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Title: BREAKING: Citing Four-Day Old Surveillance Law, Bush Seeks Dismissal of Lawsuit Challenging NSA Spying
Source: Wired
URL Source: http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/08/citing-four-day.html
Published: Aug 11, 2007
Author: By David Kravets
Post Date: 2007-08-11 08:05:59 by Zipporah
Keywords: None
Views: 171
Comments: 13

The NSA's secret room?

Four days after President Bush signed controversial legislation legalizing some warrantless surveillance of Americans, the administration is citing the law in a surprise motion today urging a federal judge to dismisss a lawsuit challenging the NSA spy program.

The lawsuit was brought by lawyers defending Guantanamo Bay prisoners. The lawyers and others alleged the threat of surveillance is chilling their First Amendment rights of speech, and their clients' right to legal representation.

Justice Department lawyers are asking (.pdf) U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker to toss the case, citing the new law -- which says warrantless surveillance can continue for up to a year so long as one person in the intercepted communications is reasonably believed to be located outside of the United States.

The motion is set to be heard in federal court in San Francisco this afternoon. THREAT LEVEL will be there.

The government said the new Protect America Act of 2007 requires the government to notify the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court "as soon as practicable" when somebody is being spied upon, but does not require its immediate authorization.

The government has maintained all along that electronic eavesdropping was legal, and said the newest legislation provides "an additional basis for dismissal."

The Center for Constitutional Rights, the plaintif in the lawsuit, is expected to argue today that the new law violates the Fourth Amendment's requirement that judges approve warrants for surveillance.

"Congress has ceded further power to an administration that has done nothing but abuse its power and betray the trust of the American people, center attorney Shayana Kadidal said. "Congress has given the president and attorney general virtually uncheckmed power to spy on international calls of Americans without any oversight or accountability from the courts."

Cindy Cohn, director of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, said the latest legislation does not apply to another eavesdropping case in which her group accuses AT&T of cooperating with the National Security Agency to make all communications on AT&T networks available to the spy agency without warrants. That case will be argued before the San Francisco-based 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on Thursday.

"This new law does not apply to this dragnet style of eavesdropping, and if it did, it's not retroactive," Cohn said.

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#1. To: Zipporah (#0)

Justice Department lawyers are asking (.pdf) U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker to toss the case, citing the new law --

Old Flatbush saying, "You aint seen nuttin yet".

Cynicom  posted on  2007-08-11   8:12:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Cynicom (#1)

it's as if we're watching a play.. which act are we in now?

Zipporah  posted on  2007-08-11   8:16:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Zipporah (#2)

it's as if we're watching a play.. which act are we in now?

Brilliant minds etc etc...

I liken it to the curtain has not gone up yet. We can hear the people on stage.

But as yet we do not see the players.

When Hillary becomes president, the curtain will go up and I fear we will NOT like the cast of characters.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-08-11   8:24:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Zipporah (#2)

it's as if we're watching a play.

It is like going to a play, where we fear we do KNOW the plot, do not know the cast of characters and we have zero knowledge of the outcome.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-08-11   8:27:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Cynicom (#3)

I rather thought that Act one of this play began in 1996..with another Clinton, I didnt much care for the cast of characters then either..Hillary was in this act too but of course at the time I didnt know I was watching the opening act ..

Bill Clinton
Monica Lewinsky
Lucianne Goldberg
Linda Tripp
Matt Drudge
"Mega"
Netanyahu
Hillary Clinton

Zipporah  posted on  2007-08-11   8:42:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Zipporah (#5)

I rather thought that Act one of this play began in 1996..with another Clinton,

You may well be correct. I will say you are paying attention to history.

If you are correct, then the final act would be when Hillary becomes Queen.

In any event, once that evil person mounts her throne there will be no doubt as to the outcome of this tragedy play.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-08-11   8:51:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Zipporah (#0)

This opens the door for the opposing side's lawyers to file a brief with the court arguing that the new law is unconstitutional, and presents Judge Walker with a situation where he does have jurisdiction to decide the constitutionality of the law.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-08-11   9:08:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: aristeides (#7)

.. excellent point.. this should be quite interesting to see if a brief is filed and see what the outcome will be.. we can only hope.

Zipporah  posted on  2007-08-11   9:16:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Zipporah (#5)

Clinton part two isn't going to be any better than clinton part one. And no better than bush parts one and two.

I'm really getting tired of being screwed.

Sodie Pop  posted on  2007-08-11   12:19:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Zipporah (#0)

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The barefoot girl from Illinois who will become our queen!

Viva La Reina!

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-08-11   13:08:00 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: HOUNDDAWG (#10)

Gack.. guess they paid the price.. so this is the reward?

Zipporah  posted on  2007-08-11   13:10:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Zipporah (#0)

and if it did, it's not retroactive," Cohn said.

Exactly right.

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Pinguinite  posted on  2007-08-11   13:17:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Zipporah (#11)

Hey, just think of Bale as the first husband, and while Madam President is working he'll be in pantries and other hiding places with young interns!

"Mah wahf doesn't understand me!'"

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-08-11   13:21:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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