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Title: Immigration Crackdown Worries Employers
Source: ABC News
URL Source: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=3468568
Published: Aug 11, 2007
Author: Juliana Barbassa
Post Date: 2007-08-11 13:10:58 by Indrid Cold
Keywords: None
Views: 199
Comments: 16

Farmers and other employers who rely heavily on immigrant labor said Friday that they could be driven out of business by the Bush administration's plans to crack down on workers whose Social Security numbers do not match their names, and businesses that hire them.

Administration officials said the stepped-up enforcement would begin in 30 days.

"Everyone's very anxious," said Paul Schlegel, director of public policy for the American Farm Bureau Federation. "We're heading into the busiest time of the year for agriculture, so you're going to see a lot of worry from farmers and employers about how you deal with this."

The industry group, which represents 75 percent of U.S. farmers, estimates at least half the nation's 1 million farm workers do not have valid Social Security numbers. Losing them would devastate the industry, particularly fruit and vegetable growers, which rely heavily on manual labor, farmers said.

Other businesses that count on large numbers of illegal workers include construction, janitorial and landscaping companies, and hotels and restaurants.

"We are concerned that the new regulations will result in employers in numerous industries having to let workers go as the economy is facing an increasingly tight labor market," said John Gay of the National Restaurant Association.

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff and Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez said they were forced to beef up enforcement of existing laws after Congress failed to pass a comprehensive immigration-reform bill.

"We're going as far as we possibly can without Congress acting," White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said.

Among other things, employers will now be required to fire employees who are unable to clear up problems with their Social Security numbers within 90 days after being notified. Employers who fail to comply could face criminal penalties.

Recognizing the crackdown could hurt some industries, particularly agriculture, Gutierrez said the Labor Department will try to make existing temporary worker programs easier to use and more efficient.

Chertoff also said he will try to use the department's regulatory authority to raise fines on employers by about 25 percent. Current fines are so modest that some companies consider them a cost of doing business, the agency said.

"It'll just shut us down," said Manuel Cunha, a citrus grower who heads the Nisei Farmers League, a farming group in California's San Joaquin Valley, the nation's most productive region for fruits and vegetables. "It'll just be over if they start coming in here and busting employers. The food chain would fall apart."

Illegal immigrants often give made-up numbers when applying for jobs, though honest mistakes such as the misspelling of a name can also cause problems. Employers say it can take weeks to clear up discrepancies.

"This the stupidest thing our government could do," Cunha said. "They're worried about terrorists, but I've never heard of a farmworker walking across the Arizona desert with a nuke strapped across his back."

Bill Hammond, a member of the Texas Employers for Immigration Reform and the Texas Association of Business, predicted the enforcement would hurt his state's agricultural, hotel and restaurant industries.

"We are deeply disappointed in the administration's decision to punish the American economy because Congress has failed to act," said Hammond, whose group is considered a Republican ally.

Business operators with large numbers of immigrant employees are wondering how to bring their work force into compliance without interrupting production.

"Employers want to obey the law," said Mike Stuart, president of the Florida Fruit and Vegetable Association, which represents more than 200 farmers. "The question is whether they have the tools to continue operation and obey the law at the same time. That's the catch-22."

Conservative groups lauded the move, saying it would be welcomed by a population tired of watching illegal immigrants and their employers go unchallenged.

"We wish they had done this earlier, but even at this late stage they have an opportunity to regain the confidence and support of the American public," said Dan Stein, president of Federation for American Immigration Reform.

But unions representing immigrant-heavy work forces reacted with anger, including the Service Employees International Union, with 1.9 million members in janitorial and security jobs, and nursing homes and home care.

Eliseo Medina, the union's executive vice president, said the Bush administration was trying to score cheap political points after failing to win support for comprehensive immigration reform.

"The proposed new regulations target people who baby-sit our children, who care for our grandparents, who pick and prepare our food," he said in a statement. "These proposals will intensify a wave of enforcement strategies that have already failed."

Associated Press writers Matt Sedensky in Miami and Suzanne Gamboa in Washington contributed to this report.


Poster Comment:

Better call the Whaaaambulance! These employers should've been following the law all along, and now that someone gives them 30 days' notice, they say they're not capable of conducting their business legally.

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#1. To: Indrid Cold (#0)

These laws were never meant to affect migrant workers, who have been picking our crops since at least the 1940s. Let's face it, you can't live year-round in, say Washington State, by picking apples for two months of the year.

I heard a wonderful report on NPR a while back, about "the social conservatives." They had a group of Bush-loving (well, loving doesn't even come close...Bush WORSHIPPING) nutcases in Florida talking about how the holy Mr. Bush has put the god back in Amerigodca or whatever, and one woman, who owns a strawberry farm in Plant City, Fl., was saying she thinks all immigrants should be shipped back to Mexico and a wall built to keep them there. Except HER immigrants, or she'd go bankrupt.

They're freaking hilarious, those social conservatives.

One way or the other, this enforcement action is going to force some sort of plan for illegals. Our economy relies on them, but they're breaking the law. Something has to give.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-08-11   13:36:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Mekons4 (#1)

"Our economy relies on them"

In what way.Thats a blanket statement that no longer hold water.

MING THE MERCILESS  posted on  2007-08-11   14:00:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: MING THE MERCILESS (#2)

Who's gonna pick the veggies and fruit? Without those industries, food prices will go through the roof, and a recession is almost certain, given that disposable income will be eaten up by food and energy. Unless you happen to know where we can find several million people willing to work in the hot sun for $3 an hour, six months a year.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-08-11   14:07:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Indrid Cold (#0)

construction,

Bullshit lies! My father was a general contractor all his life and I worked as a carpenter for him from 12 to 21. I never saw any worker who wasn't white, and they were well-paid.

There is no shortage of any Americans who will work construction. They just won't work for $8, so the extra profit can go into the constractor's pocket, while the cost of the house doesn't go down!

“When I am the weaker, I ask you for my freedom, because that is your principle; but when I am the stronger, I take away your freedom, because that is my principle.”-Louis Veuillot

YertleTurtle  posted on  2007-08-11   14:17:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Mekons4 (#3)

food prices will go through the roof

BS! Labor is the *lowest cost* component of farming. If you were to pay pickers $20 an hour it would only add 5-10c to the cost of a head of lettuce.

In the 1960s, meat packing paid $15-20 an hour and was a union job. Now it pays $8 an hour. Are you seriously trying to say that going back in time to "real wages" is a problem?

Well maybe it is given our moronic trade policies.

Apple growers and Asparagus farmers in Washington State are going under due to competition from China and South America because they are undercutting them.

...and you think a lack of slave labor is the problem? Look at the big picture instead of the micro picture.

America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.

mirage  posted on  2007-08-11   14:27:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: mirage (#5)

BS! Labor is the *lowest cost* component of farming. If you were to pay pickers $20 an hour it would only add 5-10c to the cost of a head of lettuce.

Doubtful. The rest of your post is correct, though. Our trade deals favor certain powerful interests at the expense of less powerful ones, such as farmers.

Meatpackers pay a lot more than $8 an hour. It's certainly less than it was, particularly in real dollars, and it's an industry with extremely high turnover because they've cranked up the production line to such a high speed that if you're not in perfect shape, you will not last.

It's a complex problem, but there is no way to replace migrant workers at present. There probably will never be a replacement. It's seasonal work, so it's impossible for a local to earn a living doing it, even if it paid better.

Labor is the only variable cost of production. Land, seed, irrigation, shipping and so on are all fixed costs. Every extra dime paid to workers shows up in the retail price directly. If you want to hand our agricultural industry to Mexico, China, Latin America and so on, by all means make migrant labor illegal.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-08-11   14:42:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Mekons4 (#6)

You're forgetting about fuel and equipment. A combine can cost more than a quarter-million dollars and then there is maintenance on the farm gear.

Then there is transportation costs to get the food to market as well as storage, fertilizer, etc.

There already is a method for acquiring LEGAL migrant labor. Its called the H2-A visa.

So why do you think people aren't getting those since they exist?

Probably the requirements on the employer which are as follows:

- The employer must provide free housing to all workers who are not able to return to their residences the same day
- Three meals a day to each worker or furnish free and convenient cooking and kitchen facilities for workers to prepare their own meals.
- The employer must also provide free transportation to the work site.
- In terms of insurance, workers compensation insurance will be granted where it is required by state law.

So why do you think we need slave labor when there already is a method for getting an actual visa for migrant labor?

America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.

mirage  posted on  2007-08-11   15:02:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: mirage (#7)

Equipment etc. are fixed costs. Labor is a variable.

You have a point with H2A, but I'm sure you know how abused that provision has been. Talk about slave labor. Migrant laborers have worked out arrangements with employers to return each year, and as a rule can make a living and negotiate for wages. H2A workers are essentially the property of the employer, and few ever return because working conditions are so poor and wages so low.

Our problem is not agricultural workers. Or, for that matter, dishwashers. It's illegals taking relatively decent jobs, such as janitorial, restaurant, retail and other low-skill jobs. Blanket enforcement of immigration laws is going to backfire.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-08-11   15:17:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Mekons4 (#6)

It's a complex problem, but there is no way to replace migrant workers at present

BS. In college I detasselled corn, and everyone doing it were high school and college kids.

Lots of teenage kids will pick crops. It's how they were picked before the importation of indentured servant wetbacks.

“When I am the weaker, I ask you for my freedom, because that is your principle; but when I am the stronger, I take away your freedom, because that is my principle.”-Louis Veuillot

YertleTurtle  posted on  2007-08-11   15:20:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Mekons4 (#8) (Edited)

Our problem is not agricultural workers. Or, for that matter, dishwashers. It's illegals taking relatively decent jobs, such as janitorial, restaurant, retail and other low-skill jobs. Blanket enforcement of immigration laws is going to backfire.

So, you're saying we need slave labor for all of these jobs?

That's an incredible assertion. It sounds like a Southern Plantation Owner making a pitch to retain his "peculiar institution."

By law, H2-A workers have to be paid prevailing wages. You're wanting to pay people below prevailing wages in your previous posts. That is incredible. How can anyone advocate for that?

Back between 1925 and 1965 we had practically no immigration into the United States, yet, the dishes were washed, the lawns were mowed, roads were laid, houses were built, and the fruit was picked. How is that possible? You claim that these things cannot happen without wholesale importation of slave labor.

Your whole argument makes no sense when matched against reality.

In the US today, there are a total of about 1.5 million agricultural jobs. There are somewhere between 10-20 million illegal aliens. Using the Agricultural job argument has failed you so now you're moving on to something else.

Have you considered that maybe retail in the US is completely overbuilt? There are 20 feet of retail space for each American. In Europe, its more like 1-2 feet of retail space for each European.

What will happen in a recession when consumers curtail their spending? Do you think all of these restaurant and retail jobs will stick around? What do we do with all of this unskilled labor when it is no longer needed? Hand them a welfare check and wish them well?

How about we take care of Americans first and foreigners second? Why is it that you think the American Taxpayer needs to subsidize the entire world?

One more item - every time there is an immigration raid somewhere, that shop is flooded with applicants from Americans. How is this possible if we need all of this foreign labor?

None of your arguments make any sense when matched with reality!

America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.

mirage  posted on  2007-08-11   15:30:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: mirage (#7)

So why do you think we need slave labor when there already is a method for getting an actual visa for migrant labor?

The bottom line!!!!

Greedy, cheating,and unscrupulus businessmen.

Too bad God just doesn't strike them dead.

LACUMO  posted on  2007-08-11   16:00:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Mekons4 (#3)

Three bucks an hour? More like twelve. Those guys outside the HD get anywhere from sixteen to twenty. Illegal labor is not cheap except in that those employing them get to pass off the social costs to the rest of us.

willyone  posted on  2007-08-11   16:23:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: LACUMO (#11)

Greedy, cheating,and unscrupulus businessmen.

Exactly! There was a Del Monte plant that was raided in Portland, Oregon.

The next day (no joke) the place was FLOODED with applicants from Americans - both citizens and legal residents. They had *six times* the number of applicants that they needed for the 'new openings.'

If we need all of this foreign labor, then how in blazes can situations like this even happen? Del Monte should have had NO applicants, but instead, they had an overflow of them. According to the "legalize everyone" cheerleaders, this is an impossible situation and can never happen!

Reality just doesn't meet the rhetoric and I don't understand the brain damage that hat prevents people from seeing what is right in front of their faces.

America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.

mirage  posted on  2007-08-11   16:34:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: LACUMO (#11)

Too bad God just doesn't strike them dead.

i'll add them to my wish list. :P

christine  posted on  2007-08-11   16:39:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: YertleTurtle (#4)

There is no shortage of any Americans who will work construction. They just won't work for $8, so the extra profit can go into the constractor's pocket, while the cost of the house doesn't go down!

You are 100% right and zero percent wrong, as Cenk Uygur might say.

The "Department of Defense" has never won a war. The "War Department" was undefeated.

Indrid Cold  posted on  2007-08-11   17:24:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: mirage (#10)

So, you're saying we need slave labor for all of these jobs?

That's an incredible assertion. It sounds like a Southern Plantation Owner making a pitch to retain his "peculiar institution."

By law, H2-A workers have to be paid prevailing wages. You're wanting to pay people below prevailing wages in your previous posts. That is incredible. How can anyone advocate for that?

Well said.

The "Department of Defense" has never won a war. The "War Department" was undefeated.

Indrid Cold  posted on  2007-08-11   17:33:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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