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Title: Diebold Optical-Scan System Fails in Iowa GOP Straw Poll!
Source: Brad Blog
URL Source: http://bradblog.com/
Published: Aug 12, 2007
Author: Brad Blog
Post Date: 2007-08-12 08:13:25 by Zipporah
Keywords: None
Views: 427
Comments: 34

Diebold Optical-Scan System Fails in Iowa GOP Straw Poll!
Results Delayed as Atleast 1500 Paper Ballots Re-Counted By Hand (Fortunately, There WERE Paper Ballots To Re-Count!)
Ron Paul Supporters Were Right to be Worried About Republican's Choice of Diebold to Tally Votes...

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Guest Blogged by John Gideon of http://VotersUnite.org

As we reported on July 15, Ron Paul's supporters were concerned that Diebold touch-screen voting machines were going to be used in the Iowa Republican Straw Poll. Well, it turns out the concerns about touch-screens were misplaced, as the GOP chose paper-based Diebold optical-scan machines instead. But their fears of Diebold may well have been justified as two of their op-scan systems failed and delayed the reported results.

While GOP candidate Mitt Romney may have walked away with a winning edge in the Iowa Straw Poll, Diebold was true to form as their voting system failed to count ballots correctly. As the Des Moines Register is reporting two of Diebold's optical scanners failed and 1500 paper ballots had to be manually recounted by hand...

Voting machine difficulties delayed the announcement of the vote totals. About 1,500 ballots needed to be recounted, said Mary Tiffany, a spokeswoman for Republican Party of Iowa.

Two machines caused the problem, said State Auditor David Vaudt. “What likely happened is someone submitted their ballot too quickly after the other,” he said. The ballots from those machines were hand counted, then re-fed into the system to recalculate the vote. A campaign poll-watcher said in one instance, a black box contained 500 paper ballots but the machine’s memory said it had scanned in 498.

At least there were paper ballots that could be hand counted when the machines failed. Had the Republican's used Direct Recording Electronic (DRE) voting machines --- as millions of Americans are forced to do each Election Day --- there would have been nothing to go back to when the machines failed.

UPDATE: The Atlantic is reporting the number of ballots which had to be "re-run" as 4500.

Either way, there were reportedly 14,203 total ballots cast. So going by the Des Moines Register's reported numbers, more than 10.5% of the ballots had to be recounted. If we go by The Atlantic's reported numbers, nearly 32% of the ballots in the Iowa Republican Straw Poll had to be recounted by hand.

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#3. To: Zipporah (#0)

14,000 ballots is not too many to count efficiently by hand.

Pinguinite  posted on  2007-08-12   13:22:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Pinguinite, robin (#3)

now this is interesting in regard to "paper ballots" from Brad Blog:

John,

They were not ballots, according to the puss. If a computer prints them, they are "print outs" not paper ballots.And you know that print outs are unholy.

I suggested otherwise, but I had not checked in with puss central who asked god directly I suppose, then issued this papal bull. Be sure to check and make sure anything you say about paper ballots is oked by the puss first. His paper ballot religion is the one true paper ballot religion.

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You still say that "paper ballot" in the text of HR 811 and S. 559 does not mean what it says. Consider the definition of "paper" the bills require:

`(A) DURABILITY REQUIREMENTS FOR PAPER BALLOTS - All voter-verified paper ballots required to be used under this Act (including the emergency paper ballots used under paragraph (14)) shall be marked, printed, or recorded on durable paper of archival quality capable of withstanding multiple counts and recounts without compromising the fundamental integrity of the ballots, and capable of retaining the information marked, printed, or recorded on them for the full duration of the retention and preservation period called for by title III of the Civil Rights Act of 1960 (42 U.S.C. 1974 et seq.) or under applicable State law, whichever is longer.

(See S. 559 / Holt orig). The term archival quality paper is a term of art generally used for special documents that must withstand handling over a long period of time.

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It is beyond silly to think electrons in memory (DRE) can be called archival quality paper able to endure multiply hand counts!

What this requirement in the bills does is require DRE machines to record each ballot seperately so the ballots can be hand counted repeatedly as needed.

That would be during every audit and every recount by hand. DRE electrons cannot be counted by hand and are not paper. That much is clear and you are avoiding these facts for some reason.

No, they are not ballots, nor can they be considered ballots by any stretch of the imagination.

These fancy archival-quality printouts can sit in a bin uncounted while the machines instead count electronic figments of somebody's imagjnation... maybe the voters' intentions, maybe not.

There is nothing in Holt's fiasco of a bill that requires that each DRE-produced printout be counted.

And even your eternally twisting logic must acknowledge that if it is not required to be counted... then it's not a ballot.

(ps... and that still leaves all the other different ways that the current mutation of the bill screws with our democratic processes...)

Zipporah  posted on  2007-08-12   14:35:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Zipporah (#4)

No, they are not ballots, nor can they be considered ballots by any stretch of the imagination.

"Another mysterious accident solves a Bush problem. Athan Gibbs dead, Diebold lives."

He wanted every vote to matter; Athan Gibbs, Sr. dies in crash

robin  posted on  2007-08-12   14:39:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: robin (#5)

He whom buses the most...

Incredible Romney/Huckabee/Brownback bus fleets = Low turnout

Eoghan  posted on  2007-08-12   15:50:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Eoghan, wbales, lodwick, Brian S, aristeides, Cynicom, christine, Dakmar, palo verde, Pinguinite (#9)

ping to Eoghan's video on the Romney/Huckabee/Brownback bus fleets at Ames

robin  posted on  2007-08-12   16:02:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: robin (#11)

TOO FUNNY!

Pikers.

Posts from My Man MItt:

http://www.mymanmitt.com/mitt- romney/#6292319668308582799

9 Comments:

Anyone who tries spinning that Romney's win wasn't anything short of impressive should be reminded that Mitt could have had any size victory he wanted. He deliberately scaled back the operation because he's a nice guy. Period. There's not any point in running up the score against the second tier. I do wonder about the rumors that Mitt helped Huckabee to make sure Brownback would lose. By Anonymous, at August 12, 2007 12:58 AM

mitt would have lost by 400 votes to steve forbes in 2000. ouch. By The Dude, at August 12, 2007 1:00 AM

I'm a hardcore Romney supporter, but I'm going to have to disagree with the comment above. Romney scaled back his effort somewhat to save some dough, and not to be a "nice guy". He IS a nice guy, but if he thought he could get a bunch more cost-effective votes, he would have.

With winning in politics . . . "THE BIGGER, THE BETTER" By Jeff Fuller, at August 12, 2007 1:01 AM

Dude.

1999: Apples

2007: Oranges

Someone buy the dude a clue. By Anonymous, at August 12, 2007 1:02 AM

Don't forget the 100+ degree heat index. Romney said there was about a 20- 25% "attrition rate" that was mostly due to the forecast of heat. By Jeff Fuller, at August 12, 2007 1:03 AM

Also, the 1999 GOP was JAZZED about ousting the shameless Bill Clinton. The GOP was the party of power then. Quite a different story than now, eh? By Jeff Fuller, at August 12, 2007 1:05 AM

Bigger, better, sure. But Jeff, you said it yourself that he had the largest margin of victory ever. How much bigger did it need to be, and how would it have been any better? By Anonymous, at August 12, 2007 1:08 AM

The whole 1999 argument is an interesting way to downplay the game. I’m just wondering why Rudy or McCain dropped out if Romney is similar to a Forbes with lots o cash in 1999 and ends up in second place. Why the fear? They both saw the risk and stayed away. Do we want a risk-averse President? But at least they’re in the race.

Fred lost my interest when he felt that staying off the island is the best way to not be voted off. (roflmbo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!~ me)

It’s hard for me to believe the overall drop in interest in Ames is because McCain and Rudy dropped, although that definately would have increased the numbers, but things aren’t as rosy for us Republicans as it was in 1999. Not as many independents like to stand with us today as back when Clinton was lying to all of us about a blue dress. By Anonymous, at August 12, 2007 3:20 AM

The Dud said, "mitt would have lost by 400 votes to steve forbes in 2000

Calamity  posted on  2007-08-12   16:23:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#19. To: Calamity (#12)

He deliberately scaled back the operation because he's a nice guy.

Im sorry but anyone who's a party person and is at that level cant be a nice guy.. or he has to have some not very nice guys working for him.. and I still think about the dog on top of the car for 12 hours that doesnt ring of nice guy to me..

Zipporah  posted on  2007-08-12 18:41:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Calamity (#12)

I don't like the word Chipotle.

lol. i don't either. i don't like the way they taste either. :P

christine  posted on  2007-08-12 19:23:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Calamity (#12)

Out of curiousity, could you please tell me what makes Mitt Romney qualified to be President of the United States?

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-08-12 19:25:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Calamity (#12)

I don't like the word Chipotle.

What's up with that? I grow hot peppers; I love hot peppers; I love jalapenos (especially stuffed and wrapped with bacon); but the whole idea of 'chipotle' just freaks me out. I can't even pronounce it. I have issues, I guess.

who knows what evil  posted on  2007-08-12 19:54:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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