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Title: Mideast Leaders Sit Tight, Await End Of Bush Era
Source: McClatchy Newspapers
URL Source: http://www.courant.com/news/nationw ... t0812.artaug12,0,3341479.story
Published: Aug 13, 2007
Author: McClatchy Newspapers
Post Date: 2007-08-13 12:25:38 by Brian S
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Comments: 9

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - One recent Friday morning, Dr. Eyad Sarraj, a Palestinian human rights activist, offered this assessment of what the future holds for the Gaza Strip now that the Islamist group Hamas has taken control:

"For two years, Gaza will suffer even more," said Sarraj, a British-trained psychiatrist who founded Gaza's mental health system. Then, he said, President Bush and his advisers will be gone. A new U.S. administration will talk to Hamas, and so will the Israelis.

"They'll have to," he said, "because they'll have seen that Hamas can deliver."

That calculus - that the end of the Bush administration is approaching and things will be different afterward - now underpins political thought throughout much of the Middle East. With 17 months to go in Bush's second term, political leaders in the region are anticipating his departure and preparing for change.

A series of interviews in the Middle East found a startling level of disappointment, disdain and distrust, even among people who, like Sarraj, profess to be friends of the United States or have strong ties to America.

In Cairo, Baghdad, Tel Aviv and the Gaza Strip, no one rose to the Bush administration's defense, not even those who think that a rapid U.S. withdrawal from Iraq would lead to even worse sectarian bloodletting.

Although no single set of interviews can capture the full range of Middle East views, the widespread awareness that Bush will be gone soon augurs poorly for any new administration initiatives.

That might help explain the cool reception that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Defense Secretary Robert Gates received as they crisscrossed the region recently. The results were so disappointing that a lukewarm suggestion from Saudi Arabia that it might consider attending a U.S.-sponsored Middle East meeting was hailed as a breakthrough.

Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit pointedly mentioned the administration's end as he offered to support American endeavors in Iraq "regarding the upcoming period, which is the next 17 months, the life of the administration."

"No one likes American policy," said the senior diplomat of a Cairo-based Arab organization. The diplomat, who spoke only on condition of anonymity so that he could be frank, used the term "cut and run" to describe efforts in Congress to legislate a timetable for a U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq.

He ticked off the errors he sees in U.S. policy: "Democracy is not only a glass box and a queue," he said, describing Iraq's elections. "You cannot have ministries, each with its own militia," he said, referring to the distribution of Iraq's government by sect. "You cannot have a purge of Baath party members that turns into a general punishment," he said of the initial American efforts to ban members of Saddam Hussein's political party from government jobs.

A senior Israeli official sat silently for several seconds after he was asked which negotiating approach was most likely to lead to progress in peace talks with Israel's Arab neighbors. Then he laughed and, in flawless English, suggested to a colleague that he must not have understood the question. "I don't see any promising pathway," he said. "There is a huge gap between the rhetoric and what people believe."

The Israeli government understands that to have peace with Syria "means giving back the Golan Heights," the strategic high ground that Israel seized in 1967, and "we're willing to discuss it," he said. But with Bush insisting "from the Oval Office" that the U.S. won't talk to Syria, nothing can be expected. "The Syrians really want to talk to the United States," the official said.

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#1. To: Brian S (#0)

What a bunch of pretentious nonsense. The idea of waiting out a Presidency is a fucking joke, because the next administration after Bush is going to do the same song and dance, all the while stripping more freedom away from the American People.

Dying for old bastards, and their old money, isn't my idea of freedom.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2007-08-13   12:44:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Brian S (#0)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-08-13   17:05:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: richard9151, innieway (#0)

The Israeli government understands that to have peace with Syria "means giving back the Golan Heights," the strategic high ground that Israel seized in 1967, and "we're willing to discuss it," he said. But with Bush insisting "from the Oval Office" that the U.S. won't talk to Syria, nothing can be expected. "

I had to do a little search, to determine if the Golan Heights was at the 33rd parallel [basically, it is], and includes the ancient idolatrous city of Dan. It does. I think there is a spiritual battle going on between the devil and God over this piece of territory, it is 'sacred' to the devil, and that is why they will not give it up. I remember a couple of years ago, the false prophet Benny Hinn was in Israel, and was saying something about how the rulers there were thinking about building the new temple around Dan, inside of Jerusalem. Remember the friction between the Northern kingdom of Israel and the Southern kingdom of Judah [Jerusalem]. keeping that in mind......

pic Golan Heights, Nimrod's Fortress, Banias, Dan 01 Golan Heights and Mount Hermon

"The Danites rebuilt the city and settled there. They named it Dan after their forefather Dan, who was born to Israel - though the city used to be called Laish. Judges 18:28b-29"

http://www.proverbs2525.org/photo_albums/israel/day02_slideshow.php

Tel Dan, idolatry account in 1 Kings 12.

http://www.proverbs2525.org/photo_albums/israel/day02/26%20Tel%20Dan%20-%20idolatry%20account%20in%201%20Kings%2012.jpg

The Sacred Precinct - "...Jeroboam ... established a cult at Dan as an alternative to the Temple in Jerusalem. He placed a golden calf in the city and built a house of high places... A bilingual [Greek-Aramaic] inscription found at this site attests to the sanctity of the precinct."

Tel Dan - about Jeroboam cult

http://www.proverbs2525.org/photo_albums/israel/day02/27%20Tel%20Dan%20-%20about%20Jeroboam%20cult.jpg

Tel Dan - Altar and scripture

http://www.proverbs2525.org/photo_albums/israel/day02/29%20Tel%20Dan%20-%20altar%20and%20scripture.jpg

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The Lost Tribe Of Dan - The Early Jewish and Christian View Of The AntiChrist... Located at the 33rd degree, the ancient tribe of Dan influenced the basis of modern Freemasonry. The Tribe of Dan. And of Dan he said, Dan is a lion's whelp: he shall leap from Bashan. Deuteronomy 33:22. And after a time [Samson] returned to take her, ... http://www.watch.pair.com/dan.html

".... GOLAN HEIGHTS Golan Heights (Biblical Bashan)

Also known as Batanea, Gaulanitis, Geshur, Karnaim A city of Bashan in the territory of the half-tribe of Manasseh east of the Jordan River, Golan was assigned to the Gershonite Levites and was one of three cities of refuge east of the Jordan River. It is probably the site of modern Sahem el-Jaulan, east of the Sea of Galilee (1 Chron 6:71). The area northeast of the Sea of Galilee is sometimes called the Golan Heights.

BASHAN The territory east of the Jordan River and the Sea of Galilee. At the time of the Exodus, King Og ruled Bashan. His kingdom included 60 cities (Num. 21:33; Deut. 3:4; 29:7). His capital was at Ashtaroth. When Og was defeated at Edrei (Deut. 3:1–3), the territory was given to the half-tribe of Manasseh (Deut. 3:13), except for the cities of Golan and Be Eshterah, which were given to the Levites (Josh. 21:27). In the days of Jehu, the region was captured by the Aramean king, Hazael (2 Kin. 10:32–33). A rich, fertile tableland about 490 to 700 meters (1600 to 2300 feet) above sea level, with abundant rainfall and volcanic soil, Bashan became the “breadbasket” of the region. Wheat fields and livestock were abundant. But in the Old Testament, the prosperity of Bashan became a symbol of selfish indulgence and arrogant pride. Evil persons who attacked the righteous were compared to “strong bulls of Bashan” (Ps. 22:12). The pampered, pleasure-seeking women of Samaria were called “cows of Bashan” (Amos 4:1). **** The Mount of Bashan was probably another name for Mount Hermon, situated along the northern border of Bashan (Ps. 68: ....."

Amo 4:1 ¶ Hear this word, ye kine of Bashan, that [are] in the mountain of Samaria, which oppress the poor, which crush the needy, which say to their masters, Bring, and let us drink.

Amo 4:2 The Lord GOD hath sworn by his holiness, that, lo, the days shall come upon you, that he will take you away with hooks, and your posterity with fishhooks.....

""By the ""kine of Bashan,"" some understand the proud, luxurious matrons of Israel; but it is probable the prophet speaks catachrestically, and means the wealthy, effeminate, and profligate rulers and nobles of Samaria....."

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Amo/4/1.html

Eze 38:4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts [of armour, even] a great company [with] bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:....... http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze038.html#4

Eze 38:15 And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, [ http://ohr.edu/seasons/5759/teves.htm ] thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army:

Eze 38:16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.

Eze 38:17 Thus saith the Lord GOD; [Art] thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days [many] years that I would bring thee against them?

Eze 38:18 ¶ And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, [that] my fury shall come up in my face......

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze038.html#4

Maybe the Arabs are right to sit it out:

Psa 49:11 Their inward thought [is, that] their houses [shall continue] for ever, [and] their dwelling places to all generations; they call [their] lands after their own names.

Psa 49:12 Nevertheless man [being] in honour abideth not: he is like the beasts [that] perish.

Psa 49:13 This their way [is] their folly: yet their posterity approve their sayings. Selah.

Psa 49:14 Like sheep they are laid in the grave; death shall feed on them; and the upright shall have dominion over them in the morning; and their beauty shall consume in the grave from their dwelling.......

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more dots....

".....the children of Dan went their way: and when Micah saw that they were too strong for him, he turned and went back unto his house. And they took the things which Micah had made, and the priest which he had, and came unto Laish, unto a people that were at quiet and secure: and they smote them with the edge of the sword, and burnt the city with fire. And there was no deliverer, because it was far from Zidon, and they had no business with any man; and it was in the valley that lieth by Bethrehob. And they built a city, and dwelt therein. And they called the name of the city Dan, after the name of Dan their father, who was born unto Israel: howbeit the name of the city was Laish at the first. AND THE CHILDREN OF DAN SET UP THE GRAVEN IMAGE: and Jonathan, the son of Gershom, the son of Manasseh, he and his sons were priests to the tribe of Dan until the day of the captivity of the land. AND THEY SET THEM UP MICAH'S GRAVEN IMAGE, WHICH HE HAD MADE, ALL THE TIME THAT THE HOUSE OF GOD WAS IN SHILOH."

What we see here is that the tribes of Ephraim and Dan went off into idolatry, and thus they are not listed in the Book of Revelation as tribes that are sealed. Revelation 7:2,3 stated, just before listing those that were sealed, "And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, TILL WE HAVE SEALED THE SERVANTS OF OUR GOD in their foreheads." The tribes of Ephraim and Dan had not been faithful servants of God, but servants of idols and false gods. Hosea 4:17 says, "EPHRAIM IS JOINED TO IDOLS: let him alone." [Ephraim - the British Monarchy likes to claim descent from them: http://www.asis.com/users/stag/symbols.html ].

Hosea 7:1-16 says, "When I would have healed Israel, then THE INIQUITY OF EPHRAIM WAS DISCOVERED, and the wickedness of Samaria: for they commit falsehood; and the thief cometh in, and the troop of robbers spoileth without. And they consider not in their hearts that I remember all their wickedness: now their own doings have beset them about; they are before my face. They make the king glad with their wickedness, and the princes with their lies. They are all adulterers, as an oven heated by the baker, who ceaseth from raising after he hath kneaded the dough, until it be leavened. In the day of our king the princes have made him sick with bottles of wine; he stretched out his hand with scorners. For they have made ready their heart like an oven, whiles they lie in wait: their baker sleepeth all the night; in the morning it burneth as a flaming fire. They are all hot as an oven, and have devoured their judges; all their kings are fallen: there is none among them that calleth unto me. Ephraim, he hath mixed himself among the people; Ephraim is a cake not turned. Strangers have devoured his strength, and he knoweth it not: yea, gray hairs are here and there upon him, yet he knoweth not. And the pride of Israel testifieth to his face: and THEY DO NOT RETURN TO THE LORD THEIR GOD, nor seek him for all this. Ephraim also is like a silly dove without heart: they call to Egypt, they go to Assyria. When they shall go, I will spread my net upon them; I will bring them down as the fowls of the heaven; I will chastise them, as their congregation hath heard. WOE UNTO THEM! FOR THEY HAVE FLED FROM ME: DESTRUCTION UNTO THEM! because they have transgressed against me: though I have redeemed them, yet they have spoken lies against me. And they have not cried unto me with their heart, when they howled upon their beds: they assemble themselves for corn and wine, and they rebel against me. Though I have bound and strengthened their arms, yet do they imagine mischief against me. They return, but not to the most High: they are like a deceitful bow: their princes shall fall by the sword for the rage of their tongue: this shall be their derision in the land of Egypt."

Amos 8:11-14 gives the last mention of the tribe of Dan in the Old Testament, and it also references their idolatry, "Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD: And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it. In that day shall the fair virgins and young men faint for thirst. ****THEY THAT SWEAR BY THE SIN OF SAMARIA, and say, THY god, O DAN, LIVETH; and, The manner of Beersheba liveth; EVEN THEY SHALL FALL, AND NEVER RISE UP AGAIN." They swear by the false gods and idols of the tribe of Dan, by which they had become known, and they meet with destruction."

What Happened to the Tribe of Dan [in Revelation 7]? http://www.libertygospeltracts.com/question/prequest/danmiss.htm

See also At Dan http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=58726 and The Lost Tribe of Dan http://www.watch.pair.com/dan.html

"...III. Consider the Locations

The Tribe of Dan inherited the pre-flood paganism [Baal worship] of the Canaanites [descendants of Ham and his son, Canaan] who occupied the northern area of Palestine at Mt. Hermon/Sion. Located at the 33rd degree, the ancient tribe of Dan influenced the basis of modern Freemasonry.

IV. Consider the Symbols

The symbols of the tribe of Dan are used by the Merovingians, the House of Stewart [Prince Michael] and the Judeo-Masonic authors of the Protocols of Sion [Representatives of Sion of the 33rd degree].

V. Consider the Sin

The Tribe of Dan was involved in a substitute worship system at Mt. Hermon/Sion that was both opposed to and removed from the true worship of God at Mount Zion in Jerusalem.

VI. Consider the Plan

The Judeo-Masonic conspirators have revealed to their own elect and concealed from the profane the fact that **** a Danite false messiah will reign from the territory of Mount Sion in Dan rather than Mount Zion in Jerusalem. Their ultimate objective is to recreate the pre-flood pagan culture which God once judged and will judge again.....

D. The City of Dan - Chronology and History of Baal/Pan worship

1. Laish/Leshem [Lion]

And of Dan he said, Dan is a lion's whelp: he shall leap from Bashan. Deuteronomy 33:22

And the coast of the children of Dan went out too little for them: therefore the children of Dan went up to fight against Leshem, and took it, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and possessed it, and dwelt therein, and called Leshem, Dan, after the name of Dan their father. This is the inheritance of the tribe of the children of Dan according to their families, these cities with their villages. Joshua 19:47-48

And they called the name of the city Dan, after the name of Dan their father, who was born unto Israel: howbeit the name of the city was Laish at the first. Judges 18:29

"It was first a Canaanite sanctuary for the worship of Baal; perhaps Baal-Hermon (Judg.3:3; I Chron. 5:23]. It was called by the Greeks Paneas because of its cavern. . .dedicated to the worship of the god Pan." [Unger, p. 191]......"

E. Mount Hermon

And the Amorites forced the children of Dan into the mountain: for they would not suffer them to come down to the valley. Judges 1:34

1. The name "Hermon" [Since Hermon represents Ham, then Pan represents his son, Canaan]

"Hermon means (Forbidden [Place])." [Encyclopedia Britannica, 15th Ed., 1987, "Hermon, Mount" p. 876]

"The interpretation of Hermon is 'anathema'. . ." [Jerome, "Homily 66," p. 70]

". . .Hermes[']. . .name is Greek. The later Greek-speaking peoples did not know the name that the pre-Hellenic inhabitants had given to the god of these stone heaps; and the name. . .was doubtless withheld from them. Therefore, they could only refer to him as 'Hermes' from their word for 'stone heap'. In the Laconian dialect. . .he was known as 'Herman', He of the stone heap. . ." [Cavendish, p. 1289]

"On one of its three secondary peaks, there are ruins of a circular wall within which lies a heap of hewn stone, said to be remnants of a Syrian altar, possibly in honor of Baal." (cf. Jgs.3.3; I Chr.5.23)" [New Catholic Encyclopedia, "Hermon, Mount", p. 1078]

". . .Thoth-Hermes. . .was the biblical Ham. . .deriving from the word Herma which relates to the 'pile of stones'." [Gardiner, Genesis of the Grail Kings, p. 219]

"The Greeks called him [Mercury] Hermes. . .Pan, the god of shepherds was the son of Mercury." [Burns, pp. 146-7]

2. Pre-Flood Mount Hermon

And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. Genesis 6:1,2

". . .legends anterior to Gnosticism. . .attributed a sacred character to Mount Hermon, the supposed residence of the children of Seth at the beginning of human existence." [Doresse, p. 255]

"The Valentinians . . .regarded Seth['s]. . .sons. . .to be the 'Sons of God,' who, upon Mount Hermon, led a pious and secluded life cherishing the nostalgia for paradise." [Doresse, p. 39, note 97]

"Hittite and biblical records support the use of Hermon as a dwelling place of gods. . Ritual centers were located at the foot of Hermon: Baal-gad. . . ***** in the valley of Lebanon under Mount Hermon (Josh.11:17) and Baal-hermon (I Chr. 5:23)." [Freedman, "Hermon, Mount, p. 158]

"We have read in a certain apocryphal book [Enoch 6:5-8] that when the sons of God were coming down to the daughters of men, they descended upon Mount Hermon. . ." [Jerome, Homilly 45, p. 338]

"And the angels, the children of heaven, saw them and desired them [handsome and beautiful daughters]. . . and they descended into Ardos which is the summit of Hermon." [I Enoch 6:1-5, Charlesworth, Vol. I, p. 15]

3. Post-Flood Mount Hermon

"From ancient times the mountain was a place of worship, where the god H.[ermon] (perhaps called Baal-Hermon) was venerated." [Encyclopedic Dictionary of the Bible, "Hermon," p. 987]

"More than twenty temples have been surveyed on Mount Hermon and its environs. This is an unprecedented number in comparison with other regions of the Phoenician coast." [Freedman, "Hermon, Mount," p.159]....."

The Lost Tribe of Dan

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according to the following author:

"Wednesday, January 10, 2007

Journey to Mt. Hermon

Copyright Behzad Sarmast 2007

It is perhaps the most cosmically significant spot in the universe of Nebadon, and it happens to be right here on earth. It’s the place where the creator of our universe won his last and greatest title, gaining total and unquestioned sovereignty over the welfare and destiny of ten million worlds. It is perhaps one of the greatest moments in the life of a Creator Son and of course, is of tremendous importance and sentimental value to his countless creatures throughout his vast domain. It will be held as sacred ground for all eternity.

Mt. Hermon is not only one of the hottest places in our universe but also one of the hottest places on earth. Unfortunately, however, it’s for all the wrong reasons.

In November of 2007 I began researching more intensively in order to find the exact area Jesus spent those six crucial weeks of his life. He was there several times but the “temptation” took place during those six weeks he spent “alone with God” atop Mt. Hermon. Later on he again visited the same area with his apostles, after making camp at Beit Jenn.....

we traveled on the very roads that Jesus and the apostles did back in the day. It was the Damascus Road, where Saul received his blinding vision. In time Mt. Hermon came into view and my imagination ran wild with all the events that have transpired in this, one of the most sacred spots on earth. Mt. Hermon is very dry now but it used to be much greener, and Jesus’ travels in August would have meant an idyllic and quiet time atop a grand mountain, from where he would have seen much of the surrounding lands where his destiny would soon play out.

The taxi driver had some crosses on his rear-view mirror but like almost everyone else in Syria, knew hardly a word of English. I somehow made it clear to him that I wanted to go to Beit Jenn because Jesus had once been there, but I’m not sure if he believed it. It was clear that he was a bit excited though since this was not an ordinary place for him to go and spend half his day. He asked me if I like Arabic music and played his radio loud while we got ever closer to the mountain. Google Earth had given me the ability to recognize every part of Mt. Hermon now that I was there in person.............

One of the most amazing things about this research was the realization that the area where Jesus spent those six historic weeks rest within a ceasefire zone between Syria and Israel. The southern part of Mt. Hermon is Israeli territory, while the Beit Jenn area is Syrian land. The ceasefire area is a no-man’s-land covering several miles. The fact that the hottest place on earth as well as Nebadon is a place where no man can go is mind-boggling to me. Is it coincidence? Who knows? I went as far as possible with the taxi, meandering through the valleys and dirt roads before we were finally stopped at a military check point and informed that we could go no further.

We turned around and I asked the driver to stop and rest while I began to hike up the mountain with my camera, going as high as I could without being spotted by the UN observatory atop Hermon. I couldn’t really be sure exactly where the transfiguration had taken place, or where Michael had met his foes, but six weeks is a long time and knowing Jesus, he would have walked all over the area. Certainly the road from Beit Jenn up towards the heights was the same as the one that existed in Jesus’ day, and there was no doubt that Jesus and Taglith, as well as the apostles, had moved precisely along the same path. In the next world I hope to know just how close I was.

Raising Michael’s flag was a momentous occasion for me, one which I will treasure forever in my heart as I remember the day I climbed the mountain where our Creator Son completed his seventh and last incarnation, winning total authority over his universe.......

Urantia Book Commentary and Articles

http://www.truthbook.com/urantia_book_commentary/2007/01/journey-to-mt-hermon.html

So Jesus beat the devil on his own turf. Remember what Benny Hinn said about them wanting to rebuild the temple there. And God said:

NIV - Psa 68:16 -

Why gaze in envy, O rugged mountains,

at the mountain where God chooses to reign,

where the Lord himself will dwell forever?

New International Version © 1973, 1978, 1984 International Bible Society

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Psa/Psa068.html#16 . Hit "V" for "versions".

I chose this version over the King James which says:

Psa 68:16 Why leap ye, ye high hills? [this is] the hill [which] God desireth to dwell in; yea, the LORD will dwell [in it] for ever.

I believe it is totally [and deliberately] mistranslated. "Leap" is not close to "envy" which is the correct word, and [this is] could, and I believe, should be translated "THAT is", because God will reign in the NEW Jerusalem, which I believe is America [which is why they'd like to destroy us, and which would explain why Hagee et al are trying to create Armageddon in that other Jerusalem, and it might also explain why they are pushing to get Hillary elected: so she can portray the "Woman/Whore of Babylon" who rode the Beast/CorpUSA], after he plucks up all those things in His Kingdom which offend.

Do you see why the King of the Danites won't give this up? They have worked thousands of years for this moment. The Judeo-"British-Israel" conspiracy, is too strong. See Psalm 2. See verse 12. Since Bush has made it illegal for us to be peacemakers, it almost sounds like God is going to finish this battle.

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....because God will reign in the NEW Jerusalem, which I believe is America [which is why they'd like to destroy us], after he plucks up all those things in His Kingdom which offend.....

I just remembered something else....

"....Many countries, including the United States have already fallen for our scheming. But the Christian Church is still alive . . . We must destroy it without the least delay and without the slightest mercy. Most of the Press in the world is under our Control; let us therefore encourage in a still more violent way the hatred of the world against the Christian Church. Let us intensify our activities in poisoning the morality of the Gentiles. Let us spread the spirit of revolution in the minds of the people. They must be made to despise Patriotism and the love of their family, to consider their faith as a humbug, their obedience to their Christ as a degrading servility, so that they become deaf to the appeal of the Church and **** blind to her warnings against us. Let us, above all, make it impossible for Christians to be reunited, or for non-Christians to join the Church; otherwise the greatest obstruction to our domination will be strengthened and all our work undone. Our plot will be unveiled, the Gentiles will turn against us, in the spirit of revenge, and our domination over them will never be realized. Let us remember that as long as there still remain active enemies of the Christian Church, we may hope to become Master of the World . . . And let us remember always that ****the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown . . . " (London Catholic Gazette, February, 1936; and in Paris Le Reveil du Peuple). luther.htm"

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm

Well, God said all the hidden things of darkness would be revealed....cat's out of the bag. Somewhere in their little black hearts, I think they must have figured out long ago that America was the New Jerusalem, the promised land for Christians, and that is why they have been fighting against us for 400 years.

As the Bible says, Why do the heathen rage [conspire]....I have set my King on my holy hil[l of Zion.....and the gates of hell shall not prevail against my Church [House of the Lord - Micah 4:1]

1Ch 28:6 — And he said unto me, Solomon thy son, he shall build my house and my courts: for I have chosen him [to be] my son, and I will be his father.

He said He would choose their delusions....He was talking about a spiritual house, and He was talking about the one whose name is syonymous with Solomon, the Prince of PEACE:

1Ch 22:9 Behold, a son shall be born to thee, who shall be a man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies round about: for his name shall be Solomon, and I will give peace and quietness unto Israel in his days.

1Ch 22:10 He shall build an house for my name; and he shall be my son, and I [will be] his father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel for ever.....

"...Solomon that is, Peaceable...." http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/1Ch/22/9.html

get that...I will establish the throne of His kingdom over ISRAEL for ever....ISRAEL, where they planted the cross in 1607, and dedicated the country to Jesus Christ and the spreading of the Gospel. Where God would join the two sticks of Ezekiel 37 in His hand, and Ephraim would not envy Judah, and Judah would not envy Ephraim, and where He would also be a light to the Gentiles. Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Sorry to go on so long.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-08-13   18:33:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: richard9151, innieway (#3)

I remember a couple of years ago, the false prophet Benny Hinn was in Israel, and was saying something about how the rulers there were thinking about building the new temple around Dan, inside of Jerusalem

sorry...that should read ....INSTEAD of Jerusalem.

i'm half blind:)

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-08-13   18:37:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#4)

you have an edit function to fix typos. look under each of your replies. ;)

christine  posted on  2007-08-13   18:43:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: christine (#5)

oh, so THAT's how that works! thanks!

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-08-13   18:50:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#3)

it almost sounds like God is going to finish this battle.

According to Revelation that is EXACTLY what will happen, and at this point, I don't see any other way.

The WORLD (not just Amerika) is in for a BIG shock - something on the magnitude of Biblical proportions unlike ANYTHING ever seen before in history - and quite frankly, many will not survive it...

99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name.
Steven Wright

innieway  posted on  2007-08-14   9:59:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: innieway (#7)

it almost sounds like God is going to finish this battle.

According to Revelation that is EXACTLY what will happen, and at this point, I don't see any other way.

The WORLD (not just Amerika) is in for a BIG shock - something on the magnitude of Biblical proportions unlike ANYTHING ever seen before in history - and quite frankly, many will not survive it...

I think I agree with you. I was reading Ezekiel 38-39 again last night, and while I have hoped these people could be "devoured" by the fire of His word, it really looks like it is going to be much more physical than that...so that the "heathen shall know Him" [ http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze038.html#16 ] and that the Synagogue of Satan would know that He loved us, ALL of us, from the prophets and the FAITHFUL of the Old Testament, to the disciples, on down to us: http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Rev/Rev003.html#9

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-08-16   13:06:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#8)

it really looks like it is going to be much more physical than that...so that the "heathen shall know Him"

Indeed it does.

Brings a couple of the Messiah's warnings to mind:
Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few [are] chosen.

There is no doubt that many are inclined to "believe in God" (be called), yet the Messiah tells us that among those, few are CHOSEN. Why is this? Perhaps He told us:
Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Matthew 7:2 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

We need to remember that the Messiah is part of the Holy Trinity - in other words is God Himself... And He said (in Hebrews 13:8) that He doesn't ever change When He set out the Law (His will) for us, He meant it...

That's why I maintain that most "believers" are following some other God than the One spoken of in Scripture. If other gods didn't exist, there would have been no need for the First Commandment.

99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name.
Steven Wright

innieway  posted on  2007-08-18   10:09:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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