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Title: Ron Paul May be Only Hope of Avoiding Draft
Source: Christopher Costigan's website
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Published: Aug 12, 2007
Author: Jennifer Reynolds
Post Date: 2007-08-13 22:42:28 by scrapper2
Keywords: draft, Ron Paul
Views: 1550
Comments: 93

Special contributor Jennifer Reynolds suggests that 2008 US Presidential candidate Ron Paul may be the only hope of avoiding a draft. The subject of a draft came into play this week.

A top U.S. military officer in charge of co-ordinating the U.S. war effort in Iraq said yesterday that it makes sense to consider a return of the draft to meet the U.S. military's needs. Lieutenant-General Douglas Lute, said the all-volunteer military is serving "exceedingly well" and the administration has not decided a draft is needed.

But in an interview with National Public Radio, he said, "I think it makes sense to certainly consider it, and I can tell you, this has always been an option on the table."

Does that sound scary? Do you think it is an over reaction?

General Lute, the new War Czar, announced today, August 10, 2007:

"Frequent tours for U.S. forces in Iraq and Afghanistan have stressed the all-volunteer force and made it worth considering a return to a military draft, President Bush's new war adviser said Friday."I think it makes sense to certainly consider it," Army Lt. Gen. Douglas Lute said in an interview with National Public Radio's "All Things Considered."

Ron Paul warned us all of this possibility back in November but it never made the headlines. In fact, I am sure most of you never even knew he said it. Once again, Ron Paul has proved to be the most prescient candidate running for President. More importantly, he wants to protect your children and if you are under thirty: he wants to protect your LIFE. Here is what Dr. Paul wrote on November 27, 2006:

"Once again the possibility of reinstating a military draft is being discussed in Washington, and while the idea seems remote it is not unthinkable. Democratic Congressman Charles Rangel of New York, soon to be a powerful committee chair, has openly called for reinstating the Selective Service System. Retired Army General Barry McCaffrey claims that our ground forces in both Afghanistan and Iraq are stretched far too thin, and desperately need reinforcements. Meanwhile, other political and military leaders suggest that several hundred thousand additional troops might be needed simply to restore some semblance of order in Iraq. We are nearing the point where a choice will have to be made: either decrease our troop commitments in Iraq and Afghanistan significantly, or produce thousands of new military recruits quickly. So a discussion of military conscription is not purely academic.

Yet the Department of Defense remains steadfastly opposed to a draft. A Pentagon report stated that draft registration could be eliminated "with no effect on military mobilization and no measurable effect on military recruitment." Most military experts believe a draft would actually impair military readiness, despite the increase in raw manpower, because of training and morale problems.

So why is the idea of a draft even considered? One answer is that our military forces are spread far too thin, engaged in conflicts around the globe that are none of our business. With hundreds of thousands of troops stationed in literally hundreds of foreign nations, we simply don't have enough soldiers to invade and occupy every country labeled a threat or deemed ripe for regime change. Given the choice, many in Congress would rather draft more young bodies than rethink our role as world policeman and bring some of our troops home.

Military needs aside, some politicians simply love the thought of mandatory service to the federal government. The political right favors sending young people to fight in aggressive wars like Iraq. The political left longs to send young people into harm's way to save the world in places like Darfur. But both sides share the same belief that citizens should serve the needs of the state-- a belief our founders clearly rejected in the Declaration of Independence.

To many politicians, the American government is America. This is why, on a crude level, the draft appeals to patriotic fervor. Compulsory national service, whether in the form of military conscription or make-work programs like AmeriCorps, still sells on Capitol Hill. Conscription is wrongly associated with patriotism, when really it represents collectivism and involuntary servitude.

I believe wholeheartedly that an all-volunteer military is not only sufficient for national defense, but also preferable. It is time to abolish the Selective Service System and resign military conscription to the dustbin of American history. Five hundred million dollars have been wasted on Selective Service since 1979, money that could have been returned to taxpayers or spent to improve the lives of our nation's veterans.

Ronald Reagan said it best: "The most fundamental objection to draft registration is moral." The notion of involuntary servitude, in whatever form, is simply incompatible with a free society."

To the students reading this out there: If you are old enough to vote, vote for Ron Paul. To the parents of children under 30, beat your kids to the polls!!! To the rest of the country: WAKE UP!!!!!! Politics may be boring but it is VITAL that you know what is going on. I just barely caught this message from Douglas Lute on a ten second mention on a major news network. Your very lives are now at stake.

This is no longer a time in history that you can stay asleep and let others dictate who will be your choice for President. You must pay attention now. Learn about Ron Paul. He has been warning all of you about this for almost a year. Ron Paul is and has always been AGAINST THE DRAFT. Please go to that link. Read the articles.

Ron Paul will protect your children and if you are of draft age, he will protect you too. It is just too bad that 16 year olds cannot vote, because this is the most important Presidential election in their lives as well. Keep in mind, women serve in the military too. It is very possible a draft would include women as well as men. Or should I say girls as well as boys. At 18, you should be worrying about what to wear to the prom, not whether you will be taken against your will and put in a country where people are shooting at you.

Ok, so the draft is bad, but why should I support Ron Paul? Because he has written article upon article against the draft and wrote that we need to abolish the Selective Service Service. You can trust that people will behave in the future the way they have behaved in the past.

On a positive note, Ron Paul strongly exceeded expectations this weekend in the non-binding Iowa Straw Poll. Mitt Romney was the expected winner due to the fact that he literally bussed Iowans to Ames from all over the state and paid the purchase price for every single supporter. Tickets cost $35 each. Romney had also spent nearly a month canvassing the state and so it was no surprise that he won. But Ron Paul proved to his critics that he could turn Internet support into real votes. The mainstream media had him polling around one or two percent, so imagine everyone's surprise when Ron Paul tripled that figure and took 9% of the votes. Dr. Paul had only been campaigning in Iowa for the past week due to his heavy schedule in Congress.

In a surprising twist of events, Ron Paul supporters proved to be a little prescient too. The day before the Straw Poll they sought an injunction to stop the event over the use of Diebold Election Systems machines that the group claimed to have fundamental weaknesses and insisted that paper backup ballots be used as well. The injunction was not granted, but it is a good thing they had the back-up ballots because a few of the machines did fail and the paper ballots had to counted by hand delaying the results for hours. It proves, it is always prudent to stay vigilant over the democratic process.

Back to the real issue at hand. It is great that Ron Paul did so well in the Straw Poll, but our very lives are on the line. This weekend I could find five newscasters who talked about a story about a baby pig who fell out of truck onto the highway, but the fact that the draft is being reconsidered deserved only a ten second mention. Has the world gone insane? Now, more than ever, Ron Paul's supporters are needed not just to get their man elected, but to protect us all from conscription. The good news is they just may be able to do it. I checked a month or two ago and Ron Paul had around 16,000 members in http://Meetup.com a site that gets people together of like interests to promote or discuss a cause. As of right now he has 32,632 members in 698 groups. I am sure that number will change by the time you click on it.

If we continue this war we will need more troops and they will need to be drafted. Ron Paul is the only Republican who has promised to end this war now. And unlike many leading Democrats, Ron Paul will end it now and not leave a soldier behind.


Poster Comment:

And in other news today, the Pentagon announced that there was no consideration - none, nada, zero - of a draft and that War Czar Lute's ill considered remarks on NPR were an example of an old geezer talking through his hat and letting the cat out of the bag...

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#1. To: scrapper2 (#0)

If we continue this war we will need more troops and they will need to be drafted. Ron Paul is the only Republican who has promised to end this war now. And unlike many leading Democrats, Ron Paul will end it now and not leave a soldier behind.

Young Americans have a choice, Ron Paul or the draft.

If I were 26 and under, I would support Paul NOW.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-08-13   22:50:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: scrapper2 (#1)

If we continue this war we will need more troops and they will need to be drafted. Ron Paul is the only Republican who has promised to end this war now. And unlike many leading Democrats, Ron Paul will end it now and not leave a soldier behind.

Absolutely!
very important article you posted, Scrapper
thank you
Love, Palo

palo verde  posted on  2007-08-14   1:14:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: scrapper2 (#0)

Ron Paul warned us all of this possibility back in November but it never made the headlines.

It didn't make headlines because it wasn't news just like all of the other "warnings" of a new draft.

The doom & gloom crowd who have been predicting a draft for several years now have been and will likely continue to be WRONG.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-14   9:28:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Mister Clean (#3)

"They" don't need a draft, although it would be more cost-effective for us beleaguered taxpayers. There are already at least 200,000 mercenaries in Iraq and "they" will just hire more.

It may take a million to pacify the place enough to be able to steal the oil, but "they" will keep trying and the taxpayers will continue to be bled dry, along with the devaluation of the currency as more and more of this has to be borrowed from abroad.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2007-08-14   9:37:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Mister Clean (#3)

The doom & gloom crowd who have been predicting a draft for several years now have been and will likely continue to be WRONG.

Subscribing a draft to the doom and gloom crowd is rather disingenuous.

People having at least a basic understanding of history know full well that the major wars this country has been involved in have ALL been manned by draftees. These people are called realists.

Pessimism on any and all subjects is a disease of the mind.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-08-14   9:38:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Sam Houston (#4)

"They" don't need a draft, although it would be more cost-effective for us beleaguered taxpayers. There are already at least 200,000 mercenaries in Iraq and "they" will just hire more.

That is an excellent point.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-14   9:38:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Cynicom (#5)

People having at least a basic understanding of history know full well that the major wars this country has been involved in have ALL been manned by draftees.

Not this one.

As Sam Houston pointed out, this one involves a large number of mercs.

Why would the government force military service when they can just outsource it to private companies?

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-14   9:40:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Cynicom (#1)

Young Americans have a choice, Ron Paul or the draft.

No, they have another choice: refuse. It amazes me that people think they need permission to refuse.

RidinShotgun  posted on  2007-08-14   9:42:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Mister Clean (#7)

Not this one.

Note the word "major".

"the major wars this country has been involved in"

Realists also believe that there will be another MAJOR war. That also does not make them gloom and doomers.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-08-14   9:47:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: RidinShotgun (#8)

No, they have another choice: refuse.

Does that mean that Hillary is acceptable and that when she applies a draft a person could refuse???

Cynicom  posted on  2007-08-14   9:48:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Cynicom (#9)

Realists also believe that there will be another MAJOR war. That also does not make them gloom and doomers.

War with whom?

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-14   9:50:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Cynicom (#10)

Does that mean that Hillary is acceptable and that when she applies a draft a person could refuse???

Where did you get that idea from by my post? IMO, NO one is acceptable or omnipotent when it comes to determining who the enemy is or what is worth dying and killing for. One can refuse to participate regardless of who occupies an office in DC. Period.

RidinShotgun  posted on  2007-08-14   9:54:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Mister Clean (#11)

War with whom?

Surely you take time out from 4um to apprise yourself of daily events?

Disinterest in history is one thing but ignorance of current events is another.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-08-14   9:55:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Cynicom (#13)

Surely you take time out from 4um to apprise yourself of daily events?

I am asking YOU to tell me who YOU think the US will have a "major" war with.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-14   9:56:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: RidinShotgun (#12)

Where did you get that idea from by my post? IMO, NO one is acceptable or omnipotent when it comes to determining who the enemy is or what is worth dying and killing for. One can refuse to participate regardless of who occupies an office in DC.

Fair enoughh.

Explain to us just what you would do when three armed law people came to your door to get you.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-08-14   9:57:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Mister Clean (#14)

Surely you take time out from 4um to apprise yourself of daily events?

That would be an attempt of futility, to waste time discussing future events with someone that has ignored history and has not a clue on current events.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-08-14   9:59:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Mister Clean (#3)

"Once again the possibility of reinstating a military draft is being discussed in Washington,

The doom & gloom crowd who have been predicting a draft for several years now

uh....i guess your "doom and gloom crowd" just hallucinates this stuff, huh?

christine  posted on  2007-08-14   10:01:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Cynicom (#15)

Explain to us just what you would do when three armed law people came to your door to get you.

I'm not sure if your current question has anything to do with my answer to the previous question. Are you suggesting the military will send out three armed law officers to arrest each young person who refuses to be drafted? If no one answers their call, where will they get those three armed law officers per refusee?

RidinShotgun  posted on  2007-08-14   10:02:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Cynicom (#16)

That would be an attempt of futility, to waste time discussing future events with someone that has ignored history and has not a clue on current events.

That's pretty lame but not surprising.

Here's the real deal... the US is a superpower in decline and couldn't handle a "major" war now which is why you only see the US engage in wars against very weak nations.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-14   10:03:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: christine (#17)

uh....i guess your "doom and gloom crowd" just hallucinates this stuff, huh?

Congress tried to re-instate the draft through a bill from Charlie Rangel and the bill went down in flames and the Pentagon has come out against a new draft in the wake of Lute's comments.

Get back to me when some real action takes place, Lute's comments don't mean anything.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-14   10:06:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Mister Clean (#19)

Here's the real deal... the US is a superpower in decline and couldn't handle a "major" war now which is why you only see the US engage in wars against very weak nations.

Hurray for you. For once you offer something. You do have a working, thinking brain.

To be fair with us, and really open up, describe for us what you see on the horizon for this country as to world military affairs.

I promise not to judge but rather to discuss.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-08-14   10:07:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Cynicom (#21)

To be fair with us, and really open up, describe for us what you see on the horizon for this country as to world military affairs.

Pretty much the same crap we've been seeing in the past few decades.

Military intervention in 3rd world shitholes. No draft but increasing reliance on private contractors. Declining influence everywhere.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-14   10:13:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Mister Clean, christine (#20)

Get back to me when some real action takes place, Lute's comments don't mean anything.

Quick with a quip and not one minute to spend assessing WHY Lute made national headlines with his statement.

ALL of MSM found his words to have significance, but Mister Clean dismisses them out of hand. Most of us here on the forum find that rather odd.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-08-14   10:18:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Mister Clean (#19)

the US is a superpower in decline and couldn't handle a "major" war now which is why you only see the US engage in wars against very weak nations.

But we DO have a lot of nukes...

Lets hope some "trigger happy" maniac in the oval office (either present or future) isn't foolish enough to go there. Right now I'm not so sure.

99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name.
Steven Wright

innieway  posted on  2007-08-14   10:19:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Mister Clean (#22)

Military intervention in 3rd world shitholes. No draft but increasing reliance on private contractors. Declining influence everywhere.

Do you see oil as being a major world problem, even perhaps igniting a major conflagration?

Cynicom  posted on  2007-08-14   10:21:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: christine (#17)

"doom and gloom crowd"

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Esso  posted on  2007-08-14   10:23:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Cynicom (#23)

ALL of MSM found his words to have significance

Yep, and we all know the MSM is the propaganda tool of TheStateInc...

OF COURSE pentagon "officials" are going to deny it - they don't want Joe Six Pack to wake up until it's too late (if even then).

99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name.
Steven Wright

innieway  posted on  2007-08-14   10:25:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Esso (#26)

hahahahahahahahaha

christine  posted on  2007-08-14   10:27:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Cynicom (#23)

Quick with a quip and not one minute to spend assessing WHY Lute made national headlines with his statement.

Get back to me when something actually happens besides talk.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-14   10:30:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: innieway (#24)

Lets hope some "trigger happy" maniac in the oval office (either present or future) isn't foolish enough to go there. Right now I'm not so sure.

The use of nukes by the US would be suicide therefore I'm reasonably sure that the US won't ever use nukes.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-14   10:31:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Cynicom (#25)

Do you see oil as being a major world problem, even perhaps igniting a major conflagration?

Nope.

But I ask you again, a "major conflagration" between whom?

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-14   10:32:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Cynicom (#25)

Do you see oil as being a major world problem

But that's what we need ethanol for - to reduce our dependence on OIL... Why, we can convert our grain supply to FUEL...

And that ludicrous policy is showing results already on the grocery store shelves.

Do you reckon the minimum wage hike is gonna enable Joe Six Pack and Sally Housewife to buy $22 T-bone steaks and $8/gal milk? HAHAHAHAHA

99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name.
Steven Wright

innieway  posted on  2007-08-14   10:35:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Mister Clean (#30)

The use of nukes by the US would be suicide

It certainly would. But it's not exactly like we have someone "sane" sitting over "the button" right now.

99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name.
Steven Wright

innieway  posted on  2007-08-14   10:38:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: innieway (#33)

Every article I've read about Cheney and nukes, ends with someone who knows him being quoted as saying Cheney is capable of using nukes. It doesn't have to be "the button", there are smaller nukes.

Ron Paul for President

robin  posted on  2007-08-14   10:41:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: innieway (#27) (Edited)

Yep, and we all know the MSM is the propaganda tool of TheStateInc...

Would it be a safe bet that Lute was SENT with that message or should we accept he was winging it all on his own on with what is major domestic policy?

Cynicom  posted on  2007-08-14   10:43:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Cynicom, Jethro Tull, christine, Zipporah, lodwick (#1)

26 is too low I'm sure

The Travel ping list I started was actually intended for 4um members who are or who know someone who is draft age; to begin scouting around for a place of refuge. Something to think about.

Ron Paul for President

robin  posted on  2007-08-14   10:44:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Cynicom (#1)

Young Americans have a choice, Ron Paul or the draft.

And so do their parents and grandparents.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-08-14   10:46:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Mister Clean (#20)

Congress tried to re-instate the draft through a bill from Charlie Rangel

That was a political stunt on Rangel's part that was meant to make a point: how the burden of the war was only borne by segments of our population.

The bill was going nowhere. Rangel knew very well it was going nowhere. And it's disingenuous to say that "Congress" did it.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-08-14   10:49:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: robin. potential draftees (#36)

The best advice I've seen, if all else fails, is to simply refuse to step forward and take the oath. Do not volunteer yourself for involuntary servitude.

Join the Ron Paul Revolution

Lod  posted on  2007-08-14   10:50:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: aristeides (#38)

The bill was going nowhere.

And a future bill to reinstate the draft will also go nowhere.

There is no political will for a draft and no public support for a draft.

It's a non-issue.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-14   10:53:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Mister Clean (#30)

The use of nukes by the US would be suicide therefore I'm reasonably sure that the US won't ever use nukes.

You appear to be assuming that Bush and Cheney are sane and rational.

Perhaps the initial decision to invade Iraq was within the bounds of rationality, but the stubborn refusal to change policies over the next three and a half years, when it was manifest to any rational person that the policies were failing, can't be called exactly rational.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

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