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Title: Chris Matthews did a segment today about bringing back the draft!
Source: Hardball Chris Matthews Show
URL Source: http://MSNBC
Published: Aug 14, 2007
Author: Chris Matthews
Post Date: 2007-08-14 20:02:19 by scrapper2
Keywords: draft, mainstream media discussion, Hardball
Views: 525
Comments: 16

I only caught a tale end of a discussion Chris Matthews had on his show today regarding re-instating the draft. He had 2 Iraq War vets debate the topic. Did anyone catch the show today?

I think this is rather significant that a MSM show like Hardball is bringing the topic to light. It could also be that Matthews has some vested interest in the subject matter - 2 draft age sons.

Here are some comments on Chris Matthews website - as one might expect the pro draft posters are either women yacking about universal service ( as though their generation ever had that onus) or Vietnam War vets who want others to suffer the same loss of rights and limbs and opportunities that they themselves had suffered.

http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/08/13/315342.aspx#comments

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Keith Olbermann also covered the subject of the draft today. Keith's coverage was better - news clips from the Vietnam era etc. He also interviewed a pretty articulate war vet who annihilated the idea of using conscription for elective wars like Iraq, said draft should only be used for a catastrophic attack on the USA by another nation or if China attacked Taiwan (like who cares about Taiwan?).

So now Lute's trial balloon is getting discussed beyond NPR - I hope our politicians are getting not stop phone calls from parents and draft age college kids.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-08-14   21:29:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

said draft should only be used for a catastrophic attack on the USA

And by the way- a draft under any circumstance is slavery. A nation worth defending doesn't need to draft anyone in case of catastrophic attack. Volunteers should be lining up to defend the country - for free. Necessary just wars of defense don't need drafts.

(and they don't need billion dollar ridiculous over the top recruitment ad campaigns either- like showing a knight on horse back in his shining armor wielding his sword against a dragon- then morphed into a marine in parade uniform as just one moron example among many.)

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-08-14   21:54:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

And by the way- a draft under any circumstance is slavery.

There is no way around that one Burki.

But "They hate us cause we're FREE."

tom007  posted on  2007-08-14   22:00:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

It's interesting to note that a large percentage of German's leaving their country from the 1700's up until World War One did so for one reason- the draft. They were fleeing the ever present militarism of their Prussian overlords that would draft men (depending on the era) for 10 to 25 years. Often- a village would hold a "pre-emptive" funeral for a man drafted- as he most likely wouldn't return- nor his body. A plot would be dug and a casket lowered with some of his personal items and a marker placed- and a party to see him off after.

In fact, many immigrants to this country came to escape the nationalistic militarism that was overtaking all of Europe especially after the 1848 "revolutions". They came to America- the one Western civilized country (save for Switzerland)- that had a tiny military and no draft and whose population had a healthy hatred for standing armies and viewed military "service" as a career for dolts and losers. The Businessman was the "hero" Americans looked to for inspiration- not the soldier.

Now? 2007? Americans love their standing military more than anything. It is the most respected institution in the country. Indeed- it is literally above criticism. I view this as a clear sign of a culture and country on a downward slope. It indicates a slave mentality and a lack of confidence in ourselves.

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-08-14   22:22:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Indeed- it is literally above criticism. I view this as a clear sign of a culture and country on a downward slope. It indicates a slave mentality and a lack of confidence in ourselves.

The Daily Burkeman1

Fascinating post on a subject I had little information on. Thanks Burkie. I will add this to my growing list of epochs to investigate.

tom007  posted on  2007-08-14   22:26:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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