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Resistance
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Title: Resistance
Source: me
URL Source: http://here
Published: Aug 15, 2007
Author: 2cb
Post Date: 2007-08-15 08:15:25 by 2cb
Keywords: resistance, freedom4um, posts
Views: 815
Comments: 78

shouldn't this be a place where there is information on how to actively engage in resistance, both offensive and defensive? :) i am suggesting that more posts be made on informing people on methods and strategies. everyone everywhere is telling us all the bad news - but personally, i can't do anything with bad news - anger, outrage, and depression don't work in our favor - talk is cheap. we really need to be serious - we are 100 years too late already. we need to take action, and have fun doing it. the courts need to be jammed with license resistors that have winning arguments, the system needs to be taxed so the clueless feel some more taxes (better sooner than later), people need to stop funding it all with their monies, people need to learn how to get out of it all, new local economies need to be created, the system needs to get tied up with it's own ropes by people that are taking a stand for freedom ... it's better to help collapse the corrupt system under it's own weight now, while there is (possibly) time, rather than to wait for God or Jesus to save us after there is no chance.

freedom is like brains and muscles - if you don't exercise it, you lose it.

"How we burned in the prison camps later thinking: What would things have been like if every police operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? If during periods of mass arrests people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever was at hand? The organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt." -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Nobel Prize winner and author of The Gulag Archipelago, who spent 11 years in Soviet concentration camps. NOTE: Interestingly, Solzhenitsyn, said in his Gulag Archipelago series, that when asked by other inmates what his time and crime were, he would say "10 years, for nothing", and the reply would be an incredulous "but the time for nothing is 5 years!".

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#1. To: 2cb (#0)

we really need to be serious - we are 100 years too late already. we need to take action, and have fun doing it. the courts need to be jammed with license resistors that have winning arguments, the system needs to be taxed so the clueless feel some more taxes (better sooner than later), people need to stop funding it all with their monies, people need to learn how to get out of it all, new local economies need to be created, the system needs to get tied up with it's own ropes by people that are taking a stand for freedom ... it's better to help collapse the corrupt system under it's own weight now, while there is (possibly) time, rather than to wait for God or Jesus to save us after there is no chance.

Agreed. We need to stop marking off the time lapse to doom and start gumming up the system. It would be good if people could share some specific ideas on how to start that ball rolling.

RidinShotgun  posted on  2007-08-15   9:21:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: RidinShotgun (#1)

We ceratinly need to raise hell aboout our rigged elections.

who knows what evil  posted on  2007-08-15   11:29:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: who knows what evil (#9)

We ceratinly need to raise hell aboout our rigged elections.

How, and with whom do we raise this hell? Will they hear us? Or will they shut us out and up, like always?

I know this is an unpopular attitude, but it seems to me that if you don't like something, yet you keep participating in it, you're gonna keep getting whatever the hell the overseers want you to have ... in this case, crooked politicians.

RidinShotgun  posted on  2007-08-15   11:38:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: RidinShotgun (#11)

I know this is an unpopular attitude, but it seems to me that if you don't like something, yet you keep participating in it, you're gonna keep getting whatever the hell the overseers want you to have ... in this case, crooked politicians.

Actually; I couldn't agree more. The only 'hell' I've been raising is to pass along stories of rigged elections, and to encourage people to use a paper ballot.

who knows what evil  posted on  2007-08-15   12:30:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: who knows what evil (#12)

pass along stories of rigged elections, and to encourage people to use a paper ballot.

Little town I lived in several years ago used paper ballots for its local elections. The day the results were announced, a local reporter alleged that he found boxes full of uncounted ballots at the city dump which were subsequently taken from him by unnamed individuals and the state attorney general was notified, however he declined to investigate the claim and the results stood.

Then there's Mexico's election last July, which was done mostly by paper ballot and was proven to be completely rigged. They got away with it. Interestingly, the entire story was blacked out in the US media.

RidinShotgun  posted on  2007-08-15   12:59:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: RidinShotgun (#13)

But this paper ballot issue is where you get the citizens involved. Involved by following with vehicles the cars that take the ballot boxes to counting headquarters.

There, you follow, with cam corders, of course, the boxes as the trunks are opened and escorted to wherever they're taken.

Then, you have count observers there watching everything, including the piles.

In times past, there were people from each party who would do the counting--because they were bound and determined to make sure 'their' guy wasn't screwed out of a vote or two.

The whole process from beginning to end needs to be observed and followed. Work with the State's Secretary of State to find out what the laws are all about. This office will even put on forums to teach about being poll observers, etc. I know this because I did it.

And another thing, both parties have worked diligently together in Congress to assure that only someone from each of those parties make it. Occasionally an independent will make it, but count the numbers and see how many do.....it is because the election laws have been rigged their way. Other parties spend most of their contributions with lawyers trying to get recognized in each state, while the other two have long been recognized and don't have this problem.

Paper ballots are the only sure way to assure clean elections--and that is only good if you have the poll observers and the counting room observers, and some mathematicians or calculators that can add and not be afraid to challenge the PTB.

rowdee  posted on  2007-08-20   13:43:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: rowdee (#57)

Paper ballots are the only sure way to assure clean elections--and that is only good if you have the poll observers and the counting room observers, and some mathematicians or calculators that can add and not be afraid to challenge the PTB.

Okay, so say you've got witnesses to vote fraud. Then what?

http://www.vot efraud.org/every_american_needs_to_study.htm

.... election fraud against Presidential Candidate Patrick J. Buchanan, the people of Iowa, and the people of the USA during the Iowa Presidential Caucus in 1996. This brazen fraud by the five Big TV Networks, their creature Voter News Service, and the Republican Party headquarters of Iowa -- was uncovered through eye-witness investigation -- on the spot -- by the author of this article and his team in Dubuque Iowa on February 12, 1996 in Dubuque, Iowa. Other eye-witnesses included business men Christopher Schaper and Douglas Zeitz, local residents and local "Buchanan for President" co-ordinators Sam and Lois Pusateri, at least one of their local activists who were eye-witnesses in each classroom where the Iowa Caucus paper ballots for that respective neighborhood precinct were manually counted in open view of all participants. And then Republican party chairman of Dubuque County Rod Blum, a successful local businessman who ran a perfectly clean caucus election. -- In Dubuque, Iowa we were able to know the actual count because neighbors voted in 41 classrooms and then the paper ballots were immediately counted IN PUBLIC. We were then able to see, the next morning, how the 5 Big TV Networks through Voter News Service and AP wire service fraudulently altered the actual vote count. AP reported this fraudulent "result" to the Big Daily Papers and the rest of the "mainstream" media -- all of which media outlets uncritically reported the altered results. In this way we were able to prove the election fraud in Dubuque, County Iowa in the 1996 Presidential Caucus. The same mechanism is in operation in 99% of the counties in the USA -- but there is no chance at all of detecting election fraud because of the unconstitutional delegation to about 4 private companies (Diebold, Sequoia, Hart, and Election Systems & Software, often abbreviated ES & S) by the Republican-Democratic controlled Boards of Election. The local boards of election illegally use the local police force to prevent citizen participation in counting the votes on the ballots cast at that neighborhood precinct,and then to snatch the ballots away from the neighborhood voters. Then the ballots are taken downtown where, again protected by police power, they are "counted" IN SECRET

RidinShotgun  posted on  2007-08-20   15:21:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: RidinShotgun (#61)

What is meant by 'citizen participation' in vote counting? Unless they are hired by the board of elections to sit and count ballots, you're not allowed to touch them. That in no way negates your counting as they are called out. THey cannot keep you from being close to observe.

And you get your ducks lined up at the STate Secy of States office first, so you know the friggin laws. The local laws have to comply with state laws which in turn are governed, in many respects by fed laws.

And you get acquainted with all sorts of reports and news service people. You have cell phones.....you have videos......you record all--even if a cop badmouths you to stand back.

Y'all wanted lists of actions that can be done. Also include running for office yourself.

Armed revolution isn't gonna happen anytime soon here. It would have to get a lot worse first. IMO, of course.

rowdee  posted on  2007-08-20   17:40:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: rowdee (#66)

You're talking about how to prevent cheating and how to catch cheaters. That doesn't even matter because we all know its done because they have been caught doing it over and over again, as shown in the snip I posted above about Buchanan. My question was ... what then? How is it resolved? Who's head rolls? Who wins?

Fact is, a couple weeks after we've been "given" another new winner, everybody just shrugs it off again and says better luck next time. You'd almost get the impression that we're a bunch of hapless frenchies from watching the collective gallic shrug after each stolen election. Hell, even the Mexicans did a better job of protesting their stolen election than americans have ever done.

RidinShotgun  posted on  2007-08-20   19:57:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: RidinShotgun (#70)

Are you wanting a course in what it takes to get americans to get off their dead asses and devote some time to something besides Oprah, and the latest Pistons scores, or the size of Michael Jordan's shoes? Or who the latest dog fighter is? Apathy 101 or something like that?

Generally, IMO, it takes someone's own nest getting shit in before they think about doing something about it.

rowdee  posted on  2007-08-20   20:55:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: rowdee (#71)

Generally, IMO, it takes someone's own nest getting shit in before they think about doing something about it.

Those someones you mention may or may not have noticed between innings that they don't actually own a nest, or that paper mortgages have been even more successful than paper ballots in sweeping away all their shit.

RidinShotgun  posted on  2007-08-21   10:05:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: RidinShotgun (#72)

So start a list of how we break the cycle of apathy.......how do you get people to become interested in learning the truth or the facts?

rowdee  posted on  2007-08-21   13:06:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#78. To: rowdee (#76)

So start a list of how we break the cycle of apathy.......how do you get people to become interested in learning the truth or the facts?

There is no list that I'm aware of. Looks to me like most folks simply have to learn the hard way. But after you've developed a solid history of telling the ugly truth and have been laughed at and ridiculed only to have those things prove out to be true, its easier to make a list of the number of people who simply hate being told "told you so". Most of the time they try to exonerate their previous ignorance by blaming the truth teller for everything that went wrong.

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