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Title: Resistance
Source: me
URL Source: http://here
Published: Aug 15, 2007
Author: 2cb
Post Date: 2007-08-15 08:15:25 by 2cb
Keywords: resistance, freedom4um, posts
Views: 840
Comments: 78

shouldn't this be a place where there is information on how to actively engage in resistance, both offensive and defensive? :) i am suggesting that more posts be made on informing people on methods and strategies. everyone everywhere is telling us all the bad news - but personally, i can't do anything with bad news - anger, outrage, and depression don't work in our favor - talk is cheap. we really need to be serious - we are 100 years too late already. we need to take action, and have fun doing it. the courts need to be jammed with license resistors that have winning arguments, the system needs to be taxed so the clueless feel some more taxes (better sooner than later), people need to stop funding it all with their monies, people need to learn how to get out of it all, new local economies need to be created, the system needs to get tied up with it's own ropes by people that are taking a stand for freedom ... it's better to help collapse the corrupt system under it's own weight now, while there is (possibly) time, rather than to wait for God or Jesus to save us after there is no chance.

freedom is like brains and muscles - if you don't exercise it, you lose it.

"How we burned in the prison camps later thinking: What would things have been like if every police operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? If during periods of mass arrests people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever was at hand? The organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt." -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Nobel Prize winner and author of The Gulag Archipelago, who spent 11 years in Soviet concentration camps. NOTE: Interestingly, Solzhenitsyn, said in his Gulag Archipelago series, that when asked by other inmates what his time and crime were, he would say "10 years, for nothing", and the reply would be an incredulous "but the time for nothing is 5 years!".

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#1. To: 2cb (#0)

we really need to be serious - we are 100 years too late already. we need to take action, and have fun doing it. the courts need to be jammed with license resistors that have winning arguments, the system needs to be taxed so the clueless feel some more taxes (better sooner than later), people need to stop funding it all with their monies, people need to learn how to get out of it all, new local economies need to be created, the system needs to get tied up with it's own ropes by people that are taking a stand for freedom ... it's better to help collapse the corrupt system under it's own weight now, while there is (possibly) time, rather than to wait for God or Jesus to save us after there is no chance.

Agreed. We need to stop marking off the time lapse to doom and start gumming up the system. It would be good if people could share some specific ideas on how to start that ball rolling.

RidinShotgun  posted on  2007-08-15   9:21:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: RidinShotgun, 2cb, lodwick, ALL (#1)

we really need to be serious - we are 100 years too late already. we need to take action, and have fun doing it. the courts need to be jammed with license resistors that have winning arguments, the system needs to be taxed so the clueless feel some more taxes (better sooner than later), people need to stop funding it all with their monies, people need to learn how to get out of it all, new local economies need to be created, the system needs to get tied up with it's own ropes by people that are taking a stand for freedom ... it's better to help collapse the corrupt system under it's own weight now, while there is (possibly) time, rather than to wait for God or Jesus to save us after there is no chance.

Agreed. We need to stop marking off the time lapse to doom and start gumming up the system. It would be good if people could share some specific ideas on how to start that ball rolling.

Damn 2cb, I LIKE the way you think. Maybe it's cause I think that way too.

(RS)

OK. Lets start with licenses.
1. Marriage licenses. If you're NOT married yet but are planning on getting married in the future - DON'T get a ML. See how simple this is? IF you get a ML, you have just invited a "3rd party into your marriage - the StateInc.
2. Business license. If you're starting a business, DON'T get a BL. If you do all you're doing is volunteering to become a tax collector for the StateInc, not to mention creating a big headache of "paperwork hassles" for yourself to fill out every so often. How do you conduct your "business"? Through private contract with INDIVIDUALS only. I have a friend that started a restaurant without a BL. Down the road the state comptroller sent him a notice that he owed "xxx" in sales tax he had failed to report. He notified them that since he had not registered with them (ie, gotten a BL) he didn't charge nor collect sales tax. They responded by filling one out for him!!! He responded by initiating a Federal lawsuit against them for forging an official document and fraud. They responded by promptly dropping the matter and he never heard from them again.
3. Drivers license. A little trickier, this one is practically guaranteed to land you in front of a court. (That IS the idea though right - tie up the courts with things like this?) Again just DON'T get one. IF you already HAVE one (and damned near everybody falls into this category), you'll need to rescind it. I just posted an article describing how a guy in NM did this...

On to creating our own local economies.
Here in our small town, several of us have been edging our way away from the Federal Reserve Note scam, and endeavoring to use the REAL currency our government mints every work day - gold and (especially) silver coin. Our local grocer now takes them as do several other businesses (including mine). We offer an "incentive" to people to use silver. For instance, if I charge say $40/hr for my services I also give the option of paying with 2 ozs of silver. They can purchase the silver from the grocer for $18/oz. This gives them a "break" over my hourly rate. I can then sell the silver to the grocer (or use it to purchase groceries) at a slightly lower rate than he sells it at, BUT still at a considerably higher rate than spot. Yes, there is some "give and take" involved for all parties involved; BUT all parties are benefiting from actually having in their possession something tangible which will help them preserve their purchasing power when the real crunch hits... We are working towards getting more people and businesses involved. We are also encouraging more "buy it local" on everything from hardware to food as opposed to going the 30 mile trip to the nearest WallyWorld...

Now for the quit funding it with their monies and getting out of it all.
The above paragraph is a good start. But the REAL deal is to get out of the Social(ist) Security System/ponzy scheme/fraud. This one seemingly little innocent thing is what binds you to them in the chains of slavery. It is what ties you to their income tax scheme/fraud. The SS fraud could probably be challenged in court (as a way out of it) using the argument of performance of contract - ie make them prove that the purchasing power of the "dollars" returned to you later on will be equal to what you "put in" during your "working years". BUT, there are other ways. One is their OWN form SS521 - removal of your SS application. This dis-attaches you from their number (once a number is assigned and even 1¢ is paid in on that "account" it is never rescinded from the system), which effectively removes you from the system. Another (harder but perhaps better) way is to construct a notice to them that you no longer wish to participate, along with your reasons (mark of the Beast is a good one), and demand out. This must be mailed via registered return receipt requested to quite a few parties. I do know this method works, as opposed to the other methods. For instance, the SS521 must be approved by them...

Lastly let me say that in doing any of the above you are very likely to find yourself in court on more than one occasion as a defendant. Since statistics show that defendants with a hired attorney only "win" 6% of the time in court, whereas those representing themselves pro-se win nearly 12% of the time - you have 2 choices. You'll either need a good lawyer (see my tagline), OR you'll need to do it yourself which entails learning a lot of legal/law issues. Here is where I would probably recommend attending George Gordon's law school. You can find out more about his law school at http://www.georgegordon.com

innieway  posted on  2007-08-19   12:41:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: innieway, RidinShotgun, 2cb, lodwick, ALL (#14)

Here in our small town, several of us have been edging our way away from the Federal Reserve Note scam, and endeavoring to use the REAL currency our government mints every work day - gold and (especially) silver coin.

Sorry to drop in but I think you'll find this interesting. E-Gold

This is a site providing a digital currency wich is at all times backed 100% by gold. With this, you have a easy way to influence people to drop their dependency on fiat money. I'm kinda suprised this didn't turn up sooner in this discussion.

SkyRat  posted on  2007-08-20   9:07:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: SkyRat (#36)

Sorry to drop in but I think you'll find this interesting. E-Gold

Why are you apologising?

Don't mean to be a wet blanket, but any method of commerce that relies on the internet or telecommunications makes me shiver, not only because we could lose those services in the blink of an eye, but also because they're so vulnerable to hacking and tracking.

RidinShotgun  posted on  2007-08-20   10:44:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: RidinShotgun (#42)

Why are you apologising?

well, this is my first post on this board and just dropping in and posting to a website comes close to spamming.

I realise that there are disadvantages. And I can understand your feelings. Trust is hard to get, especialy if money is involved.

we could lose those services in the blink of an eye

not sure what you mean by that. lose the internet? One of the design goals for the darpa project which is now known as the internet was to establish a communication network that would still be operating after a nuclear strike. So, if the internet is out, there wont be much left to talk about.

Guess you mean this specific service. How could you lose this service? Even if the main server would be taken out, be it by law or accident, another one could be up in less than 24 hours, a continent away.

But even if that were to happen, there are many digital currencies avaible, as long as you dont use a single one, you should be safe.

Also, there would be no need to keep your whole savings in this. You deposit an amount in there you can feel safe with. If you want to redeem your e-gold to real gold, you can do that anytime.

As for hacking, yeah, thats a problem. With e-gold, you get a account number and a password. Once the password is gone, your money is gone too.

As for tracking, thats not as big an isssue as you think. You can have any number of accounts, which are not connected by you in any way. There is no easy way to identify you as a certain user of this service. There are many ways of getting money in and out of the system. No single point of failure.

So, on the plus side, you have a currency that is backed by gold. Its easy to transfer it, can be changed back anytime and compared to your regular bank account, is way more anonymous. If you follow that link you see the form that allows you to transfer money to me :) if you had an account. Now, Im not asking for money here, but if you know a better way to get gold from one place to the other tell me. You won't see any of my account information, who I am, or how much I have in my account and neither does the FED.

Now, this was a long post. Im not telling you to be all over this. Just giv it a chance. Get your friends, create one or two accounts each, say about 50$ in total, try to send money with it. But more importantly, spread the word

SkyRat  posted on  2007-08-20   11:38:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: SkyRat (#45)

There should be MORE first posts. :<)

My comment about losing communications and the internet has more to do with power black outs and outages than the deliberate take down of internet access.

All currencies, including gold and silver, are backed by labor and production, without which PMs would still be in the ground, so a fiat paper currency that's openly and directly backed by the labor and production of the people who trade with it is just as functional, if not moreso, than currencies that are commodities such as PMs. IMO, its the fluctuating value of gold and silver on the market that makes them unstable as a currency, whether in their cold hard physical state or as markers.

And call me old fashioned, but I'm still a firm believer that a bird in the hand is worth more than a booted up cyber bird that can be traded for goods and services with no accountability for the vendors. I heard a lady complaining the other day about having purchased a product online that turned out to be a complete disaster and she was informed by a talk show lawyer that she has almost no legal means of recouping her losses without spending more in the attempt than she would win. IF she won. If a company is crooked, it doesn't matter whether you pay by pay pal or send egold ... to them, you're just another interstate/global customer with no recourse. I'm sure we've all heard horror stories about rip offs on Ebay. A local company depending on local customers, OTOH, couldn't survive the negative image. Support local merchants and you support your own lifeline.

RidinShotgun  posted on  2007-08-20   13:32:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: RidinShotgun (#56)

All currencies, including gold and silver, are backed by labor and production, without which PMs would still be in the ground, so a fiat paper currency that's openly and directly backed by the labor and production of the people who trade with it is just as functional, if not moreso, than currencies that are commodities such as PMs. IMO, its the fluctuating value of gold and silver on the market that makes them unstable as a currency, whether in their cold hard physical state or as markers.

I have to respectfully disagree with you on this one.

Gold and silver are backed up by GOD. He is the one that created them, He is the One that told us to use them as our currency - in fact He mandated it in His Law (See Leviticus 19:36, and Deuteronomy 25:13 - the "just weights and measures" law).

The reason gold and silver are considered "just weights and measures" are because their "value" does NOT fluctuate". The common misconception that they DO has been injected into our brains from years of "conditioning" on the part of the PTB.

Back in the early '60s, (when we had Silver Certificates, and you could take a $1 "paper" certificate to the bank and have them give you a $1 silver coin for it) you could take either the silver coin or the paper dollar to the gas station and buy 4 gallons of gas. Now, you take the paper dollar to the gas station and you get about a third of a gallon of gas with it; but if you sell a 1oz silver dollar for spot price (since the gas station probably won't take it) and take that to the gas station, you can still get 4 gallons of gas. Gas hasn't gotten any more "expensive" over the last 45 years, the dollar has devalued. That's the scam - we're so used to thinking of the "price" of things relative to the dollar, when in fact the "price" of things change very little relative to the value of the dollar. It's the damned Federal Reserve Note that fluctuates!!!

The reason gold and silver would (and used to) work as real money (or at the very least paper backed by gold and silver) is because there is only x amount of it. It cannot be "created out of thin air" like the fiat currencies of the world.

If we had stuck to the Scriptural mandate of gold and silver as our "money", we wouldn't be seeing the financial problems we see today. When the US was on a "gold standard" we were the world's #1 creditor nation - today (since getting away from the gold and silver standard) we are the world's #1 debtor nation. How the world's richest nation in terms of natural resources and ingenuity could have gone from one extreme to the other in less than 80 years is appalling. Consider it "punishment" for failure to keep God's laws...

innieway  posted on  2007-08-21   13:04:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: innieway (#75)

Gold and silver are backed up by GOD. He is the one that created them, He is the One that told us to use them as our currency - in fact He mandated it in His Law (See Leviticus 19:36, and Deuteronomy 25:13 - the "just weights and measures" law).

The reason gold and silver are considered "just weights and measures" are because their "value" does NOT fluctuate". The common misconception that they DO has been injected into our brains from years of "conditioning" on the part of the PTB.

Yes, of course God created gold and silver, just as he created ALL of the resources necessary for our survival.

But God isn't a capitalist. He didn't turn his creations into commodities for the profit of the few, men did that, some of them purporting to be working under the banner of God. Lesser men accepted it that way and actually promoted it because men are, generally speaking, fools of the first water.

RidinShotgun  posted on  2007-08-21   13:20:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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