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Title: NY police commissioner: Internet is "the new Afghanistan"
Source: Yahoo News
URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070815 ... t=AssAVAqKhJvpIgnvQbPYtTsXIr0F
Published: Aug 15, 2007
Author: New York police commissioner Raymond Kel
Post Date: 2007-08-15 19:34:07 by Zipporah
Keywords: None
Views: 272
Comments: 17


New York City Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly announces the bust of counterfeiters of retail goods in New York, November 27, 2002. The Internet is the new battleground against Islamist extremism because it provides ideology that could radicalize Westerners who might then initiate home-grown attacks, Kelly said on Wednesday. (Chip East/Reuters)

Internet is "the new Afghanistan": NY police commissioner

By Michelle Nichols and Edith HonanWed Aug 15, 3:51 PM ET

The Internet is the new battleground against Islamist extremism because it provides ideology that could radicalize Westerners who might then initiate home-grown attacks, New York police commissioner Raymond Kelly said on Wednesday.

"The Internet is the new Afghanistan," Kelly said, as he released a New York Police Department (NYPD) report on the home-grown threat of attacks by Islamist extremists. "It is the de facto training ground. It's an area of concern."

The report found that the challenge for Western authorities was to identify, pre-empt and prevent home-grown threats, which was difficult because many of those who might undertake an attack often commit no crimes along the path to extremism.

The report identified the four stages to radicalization as pre-radicalization, self-identification, indoctrination, and jihadization, and said the Internet drove and enabled the process.

Radicalization could be triggered by such things as the loss of a job, the death of a close family member, alienation, discrimination, and international conflicts involving Muslims, said the report by senior NYPD intelligence analysts.

"Much different from the Israeli-Palestinian equation, the transformation of a Western-based individual to a terrorist is not triggered by oppression, suffering, revenge or desperation," it said.

"Rather, it is a phenomenon that occurs because the individual is looking for an identity and a cause and unfortunately, often finds them in extremist Islam," said the report "Radicalization in the West: The Home-grown Threat."

While the September 11 strike on the United States by Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network was planned overseas, the report said the attacks had helped proliferate and accelerate radicalization, especially in the West.

"More importantly, 9/11 established the current trend of committing an act in the name of global jihad as a natural culmination of full radicalization and the ultimate responsibility for the fully radicalized jihadist," it said.

But starting the radicalization process does not mean everyone will progress to "become a terrorist."

"Individuals who have been radicalized but are not jihadists may serve as mentors and agents of influence to those who might become terrorists of tomorrow," said the report, which analyzed five home-grown U.S. attack plots.

It says Europe's failure to integrate second and third generation immigrants into society, both economically and socially, had left young Muslims more vulnerable to extremism.

While economic opportunities in the United States are better and the country's Muslims are more resistant to Islamist extremism, they are "not immune to the radical message."

"The powerful gravitational pull of individuals' religious roots and identity sometimes supersedes the assimilating nature of

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#1. To: Zipporah, aristeides, Jethro Tull, Eoghan (#0)

because it provides ideology that could radicalize Westerners who might then initiate home-grown attacks

because...Westerners on the internet have nothing better to do? What nonsense is this?

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robin  posted on  2007-08-15   19:45:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: robin, Zipporah (#1)

Raymond displays his attack dog loyalty...Mayor Bloomberg was trapped on 15min subway ride with WeAreChange...I doubt he'll do the subway ever again.

Raymond Kelly wants to take away New Yorkers right to assembly

The public hearing is being held only because it is required by the city charter before the police can implement such rules. In an attempt to minimize public input the hearing is being held the Monday after the Thanksgiving holiday in the middle of the work day.

Assemble for Rights NYC has denounced the Police hearing as a mockery of the democratic process, and will be holding a rally outside of One Police Plaza during the hearing to allow members of the public to gather and express their [opposition to Police rulemaking without being forced to endure the indignity of asking the Police Commissioner to reconsider his own proposal from within NYPD headquarters.

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2007-08-15   20:05:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: robin (#1)

because...Westerners on the internet have nothing better to do? What nonsense is this?

nonsense is the least of it.. this is just part of a concerted effort IMO..

Zipporah  posted on  2007-08-15   20:08:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Zipporah (#0)

The Internet is the new battleground against Islamist extremism because it provides ideology that could radicalize Westerners who might then initiate home-grown attacks, New York police commissioner Raymond Kelly said on Wednesday.

"The Internet is the new Afghanistan," Kelly said, as he released a New York Police Department (NYPD) report on the home-grown threat of attacks by Islamist extremists. "It is the de facto training ground. It's an area of concern."

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IndieTX  posted on  2007-08-15   20:15:15 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Zipporah (#3)

The funny thing is, if Western Civilization actually represented "rule of law" and "liberty and justice for all" and "opportunity for everyone willing to work hard", then very very few would ever be persuaded to turn against it, no matter how much invective and scorn was heaped against it. Therefore, it seems reasonable to conclude that those regimes that are most concerned about people being "turned against" them are the ones that have the most reason for people TO turn against them.

Capitalism is NOT an economic system, it's a RELIGION for ASSHOLES!

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2007-08-15   20:17:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Zipporah (#0)

"The Internet is the new Afghanistan," Kelly said

and the New York cops are the new Taliban.

Steel  posted on  2007-08-15   20:25:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: IndieTX (#4)

LOL~ fitting!

Zipporah  posted on  2007-08-15   20:26:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Elliott Jackalope (#5)

.. well put..

Zipporah  posted on  2007-08-15   20:27:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Elliott Jackalope (#5)

Therefore, it seems reasonable to conclude that those regimes that are most concerned about people being "turned against" them are the ones that have the most reason for people TO turn against them.

Perfectly correct. Thanks.

The new Afghanistan, my ass.

Further documentation that PD's are only hiring those with sub-80 IQ's.

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Lod  posted on  2007-08-15   20:34:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Steel (#6)

and the New York cops are the new Taliban.

.. true!

Zipporah  posted on  2007-08-15   20:35:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Zipporah (#0)

"Individuals who have been radicalized but are not jihadists may serve as mentors and agents of influence to those who might become terrorists of tomorrow," said the report

Replace "jihadists" with "communists" and you have the red scares of decades past.

When the American elite gets panicked about losing their wealth and power, they unleash their lower-class bully-boys.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2007-08-15   20:43:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: MUDDOG (#11)

..who let the dogs out?

Zipporah  posted on  2007-08-15   20:49:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Zipporah (#12)

It's a historical pattern of a century now of the American elite violently over- reacting to perceived threats to their power and privilege, when in fact the threats are miniscule.

But then, intense greed and avarice engender intense paranoia.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2007-08-15   20:56:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: MUDDOG (#13)

..power and wealth are very intoxicating.. when threatened there isnt much those who have both would have any compunction in doing..

Zipporah  posted on  2007-08-15   21:01:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: MUDDOG (#13)

But then, intense greed and avarice engender intense paranoia.

Consider Cheney's 2am black helicopters hovering over his 9 acres in MD and the road blocks; the neighbors complained at first (I'm sure they learned to STFU).

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robin  posted on  2007-08-15   21:14:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: robin (#15)

Good example.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2007-08-15   21:14:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Zipporah (#0)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-08-16   10:01:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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