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Title: Freedom4um Republic
Source: Mister Clean
URL Source: [None]
Published: Aug 16, 2007
Author: Mister Clean
Post Date: 2007-08-16 14:54:36 by Mister Clean
Keywords: FreeRepublic, idiots
Views: 7890
Comments: 212

When a poster at FreeRepublic posts something negative about Bush they are often labeled a Democrat or a liberal or al-Qaeda or traitor.

Over here at Freedom4um, if I say something negative about 9/11 "truth" or the North American Union conspiracy, I am labeled a Republican, neocon, Bush shill or traitor. (Freepers, LP'ers and people who post on this site love to sling the word "traitor" around.)

Fundamentally, there is really no difference between the typical Bush supporting Freeper and some posters on this site as the example above illustrates.

There is not one post from me anywhere in support of Bush or Bush policy but that doesn't stop certain people from calling me a Bush supporter! That is EXACTLY the same kind of stupidity found on FreeRepublic.

There are posters here who are just as stupid and lazy as Freepers. They cling to their beliefs just as fiercely as Freepers and go into attack mode whenever those beliefs are challenged. They are as defensive and as juvenile and as self-righteous as Freepers. They behave exactly like Freepers.

This site should be renamed to Freedom4um Republic.

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#42. To: Mister Clean (#39)

It's basically no different from the entertainment I get from listening to Alex Jones.

Sound more like seeking out enemies on your part than pure entertainment. Have you talked to your shrink about your hatred for "truthers". I don't trust pshologist, personally, bit I think in your case they could help you shed some of the paranoia that has engulfed you.

" Junk is the ideal product... the ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-08-16   18:59:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Esso (#41)

I'm hoping he tells Goldi that I posted a dope-friendly tagline. Worlds of possiblilty with that.

" Junk is the ideal product... the ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-08-16   19:00:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Dakmar (#42)

Have you talked to your shrink about your hatred for "truthers".

I don't hate "truthers."

I get a lot of laughs from them.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-16   19:01:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: farmfriend (#40) (Edited)

Only when the owners start grifting.

We needed that Daquiri machine!

" Junk is the ideal product... the ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-08-16   19:01:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Mister Clean (#44)

You apply a stupid ass label to anyone who disagrees with you and then act like you are superior. That's why we make fun of you. Have you ever tried just being honest?

" Junk is the ideal product... the ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-08-16   19:03:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Mister Clean (#23)

No. Why?

It is a question I like to ask neocons. For some reason I do not completely understand,most Jewish people are offended by the question.

Only a truly troubled soul would ever lie in response to the question; hence, a frequent response is a non-answer and cries of antisemitism.

honway  posted on  2007-08-16   19:05:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: honway (#47)

For some reason I do not completely understand,most Jewish people are offended by the question.

It's blunt, a Yes Or No sort of question. Any spin is weakness. ADL types hate that sort of question.

" Junk is the ideal product... the ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-08-16   19:08:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Mister Clean (#48)

Are you gonna drag out the "Dakmar is jealous of Jews" slides? That would be classic.

" Junk is the ideal product... the ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-08-16   19:10:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Dakmar (#46)

You apply a stupid ass label to anyone who disagrees with you and then act like you are superior. That's why we make fun of you. Have you ever tried just being honest?

I am honest.

I don't take "truthers" seriously. I don't take people who screech about a "North American Union" seriously. I don't take people who worry about al-Qaeda nuking a US city seriously. I don't take doom & gloomers seriously.

In other words, don't take the typical American tendency to exaggerate everything seriously.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-16   19:11:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: honway (#47)

Only a truly troubled soul would ever lie in response to the question; hence, a frequent response is a non-answer and cries of antisemitism.

Uh, yeah.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-16   19:12:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Dakmar (#49)

Are you gonna drag out the "Dakmar is jealous of Jews" slides? That would be classic.

There's no need to remind you of your insecurities.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-16   19:13:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Mister Clean (#50)

I don't take people who screech about a "North American Union" seroiusly

Buchanan, Perot, Paul...those guys were absolutely correct about NAFTA. Why do you insist on ridiculing people with much better track records than the people they present evidence against?

Now that I put it that way, you are prolly a pederast shill, they must have pictures of you defaming newborns at the national zoo or something.

" Junk is the ideal product... the ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-08-16   19:17:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Mister Clean (#50)

In other words, don't take the typical American tendency to exaggerate everything seriously.

In other words, you feel superior to typical Americans.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-08-16   19:18:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Mister Clean (#44) (Edited)

I don't hate "truthers."

I get a lot of laughs from them.

Were you laughing when Lt.Col Tony Shaffer told the world Operation Able Danger identified Atta and three other reported hijackers in 2000, and Clinton Administration lawyers told military personnel to pretend the hijackers did not exist?

Were you laughing when the man that encouraged Lt. Col Shaffer to go public,Congressman Kurt Weldon, paid the price for truth with his job?

honway  posted on  2007-08-16   19:19:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Mister Clean (#0) (Edited)

Fundamentally, there is really no difference between the typical Bush supporting Freeper and some posters on this site as the example above illustrates.

Several hundred years ago people really believed in witches who practiced black magic, so they ostracised, scapegoated and ultimately murdered them.

The same psychology animates Freepers who are convinced those who do not believe as they do are in league with the devil.

The same psychology also animates Truthers who believe in black magic (remote-controlled airplanes, explosives in towers, hundreds of brilliant psychopaths, unlimited funds, etc).

The difference is that Freepers have chosen to hate Clinton, whereas Truthers have chosen to hate Bush.

Ultimately, the only difference between them is who they have chosen to hate and blame.

“When I am the weaker, I ask you for my freedom, because that is your principle; but when I am the stronger, I take away your freedom, because that is my principle.”-Louis Veuillot

YertleTurtle  posted on  2007-08-16   19:21:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: honway (#55)

Were you laughing when Lt.Col Tony Shaffer told the world Operation Able Danger identified Atta and three other reported hijackers in 2000, and Clinton Administration lawyers told military personnel to pretend the hijackers did not exist?

..yeah that was a real knee slapper..

Zipporah  posted on  2007-08-16   19:21:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: honway (#55) (Edited)

He doesn't care about that, see? Facts are for losers, it's all about feeling good about yourself.

:)

" Junk is the ideal product... the ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-08-16   19:22:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Dakmar (#45)

We needed that Daquiri machine!

Well yeah I guess that is a worthy cause.


farmfriend  posted on  2007-08-16   19:24:36 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Dakmar (#53)

Buchanan, Perot, Paul...those guys were absolutely correct about NAFTA. Why do you insist on ridiculing people with much better track records than the people they present evidence against?

NAFTA did not create a North American Union.

There is ZERO action being taken in Congress to bring about a political/economic union of Canada, the US and Mexico. ZERO.

And there's not gonna be any NAU without action in Congress. Period. If you believe otherwise, you're just another conspiracy nut.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-16   19:24:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: YertleTurtle (#56)

The difference is that Freepers have chosen to hate Clinton, whereas Truthers have chosen to hate Bush.

Ah, shit, let's drink to something else. Let's drink to fucking. Yeah, say, "Here's to your fuck, Frank."

" Junk is the ideal product... the ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-08-16   19:25:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Mister Clean (#60)

NAFTA did not create a North American Union.

No shit? How many points was that?

" Junk is the ideal product... the ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-08-16   19:26:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Mister Clean (#60)

I guess the concept of incrementalism is lost on you.


farmfriend  posted on  2007-08-16   19:26:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: aristeides (#54)

In other words, you feel superior to typical Americans.

Not superior but certainly more rational.

Lots of Americans LOVE to hype everything up. I'm just not one of those Americans.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-16   19:26:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Dakmar (#61)

Ah, shit, let's drink to something else. Let's drink to fucking. Yeah, say, "Here's to your fuck, Frank."

ROFLMAO!!

Zipporah  posted on  2007-08-16   19:26:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: farmfriend (#63)

..obviously

Zipporah  posted on  2007-08-16   19:27:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Dakmar (#61)

Let's drink to fucking. Yeah, say, "Here's to your fuck, Frank."


farmfriend  posted on  2007-08-16   19:27:36 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: honway (#55)

Were you laughing when Lt.Col Tony Shaffer told the world Operation Able Danger identified Atta and three other reported hijackers in 2000, and Clinton Administration lawyers told military personnel to pretend the hijackers did not exist?

Were you laughing when the man that encouraged Lt. Col Shaffer to go public,Congressman Kurt Weldon, paid the price for truth with his job?

"Able Danger" was a lot of hot air.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-16   19:29:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: YertleTurtle (#56)

The difference is that Freepers have chosen to hate Clinton, whereas Truthers have chosen to hate Bush.

Ultimately, the only difference between them is who they have chosen to hate and blame.

Agreed.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-16   19:29:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Mister Clean (#68)

"Able Danger" was a lot of hot air.

oh? Do tell..

Zipporah  posted on  2007-08-16   19:32:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: farmfriend (#63)

I guess the concept of incrementalism is lost on you.

The idea that there is a secret agenda to incrementally create a political/economic union between Canada, the US and Mexico is absurd.

The EU was formed over several decades out in the open. People knew for a long time what the plan was. They knew the timetable.

If there is ever a serious effort undertaken to create a NAU, we will know about it.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-16   19:33:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Mister Clean (#0)

That is EXACTLY the same kind of stupidity found on FreeRepublic.

Speaking of stupidity. I remember your posts at FR.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-08-16   19:34:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Mister Clean (#69)

Do you think it's wrong to hate Hitler or Stalin?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-08-16   19:34:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Mister Clean (#64)

Lots of Americans LOVE to hype everything up. I'm just not one of those Americans.

Funny. You claim to be an American. And then you say things that are most unusual for an American to say.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-08-16   19:36:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: aristeides (#74)

He also does his share of hyping.

" Junk is the ideal product... the ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-08-16   19:37:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Zipporah (#70)

oh? Do tell..

In a particularly dramatic scene in Weldon's book, Countdown to Terror, the Pennsylvania Republican described personally handing to then-Deputy National Security Adviser Steve Hadley, just after Sept. 11, an Able Danger chart produced in 1999 identifying Atta. But Weldon told TIME he's no longer certain Atta's name was on that original document.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1093694,00.html

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-16   19:40:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Cynicom (#72)

Speaking of stupidity. I remember your posts at FR.

That's a neat trick considering I never posted there.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-16   19:40:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: aristeides (#73)

Do you think it's wrong to hate Hitler or Stalin?

I think if you want to hate men who have been dead for years, you go right ahead.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-16   19:41:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: aristeides (#74)

Funny. You claim to be an American. And then you say things that are most unusual for an American to say.

There is nothing unusual about commenting on the behavior of Americans.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-16   19:42:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Dakmar (#61)

Ah, shit, let's drink to something else. Let's drink to fucking. Yeah, say, "Here's to your fuck, Frank."

NOW this worthless, piece of sh*t thread is getting somewhere...

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2007-08-16   19:43:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Mister Clean (#71)

The idea that there is a secret agenda to incrementally create a political/economic union between Canada, the US and Mexico is absurd.

Why? The idea of the government secretly testing things on an unknowing population is absurd too but they have done it. Several times I might add. And the concept of a large economic block to counter the EU is an attractive one. There is even a push to form one in Asia.

The EU was formed over several decades out in the open. People knew for a long time what the plan was. They knew the timetable.

Europe was more socialist to start with. Can't be done that way here. Even you can see the opposition to it is insurmountable. Secretly is the only way to do it. If you are a government bent on implementing an unpopular policy how would you go about doing it? And I'm sure that government elites believe they know better than the great unwashed.


farmfriend  posted on  2007-08-16   19:44:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Mister Clean (#79)

There is nothing unusual about commenting on the behavior of Americans.

It's much more usual for a foreigner, who sees our common characteristics, than for an American, who is more likely to see our differences.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-08-16   19:45:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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