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Title: The rational thinker versus the paranoid
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Dr. Kenneth A. Rahn, Sr
URL Source: http://www.kenrahn.com/jfk/conspira ... l_thinker_versus_paranoid.html
Published: Aug 17, 2007
Author: Dr. Kenneth A. Rahn, Sr
Post Date: 2007-08-17 11:09:58 by Mister Clean
Keywords: paranoid, truther, neocons
Views: 765
Comments: 92
The rational thinker versus the paranoid Presented with the same evidence for a mystery, the rational thinker and the paranoid respond very differently. 1. Checks the evidence carefully and doesn’t rely on uncertain evidence 1. Grabs onto a few pieces of evidence and defends them inflexibly. 2. Doesn’t care which evidence he must let go. 2. Seemingly irrationally seizes onto something and won’t let go. 3. Seeks a realistic answer in simple and familiar processes. 3. Invokes complex, unrealistic scenarios controlled by powerful forces behind the scenes. 4. Accepts only what he can critically assess (falsifiable ideas). 4. Deals in explanations that can never be critically assessed (unfalsifiable theories). 5. Is willing to live with unresolved explanations for long periods. 5. Demands quick, even immediate explanations. 6. Accepts the roles of chance and human foibles. 6. Invents scenarios when nothing ever goes wrong. 7. Uses same rational approach in the rest of his life. 7. Approaches many other “events” in the same irrational, paranoid way. (i.e., both people are consistent across their lives.) 8. Finds empowering explanations. 8. Feels powerless before these huge forces (victims). 9. Accepts all demonstrated evidence. 9. Will not face evidence that destroys his theory. 10. Is willing to live with some fraction of unexplained or contradictory evidence. 10. Insists on fitting everything into his explanation, often by explaining difficult items as further evidence of conspiracy. 11. Tries to keep everything in proportion. 11. Often seizes single pieces of evidence and blows them out of proportion. 12. Will change ideas a new evidence emerges. 12. Sticks to preconceived notion regardless of new evidence. 13. Open, flexible, empowered, strong. 13. Preconceived, rigid, victimlike, cowardly. The rational thinker
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#19. To: Mister Clean (#17)
You are a certified wingnut, you were at Freakville and you are here.
Neither is Hannity, O'Reilly or Badeye. No shill can announce themselves as a member of the party and be credible. But you know that. Besides, you've already been caught out in a couple of lies on just this thread alone. Never mind the others. So why should I believe a word you say?
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It's obvious that you perceive criticism of the "truth" movement as "shilling" for the GOP.
I have no idea what you're babbling about.
Yes you do. You just don't have an answer for it. I think you are trying to avoid a discussion on the dishonesty of the GOP noise machine and the general FR style of propaganda. It doesn't bode well for you.
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I told you, I'm not a Republican. Your problem is that you can't deal with independent criticism of idiotic conspiracy theories. In your small mind, anyone who doubts 9/11 "truth" is a Republican.
Are too. You know what happens to little boys that tell fibs?
And I told you that no shill worth his salt admits to party affilitation - see the thread above. You ignored this point and tried to run over it as if it were very inconvenient to you. You do agree that no shill would ever admit to being a member of the party he shills for don't you? Doesn't O'Reilly claim to be an Indpenedent even though his Republican voter registration circulates on the internet? Your problem is that you can't deal with independent criticism of idiotic conspiracy theories. You know you can't post a quote to support this and I would go so far as to say this is the third knowing, bald faced lie that you have pushed on this thread alone. Read my post above. I said I approve of people fact checking the government. I didn't favor any result in the fact checking. But you know this. You just don't want other people reading the thread to know this. In your small mind, anyone who doubts 9/11 "truth" is a Republican. So again I win the argument. The cornered wingnut once more begins hurling feces when argument fails him. Let me add that this too is a knowing, bald faced lie. You can't post a link to back up your freeper style smear here. But you know that. As you know, and as you don't want others who read this thread to know, I commented on the motives that you - you and not the world at large - exhibit in your obesssive quest against the 911 people questioning the goverment. But you know this. You just don't want others to know this.
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I don't need to repost your quotes accusing me of being a Republican shill because I challenge some stupid conspiracy theory, they're all over this thread. That fact that you knee-jerk label me a Republican shill because I dare to ridicule 9/11 "truth" is all the evidence necessary to conclude you have a very narrow mind. You equate criticism of 9/11 "truth" with being a Republican and that's just plain stupid.
I don't need to repost your quotes accusing me of being a Republican shill because I challenge some stupid conspiracy theory, they're all over this thread. That fact that you knee-jerk label me a Republican shill because I dare to ridicule 9/11 "truth" is all the evidence necessary to conclude you have a very narrow mind. You equate criticism of 9/11 "truth" with being a Republican and that's just plain stupid. You characterize point #2 from the table above... 2. Seemingly irrationally seizes onto something and won’t let go.
My opinion is that you are a Republican shill. My reason for thinking this is your very serious and determined attack on the 911 truthers. And your dishonesty about this just being a game for you - and I've supported this further up on the thread. I am also of the opinion that you are a Freeper. I have two reasons for thinking this: First, you are very dishonest in your arguments. You will lie at the drop of a hat as long as the lie furthers your cause. Freepers and hard core Republicans are the only people I have ever seen embrace this sort of pathological dishonesty. You have been caught out in lies several times on this thread alone. Secondly, when pressed with an inconvenient fact, you immediately go personal and begin smearing like a Fox News shill - or a freeper. (Note that I've highlighted your Freeper style smear tactics at several points on the thread above - so please don't start your "quote me" game .... again.) The only other thing lacking in your Republican credentials is a gay lover. So if it looks like a duck, walks like a ducka nd quacks like a duck, I am disinclined to believe your wild conspiracy theories about the duck being some sort of independent thinker.
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My reason for thinking this is your very serious and determined attack on the 911 truthers. Yes, I know. Your narrow mind equates criticism of 911 "truth" with being a Republican.
You know of course you're going to get your ass kicked by the believers in the black magic of remote-controlled airplanes, explosives hidden in towers, and brilliant but evil polymaths that no one can seem to find.
“When I am the weaker, I ask you for my freedom, because that is your principle; but when I am the stronger, I take away your freedom, because that is my principle.”-Louis Veuillot
I offered some good support for my position. You respond by hurling monkey shit like a Freeper or other species of Republican shill. Thank you for proving my point. By the way, as I noted above, your mischaracterization of my position here is a bald faced lie. A knowing, deliberate bald faced lie on your part.
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I know they'll try but they will just be demonstrating the paranoid characteristics detailed in the table above.
You've only offered your opinion. An opinion that drips from a very narrow mind.
Another mischaracterization that amounts to a knowing, deliberate, bald faced lie. I have supported every statement I made above. But you know that. You just don't want others to know that.
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If that was the only thing he didn't believe in, he'd be fine. It's his support for globalism, amnesty, war on terror, REALID, Patriot Act, communism, and sniping that make him a buffoon. We can disagree on 9-11. He is the anti- thesis of Freedom4UM in every way, not just one. We're not talking about disagreeing on a couple things here. It's akin to someone not even speaking the same language.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition You say I'm a Republican shill. That's your narrow minded opinion. Are you so deluded that you consider your opinion to be fact? No wonder you believe in conspiracy theories.
Not deluded. I believe it for the reasons I've cited above. But these reasons are exactly what you are trying to obfuscate here with your Freeper style attack. Instead of throwing shit - like a Freeper or other sort of GOP shill - why don't you attack the reasons I've cited for my opinion?
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But these reasons are exactly what you are trying to obfuscate here with your Freeper style attack. Instead of throwing shit - like a Freeper or other sort of GOP shill - why don't you attack the reasons I've cited for my opinion? What's this? Logic??? LOL. [Can you imagine Kleenex boy trying to play chess or score on a debate team?!]
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition He does't do that. He won't answer your questions or address any of your points. He bitches about this place being like FR but it only seems to be that way when he is around.
Just as Iraq war supporters accuse any critic of being a traitor, you accuse anyone who disagrees with you about 9/11 of being a Republican shill. You are really fundamentally no different from a Republican shill as your mind is just as narrow.
You are really fundamentally no different from a Republican shill as your mind is just as narrow. Yawn. Same old tired Freeper tactic: When cornered, hurl monkey shit and try to change the subject. I've done a good job of supporting my opinion that you are a Republican shill. It's on the thread above. You toss monkey shit in response. Thank you for proving my point and confirming my opinion.
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You are really fundamentally no different from a Republican shill as your mind is just as narrow. Yawn.
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You've admitted that you believe I'm a Republican shill simply because I don't buy into your conspiracy theories. That's all.
That's all. Nope, that is not what I said and you know it. In fact your mischaracterization here is gross enough to constitute another knowing, deliberate, bald faced lie. I believe that makes 4 on this thread alone. I guess you can't refute the reasons for my opinion cited above. Hence, the hurling of feces and Freeper style dishonesty. Yawn. Come back when you lose the Rebublican shill tactics.
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It is EXACTLY what you said: "My opinion is that you are a Republican shill. My reason for thinking this is your very serious and determined attack on the 911 truthers." So as I said, you think I'm a Republican shill simply because I criticize "truthers."
"My opinion is that you are a Republican shill. My reason for thinking this is your very serious and determined attack on the 911 truthers." So as I said, you think I'm a Republican shill simply because I criticize "truthers." Here is what you claimed I said in post number 44 above: "You've admitted that you believe I'm a Republican shill simply because I don't buy into your conspiracy theories." I called you a bald faced liar in response. In the above post you try to save your ass by changing what you said in post #44, i.e. you suddenly quote me correctly: "My opinion is that you are a Republican shill". And as I've noted many times above, I've supported this statement with facts. You refuse to address these facts and instead resort to the type of dishonesty you just tried in post number 44 and in your post above. Why should I listen to a person who has proven themselves to be as big a pathological liar as Bush or any other GOP shill?
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The site is no longer functioning. It is taking me five minutes or more to open a post. I simply can't continue if the site won't respond.
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You support your opinion with the "fact" you don't like my criticism.
Other interests besides the Republican Party may have an interest in squelching and discrediting dissent on 9/11. The military-industrial complex, for one.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
From the table above... 3. Invokes complex, unrealistic scenarios controlled by powerful forces behind the scenes.
Goldi works for a defense contractor. A couple of the posters on LP have revealed over the course of time that they work in the oil business. Another poster there contracts with the government to provide it information about individuals.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
...and brags about it!
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There's also the LF mod. He works for L-3 Communications aerospace and defense contractor. A constant Israeli shill. G-d Bless the Jewish war gods.
Nothing far fetched about the MIC. Even Eisenhower warned about the power. What is it with you? Do you believe everything the Goobers say? Such a state worshipper. I know, you're going to deny it. But, it's sad I got sucked into posting to you. You offer nothing constructive on any level and constantly disparage and badmouth all.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
The paranoid column reads exactly like your typical GOPER. The GOP is a party of enemies. Myriad enemies - everywhere. One long line of enemies out to "destroy America". Plotting and planning- for generations- to bring America to ruin. Saddam Hussein was going to kill us by the millions with his drones of death and nuke clouds. Liberals and leftists - secretly esconced everywhere want to destroy America and surrender to Moooslems. And of course the Moooslims want to rule the world (you can tell by all their foreign military bases and invasions of non moosslem lands). If not the Mooslims why it is the Spics- Cause some college kids who call themselves Aztlan want to "take over America". If not the spics- then the Chinks. "Red" China is coming to get us you see- they are planning something sneeky! Let's not forget the "Gays". The gays are trying to make our kids queermos- with their "Gay agenda". Tommorrow it will be Bantu tribesmen who are the "Threat". One absurd idiotic enemy after another and a laundry list of absurd conspiracies for each one.
LP loaded up with self interested tax eaters and parasites on the gubmint teet either directly or indirectly? Gee- why I am not surprised?
And you think that demonstrates there is some campaign by the military industrial complex to attack 9/11 conspiracy theories? I have to laugh at that one.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestI'm not a Republican.
#20. To: Mister Clean (#17)
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I'm not a Republican.
#21. To: ... (#16)
Please point out where I said that, or even implied that. You can't - but you know that.
#22. To: ... (#18)
You come from a group that admires scummy dishonesty if it fools the goobers into voting the way you want. But that doesn't sell with the rest of the country. This is why you guys are becoming known as the twenty-eight percenters.
#23. To: Mister Clean (#22)
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I have no idea what you're babbling about.
#24. To: ... (#23)
I think you are trying to avoid a discussion on the dishonesty of the GOP noise machine and the general FR style of propaganda.
#25. To: Mister Clean (#24)
I told you, I'm not a Republican.
#26. To: Mister Clean (#24)
I told you, I'm not a Republican.
#27. To: ... (#26)
You know you can't post a quote to support this
#28. To: ... (#26)
You know you can't post a quote to support this
#29. To: Mister Clean (#28)
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#30. To: ... (#29)
My opinion is that you are a Republican shill.
#31. To: Mister Clean (#0)
#32. To: Mister Clean (#30)
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Your narrow mind equates criticism of 911 "truth" with being a Republican.
#33. To: YertleTurtle (#31)
You know of course you're going to get your ass kicked by the believers in the black magic of remote-controlled airplanes, explosives hidden in towers, and brilliant but evil polymaths that no one can seem to find.
#34. To: ... (#32)
I offere some good support for my position.
#35. To: Mister Clean (#34)
You've only offered your opinion.
#36. To: YertleTurtle, cynicom (#31)
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You know of course you're going to get your ass kicked by the believers in the black magic
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#37. To: ... (#35)
Another mischaracterization that amounts to a knowing, deliberate, bald faced lie.
#38. To: Mister Clean (#37)
Are you so deluded that you consider your opinion to be fact?
#39. To: ... (#38)
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I believe it for the reasons I've cited above.
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#40. To: ... (#38)
why don't you attack the reasons I've cited for my opinion?
#41. To: ... (#38)
Instead of throwing shit - like a Freeper or other sort of GOP shill - why don't you attack the reasons I've cited for my opinion?
#42. To: Mister Clean (#41)
Just as Iraq war supporters accuse any critic of being a traitor, you accuse anyone who disagrees with you about 9/11 of being a Republican shill.
#43. To: Mister Clean (#41)
ust as Iraq war supporters accuse any critic of being a traitor, you accuse anyone who disagrees with you about 9/11 of being a Republican shill.
#44. To: ... (#42)
I've done a good job of supporting my opinion that you are a Republican shill.
#45. To: Mister Clean (#44)
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You've admitted that you believe I'm a Republican shill simply because I don't buy into your conspiracy theories.
#46. To: ... (#45)
Nope, that is not what I said and you know it.
#47. To: Mister Clean (#46)
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t is EXACTLY what you said:
#48. To: Mister Clean (#0)
#49. To: ... (#47)
"My opinion is that you are a Republican shill". And as I've noted many times above, I've supported this statement with facts.
#50. To: ... (#13)
#51. To: aristeides (#50)
Other interests besides the Republican Party may have an interest in squelching and discrediting dissent on 9/11. The military-industrial complex, for one.
#52. To: Mister Clean (#51)
#53. To: aristeides, Zipporah, ..., Brian S, Eoghan, ghostdogtxn, christine, Dakmar, Cynicom, swarthyguy, Ferret Mike, Mekons4, Minerva (#52)
Goldi works for a defense contractor. A couple of the posters on LP have revealed over the course of time that they work in the oil business. Another poster there contracts with the government to provide it information about individuals.
#54. To: robin (#53)
Goldi works for a defense contractor.
“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"
#55. To: Mister Clean (#51)
#56. To: robin (#53)
#57. To: ALL (#0)
#58. To: robin (#53)
Goldi works for a defense contractor. A couple of the posters on LP have revealed over the course of time that they work in the oil business. Another poster there contracts with the government to provide it information about individuals.
#59. To: aristeides (#52)
Goldi works for a defense contractor. A couple of the posters on LP have revealed over the course of time that they work in the oil business. Another poster there contracts with the government to provide it information about individuals.
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