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Title: The rational thinker versus the paranoid
Source:
Dr. Kenneth A. Rahn, Sr
URL Source: http://www.kenrahn.com/jfk/conspira ... l_thinker_versus_paranoid.html
Published: Aug 17, 2007
Author: Dr. Kenneth A. Rahn, Sr
Post Date: 2007-08-17 11:09:58 by Mister Clean
Keywords: paranoid, truther, neocons
Views: 879
Comments: 92
The rational thinker versus the paranoid Presented with the same evidence for a mystery, the rational thinker and the paranoid respond very differently. 1. Checks the evidence carefully and doesn’t rely on uncertain evidence 1. Grabs onto a few pieces of evidence and defends them inflexibly. 2. Doesn’t care which evidence he must let go. 2. Seemingly irrationally seizes onto something and won’t let go. 3. Seeks a realistic answer in simple and familiar processes. 3. Invokes complex, unrealistic scenarios controlled by powerful forces behind the scenes. 4. Accepts only what he can critically assess (falsifiable ideas). 4. Deals in explanations that can never be critically assessed (unfalsifiable theories). 5. Is willing to live with unresolved explanations for long periods. 5. Demands quick, even immediate explanations. 6. Accepts the roles of chance and human foibles. 6. Invents scenarios when nothing ever goes wrong. 7. Uses same rational approach in the rest of his life. 7. Approaches many other “events” in the same irrational, paranoid way. (i.e., both people are consistent across their lives.) 8. Finds empowering explanations. 8. Feels powerless before these huge forces (victims). 9. Accepts all demonstrated evidence. 9. Will not face evidence that destroys his theory. 10. Is willing to live with some fraction of unexplained or contradictory evidence. 10. Insists on fitting everything into his explanation, often by explaining difficult items as further evidence of conspiracy. 11. Tries to keep everything in proportion. 11. Often seizes single pieces of evidence and blows them out of proportion. 12. Will change ideas a new evidence emerges. 12. Sticks to preconceived notion regardless of new evidence. 13. Open, flexible, empowered, strong. 13. Preconceived, rigid, victimlike, cowardly. The rational thinker
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#33. To: YertleTurtle (#31)
I know they'll try but they will just be demonstrating the paranoid characteristics detailed in the table above.
You've only offered your opinion. An opinion that drips from a very narrow mind.
Another mischaracterization that amounts to a knowing, deliberate, bald faced lie. I have supported every statement I made above. But you know that. You just don't want others to know that.
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If that was the only thing he didn't believe in, he'd be fine. It's his support for globalism, amnesty, war on terror, REALID, Patriot Act, communism, and sniping that make him a buffoon. We can disagree on 9-11. He is the anti- thesis of Freedom4UM in every way, not just one. We're not talking about disagreeing on a couple things here. It's akin to someone not even speaking the same language.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition You say I'm a Republican shill. That's your narrow minded opinion. Are you so deluded that you consider your opinion to be fact? No wonder you believe in conspiracy theories.
Not deluded. I believe it for the reasons I've cited above. But these reasons are exactly what you are trying to obfuscate here with your Freeper style attack. Instead of throwing shit - like a Freeper or other sort of GOP shill - why don't you attack the reasons I've cited for my opinion?
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But these reasons are exactly what you are trying to obfuscate here with your Freeper style attack. Instead of throwing shit - like a Freeper or other sort of GOP shill - why don't you attack the reasons I've cited for my opinion? What's this? Logic??? LOL. [Can you imagine Kleenex boy trying to play chess or score on a debate team?!]
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition He does't do that. He won't answer your questions or address any of your points. He bitches about this place being like FR but it only seems to be that way when he is around.
Just as Iraq war supporters accuse any critic of being a traitor, you accuse anyone who disagrees with you about 9/11 of being a Republican shill. You are really fundamentally no different from a Republican shill as your mind is just as narrow.
You are really fundamentally no different from a Republican shill as your mind is just as narrow. Yawn. Same old tired Freeper tactic: When cornered, hurl monkey shit and try to change the subject. I've done a good job of supporting my opinion that you are a Republican shill. It's on the thread above. You toss monkey shit in response. Thank you for proving my point and confirming my opinion.
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You are really fundamentally no different from a Republican shill as your mind is just as narrow. Yawn.
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You've admitted that you believe I'm a Republican shill simply because I don't buy into your conspiracy theories. That's all.
That's all. Nope, that is not what I said and you know it. In fact your mischaracterization here is gross enough to constitute another knowing, deliberate, bald faced lie. I believe that makes 4 on this thread alone. I guess you can't refute the reasons for my opinion cited above. Hence, the hurling of feces and Freeper style dishonesty. Yawn. Come back when you lose the Rebublican shill tactics.
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It is EXACTLY what you said: "My opinion is that you are a Republican shill. My reason for thinking this is your very serious and determined attack on the 911 truthers." So as I said, you think I'm a Republican shill simply because I criticize "truthers."
"My opinion is that you are a Republican shill. My reason for thinking this is your very serious and determined attack on the 911 truthers." So as I said, you think I'm a Republican shill simply because I criticize "truthers." Here is what you claimed I said in post number 44 above: "You've admitted that you believe I'm a Republican shill simply because I don't buy into your conspiracy theories." I called you a bald faced liar in response. In the above post you try to save your ass by changing what you said in post #44, i.e. you suddenly quote me correctly: "My opinion is that you are a Republican shill". And as I've noted many times above, I've supported this statement with facts. You refuse to address these facts and instead resort to the type of dishonesty you just tried in post number 44 and in your post above. Why should I listen to a person who has proven themselves to be as big a pathological liar as Bush or any other GOP shill?
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The site is no longer functioning. It is taking me five minutes or more to open a post. I simply can't continue if the site won't respond.
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You support your opinion with the "fact" you don't like my criticism.
Other interests besides the Republican Party may have an interest in squelching and discrediting dissent on 9/11. The military-industrial complex, for one.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
From the table above... 3. Invokes complex, unrealistic scenarios controlled by powerful forces behind the scenes.
Goldi works for a defense contractor. A couple of the posters on LP have revealed over the course of time that they work in the oil business. Another poster there contracts with the government to provide it information about individuals.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
...and brags about it!
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There's also the LF mod. He works for L-3 Communications aerospace and defense contractor. A constant Israeli shill. G-d Bless the Jewish war gods.
Nothing far fetched about the MIC. Even Eisenhower warned about the power. What is it with you? Do you believe everything the Goobers say? Such a state worshipper. I know, you're going to deny it. But, it's sad I got sucked into posting to you. You offer nothing constructive on any level and constantly disparage and badmouth all.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
The paranoid column reads exactly like your typical GOPER. The GOP is a party of enemies. Myriad enemies - everywhere. One long line of enemies out to "destroy America". Plotting and planning- for generations- to bring America to ruin. Saddam Hussein was going to kill us by the millions with his drones of death and nuke clouds. Liberals and leftists - secretly esconced everywhere want to destroy America and surrender to Moooslems. And of course the Moooslims want to rule the world (you can tell by all their foreign military bases and invasions of non moosslem lands). If not the Mooslims why it is the Spics- Cause some college kids who call themselves Aztlan want to "take over America". If not the spics- then the Chinks. "Red" China is coming to get us you see- they are planning something sneeky! Let's not forget the "Gays". The gays are trying to make our kids queermos- with their "Gay agenda". Tommorrow it will be Bantu tribesmen who are the "Threat". One absurd idiotic enemy after another and a laundry list of absurd conspiracies for each one.
LP loaded up with self interested tax eaters and parasites on the gubmint teet either directly or indirectly? Gee- why I am not surprised?
And you think that demonstrates there is some campaign by the military industrial complex to attack 9/11 conspiracy theories? I have to laugh at that one.
I never said there was.
And exactly like the typical "truther."
But, it's sad I got sucked into posting to you. You offer nothing constructive on any level and constantly disparage and badmouth all. I've been seeing this new style of propaganda lately. Only a very small, hard core group of morons still thinks Bush is successful. And as these goobers arn't going anywhere, so they can be ignored. The GOP needs the moderates and Independents to win and they can only get these by distancing themselves from Bush. I think this is why every Freeper shill I see now claims to not support Bush. The goal of the GOP is to distance itself from Bush by 2008. They do not want to be the party that gave us Bush and the Iraq war when the next election rolls around. Secondly, I think the Republican Party has become synonymous with dishonest propaganda. A shill can't come off as a Republican without taking on the taint of Fox News, the New York Post, The Washington Times, Michael Savage, Limbaugh, Coulter and the rest of the dishonest crew. Moderates and Independents roll their eyes when these goob foolers open up. Hence, shill like O'Reilly and the rest claim to be independents. They need to distance themselves from the now discredited GOP shills that came before. So the question becomes, how do you shill for the GOP if you have to come off as an Independent who doesn't like Bush? Do as Mister Clean does. Don't take a positive stand on anything, but disparage anything that hurts the party. And disparage it in very vague terms that can be denied when challenged. The goal isn't to logically challenge rational people. The GOP knows it can't do this and it gave up on thinking people long ago. The real goal is to move the overton window in favor of an overbearing, parternalistic Republican theocratic government. The goal is to make questioning the official government stories on things such as 911 seem slightly dirty. Or to make wondering if there is really a problem with the credit markets seem slightly kookey. Or to make examination of anything that smacks of GOP failure somehow "wrong". The goal is to make the goobs think all is rosey and that only conspiracy nuts examine reality.
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I have to laugh at that one. No, but you are saying that and trying to make it look like that is what he said. And there is a term for what you are doing: Dishonest shilling.
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The real goal is to move the overton window in favor of an overbearing, parternalistic Republican theocratic government. You display the following paranoid behaviors... 3. Invokes complex, unrealistic scenarios controlled by powerful forces behind the scenes. 4. Deals in explanations that can never be critically assessed (unfalsifiable theories).
3. Invokes complex, unrealistic scenarios controlled by powerful forces behind the scenes. 4. Deals in explanations that can never be critically assessed (unfalsifiable theories). Thank you for admiting I was correct in my analysis. I note that you didn't address a single point I made above. You simply hurled feces and tried to change the subject to a trivial argument. This is Freeper talk for "Yes, you are correct, but I don't like it". If I was wrong in anything I said above, and you could prove it, you would have been all over it like stink on a monkey's butt. Instead, you try to divert the course of the discussion. ROTFLOL!!
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He suggested that the military industrial complex might be engaged in attackin 9/11 "truth."
I simply pointed out your paranoia.
That's exactly what I mean; as Bush mentioned once, crawdaddying all over the place. You derided what may be the motives and interests of the MIC in manipulating public information, yet you now claim that the MIC is not farfetched which was a reasonable inference from your citing that item from the list in the column. Just an aside, you may wish to reread the list; those who are investigating and digging into the lies around 11/9 actually fall more into the reasonable and rational columns than those who constantly disparage their quest for more information about the whole sordid episode. It's not as if you offer any defense of the Government approved Conspiracy Scenario, you just badmouth any efforts to investigate its veracity. It's a real juvenile method of interacting on internet forums, which as you maybe claimed are worthless and ineffectual, (don't want to make you deny something you never claimed, I don't, no sir) when your posting "style" just makes you a gadfly, akin to a fly in a room that one gets tired of trying to swat and then simply ignores, sometimes by putting a small piece of rotten fruit for it to alight upon, gorging itself and not buzzing around in irritating but ultimately harmless and thankfully ineffectual motions.
I simply pointed out your paranoia. I presented an argument that characterized you. You didn't address a single point I made. Instead, you tossed out childish insults and tried to change the subject. This says that you don't have a counter argument and that I am correct. Your silly Freeper attack proves this out. But you know that. You just don't want the people you are trying to fool to know that.
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There is no conflict in acknowledging the existence of the military industrial complex and ridiculing the noting that they could be trying to attack 9/11 "truth" on Internet message boards. The "truth" movement is full of morons and clowns who discredit themselves far more effectively than some organized campaign could.
You present this as a cold fact. Please cite your support for this "fact". I think you are telling us another whopper. Prove me wrong.
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Well, then, what're you doing? Dismembering the discredited 911 movement. What're you afraid of...it'll have some Jesus like resurrection and return from the dead. Will it attack like a reborn zombie? He, you seem awfully concerned about a movement that's on it's last legs. Thing is, you guys can't even leave well enough alone - the 119 Official Story has been enshrined - the Cover Up worked - yet you still get your knickers in a twist about a few "oddball" websites that deride the Party Line. So, if it's that stupid a movement, why bother to discredit it anymore. Consider that antics like yours lend credence that even after 6 years, the mere shining of any light upon the events causes you enough concern that you have to go after the guys holding the flashlight.
Good point. I am very suspicious of anyone who seems to devote their entire posting life to stopping people from fact checking a government story. And that is what this guy does - just call up his posts to verify this. It makes me wonder what the stake is here. Who is hurt by questioning the government line on the 911 story? And note that this isn't just a game as the guy claims. He's a bit too dedicated and a bit too humorless in the task for that.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestYou know of course you're going to get your ass kicked by the believers in the black magic of remote-controlled airplanes, explosives hidden in towers, and brilliant but evil polymaths that no one can seem to find.
#34. To: ... (#32)
I offere some good support for my position.
#35. To: Mister Clean (#34)
You've only offered your opinion.
#36. To: YertleTurtle, cynicom (#31)
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You know of course you're going to get your ass kicked by the believers in the black magic
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#37. To: ... (#35)
Another mischaracterization that amounts to a knowing, deliberate, bald faced lie.
#38. To: Mister Clean (#37)
Are you so deluded that you consider your opinion to be fact?
#39. To: ... (#38)
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I believe it for the reasons I've cited above.
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#40. To: ... (#38)
why don't you attack the reasons I've cited for my opinion?
#41. To: ... (#38)
Instead of throwing shit - like a Freeper or other sort of GOP shill - why don't you attack the reasons I've cited for my opinion?
#42. To: Mister Clean (#41)
Just as Iraq war supporters accuse any critic of being a traitor, you accuse anyone who disagrees with you about 9/11 of being a Republican shill.
#43. To: Mister Clean (#41)
ust as Iraq war supporters accuse any critic of being a traitor, you accuse anyone who disagrees with you about 9/11 of being a Republican shill.
#44. To: ... (#42)
I've done a good job of supporting my opinion that you are a Republican shill.
#45. To: Mister Clean (#44)
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You've admitted that you believe I'm a Republican shill simply because I don't buy into your conspiracy theories.
#46. To: ... (#45)
Nope, that is not what I said and you know it.
#47. To: Mister Clean (#46)
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t is EXACTLY what you said:
#48. To: Mister Clean (#0)
#49. To: ... (#47)
"My opinion is that you are a Republican shill". And as I've noted many times above, I've supported this statement with facts.
#50. To: ... (#13)
#51. To: aristeides (#50)
Other interests besides the Republican Party may have an interest in squelching and discrediting dissent on 9/11. The military-industrial complex, for one.
#52. To: Mister Clean (#51)
#53. To: aristeides, Zipporah, ..., Brian S, Eoghan, ghostdogtxn, christine, Dakmar, Cynicom, swarthyguy, Ferret Mike, Mekons4, Minerva (#52)
Goldi works for a defense contractor. A couple of the posters on LP have revealed over the course of time that they work in the oil business. Another poster there contracts with the government to provide it information about individuals.
#54. To: robin (#53)
Goldi works for a defense contractor.
“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"
#55. To: Mister Clean (#51)
#56. To: robin (#53)
#57. To: ALL (#0)
#58. To: robin (#53)
Goldi works for a defense contractor. A couple of the posters on LP have revealed over the course of time that they work in the oil business. Another poster there contracts with the government to provide it information about individuals.
#59. To: aristeides (#52)
Goldi works for a defense contractor. A couple of the posters on LP have revealed over the course of time that they work in the oil business. Another poster there contracts with the government to provide it information about individuals.
#60. To: swarthyguy (#55)
Nothing far fetched about the MIC.
#61. To: Burkeman1 (#57)
The paranoid column reads exactly like your typical GOPER.
#62. To: swarthyguy (#55)
know, you're going to deny it.
#63. To: Mister Clean (#59)
And you think that demonstrates there is some campaign by the military industrial complex to attack 9/11 conspiracy theories?
#64. To: ... (#62)
Do as Mister Clean does. Don't take a positive stand on anything, but disparage anything that hurts the party. And disparage it in very vague terms that can be denied when challenged. The goal isn't to logically challenge rational people. The GOP knows it can't do this and it gave up on thinking people long ago.
#65. To: Mister Clean (#64)
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You display the following paranoid behaviors...
#66. To: ... (#63)
No, but you are saying that and trying to make it look like that is what he said.
#67. To: ... (#65)
Thank you for admiting I was correct in my analysis.
#68. To: Mister Clean (#60)
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#69. To: Mister Clean (#67)
Thank you for admiting I was correct in my analysis.
#70. To: swarthyguy (#68)
That's exactly what I mean; as Bush mentioned once, crawdaddying all over the place. You derided the what may be the motives and interests of the MIC in manipulating public information, yet you now claim that the MIC is not farfetched which was a reasonable inference from your citing that item from the list in the column.
#71. To: Mister Clean (#70)
The "truth" movement is full of morons and clowns who discredit themselves far more effectively than some organized campaign could.
#72. To: Mister Clean (#70)
#73. To: swarthyguy (#72)
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