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Title: The rational thinker versus the paranoid
Source:
Dr. Kenneth A. Rahn, Sr
URL Source: http://www.kenrahn.com/jfk/conspira ... l_thinker_versus_paranoid.html
Published: Aug 17, 2007
Author: Dr. Kenneth A. Rahn, Sr
Post Date: 2007-08-17 11:09:58 by Mister Clean
Keywords: paranoid, truther, neocons
Views: 883
Comments: 92
The rational thinker versus the paranoid Presented with the same evidence for a mystery, the rational thinker and the paranoid respond very differently. 1. Checks the evidence carefully and doesn’t rely on uncertain evidence 1. Grabs onto a few pieces of evidence and defends them inflexibly. 2. Doesn’t care which evidence he must let go. 2. Seemingly irrationally seizes onto something and won’t let go. 3. Seeks a realistic answer in simple and familiar processes. 3. Invokes complex, unrealistic scenarios controlled by powerful forces behind the scenes. 4. Accepts only what he can critically assess (falsifiable ideas). 4. Deals in explanations that can never be critically assessed (unfalsifiable theories). 5. Is willing to live with unresolved explanations for long periods. 5. Demands quick, even immediate explanations. 6. Accepts the roles of chance and human foibles. 6. Invents scenarios when nothing ever goes wrong. 7. Uses same rational approach in the rest of his life. 7. Approaches many other “events” in the same irrational, paranoid way. (i.e., both people are consistent across their lives.) 8. Finds empowering explanations. 8. Feels powerless before these huge forces (victims). 9. Accepts all demonstrated evidence. 9. Will not face evidence that destroys his theory. 10. Is willing to live with some fraction of unexplained or contradictory evidence. 10. Insists on fitting everything into his explanation, often by explaining difficult items as further evidence of conspiracy. 11. Tries to keep everything in proportion. 11. Often seizes single pieces of evidence and blows them out of proportion. 12. Will change ideas a new evidence emerges. 12. Sticks to preconceived notion regardless of new evidence. 13. Open, flexible, empowered, strong. 13. Preconceived, rigid, victimlike, cowardly. The rational thinker
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#52. To: Mister Clean (#51)
Goldi works for a defense contractor. A couple of the posters on LP have revealed over the course of time that they work in the oil business. Another poster there contracts with the government to provide it information about individuals.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
...and brags about it!
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There's also the LF mod. He works for L-3 Communications aerospace and defense contractor. A constant Israeli shill. G-d Bless the Jewish war gods.
Nothing far fetched about the MIC. Even Eisenhower warned about the power. What is it with you? Do you believe everything the Goobers say? Such a state worshipper. I know, you're going to deny it. But, it's sad I got sucked into posting to you. You offer nothing constructive on any level and constantly disparage and badmouth all.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
The paranoid column reads exactly like your typical GOPER. The GOP is a party of enemies. Myriad enemies - everywhere. One long line of enemies out to "destroy America". Plotting and planning- for generations- to bring America to ruin. Saddam Hussein was going to kill us by the millions with his drones of death and nuke clouds. Liberals and leftists - secretly esconced everywhere want to destroy America and surrender to Moooslems. And of course the Moooslims want to rule the world (you can tell by all their foreign military bases and invasions of non moosslem lands). If not the Mooslims why it is the Spics- Cause some college kids who call themselves Aztlan want to "take over America". If not the spics- then the Chinks. "Red" China is coming to get us you see- they are planning something sneeky! Let's not forget the "Gays". The gays are trying to make our kids queermos- with their "Gay agenda". Tommorrow it will be Bantu tribesmen who are the "Threat". One absurd idiotic enemy after another and a laundry list of absurd conspiracies for each one.
LP loaded up with self interested tax eaters and parasites on the gubmint teet either directly or indirectly? Gee- why I am not surprised?
And you think that demonstrates there is some campaign by the military industrial complex to attack 9/11 conspiracy theories? I have to laugh at that one.
I never said there was.
And exactly like the typical "truther."
But, it's sad I got sucked into posting to you. You offer nothing constructive on any level and constantly disparage and badmouth all. I've been seeing this new style of propaganda lately. Only a very small, hard core group of morons still thinks Bush is successful. And as these goobers arn't going anywhere, so they can be ignored. The GOP needs the moderates and Independents to win and they can only get these by distancing themselves from Bush. I think this is why every Freeper shill I see now claims to not support Bush. The goal of the GOP is to distance itself from Bush by 2008. They do not want to be the party that gave us Bush and the Iraq war when the next election rolls around. Secondly, I think the Republican Party has become synonymous with dishonest propaganda. A shill can't come off as a Republican without taking on the taint of Fox News, the New York Post, The Washington Times, Michael Savage, Limbaugh, Coulter and the rest of the dishonest crew. Moderates and Independents roll their eyes when these goob foolers open up. Hence, shill like O'Reilly and the rest claim to be independents. They need to distance themselves from the now discredited GOP shills that came before. So the question becomes, how do you shill for the GOP if you have to come off as an Independent who doesn't like Bush? Do as Mister Clean does. Don't take a positive stand on anything, but disparage anything that hurts the party. And disparage it in very vague terms that can be denied when challenged. The goal isn't to logically challenge rational people. The GOP knows it can't do this and it gave up on thinking people long ago. The real goal is to move the overton window in favor of an overbearing, parternalistic Republican theocratic government. The goal is to make questioning the official government stories on things such as 911 seem slightly dirty. Or to make wondering if there is really a problem with the credit markets seem slightly kookey. Or to make examination of anything that smacks of GOP failure somehow "wrong". The goal is to make the goobs think all is rosey and that only conspiracy nuts examine reality.
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I have to laugh at that one. No, but you are saying that and trying to make it look like that is what he said. And there is a term for what you are doing: Dishonest shilling.
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The real goal is to move the overton window in favor of an overbearing, parternalistic Republican theocratic government. You display the following paranoid behaviors... 3. Invokes complex, unrealistic scenarios controlled by powerful forces behind the scenes. 4. Deals in explanations that can never be critically assessed (unfalsifiable theories).
3. Invokes complex, unrealistic scenarios controlled by powerful forces behind the scenes. 4. Deals in explanations that can never be critically assessed (unfalsifiable theories). Thank you for admiting I was correct in my analysis. I note that you didn't address a single point I made above. You simply hurled feces and tried to change the subject to a trivial argument. This is Freeper talk for "Yes, you are correct, but I don't like it". If I was wrong in anything I said above, and you could prove it, you would have been all over it like stink on a monkey's butt. Instead, you try to divert the course of the discussion. ROTFLOL!!
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He suggested that the military industrial complex might be engaged in attackin 9/11 "truth."
I simply pointed out your paranoia.
That's exactly what I mean; as Bush mentioned once, crawdaddying all over the place. You derided what may be the motives and interests of the MIC in manipulating public information, yet you now claim that the MIC is not farfetched which was a reasonable inference from your citing that item from the list in the column. Just an aside, you may wish to reread the list; those who are investigating and digging into the lies around 11/9 actually fall more into the reasonable and rational columns than those who constantly disparage their quest for more information about the whole sordid episode. It's not as if you offer any defense of the Government approved Conspiracy Scenario, you just badmouth any efforts to investigate its veracity. It's a real juvenile method of interacting on internet forums, which as you maybe claimed are worthless and ineffectual, (don't want to make you deny something you never claimed, I don't, no sir) when your posting "style" just makes you a gadfly, akin to a fly in a room that one gets tired of trying to swat and then simply ignores, sometimes by putting a small piece of rotten fruit for it to alight upon, gorging itself and not buzzing around in irritating but ultimately harmless and thankfully ineffectual motions.
I simply pointed out your paranoia. I presented an argument that characterized you. You didn't address a single point I made. Instead, you tossed out childish insults and tried to change the subject. This says that you don't have a counter argument and that I am correct. Your silly Freeper attack proves this out. But you know that. You just don't want the people you are trying to fool to know that.
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There is no conflict in acknowledging the existence of the military industrial complex and ridiculing the noting that they could be trying to attack 9/11 "truth" on Internet message boards. The "truth" movement is full of morons and clowns who discredit themselves far more effectively than some organized campaign could.
You present this as a cold fact. Please cite your support for this "fact". I think you are telling us another whopper. Prove me wrong.
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Well, then, what're you doing? Dismembering the discredited 911 movement. What're you afraid of...it'll have some Jesus like resurrection and return from the dead. Will it attack like a reborn zombie? He, you seem awfully concerned about a movement that's on it's last legs. Thing is, you guys can't even leave well enough alone - the 119 Official Story has been enshrined - the Cover Up worked - yet you still get your knickers in a twist about a few "oddball" websites that deride the Party Line. So, if it's that stupid a movement, why bother to discredit it anymore. Consider that antics like yours lend credence that even after 6 years, the mere shining of any light upon the events causes you enough concern that you have to go after the guys holding the flashlight.
Good point. I am very suspicious of anyone who seems to devote their entire posting life to stopping people from fact checking a government story. And that is what this guy does - just call up his posts to verify this. It makes me wonder what the stake is here. Who is hurt by questioning the government line on the 911 story? And note that this isn't just a game as the guy claims. He's a bit too dedicated and a bit too humorless in the task for that.
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Fucking Bush for starters. Humorless, single minded, using slippery rhetoric to imply without saying and then deny the common sense inference of his statements. Reminds me of some other types without the verbiage, the asking for sources and general contempt for anything questioning the official line, which though never explicitly supported is always the base and starting point ofany responses or so called rebuttals. And the putting of words into peoples mouths.
Alex Jones, the "Loose Change" boys, http://"WeAreChange.org" are 3 big time clown groups. Then of course there are the people who think there were no planes or that the planes had "pods" on them. The people who think the phone calls were faked using voice morphing technology. There is a strain of antisemitism in the "truth" movement as well which serves to discredit the "movement." See my post, "The Yoda of 9/11" for more.
Full size R/C aircraft have been around since WWII. What do you think a cruise missile or remote drone is? Or maybe all those toy R/C planes at the local hobby shop are just figments of my imagination. Funny thing. I've seen plenty of guys off the side of the road with the sign that reads "The world ends Tomorrow." A nut? maybe, but I've never seen the amount of time and effort expended on him to prove him wrong that I have on those who question FEDGOV's 9/11 fairy tail.
"The more I see of life, the less I fear death" - Me.
I'm trying to "wake people up" to the lunacy known as the 9/11 "truth" movement.
Consider us "awakened". Now, where's that damn snooze button. As they used to say on another website, he has an agenda. Why not just ignore the movement if they're the lunatic nuts you attest. Giving them attention helps them grow. Why're you helping the Truthers?
Or those drones Saddam was seconds away from releasing.
" Junk is the ideal product... the ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy." - William S Burroughs
Or those drones Saddam was seconds away from releasing. Hmmmm...maybe some kooks are more equal than others. I'd love to go back in time with a mind control ray and have Bush Jr. declare on 9/12/01 that the terror attacks were done by the XXTEHBNEHEH race and their death ray laser they built on mars. I'd do it just to see how many sheeple would support it and call anyone who opposed invading mars an America hater. On a side note Mister Clean must be an ex or current FReeker. Back when I used to post there they used to boast about taunting the folks at DU by saying all sorts of nasty things and then adding "Bush and the GOP sucks" at the end to keep the post from getting nuked.
"The more I see of life, the less I fear death" - Me.
I don't follow any of these shills too close, but someone (Cynicon?) suggested MC is sinkspur, so I flat out asked him 45 min ago or so. I'll not sleep until I get an honest answer... zzzzzzzzz
" Junk is the ideal product... the ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy." - William S Burroughs
Wrong.
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Oh, I get it. You're Frank Booth, aren't you?
" Junk is the ideal product... the ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy." - William S Burroughs
Did you play with Arthur Miller dolls as a child?
" Junk is the ideal product... the ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy." - William S Burroughs
You present this as a stone cold fact. Got any support for this "fact"? Or are you just telling us another one of your whoppers? How many times have I caught you out in a bald faced lie today alone? Is it four of five? I've lost count. But it doesn't matter. For the sake of argument, lets just say it's one time. Given that I've proven you to be dishonest once today, why should I accept any of your silly unsupported statements?
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Wrong. Which is exactly what FReekers said on DU when spamming over there. "Why, I hate Bush Jr. and the GOP! Now, watch as I spam lame hit pieces that attack your beliefs and even common sense. But remember I think the GOP and Bush sucks!" FR hated DU and attacked it every chance it got and visa-versa. What is it about people that question 9/11 that makes you hate them so much?
"The more I see of life, the less I fear death" - Me.
I guess that guy is Osama?
"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men" Plato
You should team up with AKA Stone. He is an obsessed kook too. He could teach you how to be obsessed with Jesus and queers and you could teach him how to be obseesed with 911 Truthers. It would broaden both of your horizons. You can find him over on FU. Ponchy is there too. He is another kook you might have a lot in common with.
Bunch of internet bums ... grand jury --- opium den ! ~ byeltsin
Kooks believe in 911 conspiracy theories. Kooks believe wallow in doom & gloom and get excited over bad news.
You mistake ridicule for hate.
#53. To: aristeides, Zipporah, ..., Brian S, Eoghan, ghostdogtxn, christine, Dakmar, Cynicom, swarthyguy, Ferret Mike, Mekons4, Minerva (#52)
Goldi works for a defense contractor. A couple of the posters on LP have revealed over the course of time that they work in the oil business. Another poster there contracts with the government to provide it information about individuals.
#54. To: robin (#53)
Goldi works for a defense contractor.
“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"
#55. To: Mister Clean (#51)
#56. To: robin (#53)
#57. To: ALL (#0)
#58. To: robin (#53)
Goldi works for a defense contractor. A couple of the posters on LP have revealed over the course of time that they work in the oil business. Another poster there contracts with the government to provide it information about individuals.
#59. To: aristeides (#52)
Goldi works for a defense contractor. A couple of the posters on LP have revealed over the course of time that they work in the oil business. Another poster there contracts with the government to provide it information about individuals.
#60. To: swarthyguy (#55)
Nothing far fetched about the MIC.
#61. To: Burkeman1 (#57)
The paranoid column reads exactly like your typical GOPER.
#62. To: swarthyguy (#55)
know, you're going to deny it.
#63. To: Mister Clean (#59)
And you think that demonstrates there is some campaign by the military industrial complex to attack 9/11 conspiracy theories?
#64. To: ... (#62)
Do as Mister Clean does. Don't take a positive stand on anything, but disparage anything that hurts the party. And disparage it in very vague terms that can be denied when challenged. The goal isn't to logically challenge rational people. The GOP knows it can't do this and it gave up on thinking people long ago.
#65. To: Mister Clean (#64)
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You display the following paranoid behaviors...
#66. To: ... (#63)
No, but you are saying that and trying to make it look like that is what he said.
#67. To: ... (#65)
Thank you for admiting I was correct in my analysis.
#68. To: Mister Clean (#60)
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#69. To: Mister Clean (#67)
Thank you for admiting I was correct in my analysis.
#70. To: swarthyguy (#68)
That's exactly what I mean; as Bush mentioned once, crawdaddying all over the place. You derided the what may be the motives and interests of the MIC in manipulating public information, yet you now claim that the MIC is not farfetched which was a reasonable inference from your citing that item from the list in the column.
#71. To: Mister Clean (#70)
The "truth" movement is full of morons and clowns who discredit themselves far more effectively than some organized campaign could.
#72. To: Mister Clean (#70)
#73. To: swarthyguy (#72)
#74. To: ... (#73)
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Who is hurt by questioning the government line on the 911 story?
#75. To: ... (#71)
Please cite your support for this "fact".
#76. To: YertleTurtle (#31)
You know of course you're going to get your ass kicked by the believers in the black magic of remote-controlled airplanes...
#77. To: swarthyguy (#72)
So, if it's that stupid a movement, why bother to discredit it anymore.
#78. To: Mister Clean (#77)
#79. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#76)
Or maybe all those toy R/C planes at the local hobby shop are just figments of my imagination.
#80. To: Dakmar (#79)
Or maybe all those toy R/C planes at the local hobby shop are just figments of my imagination.
#81. To: Pissed Off Janitor, cynicom, Mister clean x (#80)
#82. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#80)
On a side note Mister Clean must be an ex or current FReeker.
#83. To: Dakmar (#81)
Mister clean x
#84. To: Dakmar (#81)
but someone (Cynicon?) suggested MC is sinkspur, so I flat out asked him 45 min ago or so.
#85. To: Mister Clean (#82)
Wrong.
#86. To: Mister Clean (#84)
#87. To: Mister Clean (#75)
lex Jones, the "Loose Change" boys, http://"WeAreChange.org" are 3 big time clown groups.
#88. To: Mister Clean (#82)
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On a side note Mister Clean must be an ex or current FReeker.
#89. To: YertleTurtle (#31)
and brilliant but evil polymaths that no one can seem to find.
#90. To: Mister Clean (#84)
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#91. To: Minerva (#90)
You should team up with AKA Stone. He is an obsessed kook too.
#92. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#88)
What is it about people that question 9/11 that makes you hate them so much?
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