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Title: The rational thinker versus the paranoid
Source:
Dr. Kenneth A. Rahn, Sr
URL Source: http://www.kenrahn.com/jfk/conspira ... l_thinker_versus_paranoid.html
Published: Aug 17, 2007
Author: Dr. Kenneth A. Rahn, Sr
Post Date: 2007-08-17 11:09:58 by Mister Clean
Keywords: paranoid, truther, neocons
Views: 723
Comments: 92
The rational thinker versus the paranoid Presented with the same evidence for a mystery, the rational thinker and the paranoid respond very differently. 1. Checks the evidence carefully and doesn’t rely on uncertain evidence 1. Grabs onto a few pieces of evidence and defends them inflexibly. 2. Doesn’t care which evidence he must let go. 2. Seemingly irrationally seizes onto something and won’t let go. 3. Seeks a realistic answer in simple and familiar processes. 3. Invokes complex, unrealistic scenarios controlled by powerful forces behind the scenes. 4. Accepts only what he can critically assess (falsifiable ideas). 4. Deals in explanations that can never be critically assessed (unfalsifiable theories). 5. Is willing to live with unresolved explanations for long periods. 5. Demands quick, even immediate explanations. 6. Accepts the roles of chance and human foibles. 6. Invents scenarios when nothing ever goes wrong. 7. Uses same rational approach in the rest of his life. 7. Approaches many other “events” in the same irrational, paranoid way. (i.e., both people are consistent across their lives.) 8. Finds empowering explanations. 8. Feels powerless before these huge forces (victims). 9. Accepts all demonstrated evidence. 9. Will not face evidence that destroys his theory. 10. Is willing to live with some fraction of unexplained or contradictory evidence. 10. Insists on fitting everything into his explanation, often by explaining difficult items as further evidence of conspiracy. 11. Tries to keep everything in proportion. 11. Often seizes single pieces of evidence and blows them out of proportion. 12. Will change ideas a new evidence emerges. 12. Sticks to preconceived notion regardless of new evidence. 13. Open, flexible, empowered, strong. 13. Preconceived, rigid, victimlike, cowardly. The rational thinker
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It is quite remarkable how both "truthers" and neocons are so alike in their paranoia.
The rational thinker also gets all of his facts from Fox News, the New York Post, the Washington Times, the WSJ Editorial Page, AM Radio and other GOP controlled information outlets. And anything thing else is a "conspiracy". Don't you agree?
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These are essentially premises outlined in Mein Kampf. Why is Dr. Rahn being given credit? Is he a self-hater? Paging Bill Buckley. Law Enforcement Against Prohibition Don't you agree? I would say that the rational thinker gets his facts from a wide variety of news and information sources. It is the neocon paranoid who gets his facts exclusively from the sources you cite. And the "truther" paranoid gets his facts from similar group of narrowly defined sources. See, the amazing thing about the table above is how it demonstrates that neocons and "truther" types make up the two sides of the paranoid coin.
Now you're here to tell us you've read Mein Kampf? Before I flick the Bozo switch?
I didn't say a word about neo-cons, and the sources I cited above don't target neo-cons. They target Republicans. Given this, and given what you said above, I would say that Truthers and Republicans are two sides of the same paranoid coin. Your efforts to distance your party from the party head, George W. Bush, for the purpose of the upcoming election are very transparent. Were it not for their enablers the Republicans, the neo-cons would not exist - but you know this.
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Flick the bozo switch for all I care I'm not interested in talking about Mein Kampf.
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Ah, I see you're another Freeper-like poster who thinks I'm a Bush supporter because I criticize "truthers." Just as Freepers attack Bush critics as liberal al-Qaeda supporters, you attack me as a Bush supporter because I mock 9/11 "truth" paranoia. You fit nicely upon that paranoid coin.
Sink, by my realistic calculation, totally unbiased, you fall into every category on the right hand side. Hey, you posted it and it is self descriptive of you.
I don't believe in 9/11 conspiracy theories OR al-Qaeda conspiracy theories.
A couple of observations here. You are obviously obsessed with the 911 truth movement. I say this because I see you spending hours on line every day shilling the Republican talking points on this subject. No other proof is necessary. If you doubt me, just call up your posts here. Given that this dedicated shilling for the GOP side of the arguments exists, and it does, my question is why? Why should you care if people question what the government tells them? This seems very healtyth to me and I actively encourage it. If the government tells me something, I try to verify it before swallowing it - because I have caught them lying to me in the past. From my perspective, it seems the more eyes on this matter the better. I am very happy to see people questioning every single ascpect of the event. There are some fishey parts of the story. Are you pushing the theory that the goverment must be trusted in all cases and that fact checking is evil? Or are you worried that this fact checking might injure the Repulbican Party in the upcoming elections - the party you obviously shill for. Your crap about this just being entertainment is obviously false. You invest too much time and effort in it for that. You lack the sense of irony and humor that others exhibit when they are just having fun. You are obviously dead serious about your shilling. Give the above, it's pretty clear that you oppose the 911 truth movement because it harms the Republican Party.
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When you corner a wingnut (or a Freeper) with facts, they go personal - as you just did here. Thank you for admitting that I was correct in my post above. Let me add that you are a bald faced liar as well. Re-read my post and point to where I called you a Bush supporter. You can't - but you know that. In fact, I noted that you are now trying to distance your party from Bush with your shilling. Your dishonesty is so predictable.
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So one is either with the "truthers" or against them, eh? I'm sure you are completely unaware how much you sound like they typical Bush/GOP/neocon moron.
You are a deliberate, knowing liar. Please point out where I said that, or even implied that. You can't - but you know that. Your dishonesty is so predictable.
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I'm not a Republican. Simple as that.
Let me give you some advice: You come from a group that admires scummy dishonesty if it fools the goobers into voting the way you want. But that doesn't sell with the rest of the country. This is why you guys are becoming known as the twenty-eight percenters.
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You are a certified wingnut, you were at Freakville and you are here.
Neither is Hannity, O'Reilly or Badeye. No shill can announce themselves as a member of the party and be credible. But you know that. Besides, you've already been caught out in a couple of lies on just this thread alone. Never mind the others. So why should I believe a word you say?
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It's obvious that you perceive criticism of the "truth" movement as "shilling" for the GOP.
I have no idea what you're babbling about.
Yes you do. You just don't have an answer for it. I think you are trying to avoid a discussion on the dishonesty of the GOP noise machine and the general FR style of propaganda. It doesn't bode well for you.
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I told you, I'm not a Republican. Your problem is that you can't deal with independent criticism of idiotic conspiracy theories. In your small mind, anyone who doubts 9/11 "truth" is a Republican.
Are too. You know what happens to little boys that tell fibs?
And I told you that no shill worth his salt admits to party affilitation - see the thread above. You ignored this point and tried to run over it as if it were very inconvenient to you. You do agree that no shill would ever admit to being a member of the party he shills for don't you? Doesn't O'Reilly claim to be an Indpenedent even though his Republican voter registration circulates on the internet? Your problem is that you can't deal with independent criticism of idiotic conspiracy theories. You know you can't post a quote to support this and I would go so far as to say this is the third knowing, bald faced lie that you have pushed on this thread alone. Read my post above. I said I approve of people fact checking the government. I didn't favor any result in the fact checking. But you know this. You just don't want other people reading the thread to know this. In your small mind, anyone who doubts 9/11 "truth" is a Republican. So again I win the argument. The cornered wingnut once more begins hurling feces when argument fails him. Let me add that this too is a knowing, bald faced lie. You can't post a link to back up your freeper style smear here. But you know that. As you know, and as you don't want others who read this thread to know, I commented on the motives that you - you and not the world at large - exhibit in your obesssive quest against the 911 people questioning the goverment. But you know this. You just don't want others to know this.
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I don't need to repost your quotes accusing me of being a Republican shill because I challenge some stupid conspiracy theory, they're all over this thread. That fact that you knee-jerk label me a Republican shill because I dare to ridicule 9/11 "truth" is all the evidence necessary to conclude you have a very narrow mind. You equate criticism of 9/11 "truth" with being a Republican and that's just plain stupid.
I don't need to repost your quotes accusing me of being a Republican shill because I challenge some stupid conspiracy theory, they're all over this thread. That fact that you knee-jerk label me a Republican shill because I dare to ridicule 9/11 "truth" is all the evidence necessary to conclude you have a very narrow mind. You equate criticism of 9/11 "truth" with being a Republican and that's just plain stupid. You characterize point #2 from the table above... 2. Seemingly irrationally seizes onto something and won’t let go.
My opinion is that you are a Republican shill. My reason for thinking this is your very serious and determined attack on the 911 truthers. And your dishonesty about this just being a game for you - and I've supported this further up on the thread. I am also of the opinion that you are a Freeper. I have two reasons for thinking this: First, you are very dishonest in your arguments. You will lie at the drop of a hat as long as the lie furthers your cause. Freepers and hard core Republicans are the only people I have ever seen embrace this sort of pathological dishonesty. You have been caught out in lies several times on this thread alone. Secondly, when pressed with an inconvenient fact, you immediately go personal and begin smearing like a Fox News shill - or a freeper. (Note that I've highlighted your Freeper style smear tactics at several points on the thread above - so please don't start your "quote me" game .... again.) The only other thing lacking in your Republican credentials is a gay lover. So if it looks like a duck, walks like a ducka nd quacks like a duck, I am disinclined to believe your wild conspiracy theories about the duck being some sort of independent thinker.
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My reason for thinking this is your very serious and determined attack on the 911 truthers. Yes, I know. Your narrow mind equates criticism of 911 "truth" with being a Republican.
You know of course you're going to get your ass kicked by the believers in the black magic of remote-controlled airplanes, explosives hidden in towers, and brilliant but evil polymaths that no one can seem to find.
“When I am the weaker, I ask you for my freedom, because that is your principle; but when I am the stronger, I take away your freedom, because that is my principle.”-Louis Veuillot
I offered some good support for my position. You respond by hurling monkey shit like a Freeper or other species of Republican shill. Thank you for proving my point. By the way, as I noted above, your mischaracterization of my position here is a bald faced lie. A knowing, deliberate bald faced lie on your part.
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I know they'll try but they will just be demonstrating the paranoid characteristics detailed in the table above.
You've only offered your opinion. An opinion that drips from a very narrow mind.
Another mischaracterization that amounts to a knowing, deliberate, bald faced lie. I have supported every statement I made above. But you know that. You just don't want others to know that.
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If that was the only thing he didn't believe in, he'd be fine. It's his support for globalism, amnesty, war on terror, REALID, Patriot Act, communism, and sniping that make him a buffoon. We can disagree on 9-11. He is the anti- thesis of Freedom4UM in every way, not just one. We're not talking about disagreeing on a couple things here. It's akin to someone not even speaking the same language.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition You say I'm a Republican shill. That's your narrow minded opinion. Are you so deluded that you consider your opinion to be fact? No wonder you believe in conspiracy theories.
Not deluded. I believe it for the reasons I've cited above. But these reasons are exactly what you are trying to obfuscate here with your Freeper style attack. Instead of throwing shit - like a Freeper or other sort of GOP shill - why don't you attack the reasons I've cited for my opinion?
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But these reasons are exactly what you are trying to obfuscate here with your Freeper style attack. Instead of throwing shit - like a Freeper or other sort of GOP shill - why don't you attack the reasons I've cited for my opinion? What's this? Logic??? LOL. [Can you imagine Kleenex boy trying to play chess or score on a debate team?!]
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition He does't do that. He won't answer your questions or address any of your points. He bitches about this place being like FR but it only seems to be that way when he is around.
Just as Iraq war supporters accuse any critic of being a traitor, you accuse anyone who disagrees with you about 9/11 of being a Republican shill. You are really fundamentally no different from a Republican shill as your mind is just as narrow.
You are really fundamentally no different from a Republican shill as your mind is just as narrow. Yawn. Same old tired Freeper tactic: When cornered, hurl monkey shit and try to change the subject. I've done a good job of supporting my opinion that you are a Republican shill. It's on the thread above. You toss monkey shit in response. Thank you for proving my point and confirming my opinion.
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You are really fundamentally no different from a Republican shill as your mind is just as narrow. Yawn.
Bunch of internet bums ... grand jury --- opium den ! ~ byeltsin
You've admitted that you believe I'm a Republican shill simply because I don't buy into your conspiracy theories. That's all.
That's all. Nope, that is not what I said and you know it. In fact your mischaracterization here is gross enough to constitute another knowing, deliberate, bald faced lie. I believe that makes 4 on this thread alone. I guess you can't refute the reasons for my opinion cited above. Hence, the hurling of feces and Freeper style dishonesty. Yawn. Come back when you lose the Rebublican shill tactics.
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It is EXACTLY what you said: "My opinion is that you are a Republican shill. My reason for thinking this is your very serious and determined attack on the 911 truthers." So as I said, you think I'm a Republican shill simply because I criticize "truthers."
"My opinion is that you are a Republican shill. My reason for thinking this is your very serious and determined attack on the 911 truthers." So as I said, you think I'm a Republican shill simply because I criticize "truthers." Here is what you claimed I said in post number 44 above: "You've admitted that you believe I'm a Republican shill simply because I don't buy into your conspiracy theories." I called you a bald faced liar in response. In the above post you try to save your ass by changing what you said in post #44, i.e. you suddenly quote me correctly: "My opinion is that you are a Republican shill". And as I've noted many times above, I've supported this statement with facts. You refuse to address these facts and instead resort to the type of dishonesty you just tried in post number 44 and in your post above. Why should I listen to a person who has proven themselves to be as big a pathological liar as Bush or any other GOP shill?
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The site is no longer functioning. It is taking me five minutes or more to open a post. I simply can't continue if the site won't respond.
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You support your opinion with the "fact" you don't like my criticism.
Other interests besides the Republican Party may have an interest in squelching and discrediting dissent on 9/11. The military-industrial complex, for one.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
From the table above... 3. Invokes complex, unrealistic scenarios controlled by powerful forces behind the scenes.
Goldi works for a defense contractor. A couple of the posters on LP have revealed over the course of time that they work in the oil business. Another poster there contracts with the government to provide it information about individuals.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
...and brags about it!
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There's also the LF mod. He works for L-3 Communications aerospace and defense contractor. A constant Israeli shill. G-d Bless the Jewish war gods.
Nothing far fetched about the MIC. Even Eisenhower warned about the power. What is it with you? Do you believe everything the Goobers say? Such a state worshipper. I know, you're going to deny it. But, it's sad I got sucked into posting to you. You offer nothing constructive on any level and constantly disparage and badmouth all.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
The paranoid column reads exactly like your typical GOPER. The GOP is a party of enemies. Myriad enemies - everywhere. One long line of enemies out to "destroy America". Plotting and planning- for generations- to bring America to ruin. Saddam Hussein was going to kill us by the millions with his drones of death and nuke clouds. Liberals and leftists - secretly esconced everywhere want to destroy America and surrender to Moooslems. And of course the Moooslims want to rule the world (you can tell by all their foreign military bases and invasions of non moosslem lands). If not the Mooslims why it is the Spics- Cause some college kids who call themselves Aztlan want to "take over America". If not the spics- then the Chinks. "Red" China is coming to get us you see- they are planning something sneeky! Let's not forget the "Gays". The gays are trying to make our kids queermos- with their "Gay agenda". Tommorrow it will be Bantu tribesmen who are the "Threat". One absurd idiotic enemy after another and a laundry list of absurd conspiracies for each one.
LP loaded up with self interested tax eaters and parasites on the gubmint teet either directly or indirectly? Gee- why I am not surprised?
And you think that demonstrates there is some campaign by the military industrial complex to attack 9/11 conspiracy theories? I have to laugh at that one.
I never said there was.
And exactly like the typical "truther."
But, it's sad I got sucked into posting to you. You offer nothing constructive on any level and constantly disparage and badmouth all. I've been seeing this new style of propaganda lately. Only a very small, hard core group of morons still thinks Bush is successful. And as these goobers arn't going anywhere, so they can be ignored. The GOP needs the moderates and Independents to win and they can only get these by distancing themselves from Bush. I think this is why every Freeper shill I see now claims to not support Bush. The goal of the GOP is to distance itself from Bush by 2008. They do not want to be the party that gave us Bush and the Iraq war when the next election rolls around. Secondly, I think the Republican Party has become synonymous with dishonest propaganda. A shill can't come off as a Republican without taking on the taint of Fox News, the New York Post, The Washington Times, Michael Savage, Limbaugh, Coulter and the rest of the dishonest crew. Moderates and Independents roll their eyes when these goob foolers open up. Hence, shill like O'Reilly and the rest claim to be independents. They need to distance themselves from the now discredited GOP shills that came before. So the question becomes, how do you shill for the GOP if you have to come off as an Independent who doesn't like Bush? Do as Mister Clean does. Don't take a positive stand on anything, but disparage anything that hurts the party. And disparage it in very vague terms that can be denied when challenged. The goal isn't to logically challenge rational people. The GOP knows it can't do this and it gave up on thinking people long ago. The real goal is to move the overton window in favor of an overbearing, parternalistic Republican theocratic government. The goal is to make questioning the official government stories on things such as 911 seem slightly dirty. Or to make wondering if there is really a problem with the credit markets seem slightly kookey. Or to make examination of anything that smacks of GOP failure somehow "wrong". The goal is to make the goobs think all is rosey and that only conspiracy nuts examine reality.
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I have to laugh at that one. No, but you are saying that and trying to make it look like that is what he said. And there is a term for what you are doing: Dishonest shilling.
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The real goal is to move the overton window in favor of an overbearing, parternalistic Republican theocratic government. You display the following paranoid behaviors... 3. Invokes complex, unrealistic scenarios controlled by powerful forces behind the scenes. 4. Deals in explanations that can never be critically assessed (unfalsifiable theories).
3. Invokes complex, unrealistic scenarios controlled by powerful forces behind the scenes. 4. Deals in explanations that can never be critically assessed (unfalsifiable theories). Thank you for admiting I was correct in my analysis. I note that you didn't address a single point I made above. You simply hurled feces and tried to change the subject to a trivial argument. This is Freeper talk for "Yes, you are correct, but I don't like it". If I was wrong in anything I said above, and you could prove it, you would have been all over it like stink on a monkey's butt. Instead, you try to divert the course of the discussion. ROTFLOL!!
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He suggested that the military industrial complex might be engaged in attackin 9/11 "truth."
I simply pointed out your paranoia.
That's exactly what I mean; as Bush mentioned once, crawdaddying all over the place. You derided what may be the motives and interests of the MIC in manipulating public information, yet you now claim that the MIC is not farfetched which was a reasonable inference from your citing that item from the list in the column. Just an aside, you may wish to reread the list; those who are investigating and digging into the lies around 11/9 actually fall more into the reasonable and rational columns than those who constantly disparage their quest for more information about the whole sordid episode. It's not as if you offer any defense of the Government approved Conspiracy Scenario, you just badmouth any efforts to investigate its veracity. It's a real juvenile method of interacting on internet forums, which as you maybe claimed are worthless and ineffectual, (don't want to make you deny something you never claimed, I don't, no sir) when your posting "style" just makes you a gadfly, akin to a fly in a room that one gets tired of trying to swat and then simply ignores, sometimes by putting a small piece of rotten fruit for it to alight upon, gorging itself and not buzzing around in irritating but ultimately harmless and thankfully ineffectual motions.
I simply pointed out your paranoia. I presented an argument that characterized you. You didn't address a single point I made. Instead, you tossed out childish insults and tried to change the subject. This says that you don't have a counter argument and that I am correct. Your silly Freeper attack proves this out. But you know that. You just don't want the people you are trying to fool to know that.
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There is no conflict in acknowledging the existence of the military industrial complex and ridiculing the noting that they could be trying to attack 9/11 "truth" on Internet message boards. The "truth" movement is full of morons and clowns who discredit themselves far more effectively than some organized campaign could.
You present this as a cold fact. Please cite your support for this "fact". I think you are telling us another whopper. Prove me wrong.
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Well, then, what're you doing? Dismembering the discredited 911 movement. What're you afraid of...it'll have some Jesus like resurrection and return from the dead. Will it attack like a reborn zombie? He, you seem awfully concerned about a movement that's on it's last legs. Thing is, you guys can't even leave well enough alone - the 119 Official Story has been enshrined - the Cover Up worked - yet you still get your knickers in a twist about a few "oddball" websites that deride the Party Line. So, if it's that stupid a movement, why bother to discredit it anymore. Consider that antics like yours lend credence that even after 6 years, the mere shining of any light upon the events causes you enough concern that you have to go after the guys holding the flashlight.
Good point. I am very suspicious of anyone who seems to devote their entire posting life to stopping people from fact checking a government story. And that is what this guy does - just call up his posts to verify this. It makes me wonder what the stake is here. Who is hurt by questioning the government line on the 911 story? And note that this isn't just a game as the guy claims. He's a bit too dedicated and a bit too humorless in the task for that.
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Fucking Bush for starters. Humorless, single minded, using slippery rhetoric to imply without saying and then deny the common sense inference of his statements. Reminds me of some other types without the verbiage, the asking for sources and general contempt for anything questioning the official line, which though never explicitly supported is always the base and starting point ofany responses or so called rebuttals. And the putting of words into peoples mouths.
Alex Jones, the "Loose Change" boys, http://"WeAreChange.org" are 3 big time clown groups. Then of course there are the people who think there were no planes or that the planes had "pods" on them. The people who think the phone calls were faked using voice morphing technology. There is a strain of antisemitism in the "truth" movement as well which serves to discredit the "movement." See my post, "The Yoda of 9/11" for more.
Full size R/C aircraft have been around since WWII. What do you think a cruise missile or remote drone is? Or maybe all those toy R/C planes at the local hobby shop are just figments of my imagination. Funny thing. I've seen plenty of guys off the side of the road with the sign that reads "The world ends Tomorrow." A nut? maybe, but I've never seen the amount of time and effort expended on him to prove him wrong that I have on those who question FEDGOV's 9/11 fairy tail.
"The more I see of life, the less I fear death" - Me.
I'm trying to "wake people up" to the lunacy known as the 9/11 "truth" movement.
Consider us "awakened". Now, where's that damn snooze button. As they used to say on another website, he has an agenda. Why not just ignore the movement if they're the lunatic nuts you attest. Giving them attention helps them grow. Why're you helping the Truthers?
Or those drones Saddam was seconds away from releasing.
" Junk is the ideal product... the ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy." - William S Burroughs
Or those drones Saddam was seconds away from releasing. Hmmmm...maybe some kooks are more equal than others. I'd love to go back in time with a mind control ray and have Bush Jr. declare on 9/12/01 that the terror attacks were done by the XXTEHBNEHEH race and their death ray laser they built on mars. I'd do it just to see how many sheeple would support it and call anyone who opposed invading mars an America hater. On a side note Mister Clean must be an ex or current FReeker. Back when I used to post there they used to boast about taunting the folks at DU by saying all sorts of nasty things and then adding "Bush and the GOP sucks" at the end to keep the post from getting nuked.
"The more I see of life, the less I fear death" - Me.
I don't follow any of these shills too close, but someone (Cynicon?) suggested MC is sinkspur, so I flat out asked him 45 min ago or so. I'll not sleep until I get an honest answer... zzzzzzzzz
" Junk is the ideal product... the ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy." - William S Burroughs
Wrong.
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Oh, I get it. You're Frank Booth, aren't you?
" Junk is the ideal product... the ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy." - William S Burroughs
Did you play with Arthur Miller dolls as a child?
" Junk is the ideal product... the ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy." - William S Burroughs
You present this as a stone cold fact. Got any support for this "fact"? Or are you just telling us another one of your whoppers? How many times have I caught you out in a bald faced lie today alone? Is it four of five? I've lost count. But it doesn't matter. For the sake of argument, lets just say it's one time. Given that I've proven you to be dishonest once today, why should I accept any of your silly unsupported statements?
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Wrong. Which is exactly what FReekers said on DU when spamming over there. "Why, I hate Bush Jr. and the GOP! Now, watch as I spam lame hit pieces that attack your beliefs and even common sense. But remember I think the GOP and Bush sucks!" FR hated DU and attacked it every chance it got and visa-versa. What is it about people that question 9/11 that makes you hate them so much?
"The more I see of life, the less I fear death" - Me.
I guess that guy is Osama?
"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men" Plato
You should team up with AKA Stone. He is an obsessed kook too. He could teach you how to be obsessed with Jesus and queers and you could teach him how to be obseesed with 911 Truthers. It would broaden both of your horizons. You can find him over on FU. Ponchy is there too. He is another kook you might have a lot in common with.
Bunch of internet bums ... grand jury --- opium den ! ~ byeltsin
Kooks believe in 911 conspiracy theories. Kooks believe wallow in doom & gloom and get excited over bad news.
You mistake ridicule for hate.
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#3. To: Mister Clean (#1)
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“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"
#4. To: Mister Clean, William Buckley (#1)
It is quite remarkable how both "truthers" and neocons are so alike in their paranoia.
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
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The rational thinker also gets all of his facts from Fox News, the New York Post, the Washington Times, the WSJ Editorial Page, AM Radio and other GOP controlled information outlets. And anything thing else is a "conspiracy".
#6. To: Mister Clean (#5)
“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"
#7. To: Mister Clean (#5)
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#8. To: Eoghan (#6)
Before I flick the Bozo switch?
#9. To: Mister Clean (#8)
“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"
#10. To: ... (#7)
Your efforts to distance your party from the party head, George W. Bush, for the purpose of the upcoming election are very transparent.
#11. To: Mister Clean (#0)
paranoid, truther, neocons
#12. To: Cynicom (#11)
Sink, by my realistic calculation, totally unbiased, you fall into every category on the right hand side.
#13. To: Mister Clean (#0)
#14. To: Mister Clean (#10)
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h, I see you're another Freeper-like poster who thinks I'm a Bush supporter because I criticize "truthers."
#15. To: ... (#13)
You are obviously obsessed with the 911 truth movement. I say this because I see you spending hours on line every day shilling the Republican talking points on this subject.
#16. To: Mister Clean (#15)
So one is either with the "truthers" or against them, eh?
#17. To: ... (#14)
Re-read my post and point to where I called you a Bush supporter. You can't - but you know that. In fact, I noted that you are now trying to distance your party from Bush with your shilling.
#18. To: Mister Clean (#15)
(Edited)
#19. To: Mister Clean (#17)
I'm not a Republican.
#20. To: Mister Clean (#17)
(Edited)
I'm not a Republican.
#21. To: ... (#16)
Please point out where I said that, or even implied that. You can't - but you know that.
#22. To: ... (#18)
You come from a group that admires scummy dishonesty if it fools the goobers into voting the way you want. But that doesn't sell with the rest of the country. This is why you guys are becoming known as the twenty-eight percenters.
#23. To: Mister Clean (#22)
(Edited)
I have no idea what you're babbling about.
#24. To: ... (#23)
I think you are trying to avoid a discussion on the dishonesty of the GOP noise machine and the general FR style of propaganda.
#25. To: Mister Clean (#24)
I told you, I'm not a Republican.
#26. To: Mister Clean (#24)
I told you, I'm not a Republican.
#27. To: ... (#26)
You know you can't post a quote to support this
#28. To: ... (#26)
You know you can't post a quote to support this
#29. To: Mister Clean (#28)
(Edited)
#30. To: ... (#29)
My opinion is that you are a Republican shill.
#31. To: Mister Clean (#0)
#32. To: Mister Clean (#30)
(Edited)
Your narrow mind equates criticism of 911 "truth" with being a Republican.
#33. To: YertleTurtle (#31)
You know of course you're going to get your ass kicked by the believers in the black magic of remote-controlled airplanes, explosives hidden in towers, and brilliant but evil polymaths that no one can seem to find.
#34. To: ... (#32)
I offere some good support for my position.
#35. To: Mister Clean (#34)
You've only offered your opinion.
#36. To: YertleTurtle, cynicom (#31)
(Edited)
You know of course you're going to get your ass kicked by the believers in the black magic
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#37. To: ... (#35)
Another mischaracterization that amounts to a knowing, deliberate, bald faced lie.
#38. To: Mister Clean (#37)
Are you so deluded that you consider your opinion to be fact?
#39. To: ... (#38)
(Edited)
I believe it for the reasons I've cited above.
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#40. To: ... (#38)
why don't you attack the reasons I've cited for my opinion?
#41. To: ... (#38)
Instead of throwing shit - like a Freeper or other sort of GOP shill - why don't you attack the reasons I've cited for my opinion?
#42. To: Mister Clean (#41)
Just as Iraq war supporters accuse any critic of being a traitor, you accuse anyone who disagrees with you about 9/11 of being a Republican shill.
#43. To: Mister Clean (#41)
ust as Iraq war supporters accuse any critic of being a traitor, you accuse anyone who disagrees with you about 9/11 of being a Republican shill.
#44. To: ... (#42)
I've done a good job of supporting my opinion that you are a Republican shill.
#45. To: Mister Clean (#44)
(Edited)
You've admitted that you believe I'm a Republican shill simply because I don't buy into your conspiracy theories.
#46. To: ... (#45)
Nope, that is not what I said and you know it.
#47. To: Mister Clean (#46)
(Edited)
t is EXACTLY what you said:
#48. To: Mister Clean (#0)
#49. To: ... (#47)
"My opinion is that you are a Republican shill". And as I've noted many times above, I've supported this statement with facts.
#50. To: ... (#13)
#51. To: aristeides (#50)
Other interests besides the Republican Party may have an interest in squelching and discrediting dissent on 9/11. The military-industrial complex, for one.
#52. To: Mister Clean (#51)
#53. To: aristeides, Zipporah, ..., Brian S, Eoghan, ghostdogtxn, christine, Dakmar, Cynicom, swarthyguy, Ferret Mike, Mekons4, Minerva (#52)
Goldi works for a defense contractor. A couple of the posters on LP have revealed over the course of time that they work in the oil business. Another poster there contracts with the government to provide it information about individuals.
#54. To: robin (#53)
Goldi works for a defense contractor.
“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"
#55. To: Mister Clean (#51)
#56. To: robin (#53)
#57. To: ALL (#0)
#58. To: robin (#53)
Goldi works for a defense contractor. A couple of the posters on LP have revealed over the course of time that they work in the oil business. Another poster there contracts with the government to provide it information about individuals.
#59. To: aristeides (#52)
Goldi works for a defense contractor. A couple of the posters on LP have revealed over the course of time that they work in the oil business. Another poster there contracts with the government to provide it information about individuals.
#60. To: swarthyguy (#55)
Nothing far fetched about the MIC.
#61. To: Burkeman1 (#57)
The paranoid column reads exactly like your typical GOPER.
#62. To: swarthyguy (#55)
know, you're going to deny it.
#63. To: Mister Clean (#59)
And you think that demonstrates there is some campaign by the military industrial complex to attack 9/11 conspiracy theories?
#64. To: ... (#62)
Do as Mister Clean does. Don't take a positive stand on anything, but disparage anything that hurts the party. And disparage it in very vague terms that can be denied when challenged. The goal isn't to logically challenge rational people. The GOP knows it can't do this and it gave up on thinking people long ago.
#65. To: Mister Clean (#64)
(Edited)
You display the following paranoid behaviors...
#66. To: ... (#63)
No, but you are saying that and trying to make it look like that is what he said.
#67. To: ... (#65)
Thank you for admiting I was correct in my analysis.
#68. To: Mister Clean (#60)
(Edited)
#69. To: Mister Clean (#67)
Thank you for admiting I was correct in my analysis.
#70. To: swarthyguy (#68)
That's exactly what I mean; as Bush mentioned once, crawdaddying all over the place. You derided the what may be the motives and interests of the MIC in manipulating public information, yet you now claim that the MIC is not farfetched which was a reasonable inference from your citing that item from the list in the column.
#71. To: Mister Clean (#70)
The "truth" movement is full of morons and clowns who discredit themselves far more effectively than some organized campaign could.
#72. To: Mister Clean (#70)
#73. To: swarthyguy (#72)
#74. To: ... (#73)
(Edited)
Who is hurt by questioning the government line on the 911 story?
#75. To: ... (#71)
Please cite your support for this "fact".
#76. To: YertleTurtle (#31)
You know of course you're going to get your ass kicked by the believers in the black magic of remote-controlled airplanes...
#77. To: swarthyguy (#72)
So, if it's that stupid a movement, why bother to discredit it anymore.
#78. To: Mister Clean (#77)
#79. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#76)
Or maybe all those toy R/C planes at the local hobby shop are just figments of my imagination.
#80. To: Dakmar (#79)
Or maybe all those toy R/C planes at the local hobby shop are just figments of my imagination.
#81. To: Pissed Off Janitor, cynicom, Mister clean x (#80)
#82. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#80)
On a side note Mister Clean must be an ex or current FReeker.
#83. To: Dakmar (#81)
Mister clean x
#84. To: Dakmar (#81)
but someone (Cynicon?) suggested MC is sinkspur, so I flat out asked him 45 min ago or so.
#85. To: Mister Clean (#82)
Wrong.
#86. To: Mister Clean (#84)
#87. To: Mister Clean (#75)
lex Jones, the "Loose Change" boys, http://"WeAreChange.org" are 3 big time clown groups.
#88. To: Mister Clean (#82)
(Edited)
On a side note Mister Clean must be an ex or current FReeker.
#89. To: YertleTurtle (#31)
and brilliant but evil polymaths that no one can seem to find.
#90. To: Mister Clean (#84)
(Edited)
#91. To: Minerva (#90)
You should team up with AKA Stone. He is an obsessed kook too.
#92. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#88)
What is it about people that question 9/11 that makes you hate them so much?
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