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Title: CIA Air Charters Flew Saudi Flights
Source: Mad Cow Productions
URL Source: http://www.madcowprod.com/07312007.html
Published: Jul 31, 2007
Author: Daniel Hopsicker
Post Date: 2007-08-19 11:14:00 by robin
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RETURN OF SHEIKS ON A PLANE!
CIA Air Charters Flew Saudi Flights

WORLD EXCLUSIVE
July 31 2007
by Daniel Hopsicker

Flatly contradicting the repeated assertions by the White House and FBI that the Bush administration played no role in the flights, an exclusive MadCowMorningNews investigation has uncovered numerous connections between the White House and the air charter companies involved in the evacuation of the members of the Saudi Royal family after the 9/11 attack.

Two of the six Saudi charter flights scrutinized by the 9/11 Commission were flown by air contractors involved in CIA renditions, while a third had close ties to imprisoned Republican lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

With 57 charter operators nationwide, and hundreds of Boeing 727s to choose from, the composition of the hastily-assembled airlift which can be pieced together from the released documents reveals a secret world which has gone, as yet, completely unreported...

One of the six Saudi charter flights was flown by the national carrier of the African nation of Gabon, to cite just one little remarked example, whose President would soon pay Jack Abramoff $9 million for a promise of an Oval Office meeting with President Bush, which indeed did take place, in May of 2004.


The CIA, The Mob & Universal Weather

We’ve covered two of the Saudi flights in previous stories.

The Tampa flight, where the Bush Administration, the FBI, the FAA, and even defense contractor Raytheon knowingly lied by repeatedly denying that one of the flights—from Tampa to Lexington KY on Sept. 13th—had even taken place. When the flight was eventually confirmed by the 9/11 Commission three years later, Bush Administration officials didn’t even have the good grace to blush.

And the Providence flight, which flew an unnamed Saudi Sheik and his entourage from Providence Rhode Island to Paris on September 14, 2001 on a jet owned by a close business associate of New England Mob Boss Raymond J. (Junior) Patriarca. Yet there is no mention of the organized crime connections of Northstar air charter company owner Frank Zammiello in either the 9/11 Commission Report or the recently-released

FBI documents.

Today we’ll look at two more:

  • The charter flight called The Universal Weather Flight” by the FBI has led to the discovery that all three of the top corporate air charter companies in Houston, Texas are CIA contractors deeply involved in “extraordinary renditions.”

  • And the PAX flight, an air charter of Saudi royals anxious to flee Las Vegas, on a 727 sporting, ironically enough, the Christian symbol of peace, a dove, on it’s tail, and which belonged to a Christian broadcaster, PAX-TV.

(The series will finish later this week with a report on the most controversial, the bin Laden flight.)


"The murky sludge-filled bottom"

"In trying to get to the bottom of (the Saudi flights) you find a lot of difficulty navigating that murky, sludge-filled bottom," said commissioner Tim Roemer, a former Democratic lawmaker. "There are just not a lot of solid answers on this."

Murky or not, the FBI and the 9/11 Commission have insisted that the Saudi flights were adequately screened by law enforcement officials and the FBI to ensure that the people on these flights did not pose a threat to national security.

FBI officials indicated that they were unconcerned with the departure of the Saudis, including Bin Laden's family members, and that no one of interest to the FBI with regard to the 9/11 investigation was allowed to leave the country.

However their assurances ring a little hollow in light of what has since been learned of methods that can only be described as more than a little flat-footed.

The New York Daily News (June 10, 2004) reported “a top FBI source” confided to the paper that before 9/11 the FBI repeatedly dangled a $5 million reward in front of Bin Laden's siblings living in the U.S. for help in tracking down the terrorist.


"Red-carpeting the entourage"

“We started every conversation with 'Hey, how'd you like to make $5 million?'" the “top” FBI source told the Daily News. “And they'd just look at us, like,

'Are you kidding?'"

Could this be what commissioner Roemer meant by “that murky sludge-filled bottom?”

A close reading of the newly-released government records clearly illustrated the active role played by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in aiding some of the Saudis in their departure.

Of course, the FBI strenuously disagrees.

"I say baloney to any inference we red-carpeted any of this entourage,"

an FBI official wrote in a 2003 internal note which was released.

“Red-carpeting the entourage” appears to be the least of it.


Pre-positioning the excuses

Labeled The Universal Weather Flight” by the FBI, the Saudi charter exposed a secret world a world authorities were at some pains to conceal.

The official statement about the flight seemed unusually, even suspiciously, terse:

“A Universal Weather & Aviation, Inc., flight with four Saudi nationals departed from Boston’s Logan International Airport at 12:30 P.M. on September 18, 2001.”

Also, the 9/11 Commission Report, pre-positioning their excuses, said they only learned of the flight while preparing for their final hearings.

All of which piqued our interest...

Just who, or what, is Universal Weather?

“Universal Weather & Aviation Inc. is a $ 150 million a year corporate aviation service company with 300 employees in Houston,” reported a March 7, 1998 story in the Houston Chronicle.


Collecting from slow-paying Sheiks

Dealing with Arab potentates is apparently all in a day's work at Universal Weather. They’ve been doing it for decades. From a Washington Post article on January 11, 1979:

“According to Houston's Universal Weather and Aviation Inc., the president of the United Arab Emirates has until Jan. 20 to pay for $188,000 in services allegedly owed on a $7.5 million jet.

“Sheik Zayed bin Sultan al Nahyan owes for services rendered over a six-month period, the company said, and unless payment is made, the jet, grounded in Savannah, will be sold.”

While we could find no resolution in newspaper reports, “Universal Weather’s” robust corporate health seems to indicate they have no trouble collecting unpaid bills.

“Universal Weather” has recently been reported to be a CIA contractor engaged in extraordinary renditions. The company was named in an article about an ACLU lawsuit against Jepperson, a San Jose, CA. aviation contractor also alleged to be flying CIA extraordinary renditions.

Italian investigative journalist Claudio Gatti alleged that Jepperson and three other companies were involved in CIA rendition flights. Gatti’s report, initially published in Italian business daily, Il Sole 24 Ore, named Universal Weather & Aviation Inc as one of the companies directly involved in servicing CIA flights, along with Jepperson, Air Routing International and Baseops Flight Planning.


The Geo-Texan CIA

We’d heard the names of the other two named CIA contractors— Air Routing International and Baseops Flight Planning—before, in the Houston Chronicle story on corporate aviation quoted earlier…

“Houston is home to three major players—Universal Weather, Air Routing International, Baseops International Inc—in the corporate aviation service industry,” the Chronicle reported.

All three major civilian aviation contractors in Houston are involved in CIA renditions.

The geo-Texan nature of this, seems, at least to us, more than a little odd. So, too, do the people running the firm:

Universal Weather’s chairman, Marjorie Evans, is a Director on the board of a small Houston college, The University of St. Thomas, where her son, the President of the firm, is an alumnus.


Sam the Sham & The Big Fey One

Really ardent conspiracy buffs will recall that the University of Saint Thomas was attended briefly by Adnan Khashoggi henchman John Gray, author of “Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus.”

At the same time Gray was a student, Marshall Applewhite was an instructor.

After a scandal involving inappropriate touching of an unnamed male student, Heaven’s Gate cult leader-to-be Applewhite was forced to leave.

Perhaps coincidentally, Gray left at the same time. Gray left (fled?)

the school and become the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi’s “personal secretary.”

Although he appears not be make a point of it—like he does his mail order PhD.— Gray became the first student of Transcendental Meditation ever to learn to “fly.”

Applewhite went on to lead a cult which committed mass suicide in a Rancho Santa Fe CA, mansion owned by Sam Khouchesfahani, a former Iranian SAVAK Agent convicted in 2001 in San Diego of infiltrating several hundred Middle Eastern men the U.S.


'You can't make this shit up"

Why we say the Saudi flights are a portal into the Secret World:

Later, while working for Khashoggi—who picked up his Mars-Venus book on its way to the remainder tables and made it an international bestseller with an infomercial campaign from a Khashoggi lieutenant named Ramy El-Batrawi, currently on the run from multiple counts of securities fraud, Gray helped fund the mis-named 9/11 Truth Movement...proving that Saudi money is liable to turn up just about anywhere.

Helping to explain all this is the fact that John Gray’s father, who committed suicide under exceptionally bizarre circumstances (even for Texas) was a CIA agent.


Saudi flight on the down-low

Neither the 9/11 Commission nor the recently-released FBI documents seem interested in revealing anything at all about the air charter company involved in one of the Vegas flights used by Saudi Royals.

The FBI documents state:

“On 9/20/2001, 18 members of the Saudi Arabian royal party and their entourage departed Las Vegas Nevada aboard a chartered B 727-21, tail number 727PX, destination Stamstead Airport (London) England. Before departure the aircraft was swept, perimeter security was provided, and all persons boarding were matched to previously provided passports and a manifest by agents of the USCS.”

The 9/11 Commission Report was equally non-committal on the provenance of the flight, calling it only “Chartered Flight B 727-21, Tail Number N727PX.”

“On September 20, 2001, 18 members of the party of Saudi Prince Abdulmajeed Bin Abdulaziz departed from Las Vegas, Nevada, for Stamstead, England. They underwent the same vetting process as the 69 people on the flight the day before...

“At our request, the Terrorist Screening Center ran the names of all passengers on this flight against TIPOFF in April 2004; there were no matches. Las Vegas Airport was open when this flight departed.”

Unlike other Saudi flights like “Ryan International Flight 441 (the “Bin Laden Family Flight”) this tells us little or nothing about the real question:

Who owned the plane?


Abe Lincoln & Ozzie and Harriet

We learned that the plane is registered in Clearwater, FL. to “CLASSIC DESIGNS OF TAMPA BAY INC,” owned by Lowell W. Paxson, one of the founders of Home Shopping Network, as well as the founder of Christian broadcast network PAX-TV.

While this explains the “PX” in the plane’s tail number, it does nothing to suggest why the FBI and the 9/11 Commission do not want the American people to know that a plane owned by a Christian broadcast network was saving Saudi Royal bacon in Vegas one week after 9/11.

“Pax passeth all understanding” was the snarky headline in a London Financial Times story about the network. “Bud Paxson found God in a Las Vegas hotel room and now runs America's newest television network,” reported the paper.

Calling Paxson “a mogul inspired by the Lord,” the story stated, “While work is his calling and his pleasure, Paxson said he does try to have some fun with his money. He and his second wife, Marla, live in a $ 12-million, 35-room oceanfront mansion, and each drives a Rolls-Royce. His is black, hers white. He also owns three airplanes, a 132-foot yacht and a considerable collection of autographs of former U.S. presidents, kings, queens and entertainers. Among his collection are the signatures of Abraham Lincoln and Ozzie and Harriet.”


Hickory dickory dock, the Diceman joins the flock

While PAX-TV has since faded from the ether, it was apparently quite a show while it lasted. TV reviewers had a field day:

“Taking refuge on Tuesday's weekly show is Brett Butler, whose escalating self-destruction prompted ABC to cancel Grace Under Fire in 1998. Looking puffy and pasty, she's playing a benevolent waitress in "Angels, Once in a While."

“Pax bills it as her "much-anticipated return" to TV,” read one typical summation. “Yeah, we've all been on pins and needles.”

The Christian network apparently had an affinity for faded stars with or without documented substance-abuse problems: Stacy (cocaine bust) Keach and Anthony Michael (detox) Hall. Rod Steiger, Teri Garr, Marlee Matlin, Joe Piscopo...

The unlikeliest one-time star appearing on God-fearing, "friend of the family" Pax-TV and plumping for the Lord: Andrew Clay Silverstein AKA “The Diceman,” the former Andrew Dice Clay.


Church of Christ, Palm Beaches

When Paxson moved to Florida's east coast, he had trouble finding a church home. So he became the “creator” of an instant new mega-church in Palm Beach, Florida:

“Christ Church of the Palm Beaches.”

When a deal to buy the Palm Beach Jai Alai fronton to house the unfortunately-named church fell through, he bought actor Burt Reynolds dinner theater in Jupiter, Florida.

Jesus must have been thrilled.

When Pax-TV fell on hard times, it changed its name to ION-TV, and was bought out by a Chicago hedge fund, Citadel Investment Group.


Return of The Usual Suspects

Again, conspiracy buffs will recall that Citadel is the hedge fund which loaned $32.5 million to Jack Abramoff and Adam Kidan to buy a fleet of gambling boats in Florida.

The same hedge fund which had been “duped” by Jack Abramoff in a scheme involving offshore gambling and murdered mogul Gus Boulis had also stepped in to save a business entity whose 727 was put to service on behalf of the Saudi Royal Family one week after September 11th.

At this news, we found ourselves at something of a loss for words. Then we discovered the exact detail which seemed to wrap things up neatly...

Remember Christ Church of the Beaches? The plan was to place heavy emphasis on contemporary music. The pastor brought in a musician from Hollywood to run the church's music program.

His name was Cooper Getschal, among whose many achievements is having programmed the drums on the Michael Jackson album, “Bad.”

Proving once again that truth is stranger then anyone cares to believe.

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WORLD EXCLUSIVE

July 12 2007
by Daniel Hopsicker

The owner of one of the air charter companies involved in the airlift of Saudi Royals and bin Laden family members out of the U.S. after the 9/11 attack has been identified in numerous published reports as a business partner and “close associate” of New England Mob Boss Raymond J. (Junior) Patriarca, the MadCowMorningNews has learned.

Frank Zammiello's Northstar Aviation in Warrick R. I. flew four Saudis, including a Saudi Sheikh (name unfortunately redacted) on a flight which left Providence R.I. September 14, 2001 and flew to Paris.

FBI documents refer to it as the “Northstar Aviation flight.”

Curiously, however, there is no mention of the organized crime connections of air charter owner Zammiello in either the 9/11 Commission Report, which covered the Saudi flights, or in recently-released FBI documents rebutting allegations that bin Laden family members were allowed to leave the U.S. without being interviewed by authorities.

The omission is surprising, especially considering Frank Zammiello's relevance to the story of President George W. Bush's amazing claim of executive privilege in early 2002 for all records of the Boston FBI.


Sheiks (and Sheik-ettes) on a plane

But Northstar's questionable associations are by no means an isolated circumstance among the air charter companies involved with the Saudi flights.

Five air charter companies flying Saudi Royals and bin Laden family members out of the U.S. after the 9/11 attack can be firmly located in the seldom-glimpsed netherworld of Saudi money, CIA covert activities, international organized crime... even Jack Abramoff's billion dollar influence peddling on an intercontinental scale.

It is an untold story of chilling proportions, some sinister, some comic.

  • Two air charter companies used in the Saudi flights are involved in CIA rendition flights & other covert actions.

  • A number of Saudi Royals flew home from Las Vegas in a plane which sported on its tail the Christian dove symbol of the Christian TV network which owned it.

Moreover, that the mainstream media has not seen fit to so much as lift an eyebrow at Saudi Royals leaving the U.S. on the airplane of President-for-Life Omar Bongo of Africa's beyond-corrupt Republic of Gabon is so way beyond surreal as to defy belief.


FBI 'Straw Man' burned beyond recognition

The FBI has been quick to respond to the “straw man” accusation that the FBI failed to conduct interviews with bin Laden family members before they were allowed to leave the U.S.

FBI documents released last month stress that they were all over the Northstar Saudi flight, and all over the other Saudi flights, too.

“On September 14, 2001, a Northstar Aviation flight to Paris, France, departed from Providence, Rhode Island. There were four Saudi nationals on board. According to the FBI, all four passengers “were interviewed and their identity confirmed.”

Fair enough… as far as it goes. But the comments of Democratic Senators Charles Schumer and Frank Lautenberg, when the “Phantom Flight” from Tampa to Lexington was finally confirmed by the 9/11 Commission Report in 2004, focused on another aspect altogether:

“Right after September 11, there were thousands of planes for rent and hundreds Boeing 727s virtually identical to the one the Bin Laden’s used," Senator Schumer said.

"But the plane that flew the Bin Laden’s back to Saudi Arabia ‘just happened’

to be same one used by the Bush White House as a press charter.”


1. Don't pull on Superman's cape.

And Lautenberg noted, “There were 57 charter operators registered to rent out over 375 Boeing 727s nationwide, and commercial aviation was still at a relative standstill, so it's likely that most if not all of the charter jets in the United States were available that day.”

Referring to the Saudi flight flown by an airliner often used by the White House to fly the press corps, Lautenberg asked, “When was the first time after September 19, 2001 that the Executive Office of the President used B727 N521DB or any other aircraft from DB Air or Ryan International?”

The Senators suspicions about the identities of the air charter companies involved in the Saudi flights, as we will see, are nothing if not prescient...

The brief thumbnail sketch of air charter operator Frank Zammiello’s “greatest hits” which follows raises the question: What business did Saudi Sheiks have with Mobsters from the Northeast?


2. Never eat a restaurant named Mom's.

Frank Zammiello once pledged more than $6 million to secure a pretrial release for New England mob boss Raymond J. “Junior” Patriarca, when he was facing racketeering charges.

That’s a lot of clams.

But Zammiello’s got them. He owns Camille’s restaurant, a downtown Providence landmark where you could run into Frank Sinatra at dinner, or New England mob boss Raymond Patriarca during lunch.

But forget counting the spoons. Count the looted bank vaults. According to the Boston Globe, just before

Jefferson Loan and Investment Bank of Cranston R.I. went bust in 1989:

“$400,000 went to a Patriarca business associate, Frank Zammiello, owner of Northstar Aviation Inc., which operates an aircraft service hangar at T.F. Green Airport in Warwick.”

The $400,000 payment to Zammiello's firm was toward the purchase of Northstar.

Alas for taxpayers (who always get stuck with the bill) when the bank went under, Zammiello didn't have to give it back, because it was a nonrefundable down payment.

Sweet.

3. And never ever ever fire the son of a Mob Boss.

Zammiello also figured in a famous case involving a nightclub owned by the son of mob boss Cadillac Frank Salemme.

According to the U.S. Attorney the club "was a business operated on behalf of La Cosa Nostra and run by people closely associated with the Mafia."

When the nightclub was given two weeks by the Boston Licensing Board to resolve its “problems,” the manager, Steve DiSarro, allegedly offered to placate the pols by firing the son of the Mob Boss.

Big Mistake-o. The manager went "missing." His body has never been found.

And questions about his final resting place--or places--join the ranks of other popular questions in Beantown. What happened to the Boston Strangler? Whose idea was it to put Dukakis in a tank?


"Been a privilege claiming privilege with you, Sir

Opined the Boston Herald, "The relationship between DiSarro and Providence real estate developer Frank J. Zammiello, a known friend and partner of the jailed New England crime boss (Patriarca), suggests the South Boston club may be under the control of organized crime.”

"Cadillac Frank" Salemme also figured in the corruption trial of former Boston FBI honcho John Connelly.

But we may never learn more than we do now about John Connelly—known as “Zip” to his Mob buddies—and his 30-year crime spree.

When the House Government Committee attempted to hold hearings on corruption in the Boston FBI, they were thwarted in the Spring of 2002 by President George W. Bush.

Bush shocked the Congressional watchdog committee’s chairman, conservative Republican Dan Burton, by claiming executive privilege to keep Congress from gaining access to documents generated by the Boston FBI.

You would have thought Bush had more important things on his mind at that particular moment than FBI corruption in Boston, but who knows?


The Dept of Rhetorical Questions

If Connelly's crime family and Bush's claim of executive privilege were to one day dovetail just perfectly with the FBI raid on Boston computer services company Ptech because of it's ownership's uncomfortable resemblance to the financiers of al-Qaeda...

And were both threads turn out to be decisive factors in the Saudi's choice of a Mob-linked aircraft charter company in Rhode Island to get a Saudi Sheik and three other men out of the U.S. tout de suite...

Would anyone really be surprised?

But Messer’s Bush and Zammiello no doubt know more about these things than we do.

Mr. Bush, after all, promised to track down Osama bin Laden dead or alive, and he’s still alive, so he was at least half-right.

And Mr. Zammiello is today a respected real estate developer in Palm Beach Florida.

He was even able to borrow $12.5 million from the Providence city employees retirement fund to build a shopping center...

So he obviously knows something we don't. Because we can’t imagine any city’s retirement fund offering us that kind of money.

We don't imagine you can, either.

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robin  posted on  2007-08-19   11:18:22 ET  (13 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: robin (#0)

And the PAX flight, an air charter of Saudi royals anxious to flee Las Vegas, on a 727 sporting, ironically enough, the Christian symbol of peace, a dove, on it’s tail, and which belonged to a Christian broadcaster, PAX-TV.

Hmm .. the "Christian right" again raises it's ugly head.. co-called Christian missionaries have long been known across the world as spies for governments.. and put true missionaries in danger .. recently Chavez tossed out the missionaries there with accusations of being spies for the CIA .. no doubt with good reason. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4705740.stm

CIA recruitment and the church - Central Intelligence Agency

RELIGIOUS GROUPS expressed concern February 22 about a loophole in CIA rules that allows the U.S. spy agency to use clergy and missionaries, as well as journalists and Peace Corps workers, for covert work overseas.

The rules forbid the CIA from hiring or establishing any intelligence relationships "with any U.S. clergy or missionary whether or not ordained, who is sent out by a mission or church organization to preach, teach, heal or proselytize." But the Washington Post has reported that a little-noticed provision within those rules allows the CIA director to waive the ban in extraordinary circumstances.

The rules covering CIA recruitment of missionaries were adopted in 1977 after an intense campaign by religious and civil liberties groups. The groups had raised objections to disclosures that the CIA had used clergy, journalists and academics in covert operations. As part of an overall reform of the agency, the CIA adopted similar rules barring employment of journalists and academics in covert operations overseas. CIA Director John Deutch, testifying February 22 before the Senate Select Intelligence Committee, said the ban on the use of reporters would be waived only in cases of "unique and special threats to national security." He was not specifically asked about the clergy loophole, and the CIA did not return a phone call seeking clarification.

Religious groups across the theological spectrum sharply criticized the loophole provision allowing the CIA to establish working relationships with missionaries, contending that such a move could endanger the lives of church workers in politically sensitive situations and undermine efforts at reconciliation and conflict resolution.

Joan Brown Campbell, general secretary of the National Council of Churches, said the 32-denomination agency "continues to take the position that there should be a prohibition on the collaboration between religious personnel and the intelligence community and that this should have the force of law, without loopholes." The NCC has had a policy position since 1980 opposing CIA use of clergy and missionaries. Campbell noted that the NCC is consulting with its member denominations and expects to pursue the matter, including the possibility of a law that would close the loophole.

R. Lawrence Turnipseed, executive director of Church World Service, the NCC's overseas relief and development agency, stressed that the work of missionary and aid agencies depends on building trust relationships with various kinds of groups overseas. "We work in many sensitive situations politically...and our views don't always coincide with the U.S. government's," he said. "Our being able to work and function effectively depends on our colleagues being able to know we are independent."

"Even the possibility for such an occurrence is not only damaging but dangerous for our missionaries in the field," said Richard Cizik, policy analyst in the Washington office of the National Association of Evangelicals. "We don't need our government making it more difficult for our people." The NAE is an umbrella organization of theologically conservative congregations and denominations, many of which send missionaries overseas.

Barry Lynn, executive director of Washington-based Americans United for Separation of Church and State, participated in the 1977 lobbying effort as a staff member of the Washington office of the United Church of Christ. Lynn argued that even the suggestion of a relationship between the CIA and clergy destroys the trust that missionaries work to create. "The loophole [exception to the rule] endangers the life of the missionary, pollutes the clergy-parishioner relationship because it destroys trust and is the ultimate in church-state entanglement," he said. "This compromises efforts at evangelism everywhere."

Several groups, including the Southern Baptist Convention's Foreign Mission Board and World Vision, an evangelical relief agency, pointed out that they have policies forbidding employees from working with intelligence agencies. "The Foreign Mission Board takes the stand that any activity by any of its missionaries with not only the CIA but any intelligence agency would be grounds for immediate dismissal," said Don Kammerdiner, executive vice-president of the Baptist agency. The Southern Baptists have about 4,100 U.S. missionaries overseas. World Vision, which has several hundred Americans overseas at any given time, declared in a statement that it often cooperates with government agencies but "forbids its staff to have any relationship with, or provide information to, any intelligence service or agency. The use of even one missionary to gather intelligence can cast suspicion on all Christian workers, foreign or national."

Journalists are no happier about the loophole than are members of religious groups. Carl Rowan commented in his syndicated column February 28 that "merely by taking this public stance [CIA Director Deutch] has endangered the lives of all U.S. journalists all over the world--even if he never actually recruits any." Rowan criticized Deutch for supporting the provision despite the protests of G. Kelly Hawes, president of the Society of Professional Journalists, and Louis Boccardi, president of the Associated Press.

Zipporah  posted on  2007-08-19   11:26:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Zipporah (#2)

Christian missionaries have long been known across the world as spies for governments.. and put true missionaries in danger

What the enemy of Christianity would call a "win-win".

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robin  posted on  2007-08-19   11:29:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: robin (#3)

True.. and I think of all the people who are still involved in what I would call fringe churches... that believe the christian leadership (small C) .. poor saps.

Zipporah  posted on  2007-08-19   11:33:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Zipporah (#4)

Another kidnapping of a missionary, this one German and in Afghanistan.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6953849.stm

The aid worker, in her 30s, works for a Christian organisation called Ora International.

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robin  posted on  2007-08-19   11:37:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: robin (#5)

Makes one wonder if she's a true missionary or part of the spy network.. I wonder what other group theyre affiliated with? On their site there is no mention of names .. churches etc?

Zipporah  posted on  2007-08-19   11:47:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Zipporah (#6)

I have no idea, but it might be worth remembering the name of her organization.

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robin  posted on  2007-08-19   11:56:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: All, Cynicom (#0)

No one said being ever vigilant would be easy.

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robin  posted on  2007-08-19   12:26:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Morgana le Fay, Minerva (#8)

I suggest we stop giving Mister Dirty Rotten Traitor any more bandwidth and cover the stories that are being hidden by his trolling 4um.

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robin  posted on  2007-08-19   12:28:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: farmfriend (#9)

ping

Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today!

robin  posted on  2007-08-19   12:30:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: robin (#10)

thanks for the pings


farmfriend  posted on  2007-08-19   12:34:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: robin (#3)

Gray helped fund the mis-named 9/11 Truth Movement...proving that Saudi money is liable to turn up just about anywhere.

Oh, my, what a tidbit.

Hopsicker Rocks, and has been since September 12, 2001.

swarthyguy  posted on  2007-08-19   14:15:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: swarthyguy (#12)

Oh, my, what a tidbit.

Hopsicker Rocks, and has been since September 12, 2001.

Yep. I have yet to see an assertion that doesn't fit.

"Satan / Cheney in "08"

tom007  posted on  2007-08-20   0:52:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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