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Title: Breaking:The 9/11 Conspiracies is on now
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Published: Aug 20, 2007
Author: honway
Post Date: 2007-08-20 21:16:08 by honway
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/200807hitpiece.htm A documentary entitled The 9/11 Conspiracies, to be aired on the History Channel this evening, may represent the biggest hit piece to date on the 9/11 truth movement and is rife with bias, cronyism and conflicts of interest.
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I'm catching bits of it, and it really is made for people who have been living under a rock. At least the bits I'm seeing.
Swimming around in my bourbon highball..... There is this "those crazy kids and their computers!" vibe about it. It talks down to people. Yeah, this will save television! What I don't get, is if this attitude is "conspiracy theories are all silly, waste of time", then when the next History channel mysteries/conspiracy theory show is on, what are the core viewers going to think?
Swimming around in my bourbon highball..... Ahhhhh Yes, the Evil Doers from that Cave In Afganistan with their wing shearing Islam Magic. Be Afraid, Be Very Afraid. BUT - This IS NOT a conspiracy.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
From what little I have watched of it, I have to agree with you. Nation building propaganda.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
Out of a hundred shows they may put one out like this so their spoke's stooge can claim they are unbiased. Pretty common tactic, as I am sure you realize.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
The part where they explain what "happened" with the plane parts at the Pentagon is pretty funny. Like the engines.
Swimming around in my bourbon highball..... The smug reporter saying the words "the Internet" with a smile on his face, as he laughs... Now talking about a woman being harrassed because of a photo, as if conspiracy theorists all harrass people.... They have "Too much time on their hands"... You know, I hope TV takes a major dump, as it is heading that way anyway.....screw these people, and the way they talk down to citizens.
Swimming around in my bourbon highball..... Issac Newton had it all wrong I suppose. The massive hardened jet engines going four hundred miles an hour or more changed direction in 0.01 second? Hey - It occurs to me as of right now I may be able to physically PROVE a 757 did not crash into the pentagon. Due the the mass of the engines suppossedly accelerating into the interior of the plane. I'll get back to you, but I do have way too much on my plate in other areas.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
Hey sounds good! Man, this show is such a blow job for the government media complex. With a nice reach-around and everything. Yellow journalism.....the showing of the victims spouses, crying, as a rebuttal to the comments... DAVIN KOBURN.....(if I'm spelling the name right)....from Popular Mechanics? WHAT A BODY LANGUAGE! I believe that man is absolutely lying. He is really not able to hide it in his eye contact and body movements.
Swimming around in my bourbon highball..... Oh, everyone, you HAVE to see the clips on YouTube, of this doc, when they get to building 7.... Oh, FUNNY!!! Really, it's bad. They never proved anything legit with 7.
Swimming around in my bourbon highball..... Those were the simulations from Purdue. Paid for by the DOD/NSF.
Mark "I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. [..] and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... — Former NYC Police Officer and 9/11 Rescue Worker Craig Bartmer
I dare someone to count how many time this phrase was repeated.
Mark "I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. [..] and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... — Former NYC Police Officer and 9/11 Rescue Worker Craig Bartmer
The claim was the wings fell off or folded in, but then, the simulation shows the wings intact being shreded by the columns in the Pentagon. Also claims a round hot ball of fuel/gas, stayed intact, went through 6 walls, 3 rings, and left a nice neat round hole on the outer wall of the 3rd inner ring. LOL.
Mark "I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. [..] and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... — Former NYC Police Officer and 9/11 Rescue Worker Craig Bartmer
Thanks to all for the reviews of this sham.
Yeah well, that works then. I am constantly reminded that many many people are anti "Islamic extremists" and think 911 was done by them. That applies to all muslims, as far as I can tell. So the channel plays well to the ignorant of which there are quite a few...probably the majority.
"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma Gandhi
BUT - This IS NOT a conspiracy. laughing...
Lewis Paul Bremer III on Washington DC NBC4 TV 09/11/01 Stick a fork in the "truth" movement.
Has he graduated from High School yet? James Mieges and his little buddy came across as really bad B movie actors.
I would have liked to have seen some cross examination. The Pop Mech dorks always got the last word, and there was no opportunity to counter their claims.
The History Channel program itself noted that in 2002, 13% of Americans thought that the Bush administration knew about 9/11 in advance. In 2006, a poll showed that 36% believe not that the Bush admin "knew" about the attacks in advance, but that the government actually assisted in the attacks. Seems like the trend is going in the opposite direction of your claim.
Seems like the trend is going in the opposite direction of your claim. What polls? But for the sake of argument let's say your numbers are correct. So what? Nothing is happening as a result. 9/11 "truth" isn't an issue for most Americans and it won't be an issue in next years election. People care more about health care and illegal immigration than 9/11 "truth."
But for the sake of argument let's say your numbers are correct. They aren't my numbers. They are polls cited by the History Channel. Some polls have actually reported even higher levels of skepticism. But all polls and evidence show that skepticism about 9/11 is consistently growing with each passing year. Thus, the facts show that your statement is incorrect. Not my opinions, but the actual facts. Stick a fork in Mr. Clean!
Not really. I say the 9/11 "truth" movement has peaked and it's going nowhere. It's not a mainstream issue. It never will be. Even if these numbers are correct, there is NOTHING happening as a result. Street protests, websites, home-made "documentaries" are not producing any results.
Street protests, websites, home-made "documentaries" are not producing any results. What you "say" and your opinions are not as critical as the facts. Perhaps you missed the facts the first time: The History Channel program itself noted that in 2002, 13% of Americans thought that the Bush administration knew about 9/11 in advance. In 2006, a poll showed that 36% believe not that the Bush admin "knew" about the attacks in advance, but that the government actually assisted in the attacks.
Without action and results those numbers are meaningless.
Facts are facts, and public opinion is trending in the opposite direction of your claims.
It's meaningless.
I watched about an hour of this shit. For those who watched it, remember how they talked about the plane that hit the pentagon? How this plane destroyed the entire pentagon, shearing through steel reinforced concrete columns and what not causing it to punch a hole all the way through the other side? What I find interesting is what happened to the World Trade Center. The plane did NOT shear through all of the columns, and in fact, most of the structure was still intact. The other thing I found interesting was that the plane that crashed in Shanksville, seemed to simply vaporize on impact. If that's the case, then how come the plane didn't simply vaporize when it hit the Pentagon, because the pentagon is probably one of the most fortified buildings on the face of the earth? What I would like to see, is 4 of the same kind of plane, crashed into identical structures, as part of a simulation in order to ascertain the truth. Surely there must be footage of jets being tested crashing into the ground, buildings, etc? I wonder where those videos are? There's a lot of stuff in the video last night, that was just lies, and there was some people on there who said one thing, and recanted on tape. The most damning piece was the Norman Mineta testimony. Notice that they couldn't get his ass to talk on camera? I find it very interesting who would comment, and who wouldn't. The Popular Mechanics guys, who the fuck are they to tell the world what is the truth, when they have advertisements for snake oil and bullshit in their magazines? I found the first hour of the thing so nauseating I simply shut it off. The best part of the whole thing is where they interview the douchebag from the "New American Century Project." Hilarious.
Dying for old bastards, and their old money, isn't my idea of freedom.
For anyone knowledgeable on the topic, it became clear the Popular Mechanics contributors had no interest in the truth. If these individuals invested enough time to write a book on the topic, then certainly they must know significant debris from the reported United 93 was discovered eight miles from the crash site, as the crow flies, in New Baltimore. Certainly they know that the diesel lines, even if by extreme incompetence the lines were pressurized, did not go to the floors that were on fire in WTC7. Since they must be aware of these factors and lied to a national audience with the intention of covering -up for mass murderers, it did not reflect well on their character.
The fact that History Channel was forced to run an entire prime time special to "debunk" them shows otherwise.
Just like JFK and UFO documentaries, my gut says this will "explore" avenues of interest, but in a slightly snarky and condescending manner befitting the Title which displays the hotword 'Conspiracy', which has been known to invoke, after decades of imprinting, a vision of nuttiness, a capacity to consider the PTB incapable of nefarious acts (we know that's not true, despite the preponderance of evidence to the contrary), it brings up visions of swarthy guys drinking cheap wine outta tin cups under the light of a solitary bulb hanging on a wire. It short, a general view of undependable wild eyed loons. If the History Channel was serious, they coulda used the phrase, 911 Investigations or something like that. Instead they chose a loaded, pejorative word that the population, by long indoctrination has come to regard as being worthy only of contemptous dismissal.
Forced? That's funny. Like all TV programmers, they made this documentary for ratings. I bet a sizeable chunk of the audience were "truthers." Heh.
Correctomundo, which means this issue is mainstream enough to warrant a two-hour prime time special. You just debunked your own argument. Thank you!
Mister Clean don't use no gas " Junk is the ideal product... the ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy." - William S Burroughs
You said they were "forced" to debunk the conspiracy theories. They were not "forced" to make the program as a way of thwarting a growing movement, they chose to make a program to get ratings. Again, I bet a lot of the audience was made up of "truthers" not normal Americans looking for answers. What's really funny is how Alex Jones hyped up this program for weeks and is now freaking out over it. I wonder if he got paid for promoting the program?
The people that live in their parents basements? Sounds like you don't know the first thing about market research.
" Junk is the ideal product... the ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy." - William S Burroughs
Mister Clean don't drive too fast Here's a video of Mister Clean
The graphics were more damning then helpful to their cause, that's for sure. I felt like I was watching history explained for Jerry Springer fans. Very dumbed down.
Swimming around in my bourbon highball..... ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGH. Yes those pillars of wisdom, I remember them well.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
I'm telling everyone who sees that stupid assed retarded video, that if you believe what you're told 100 percent of the time, then you deserve to have someone victimize and exploit you.
Dying for old bastards, and their old money, isn't my idea of freedom.
#34. To: All (#33)
#35. To: honway (#6)
Popular Mechanics on the Pentagon:"The wings were sheared off before the plane hit the Pentagon."
#36. To: Burkeman1 (#8)
he History channel is rather despicable. It's "history" is about as sophisticated and nuanced as a 5th grader's social studies book. It basically boils down to US good - everyone else not as good or evil. It is a channel for dummies.
#37. To: Burkeman1 (#8)
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huge Iranian military it had burdened the Iranian people with supporting with their meager oil earnings, and the show was one of the very few that actually didn't paint the Ayotollah as some cookie cutter evil villian.
#38. To: tom007 (#36)
#39. To: All (#38)
#40. To: PercyDovetonsils (#38)
The part where they explain what "happened" with the plane parts at the Pentagon is pretty funny. Like the engines.
#41. To: tom007 (#40)
#42. To: All (#41)
#43. To: honway (#29)
#44. To: PercyDovetonsils (#34)
"conspiracy theories"
#45. To: tom007 (#40)
#46. To: The Thread (#45)
#47. To: Burkeman1 (#8)
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It is a channel for dummies.
#48. To: tom007 (#35)
Ahhhhh Yes, the Evil Doers from that Cave In Afganistan with their wing shearing Islam Magic. Be Afraid, Be Very Afraid.
#49. To: christine (#48)
“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"
#50. To: honway (#0)
A documentary entitled The 9/11 Conspiracies, to be aired on the History Channel this evening, may represent the biggest hit piece to date on the 9/11 truth movement and is rife with bias, cronyism and conflicts of interest.
#51. To: Arator (#15)
Who is the kid they keep going to for the "expert" response?
#52. To: Eoghan (#28)
Well they said that wouldn't make a hit piece and they didn't. However, a simple white wash will do. The smugness of the Pop Mech crew was amusing.
#53. To: Mister Clean (#50)
Stick a fork in the "truth" movement.
#54. To: Ringo Blankenship (#53)
The History Channel program itself noted that in 2002, 13% of Americans thought that the Bush administration knew about 9/11 in advance. In 2006, a poll showed that 36% believe not that the Bush admin "knew" about the attacks in advance, but that the government actually assisted in the attacks.
#55. To: Mister Clean (#54)
What polls?
#56. To: Ringo Blankenship (#55)
But all polls and evidence show that skepticism about 9/11 is consistently growing with each passing year. Thus, the facts show that your statement is incorrect.
#57. To: Mister Clean (#56)
I say the 9/11 "truth" movement has peaked and it's going nowhere.
#58. To: Ringo Blankenship (#57)
The History Channel program itself noted that in 2002, 13% of Americans thought that the Bush administration knew about 9/11 in advance. In 2006, a poll showed that 36% believe not that the Bush admin "knew" about the attacks in advance, but that the government actually assisted in the attacks.
#59. To: Mister Clean (#58)
#60. To: Ringo Blankenship (#59)
Facts are facts, and public opinion is trending in the opposite direction of your claims.
#61. To: honway (#0)
#62. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#61)
I watched about an hour of this shit.
#63. To: Mister Clean (#60)
It's meaningless.
#64. To: honway (#0)
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#65. To: Ringo Blankenship (#63)
The fact that History Channel was forced to run an entire prime time special to "debunk" them shows otherwise.
#66. To: Mister Clean (#65)
Like all TV programmers, they made this documentary for ratings.
#67. To: Ringo Blankenship (#66)
Mister Clean don't drive too fast
#68. To: Ringo Blankenship (#66)
Correctomundo, which means this issue is mainstream enough to warrant a two-hour prime time special. You just debunked your own argument. Thank you!
#69. To: Mister Clean (#68)
Again, I bet a lot of the audience was made up of "truthers" not normal Americans looking for answers.
#70. To: Dakmar (#67)
Mister Clean don't use no gas
#71. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#61)
#72. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#61)
The best part of the whole thing is where they interview the douchebag from the "New American Century Project."
#73. To: tom007 (#72)
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