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Title: U.S. senator calls for change in Iraqi leadership
Source: International Herald Tribune
URL Source: http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/08/21/asia/maliki.php
Published: Aug 21, 2007
Author: Thom Shanker and Mark Mazzetti
Post Date: 2007-08-21 16:54:59 by Eoghan
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The chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, after completing a two-day tour of Iraq, said that the government of Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki should be voted from office because it had proved incapable of reaching the political compromises required to end violence there.

The Democratic chairman, Senator Carl Levin of Michigan, and the committee's ranking Republican, Senator John Warner of Virginia, who traveled to Iraq together, issued a joint statement Monday that was only slightly more temperate than Levin's remarks. They warned that in the view of politicians in Washington, and of the American people, "time has run out" on attempts to forge a political consensus in Baghdad.

Levin said that in his view, the political stalemate in Iraq could be attributed to Maliki and other senior Iraqi officials who were unable to operate independently of religious and sectarian leaders.

"I've concluded that this is a government which cannot, is unable to, achieve a political settlement," Levin said. "It is too bound to its own sectarian roots, and it is too tied to forces in Iraq, which do not yield themselves to compromise."

In a conference call with reporters from Tel Aviv, Levin called on the Iraqi Parliament to vote the Maliki government from power because it had "totally and utterly failed" to reach a political settlement, and to replace it with a team better able to forge national unity.

Levin and Warner are among their respective parties' most esteemed legislators on national security issues. Their committee will be among those hearing directly from General David Petraeus, the top American commander in Iraq, and the U.S. ambassador, Ryan Crocker, when the two men deliver their report measuring military and political progress in Iraq next month. A White House spokesman said Monday that the Capitol Hill testimony could be expected Sept. 11 or 12.

Warner did not explicitly call for the removal of the Maliki government. But he joined Levin in a joint statement that, while noting some success under the current troop increase in improving the security situation in Iraq, was tempered by a grim assessment of political progress.

"While we believe that the 'surge' is having measurable results, and has provided a degree of 'breathing space' for Iraqi politicians to make the political compromises which are essential for a political solution in Iraq, we are not optimistic about the prospects for those compromises," the joint statement said.

The statement warned that recent meetings among Iraqi political leaders "could be the last chance for this government to solve the Iraqi political crisis." Should that effort fail, the senators wrote, "We believe the Iraqi Council of Representatives and the Iraqi people need to judge the government of Iraq's record and determine what actions should be taken - consistent with the Iraqi Constitution - to form a true unity government to meet those responsibilities."

U.S. intelligence agencies on Monday delivered to Congress their own assessment of the sectarian violence in Iraq and the prospects for political reconciliation there.

The new National Intelligence Estimate updates an assessment completed in February, which painted a bleak picture of the ability of Iraqi politicians to tamp down sectarian violence.

The new assessment should play a significant role in the upcoming congressional debate about the course of the Iraq war, as it is likely to be used by both sides as a more independent assessment of the security situation than the Petraeus-Crocker report.

The assessment completed in February also said that Iraq's fractured military would be "hard-pressed" over the next 12 to 18 months to "execute significantly increased security responsibilities, and particularly to operate independently against Shia militias with any success."

Gordon Johndroe, the National Security Council spokesman, said President George W. Bush was briefed about the new assessment Monday.


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#1. To: Eoghan (#0)

What? No mention of Al Qaeda? This is what Joe Brainstem American thinks we're "fighting there so we won't have to fight 'em here."

This is way too complicated for a reptilian brain to comprehend. Reptiles don't do "nuance." They "strike" and then "recoil" to repeat the process.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2007-08-21   17:01:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Eoghan (#0)

We believe the Iraqi Council of Representatives and the Iraqi people need to judge the government of Iraq's record and determine what actions should be taken - consistent with the Iraqi Constitution - to form a true unity government to meet those responsibilities."

On board for the Coup D'Etat Train.

Imagine the leader of the Argentine Senate calling for the replacement of Bush.

But, then again, the Argentinians are not OverLord Okkupiers of America.

Ya expect the Shias to give up what they got now? Heck, it's only hundreds of years since they've exercised so much control over Southern Mesopotamia.

Well, as soon as we get the Sunni tribes fully armed, all systems are a-go.

swarthyguy  posted on  2007-08-21   17:05:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: swarthyguy (#2)

If we rile the Iraqi Shiahs, how do we maintain those supply lines out of Kuwait?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-08-21   17:08:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: aristeides (#3)

We shouldn't rile the Shias, for starters, but since that is probably going to be a non starter now, we move troops into the zones along the highways to be vacated by the Britishers.

swarthyguy  posted on  2007-08-21   17:11:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Eoghan (#0)

to replace it with a team better able to forge national unity.

Better able to pass the OIL law, yamean.

Careful what you wish for Senator you might get it. Then what?

swarthyguy  posted on  2007-08-21   17:13:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Eoghan (#0)

The Democratic chairman, Senator Carl Levin of Michigan, and the committee's ranking Republican, Senator John Warner

These two are longtime failures as Senators, so why not try to be Americans and call for a complete change in our government.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-08-21   17:15:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: swarthyguy (#4)

You may remember that we had trouble maintaining control of a three-mile stretch of road between Baghdad and its airport.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-08-21   17:16:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: aristeides (#7)

he..

A Land ruled by Murphy's Law filled with Hobson's Choices in an Arabian Quagmire.

swarthyguy  posted on  2007-08-21   17:18:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: swarthyguy (#5)

Careful what you wish for Senator you might get it. Then what?

Then what? Well then we have to hit the reset button and give the new government a chance to turn things around. Maybe another 4 or 5 years. Must be running out of lackey generals to send over to get a redo. We're never leaving. It's just all a dog and pony show for the public.

Arete  posted on  2007-08-21   17:31:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Eoghan (#0)

"I've concluded that this is a government which cannot, is unable to, achieve a political settlement," Levin said. "It is too bound to its own sectarian roots, and it is too tied to forces in Iraq, which do not yield themselves to compromise."

And for the sake of argument Senator; let's say that Maliki and his government do yeild themselves to compromise? Let's say they do everything you and Bush ask of them?

And? So what? See Senator- why don't you stop the childish games? This government has NO POWER. It has no power 200 feet beyond the Green Zone- ANYWHERE IN IRAQ. Hell- it's laws don't even RULE THE GREEN ZONE! America does. This is a government that doesn't control it's borders and that isn't told of high level visits of DC bigshots until they are already in the next room in the Green Zone!

So what the hell are you talking about? Compromise? Over what? The flavor tea they drink in the Haliburton Canteen? No one is Iraq gives a crap what Maliki does or doesn't do. At all. Not the militias, not the resistance, not anyone. He is a non factor entirley. Window dressing. Stop the bullshit!

Such diversionary spittle. All talk in our media about what this "Government" does or doesn't do is DRIVEL!

The Daily Burkeman1

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-08-21   17:33:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Arete (#9)

the new government

I was thinking of a nationalist strongman, who might not be as amenable to our interests.

As far as leaving, I tend to agree. As the saying goes, the Last American to die there hasn't been born yet.

swarthyguy  posted on  2007-08-21   17:34:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: swarthyguy (#2)

OverLord Okkupiers

catchy

"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma Gandhi

angle  posted on  2007-08-21   17:52:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Burkeman1 (#10)

It was clear from Bush's comments on the evening news tonight that what Bush really blames Maliki for is the failure to get the oil law approved.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-08-21   18:44:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Arete (#9)

Well then we have to hit the reset button and give the new government a chance to turn things around.

Looks like our government is bound and determined to repeat all the mistakes of Vietnam.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-08-21   18:46:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: aristeides, Arete, Mekons4, ghostdogtxn, Cynicom, ... (#14)

Well then we have to hit the reset button and give the new government a chance to turn things around.

Looks like our government is bound and determined to repeat all the mistakes of Vietnam.

It's not like anyone in the Bush admin participated in or even remembers what happened in Vietnam, so it's like the first time for them. I guess Dubya's extensive reading list didn't include anything from those years either.

Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today!

robin  posted on  2007-08-21   18:58:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: aristeides (#14)

Looks like our government is bound and determined to repeat all the mistakes of Vietnam.

The government knew then and knows now exactly what it was doing. All very intentional and planned. Once the stock market bubble burst in 2000, the country was headed into a very big and bad recession. WOT, Iraq invasion and occupation, tax cuts, low interest rates and massive government spending has and is being used to avoid the consequences of the late 90's boom. Think about where our economy would be right now if the government hadn't hired (directly and indirectly through contractors) literally millions of Americans with all the massive spending. They've crossed the Rubicon once and for all. Nothing left to do except keep spending more and more. Dreams of smaller government are nothing more than nonsense at this point.

Arete  posted on  2007-08-21   19:09:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: robin, aristeides, Arete, Mekons4, Cynicom, ... (#15)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-08-22   9:39:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Eoghan (#0)

U.S. senator calls for change in Iraqi leadership

That's pretty fucking funny. The American people for the last 8 years wanted new leadership too, and look what it got us.

Give me a fucking break. Who really wants regime change in Iraq, and for what reason?

What they, and by they, I mean you know who, wants is for American blood to be shed in wars that flat out do not truly concern us.

The middle east doesn't produce as much oil as other places in the world, that would gladly sell it to us cheaper. We could have had more fucking oil than ever. We Americans could be taking baths in the shit if our leaders hadn't fucked up good and proper. Then again, it was all by design in the first fucking place, so there should be no pretension as to what the agenda is.

The Constitution isn't just a piece of paper, it's a fucking bird cage liner, for mutant ostriches.

If this country's leadership wants change, it ought to start here at home with who is really calling the shots.

Dying for old bastards, and their old money, isn't my idea of freedom.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2007-08-22   9:44:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: ghostdogtxn (#17)

no government on Earth would be so stupid as to repeat it all over again, so it must be a myth.

If you look around and beyond this "war" you will see we are making preparations for the next war. As are other countries.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-08-22   9:49:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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