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Title: WHOOOO!!!! French in disarray as they admit EU treaty vote is lost
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-1628272,00.htm
URL Source: http://timesonline
Published: May 26, 2005
Author: some jerk
Post Date: 2005-05-26 08:18:15 by gengis gandhi
Keywords: WHOOOO!!!!, disarray, French
Views: 159
Comments: 28
Europe May 26, 2005 French in disarray as they admit EU treaty vote is lost By Charles Bremner in Paris and Philip Webster, Political Editor THE leader of France’s ruling party has privately admitted that Sunday’s referendum on the European constitution will result in a “no” vote, throwing Europe into turmoil. “The thing is lost,” Nicolas Sarkozy told French ministers during an ill-tempered meeting. “It will be a little ‘no’ or a big ‘no’,” he was quoted as telling Jean-Pierre Raffarin, the Prime Minister, whom he accused of leading a feeble campaign. Although Europe would be thrown into disarray, the Government would be greatly relieved if M Sarkozy were right. Ministers have privately told The Times that Britain is prepared to ditch its commitment to a referendum if France, or the Netherlands next Wednesday, vote against the constitution. They believe that if the French say “no”, President Chirac will have to declare the constitution dead or promise a renegotiation. Because French voters consider that the treaty has already given too many concessions to Britain, ministers see no likelihood of the Government being able to put a renegotiated treaty to the country. Tony Blair would instead have to use Britain’s imminent EU presidency to try to save those parts of the constitution that can be enforced without a treaty. That could mean that mechanical changes, such as ending the six-month rotating presidency of the EU, could go through. The mood of pessimism that descended on the French Government after ten successive polls showing the “no” camp leading was echoed by Valéry Giscard d’Estaing, the former French President, who drafted the constitution. He blamed the failures of the “yes” campaign on the half-heartedness of France’s leaders. “Our current leaders are of course believers in the idea of Europe but in their heart of hearts they are not men and women who are inspired by a European feeling,” he told a French newspaper. President Chirac will go on television tonight to deliver a last-ditch appeal to his country to resist the temptation to vote “no” and trigger a crisis for the whole European Union. But the President, who called the referendum in July last year but has done little campaigning, was reported to be pessimistic and telling visitors to the Elysée Palace that he expected a “no”. M Sarkozy’s outburst came after M Raffarin, who is expected to lose his job in the event of a defeat, told ministers and the leadership of M Chirac’s UMP party that they should avoid defeatism but be prepared to limit the damage from the crisis from a “no”, party sources said. After Philippe Douste-Blazy, the Health Minister, insisted that “we should trust the head of state”, M Sarkozy retorted: “Everything has to change — our way of doing politics . . . the labour law.” He said that the UMP would demand changes after the referendum and that “the Government had better follow the party”, the sources said. M Sarkozy wants to be President and is locked in a bitter rivalry with M Chirac. The leaking of the row by M Sarkozy’s camp was a sign of the rising bad blood between the party leader and M Chirac’s team. Mr Blair, pressed in the Commons to make plain that Britain would not go ahead if there were a rejection of the treaty in France’s vote on Sunday or the Dutch poll next Wednesday, effectively did so. He said yesterday only that there would be a referendum before any constitutional treaty was ratified in Britain. He carefully avoided saying that there would be a referendum come what may. He said: “If any country did vote ‘no’ there would have to be a discussion at the European Council on it to see the way forward and there is really nothing else to say at this point.”
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#1. To: christine, lodwick, mr nuke, arator (#0)
HAHAHAHAHAHA. Told you dumb asses...(oh, i mean that in a positive way...);-0 the winds have changed. 'you'reeee wellcommmme...' focus on the change you desire, not the status quo, or easily manipulated sources of fear and concern.
While hunting for the article on the times, found this related one: Europeans are shouting 'no' for one reason: it's their economies, stupid
It would seem that issuance of the Euro before having a true European union was a bit premature.
How so? It's stilll way above parity with the once-almighty dollar.
Is the European Union viable at this point?
I have to leave now. Just think about the fate of Confederate money. If the EU collapses, so does the Euro.
Gathering all the Europian countries under one "flag" is a big step toward the NWO agenda. The rulers will not let a defeat stop them. Richard W.
Yes, I know. There may still be hurdles in their road. Investing in Euros is very hazardous at this time.
Can you imagine the chaos in Europe if the Euro falls? And, what impact would it have on the rest of the world?
I guess that all depends on how far and how fast. From everything that I've read, the EUers want a lower currency so they can export more. Sell us more Cuisinarts -- And Polish glass art from Target -- Richard W.
Yes. They may not get the whole loaf in one big bite, but they are inevitably going there a little bit at a time. It will be a reality long before the Constitution makes it official.
They'll just keep trying, and eventually they'll get the vote they want. A "yes" vote is in theory permanent, while a "no" vote isn't.
Exactly right. They'll just keep bringing it up until it passes. Richard W.
no, these guys have lost control of the situation long ago. They simply now are beginning to realize it. The foundation of their control stems from manipulating belief and consciousness, mind control. As awareness increases, mind control is no longer effective. It works only so long. To be effective, it must be subtle and covert. The information revolution has changed that. Additionally, there are other things happening with individual consciousness on a large scale that isn't being talked about. Consider how much wiser you are now than just ten years ago....the paradigm is shifting, subtly and slowly, but its there. the other factor is that the europeans have in their 'genetic consciousness', if you will, the tendency to not get along well with each other, ever, for any reason, for any length of time. The only thing they really have in common is their quarrelous and contentious nature. There is no way in hell they CAN ever be united...it's just not the way they are....and you'll not be able to socialize them into thinking collectively, which is what that twittering little shitbag is referring to when he mentions ruefully that the people simply 'don't have a european feeling'... let me tell you all something, okay? these fuckers are NOT THAT SMART dammit. In fact, due to the workings of their brain, they have absolutely no insight whatsoever, no wisdom, nothing. They operate out of their old reptilian brain, the sociopath, survival driven, amoral region, and they haven't activated the frontal lobes and centers of higher thought. This is why they are spiritually retarded, by the way. like the wizard of oz, these bastards are not what they want you to believe.
like the wizard of oz, these bastards are not what they want you to believe. Exactly right. One just needs to look at the true genius's throughout history and they live nothing like the self avowed crowd of PTB's. Really intelligent people have no desire to be worshiped, be materialistic or be money driven in any way. They in fact tend to be very conscientious in their actions all of which tend to be just the opposite of the NWO crowd.
hey, these guys are just bullies. they send others out to do their dirty work. they have no honor or courage. they have had priveledge and the life that comes with it. having never known or overcome true adversity on a personal level, they lack the wisdom and insight that comes with such experience. paper tigers, virtual manhood, airbrushed virility.
"It's for the children." PARIS May 26, 2005 — President Jacques Chirac made a dramatic last-ditch appeal Thursday for French voters to ratify the European Union's first constitution, saying their choice is "about your future and that of your children." Chirac urged the French not to turn Sunday's referendum into a vote of sanction against his government. "The decision before us goes far beyond traditional political divisions," he said in a televised address from the Elysee Palace. "Genuine European power" is needed, Chirac said, to face economic competition from the United States, Japan and China. And he said Europeans would regard French rejection of the EU constitution "as a no to Europe." Chirac Urges French OK of EU Consitution Richard W.
Unfortunately for Chirac, I think the French understand very well that the choice is about their future and that of their children. What few children they have, anyway. :/
If the French have any sense at all, they'll give Chirac and the other NWO central planners, a big one finger salute. Richard W.
Just like the Clinton administration lost control of Hillary Care -- and yet we have it today. They just passed it piecemeal.
Eternal Vigilance The squeeze is on the French politicians as the French voters and economy feel the pinch of "outsourcing" of jobs to Ukraine and other former Eastern Bloc countries. This, along with cheap imports from China and other low wage countries has wrecked the French economy much as NAFTA and other free trade deals have wrecked the economy here in the U.S. Another factor is the uncontrolled immigration that steals jobs from those native born people for the benefit of providing cheap imported labor for the large corporate operations who still have domestic production facilities. Dutch 'No' Vote Looming Large In other EU constitution developments in the Netherlands, Henk Ruyssenaars reports that the corrupt Dutch judiciary has blocked a complaint by the No Constitution Committee of the Netherlands which challenged the Dutch government's "allocation of €3.5 million to the 'yes' campaign for the 1 June referendum" as unlawful. Also, a poll conducted by the Dutch NSS-Interview Institute on Friday, May 20th showed a resounding defeat looming for the EU constitution referendum with 63 per cent of respondents opposed to the treaty, and 37 per cent in favor. Another poll conducted the next day by the Maurice de Hond Institute showed 60% opposed and 40% in favor. In a London Telegraph story, we find this interesting bit of information. "Of course it [the constitution] is not perfect," he wrote in the French newspaper Le Figaro. "But it is an undeniable step towards the European ideal. A step forward, towards the Europe we want, the citizens' Europe." Speaking to reporters in The Hague, he refused to speculate about the chance of a No vote. "I have experienced so often as prime minister that polls are different than the final outcome. Next week is the real moment," he said. "Everybody's vote counts. The question is whether we go ahead with Europe or stand still." Ruyssenaars further reports that in Britain, "There is a now fast growing public skepticism about some important parts of the new European constitution. ...where the 'pro Bush' Blair government plays the role of '5th colone' - the 'worst traitor' in the EU, Bush's warmongering poodle Blair, speaks with a misleading loud voice about democracy, etc." All in all, this report is good news for European Nationalists and a bitter pill to swallow for the European globalist cabal. As Alex Jones says, "We are on the march, the Empire is on the run."
I was at the European American Conference 2005 in New Orleans last weekend and I can say unequivocally that the European Nationalist parties are united in their efforts and desire to turn back the tide of massive immigration and to reverse the globalist schemes of free trade and other sovereignty robbing agreements. And we Nationalists in the United States, Canada, Austrailia and other white, Christian nations are united in mind and spirit with the Europeans. This is a time that is long in coming. The tide always turns and the time of the globalists is coming to an end. Their schemes run counter to human nature and will never succeed.
If you want to see the nazis in this country win, keep rooting for the French way left nuts vote this down. We need a rational financial opponent, or we will go face to face with the Chinese, and we will lose.
glad to hear it. i have sensed this for a while. no one wants the eu. now, the next step is punishing all world leaders and corporate scum who are behind it. remove them from the picture. it must be done.
It must be and it will be done.
I don't disagree with this statement. I only suggest that the road to their goal will have bumps. And, anyone who invests in Euros at this point is investing in a hazardous venue. If the Euro becomes only paper money, investors stand to lose.
Geographical unions will become reality. Our masters have this future mapped out, and they will not be denied their profits.
A store is opening is Sioux Falls, SD which is advertising wares from thirty- five countries. Internationalism and the fall of nationalism is in our future.
#2. To: gengis gandhi (#0)
#3. To: All (#0)
#4. To: Don (#3)
#5. To: Sam Houston (#4)
#6. To: Sam Houston (#4)
#7. To: Don (#5)
Is the European Union viable at this point?
#8. To: Arete (#7)
#9. To: Arete (#7)
#10. To: Don (#9)
Can you imagine the chaos in Europe if the Euro falls?
#11. To: Don (#5)
Is the European Union viable at this point?
#12. To: Arete (#7)
The rulers will not let a defeat stop them.
#13. To: Tauzero (#12)
A "yes" vote is in theory permanent, while a "no" vote isn't.
#14. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#11)
#15. To: gengis gandhi (#14)
these fuckers are NOT THAT SMART dammit. In fact, due to the workings of their brain, they have absolutely no insight whatsoever, no wisdom, nothing. They operate out of their old reptilian brain, the sociopath, survival driven, amoral region, and they haven't activated the frontal lobes and centers of higher thought. This is why they are spiritually retarded, by the way.
#16. To: timetobuildaboat (#15)
#17. To: Tauzero (#12)
#18. To: Arete (#17)
#19. To: Tauzero (#18)
#20. To: gengis gandhi (#14)
no, these guys have lost control of the situation long ago.
#21. To: gengis gandhi (#0)
The people need jobs and the only way to keep them is to remove the free trade deals and force the corporations to keep their manufacturing facilities in place. 
Polls show that there is still a large number of undecided voters with the 'No' vote gaining ground Jan Peter Balkenende, the Dutch prime minister, appealed to French and Dutch voters yesterday to shun the appeals from the increasingly confident No campaigners.
#22. To: gengis gandhi (#14)
the other factor is that the europeans have in their 'genetic consciousness', if you will, the tendency to not get along well with each other, ever, for any reason, for any length of time.
#23. To: gengis gandhi (#0)
#24. To: BTP Holdings (#22)
#25. To: gengis gandhi (#24)
it must be done.
#26. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#11)
but they are inevitably going there a little bit at a time
#27. To: gengis gandhi (#24)
no one wants the eu.
#28. To: Arete (#10)
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