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Title: Fossil Reanalysis Pushes Back Origin of Homo sapiens
Source: sciam
URL Source: http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?ch ... DFE-C0B7-1213-80B783414B7F0000
Published: Feb 17, 2005
Author: unlisted
Post Date: 2005-02-17 05:49:36 by 2Trievers
Keywords: Reanalysis, sapiens, Fossil
Views: 1890
Comments: 185

A new analysis of human remains first discovered in 1967 suggests that they are in fact much older than previously believed. The results, published today in the journal Nature, push back the emergence of our species by nearly 35,000 years.

Ian McDougall of the Australian National University in Canberra and his colleagues worked with two well-known fossil finds known as Omo I and Omo II, which were recovered from Ethiopia's Kibish Formation by Richard Leakey. The remains include two partial skulls as well as arm, leg, foot and pelvis bones for Omo I. "Anthropologists said they looked very different in their evolutionary status," remarks study co-author Frank Brown of the University of Utah. "Omo I appeared to be essentially modern Homo sapiens and Omo II appeared to be more primitive." At the time, the bones were dated to 130,000 years ago, based on radioactive decay of uranium and thorium from oyster shells found nearby. This time the scientists returned to the southern Ethiopian site and identified the resting places of both individuals. They also unearthed another part of a femur bone for Omo I that fits together with the original remains.

The researchers then analyzed the volcanic ash layers above and below the river sediment that contained the fossils using argon dating. They determined that the rock just below the fossils dated to 196,000 years ago. Because the layers of the Kibish Formation formed quickly during wet seasons that inundated the area with organic matter, the team posits that the bones are only slightly younger than this underlying layer. In addition, a layer of ash more than 150 feet above the burial sites dates to 104,000 years old, putting a limit on their age. Using other evidence, which drained from the Nile and the Omo rivers onto the Mediterranean seafloor, the researchers attest that the Omo fossils are most likely no younger than 190,000 years old.

Previously the oldest known traces of our species were fossils from Herto, Ethiopia, that date to about 160,000 years ago. The older age of the Omo remains is concordant with dates suggested by genetic studies for the origin of our species, says study co-author John Fleagle of Stony Brook University. He adds that "as modern human anatomy is documented at earlier and earlier sites, it becomes evident that there was a great time gap between the appearance of the modern skeleton and 'modern' behavior."

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#1. To: 2Trievers (#0)

Would love to see some of the creationist types on LP "respond" to this new information.

Wait...no, I wouldn't

My favorite explanation so far came at a church service I attended where you could "ask the pastor anything". Someone asked about the apparent difference between the measured age of the universe and the actual Creation timeline.

Answer: God created it already "old."

Politicians could learn a lot from preachers on the subject of spin.

Created it old, He did. Yup.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-02-17   6:22:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Samuel Gray (#1)

Answer: God created it already "old."

I think that the only time I ever "won" one of these arguments was when I replied to a propostion like the one above by observing that by that token, God could have created the world yesterday, or five minutes ago for that matter, and we would never know.

That kind of stopped my friend in his tracks. It really seemed to trouble him.

randge  posted on  2005-02-17   11:32:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: randge (#8)

This little "ask the pastor anything" session was very instructive, not from the standpoint of the quality of information he disseminated, but from the fact that some people want to believe anything SO badly that they'll set aside logic, common sense, etc, in an effort to embrace their "faith."

The "Dinosaurs on the Ark" discussion itself was priceless.

I was nearly denounced as a heretic for asking which of the hundreds of species of hummingbirds were selected for inclusion on the ark, what'd they do with the insects, etc.

I think I know why it requires a child-like faith to believe. Beyond that, one's questioning nature renders the whole religion thing moot (or it does to me).

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-02-17   11:39:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Samuel Gray (#9)

I think I know why it requires a child-like faith to believe. Beyond that, one's questioning nature renders the whole religion thing moot (or it does to me).

Now chocolate cake without chocolate frosting. That's heresy.

2Trievers  posted on  2005-02-17   22:16:06 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: 2Trievers (#35)

Nice one 2Trievers, Thanks.

tom007  posted on  2005-02-17   22:57:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: tom007, Cagey (#36)

Honest to pete ... someone sent me this wind-up yesterday ... NUN-ZILLA!!

The spark of religion
Say your prayers! No one is safe from the wrath of Nunzilla! This fire-breathing wind-up sister trudges straight out of a Catholic-school student's nightmare like a determined disciplinary force, with green eyes blazing and sparks flying from her mouth. Wearing the traditional black and white habit and carrying a Bible in one hand and a ruler in the other, this holy terror will have you owning up to transgressions from as far back as birth. 2" tall and made of hard plastic, packaged in a custom cathedral-style box.

2Trievers  posted on  2005-02-17   23:11:35 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: 2Trievers (#37)

Say your prayers! No one is safe from the wrath of Nunzilla!

isin't she wearing a Burka?

I say nuke her for the sake of freedom.

Flintlock  posted on  2005-02-17   23:50:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Flintlock (#39)

2Trievers  posted on  2005-02-18   4:24:58 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: 2Trievers, Zipporah (#48)

Where did you find that? That was a magnet at the Whole Foods Grocery. I told Zipporah about it several weeks ago, but could only describe it. I love it.

crack monkey  posted on  2005-02-18   13:24:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#68. To: crack monkey (#66)

you know what the really sad part of what is happening w/ the so-called Christian community and being in bed politically with the RNC? It's that what the are doing and what they say absolutely is a contradicition of what scripture says.. and nothing whatsoever to do with Jesus nor His teachings. As Jesus said in Matthew:

21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord!' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to Me, 'Lord, Lord, didn't we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name?' 23 Then I will announce to them, 'I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!'

24 "Therefore, everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them will be like a sensible man who built his house on the rock. 25 The rain fell, the rivers rose, and the winds blew and pounded that house. Yet it didn't collapse, because its foundation was on the rock. 26 But everyone who hears these words of Mine and doesn't act on them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. 27 The rain fell, the rivers rose, the winds blew and pounded that house, and it collapsed. And its collapse was great!"

Zipporah  posted on  2005-02-18 13:39:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: crack monkey (#66)

I can't find the link right now ... maybe "Cheesy Jesus"? If I run across it again, I'll let you know.

2Trievers  posted on  2005-02-18 16:23:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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