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Title: Judge Orders a Web Site (Bob Shutz's We The People Foundation We The People Congress) Selling Tax-Evasion Advice to Close
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/real ... one/UFNtaxevasionsiteclose.htm
Published: Sep 2, 2007
Author: David Cay Johnston
Post Date: 2007-09-02 18:37:39 by christine
Keywords: None
Views: 194
Comments: 12

A Web site that sells materials stating that individuals can legally stop paying taxes has been shut on the order of a federal judge.

Judge Thomas J. McAvoy, a senior judge in the Northern District of New York who issued the order on Aug. 9, wrote that the First Amendment did not protect the two organizations that operate the Web site, or their founder, because the site incited criminal conduct. Judge McAvoy ruled that some people who went to the Web site stopped paying taxes, causing the government harm.

Judge McAvoy also ordered that the names, addresses, telephone numbers, e-mail addresses and Social Security numbers of every person who received materials on how to stop paying taxes be turned over to the government.

This information would make it easy for the Internal Revenue Service to identify people who followed the illegal advice and for the Justice Department to prosecute them for tax crimes.

The civil court order is one of at least 245 permanent injunctions obtained by federal prospectors that prohibit individuals and organizations that deny the legitimacy of the tax laws or who sell tax evasion schemes from marketing their wares.

Robert L. Schulz of Queensbury, N.Y., the founder of both organizations behind the Web site — the We The People Foundation for Constitutional Education and the We The People Congress — posted the court order at the Web site http://givemeliberty.org, and closed the rest of the site even though he said yesterday that the order did not specify that he do so. He also said he had filed an appeal with the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit.

His organization rose to prominence with a series of full-page newspaper ads, starting in 2001, asserting that the government tricks people into paying taxes. The ads solicited donations, which it said were fully tax-deductible.

Judge McAvoy, quoting from a declaration that Mr. Schulz sent to the court, said that Mr. Schulz wrote that he started “operation stop withholding” as “a national campaign to instruct company officials, workers and independent contractors on how to legally stop wage withholding.”

In a 25-page decision, the judge wrote that “undisputed evidence” established that Mr. Schulz and his organizations “knew, or had reason to know, that their statements were false.”

He said that because Mr. Schulz was taking $20 payments for a package of materials that supposedly showed how to legally stop paying taxes, the Web site could be shut down as commercial speech that urged criminal conduct.

Even if the Web site was not commercial in nature, Judge McAvoy said, it could be shut because people who followed the advice at the Web site engaged in criminal conduct.

“The First Amendment does not protect speech that incites imminent lawless action,” the judge wrote, citing a 1969 Supreme Court decision.

Because Mr. Schulz and his organization “are not merely advocating, but have gone the extra step in instructing others how to engage in illegal activity and have supplied the means to do so” the judge added, “their speech may be enjoined.”


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This so soon after Tommy Cryer's win....

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#1. To: christine (#0)

Appeal this jerk-off's decision immediately.

(How's the machine doing now?)

Join the Ron Paul Revolution

Lod  posted on  2007-09-02   18:41:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: lodwick (#1)

just did a spysweep and i'm going to try and d/l firefox again.

christine  posted on  2007-09-02   18:57:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: christine (#0)

The 2nd district court of appeals has already enjoined the motion to force WTP to release all of it's friends' names to the IRS, and they fully expect the court to vacate the rest of the onerous lower court orders on September 18.

The appeals court seems to be better acquainted with the 1st amendment and the IRS dirty trix, and things are looking up at this point.

She spent all my money, wrecked my new car....and now she's with one of my good time buddies and they're drinkin' in some crosstown bar..."__Allman Bros

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-09-02   19:17:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: HOUNDDAWG (#3)

oh good

christine  posted on  2007-09-02   19:21:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: christine (#0)

some people who went to the Web site stopped paying taxes, causing the government harm.

How dare they cause the government harm!


"every time government grows it is at the expense of personal liberty" - Ron Paul

farmfriend  posted on  2007-09-02   19:24:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: farmfriend (#5)

isn't that ridiculous verbiage?

christine  posted on  2007-09-02   19:26:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: christine (#6)

isn't that ridiculous verbiage?

Well yeah but does show exactly what and how they think.


"every time government grows it is at the expense of personal liberty" - Ron Paul

farmfriend  posted on  2007-09-02   19:28:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: christine, farmfriend (#4)

The court of appeals also ordered oral arguments on the 18th!

The DOJ must be flipping out!

It will all come down to "Why didn't the IRS, the Congress, the DOJ or someone answer the petition for redress? Why use an injunction and threatened criminal sanctions instead of showing WTP "the law that don't never bee"?

She spent all my money, wrecked my new car....and now she's with one of my good time buddies and they're drinkin' in some crosstown bar..."__Allman Bros

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-09-02   19:32:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: christine, farmfriend (#6) (Edited)

Updates here.

link

She spent all my money, wrecked my new car....and now she's with one of my good time buddies and they're drinkin' in some crosstown bar..."__Allman Bros

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-09-02   19:51:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: farmfriend (#5)

Having grown up reading "Wizard of Id" in the Sunday comics, for me the epitome of free speech rights vs the power of the king is embodied in the peasant cry "The king is a fink". Of course saying such things hurts the king, but that doesn't mean it's wrong.

Fast forward to the 20th & 21st centuries, and saying anything that hurts the government is now a crime. You can no longer say anything in public that hurts the king, according to this judge who deserves his own character in "Id".

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Pinguinite  posted on  2007-09-02   23:10:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Pinguinite (#10)

Exactly!


"every time government grows it is at the expense of personal liberty" - Ron Paul

farmfriend  posted on  2007-09-03   0:27:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: christine, *libertarians* (#0)

ping

Why settle for the lesser of two evils, vote Cthulhu!

freepatriot32  posted on  2007-09-03   5:08:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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