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Title: Trans-Texas Corridor: Can this possibly be stopped?
Source: RENEWAMERICA.us
URL Source: http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/herring/070901
Published: Sep 3, 2007
Author: Joshua Herring
Post Date: 2007-09-03 17:14:28 by richard9151
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September 1, 2007

Joshua Herring

RenewAmerica analyst

Perhaps it isn't going to be as easy for big government and big business magnates to abusively strip Americans of their homes, their businesses, and their property as they originally thought it would be following the latest Supreme Court ruling on eminent domain. In an analysis published by RenewAmerica not long ago titled "A three pronged attack to bring down America," I dealt to some extent with the Free Trade Agreements NAFTA and CAFTA, and I outlined some of the potential threats involved.

One of the things I touched on is what has been called "North America's SuperCorridor." This is a byproduct of NAFTA that is to be a highway four hundred yards wide. Actually, there are plans in the works that will link another stretch of highway to this "SuperCorridor" that is to run up from Panama to facilitate plans being made for the sake of CAFTA as well, but I lack both the time and the room get into all that here.

Bigger is not always better

At any rate, as I said before, this "SuperCorridor" is to run through several Mexican states and then through Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Kansas, Indiana, Michigan, Illinois, Nebraska, Minnesota, North Dakota, and South Dakota, and the Canadian provinces of Manitoba and Ontario. When I saw a map drawn to scale of this highway, in all its width and immensity, with all the necessary connecting links that are planned for Texas to go where they need it to, I was awestruck. The average American citizen has no idea how much turf the Texas Department of Transportation and global enterprises will have to chew up to facilitate their plans.

As one begins to look into this matter, it quickly becomes obvious that the good of the American people cannot possibly be served by swallowing up the nation the way they plan to with this highway. And this is only one of many devastating aspects of the overall objective. The economic plans that are in the works will swallow the American economy the way the SuperCorridor will swallow up the turf. In fact, although many Americans aren't seeing what is going down for what it really is just yet, our economy is already half chewed and digested by men of global power and prestige — both within and outside of national governments — as a result of their insatiable appetite for even more money and power than they already have.

What is at the root of all this?

Of course, those involved in the planning try and dignify the plans as if their interests and motives are virtuous, noble, and in the best interest of the public. But just in case anyone is missing the point, despite any amount of denial by those involved in what is going on, this is all part of a long-range plan to form a North American Union. (NAU) The reason so few people are aware is that at this point it is still a matter of covert action, involving the Bush government, the Canadian government, and the Mexican government, coordinating with members of high-powered multinational corporations to sustain a plan that has been methodically going forward for many years now. It is also a plan which, despite all the denials being put forth by those involved, will take us right where the European Union has taken so many nations.

By virtue of multinational economic cooperation on a level unprecedented in all of global history, things that become necessary to facilitate such cooperation gradually dissolve that which distinguishes national identities. This is caused by, among other things, the diminution of private economic interests and enterprises — such as small businesses that have always been such an important part of American life — and which are one of the foundations of what was for so long known as "the American dream."

Is it actually progress or just a big facade?

In the transition that takes place as a result of radical economic integration, many of the national economies become weakened in areas and ways that make them increasingly vulnerable to — and dependent upon — the multinational system. They are first seduced and then drawn in before being brought under submission to the system. This is passed off as "progress" by those who benefit from such dissolution and destruction of traditional lifestyles and cultures. The many (commoners) increasingly suffer and pay the price, as the few (elites) continue to take greater control of nations and of the lives of the many — sapping the substance out of their lives, destroying their national heritage, and swallowing up their inheritance as a result.

This, of course, will inevitably lead to a common currency — and to what amounts, for all intents and purposes, to a shadow government that supersedes national governments in many areas — gradually abolishing the sovereignty of every nation involved. It all starts with the kind of economic planning and cooperation that has given birth to the idea of "North America's SuperCorridor, " the first American stage of which is to begin with what is referred to as the Trans-Texas Corridor.

The Trans-Texas Corridor

I intend to do a fairly extensive analysis on the NAU that is forming that will require a series with at least three segments to cover even the bare essentials sufficiently. However there is something I believe everyone should know about right now. There are some of you out there who need to prepare for the same kind of action to save your property from being brutally and unjustly seized by government agencies in days to come. In the last analysis on things related to this subject I wrote:

When I consider the most recent Supreme Court decision pertaining to eminent domain, I think, "How utterly convenient that is, and what a coincidence." This ruling permits local governments to seize homes and businesses for private projects that "promote economic development." This was a highly irregular decision by the Court, to say the very least, and it was certainly well-timed to facilitate the needs of those planning the "SuperCorridor." This highway is to provide not only truck routes entering the United States from Mexico; it will include both passenger and freight railroad lines that run alongside of oil and natural gas pipelines.

The Supreme Court ruling of which I speak, Kelo v. City of New London, has made it easy for government agencies to virtually strip American citizens of their homes and businesses with little or no meaningful opposition. The Texas legislature tried to at least slow down the Trans-Texas Corridor. But the governor, Rick Perry, did some hardnosed work to prevent any effective opposition to the Corridor, and he had it aced . . . or so he thought.

To put it in the words of one person I talked to: "All of the agreements were forged in darkness. Sunshine laws are banned regarding the NAU, SAPP, TTC and the rest of the NAFTA superhighway." (Laws that preserve and encourage openness are known as "Sunshine Laws.")

Greedy and corrupt politicians are being used as facilitators by globalists

By the time Gov. Perry was finished shooting down proposed legislation in Texas — part of which would have imposed a two-year moratorium on the TTC if Governor Perry hadn't vetoed the bill, and some of which would have strengthened the grip of Texas citizens on their rights and their property — the Texas Department of Transportation was exempt from observing Historical Landmark Preservation laws, open-process competitive bidding, open-meeting negotiation the public can attend, public release of proposals and research, and scrutiny regarding environmental impacts, because they're doing that themselves . . . or so they thought — but:

TxDoT isn't Santa Anna, this isn't the Alamo . . . and these Texans believe they can win!

TxDoT, Gov. Perry, and his big business supporters thought they had it aced. There was just one little problem with all this. In order to build the Trans-Texas Corridor, estimates regarding how much private property would have to be seized under eminent domain land-grab laws have been as high as 584,000 acres. This is to say nothing of the other states I mentioned this highway going through. I'm talking about 584,000 acres in the state of Texas alone. Well, some Texans did the math and decided that there must be something that can be done about it . . . and it seems they were right.

Furthermore, there are some real Jim Bowie and Davy Crocket types among them who are just brave enough and stubborn enough to make a stand and fight for their principles all the way down the line, whatever the cost. This fight is liable to become very dangerous at some point — there are billions of dollars on the line, some of which has already been spent. But these people did some investigating into local laws in their counties and found out that they don't really have to lie down and allow Perry, TxDoT, and Cintra-Zachry Construction Corporation to run over them like that.

There are laws on the books in the state of Texas that require state agencies to cooperate with local entities on such projects or the agencies cannot do anything at all. And now that these Texans have learned of this, the proponents of the Trans-Texas Corridor, despite all their big money backing and political clout, have a real fight on their hands.

Serving papers . . . and a big surprise over who has the upper hand at this point

As of Monday, August 27, Gov. Perry, the Texas Department of Transportation, and the Environmental Protection Agency were notified of the move to stop the TTC. The four Texas cities of Bartlett, Holland, Little River-Academy, and Rogers formed the Eastern Central Texas Sub-Regional Planning Commission (ECTSRPC) to fight the TTC. Moreover, among other things, they are depending on federal court decisions that have set precedents in favor of landowners, but never involving something of this magnitude, in other federal districts to add backbone to the local laws they are utilizing.

The mayor of Holland, Texas — Mae Smith — has been elected president of the ECTSRPC. In the words of the newly elected president: "This is one issue all four cities are united behind to save our rural way of life." Ralph Snyder, a member of the commission who is business owner from Holland said:

The purpose of this Commission is to give us a voice in this process. It's our land that the Texas Department of Transportation and our Governor want to take and we are not going to let them pave us over and ignore the concerns of our communities.

The newly formed commission, in an unprecedented move, was formed using the Texas Local Government Code, Chapter 391. This allows cities to develop plans for their local region and to force the state agencies to coordinate with their activities. Under Chapter 391.009(c), TxDoT is required to coordinate with commissions to ensure effective and orderly implementation of state programs at the regional level. The vice president of the newly formed commission, Ronnie White, said: "TxDoT must coordinate with us before they can implement their plans in our region." He also stated that "The TTC is driven by greed and has no respect for our rural way of life." This would have to be the understatement of the century, in my estimation.

After long consultations with attorneys and massive investigation, commission members concluded that there are no loopholes for the state agencies to exploit here. Therefore, under state law, TxDoT will be required to work with the ECTSRPC and coordinate their plans with the local group before any land is taken or any construction begins. Feeling that she is standing on firm ground after all the deliberations and planning and consultations with attorneys, Smith said: "If not, they are in violation of the state statute and we are prepared to take them to court if necessary."

In conclusion

The reason the EPA is being notified is because TxDoT has submitted a Draft Environmental Impact Statement, but they did not coordinate with local government as required under the law. It looks as if TxDoT really has some problems ahead. Some of the work they thought they had finished was done in vain, and the money they spent so doing poured down the drain.

I was offered copies of the letters that were sent to the overbearing government agencies involved, but the letters have since become a matter of public record. In the interest of conciseness, I am just going to share a link to a website that is being formed to share that information and much more in days to come. These people want other Americans to be inspired, to know there is something that can be done, and to learn some things about how to deal with government entities that try to rob them of their land, their rights, and their American heritage

It is time for Americans to wake up to what is going on. It is time to mount up in unified challenges to the threat before big business and an increasingly corrupt government in America takes everything we have, strips us of the few constitutional rights they haven't already stolen, and destroys our way of life completely. There is a clear and present danger here — and the deadline for getting started doing something about it was yesterday — so we had better get moving. The link to the website is: www.stewards.us.

Please help me pray for the people in Texas who are fighting this battle. They are going to need God's help, and possibly more than favor with the judges. What I said about the fact that they could find themselves in real danger due to the billions of dollars of work that has been planned, some of which money has already been spent, was sincere. I have done some talking with them, and these are very bold, brave, and noble Americans who are putting themselves on the line — not only for the sake of trying to protect their own interests, but for the sake of beginning a movement in America that will hopefully reverse the corrupt trend behind the Trans-Texas Corridor and help lead to the saving of this nation.

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#11. To: richard9151, *North American Union*, *The Border* (#0)

Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today!

robin  posted on  2007-09-04   11:42:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: richard9151 (#10)

I do not wish for gunfire; it is not necessary.

Spoken as a true Mexican.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-09-04   12:11:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: richard9151 (#10) (Edited)

I do not wish for gunfire; it is not necessary

there's where you and i and jt and indietx differ. yes, gunfire is necessary because at this point in time that's the only thing that is going to stop what is being done to this country. 98% of texans don't want toll roads, but guess what? we're getting them anyway. words and nonviolent activism by the people no longer work. the only thing these usurpers will understand is a shot between the eyes. yes, it IS time for a second revolution.

christine  posted on  2007-09-04   12:35:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: richard9151 (#10)

I have a loving wife, a nice enough home, and food to eat, books to read, and knowledge to share. What more is there to life?

What more is necessary in life?

To summarize the battle cries of a long-dead and well-known man in my family tree:

FREEDOM!

That is what is required. Laying in your bed fat, dumb, and happy, but being a slave is not enough.

Do you have the courage of a William Wallace to stand up for freedom or do you want to lie down and be a slave?

That is the one and only question that needs to be posed in response to your otherwise excellent missive.

America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.

mirage  posted on  2007-09-04   14:21:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: mirage (#14)

That is the one and only question that needs to be posed in response to your otherwise excellent missive.

Well, let's take it a step further, shall we?

I have no debt, and have not had for many years. My house is paid for. I have no payments. I have no insurance. I do not have and have not had a drivers lic. for more than 15 years. I have no official documentation from any agency of the United States government, including any State of, and have not had for many, many years. I have not used a Social Security number for any purpose for more than 15 years. I have not had, in any Federal Reserve bank, any bank accounts for more than 15 years. WAY MORE!

Now, would you care to supply the answer as to which of us.... is free? And, understands the basis of freedom?

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2007-09-04   14:32:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: richard9151 (#15)

Now, would you care to supply the answer as to which of us.... is free?

I would submit that neither of us are given the machinations running around loose around the both of us that are sweeping the both of us into the same maelstrom.

A lack of documentation doth not a free man create. Nor does a lack of debt; just try not paying your taxes or submitting to the local overlord's whims and see how free you are.

That is true regardless of where you live or what documentation you may or may not carry.

America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.

mirage  posted on  2007-09-04   15:03:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: christine (#13)

there's where you and i and jt and indietx differ. yes, gunfire is necessary because at this point in time that's the only thing that is going to stop what is being done to this country. 98% of texans don't want toll roads, but guess what? we're getting them anyway. words and nonviolent activism by the people no longer work. the only thing these usurpers will understand is a shot between the eyes. yes, it IS time for a second revolution

AMEN BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx

IndieTX  posted on  2007-09-04   15:24:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: richard9151 (#15)

I do not have and have not had a drivers lic. for more than 15 years. I have no official documentation from any agency of the United States government, including any State of, and have not had for many, many years.

Why would someone living in Mexico, as you claim you do, have any of the American documents you list?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-09-04   15:49:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Jethro Tull (#18)

Why would someone living in Mexico, as you claim you do, have any of the American documents you list?

HAH!

For a second there I thought we were dealing with a real, hairy-chested crusader!

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-09-04   16:00:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Jethro Tull, IndieTX, Christine, mirage, all (#18)

Why would someone living in Mexico, as you claim you do, have any of the American documents you list?

I have been here for 9 years, going on ten, and I got rid of all of that non- sense long before coming here. LONG before.

I have posted this before, when I first started in 4um, and people made fun of me (here in 4um) because of the grief that I mentioned that I had to put up with from United States citizens; not from agents of the government.

I drove with no state issued plates on my pickup (my wife's car was duly lic.; I would not put her in danger), no drivers lic., and etc. etc. And I had few problems..... except with 'normal' citizens of Washington, DC. None of whom could understand/would care to understand what or why I was doing something so silly. After all, they lived in the ONLY free nation on the earth, so, what is the point MAN!?

Ever tried, Jethro, to discuss the Federal Reserve with an average citizen of the United States, and explain to them WHY there is a national debt? Try it sometime. I have, countless times, including public meetings arranged specifically for me to speak. And the largest crowd we ever drew? 560, in a city of 800,000 people. And this was after spending $1500 on advertising.

No interest, Jethro. Zero. Nada. And it ain't changed much.

That, Jethro, is why I decided to leave the states, cause let me tell you and the others in 4um something; if any of you think, for even a moment, that there is going to be any nation-wide support for what you are thinking.... better think again. If it comes down to THAT, there will be a small number of people, and it will be a blood bath, and 'they' will be happy.

I have mentioned this before; the only solution is education, of countless numbers of Americans as to what is really going on. And even then........ who knows?

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2007-09-04   17:37:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: mirage (#16)

I would submit that neither of us are given the machinations running around loose around the both of us that are sweeping the both of us into the same maelstrom.

You have a valid point. In large part, freedom today is more in not coming to the attention of someone in a position of power, and, who wants to use that power. And in large part, that means NOT having something that such a person wants, cause there is no way to stop such a man/woman from taking what they want, by force.

There is, simply, no law. And, no courts (not lawful ones, anyway).

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2007-09-04   17:40:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: richard9151 (#21)

In large part, freedom today is more in not coming to the attention of someone in a position of power, and, who wants to use that power. And in large part, that means NOT having something that such a person wants, cause there is no way to stop such a man/woman from taking what they want, by force.

You have a point, but my question still stands. I'll add a few quotes just to further discussion - old phrases and a couple of other questions.

"The only thing that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Burke

"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it." -- Thomas Paine

"But you must remember, my fellow-citizens, that eternal vigilance by the people is the price of liberty, and that you must pay the price if you wish to secure the blessing. It behooves you, therefore, to be watchful in your States as well as in the Federal Government." -- Andrew Jackson

It would appear that the Common Wisdom is that freedom is something one has to fight for or at the very least, work for.

What say you? Is it better to fight for freedom and fail in the attempt or hide hoping to create temporary security?

America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.

mirage  posted on  2007-09-04   17:47:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: richard9151 (#20)

I have been here for 9 years, going on ten, and I got rid of all of that non- sense long before coming here. LONG before.

A drivers license is nonsense? Are you serious? Lots of people shouldn’t be driving and a basic written test along with a driving component is a reasonable way to remove asshats from the road. A drivers license isn’t some intrusion on our constitutional rights; it’s a reasonable way to ensure a modicum of safety. It’s no wonder you ran into trouble by arrogantly driving about, unlicensed, ignoring the rules of the road. Same w/vehicle registration. Just as I want Mexican trucks inspected for safety before entering America, I also want those rent-a-wrecks driving about checked once a year. If they weren’t people would be riding on their rims endangering innocent people. And what does this have to do w/the Federal Reserve? I personally don’t care if they peg our monetary system to conch shells as long as I can get what I want when I want at a reasonable cost. As far as educating American citizens, stay fixed to raising the educational level of your new countrymen. As I’ve already told you, the Mexican educational system is very, very substandard.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-09-04   18:03:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Jethro Tull (#23)

... the Mexican educational system is very, very substandard.

I will say that we're doing our level best to catch up here.

Here in the AISD, with 40% "whites," we've achieved just under a 40% drop-out rate.

Dumbing-down is so passe - we're now into stupidifying the mushheads today.

Join the Ron Paul Revolution

Lod  posted on  2007-09-04   18:16:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: lodwick (#24)

Some American kids are much dumber than others, but thanks to political correctness, diversity, and multiculturalism, we aren't allowed to segregate achievers from the rainbow colored human rocks.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-09-04   18:48:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Jethro Tull (#25)

Some American kids are much dumber than others, but thanks to political correctness, diversity, and multiculturalism, we aren't allowed to segregate achievers from the rainbow colored human rocks.

That seems to be the plan - and, generally, it's working nationwide.

A nation of mullets and sheep - a globalist's wet dream come true.

Join the Ron Paul Revolution

Lod  posted on  2007-09-04   18:54:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: mirage, *Agriculture-Environment* (#22)

It would appear that the Common Wisdom is that freedom is something one has to fight for or at the very least, work for.

What say you? Is it better to fight for freedom and fail in the attempt or hide hoping to create temporary security?

Oh, you must fight. There is no question of that; that does not mean gunfire. Which is, in the end, self-defeating. Those who live by the sword die by the sword, and that is particularly true for those who confront the beast head-on.

It is a question of how you fight. Those who control the United States are amoung the most disgusting liars that have ever walked the earth.... well, except, of course, for those who preceeded them in the Babylonian Mystery Religion from the time of Babylon to today.

I have been researching and writing for more than 20 years. Closer to 30, actually. And this is what I have learned;

Everytime you confront 'them' openly, you make them stronger as they use you as an excuse to rally their supporters. And today, they would simply label you as a terrorist and use the excuse to pass more laws, and the public would support 'them'.

I have been put in jail; longest time: 90 days. I have friends who have been put in jail, and I have two friends that are in prison, and probably will die there. Nothing was accomplished by what I and my friends went through.... except to make the establishment stronger and more secure.

There is a revolution going on in America, but it is not occurring, by and large, as those in 4um think it should. Actually, innieway and ladybug are a part of that revolution.

It is a green revolution. It is talked about extensively in ACRES USA, where entire communities are turning to the local production of organic food, and rejecting the control of Washington, DC, in how they eat and live.

It is a food revolution, where finally people are taking the lessons to be learned in books such as Fast Food Nation to heart. There are more and more people turning to nutrition as the answer to their health problems than ever before.

It is a medical revolution. It is taking place all across America as more and more people become aware of the problems with the drug establishment and vaccinations, and begin to make decisions based on their health and well-being rather than on following the so-called law.

It is a resistance revolution where, for the first time in generations, parents are beginning to tell their children not to sign up for the military. This MAY mean that a draft is coming, which would be a very good thing.... for the resistance. NOTHING would galvanize that resistance more than a new draft.

It is a religious revolution, where, finally, some of the people who rate themselves as Christian are beginning to question the wisdom of the so-called Christian churches, and actually are beginning to look to the Bible for answers. There is even SHOCK! beginning in some areas to be questions about using state issued marriage lic.

All of these things work together, and they will create, at some point, what is called a tipping point, where the accumlative knowledge of the people is sufficient to create major change in America. And, it will come about by people making informed changes in their lives; changes that are in thier own self-interest, rather than by gunfire, which, in the final analysis, is what 'they' want. Why? Because that is how to create a dictatorship, guarrenteed!

So there are things going on that do not involve gunfire. And, I participate in many of those things. I write. I research. I teach, which is what I have been doing for more than 20 years. It is not as exciting as gunfire, I agree. It does not happen as quickly as gunfire, I agree. And watching how slowly people learn and change is heart breaking.... I KNOW!! But it happens.

And I will give you an example of what I mean, my friend; 4um is different today, than it was on the day I first signed on. And I have received enough personel messages from people who read, and maybe not post much (as lurklers esp.), to know the impact I have had here. That, is what I do. It is not sexy, or exciting, but it is a part of the fight. And, I am consistent in it and I have been consistent in the fight for a long, long time. And, God willing, I will be for a long time yet to come.

The botton line is that no one has to lecture me on the fight; been there, doing that.

The question is, how do you expect to accomplish something. And, how do you measure your accomplishments. From there, we all go forward. Or not. For some, it is simply an excuse to bitch, rather than study, learn, and change. And, the change is what it is all about.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2007-09-05   12:39:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Jethro Tull (#23)

A drivers license is nonsense?

Spoken like a true ex-cop.

A written exam with a driving test, resulting in a certificate of competency would be fine. But a lic., which is a contractual nexus, and which has countless other, hidden, connections behind it, such as insurance requirements, in nothing but a source of revenue for the corporate elite.

And do not start in about insurance, Jethro; I used a California based Chritian organization that issued bonds for drivers, which were collectively guarenteed by everyone who used the bonds. It was a continual fight to be free of the insurance B.S., but such is life.

the Mexican educational system is very, very substandard.

Says who? You? Done a lot of research on this, or, did you just read a news headline somewhere, like in the New York papers? You never fail to amaze and delight with your continual insights into life here in Mèxico, which, of course, you have so much experience with.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2007-09-05   12:48:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: richard9151 (#27)

Hold on a moment, I think you have some things reversed or taken the wrong way.

Fighting does not have to mean automatically resorting to gunfire but there is no reason why gunfire cannot or should not be the means of last resort. The American Revolution was peacefully trying to work things out (fighting as you put it) for decades before they finally had to give up and take up arms as a last resort.

This is as it should be and it is a gross distortion of the phrase "he who lives by the sword..." to say otherwise. Even a cursory parsing of that phrase puts the lie to 'total pacifism' as an interpretation. There are times when violence is not only needed but required. Otherwise, "if you have not a sword, sell your cloak and buy one" and most of Ecclesiastes turns the Bible into a useless collection of words due to an inability to reconcile or harmonize.

"To everything there is a season" - and that is more true than anyone wishes to realize. It is a shame more people don't understand the cyclical nature of things.

Or, as I like to tell some of my left-leaning friends, "War is not the answer is not the answer and you didn't learn everything you needed to know in kindergarten. War is the very last option when all else has failed and must remain on the table and at the very end. Try everything else first, but, when all else fails, it is and should be still available."

As for changes going through society - there are lots of them and you've outlined many.

As I see it, there is a split going on. Starting in the WWI era, there was a trend toward conformity, a growing trust of authority, and a desire to be "handed answers" that swept the country.

Now that trend is reversing; there is a trend back toward individualism, a distrust of authority, and a desire to seek answers as opposed to being handed answers.

This explains the low approval ratings of Congress, the shuttering of Churches, and the growing discontent among the population.

On the flip side, you have the Establishment determined to sink its feet in and hold on to what it thinks it has a right to. Therefore you have authorities at all levels attempting to lull the populace into maintaining the status quo.

Unfortunately, for them, disruptive and pervasive technologies are making that more and more difficult all the time. Information cannot be controlled any longer and there is a trend toward openness and transparency that is being fought by the establishment who wishes to maintain their special spot in the world.

Anyhow, that's just how I see it from here. Change is a constant and attempts to deny that will, as they always do, end up in failure. People who bury their heads in the sand will end up in trouble, as they always do - and people who wish to be mere followers will wind up even deeper in trouble.

In the end, I fear, there will be violence because it will be required to shake off the shackles that those who promote the status quo wish to bind us with. It will not come quietly, though - it will be done after much handwringing and attempts to deal with matters in ways other than violence, but it will still come.

It will come because "they" don't get it and like the British in the late 18th Century, refuse to acknowledge or accept that things change. Or, as I like I put it, "refuse to acknowledge the cyclical nature of things."

America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.

mirage  posted on  2007-09-05   14:11:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: mirage (#29)

Fighting does not have to mean automatically resorting to gunfire

I know. As I said. But what started this is when I said that I do not support the idea of gunfire. I should have added, starting from we the people.

Gunfire will occur. I do not doubt that, BUT, it must be started by 'them.' It can not begin with us, and it was the same way in the 1776; at the Battle of Concord, the British began the war by firing on the militia. And that was preached as a necessity by the ministers of His Word at that time.

What was true then is just as true now, and for the same reasons. Once they begin it, public opinion, just as it did in 1776, turns against them, and, they know this very well. They WISH for Americans, somewhere, to begin the dance that they may begin the slaughter.

The answer in Texas, to the TransTexas corridor is not guns; it is education of more people. And the more that the establishment pushes, the more support they lose; Iraq is a very good example of that. Iraq has done more, at the expense of the people of Iraq, to open eyes in America than anything else.

I have always maintained this; the answer is more education, one on one, American to American, about the facts behind what is going on. The answer, at this point in time, does not rest in confrontation. THAT MUST be begun by 'them.'

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2007-09-05   17:02:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: richard9151 (#0) (Edited)

Trans-Texas Corridor: Can this possibly be stopped?

Personally I do not think so and for two reasons. The first reason is because the average American doesn't know anything about it; it's not discussed in the 30 second news blips in-between television shows.

The second reason is because the elected members of the two party fraud know that more than 96% of them are going to be reelected no matter what they do.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2007-09-05   17:15:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: richard9151 (#30)

The people of Texas have already seen the Waco Massacre. One might say that they have already been fired upon.

The anti-NAFTA/anti-Globalization movement has become mainstream. What was once a fiery protest by militant anarchists in Seattle who vandalized Starbucks and McDonalds has morphed and become mainstream.

Already, crackdowns on protests are going on. "THEY" have already fired the first shots. "WE" just haven't acknowledged that yet.

The Trans-Texas Corridor - if it can be delayed just a few years - will never be built. There is a false premise here at work and it will be shown as such.

Globalization requires cheap fuel. Without it, the whole house of cards falls apart quickly.

Mexico is running out of oil.

Cantarell has already peaked and is declining rapidly. PEMEX has stated for the record that Mexico has about seven years' of oil reserves left and then they'll be high and dry. They've been using advanced recovery techniques like nitrogen injection to keep the taps flowing at full speed now for years.

They put a big straw into the hole and have drained it quickly.

Without oil, there will be no transportation and thus no highway.

So, to put the lie to this false premise, all one has to do is hold on and wait a little while. The Environmentalists will keep this tied up in court long enough for Mexico to run low on fuel - the rest will take care of itself.

Of course, this will cause a fresh run for the border once the oil revenues in Mexico peter out. THAT is where the REAL violence will come from as the peasants overrun the border states and wreak havoc upon them. THEN you'll see the gunfire and it won't be pleasant.

The whole thing is a powderkeg, but I don't think it will blow up the way most people think it will. As I see it, the corridor is based on a false premise and we already know that it will show itself as such and blow itself up.

All we have to do is wait....and be prepared for what comes in seven or eight years when Mexico runs out of oil.

America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.

mirage  posted on  2007-09-05   18:02:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: mirage (#32)

The people of Texas have already seen the Waco Massacre. One might say that they have already been fired upon.

You and I are pretty much on the same page, but there are differences, and runnning out of oil is one of them. There is a lot more of it around than most realize, even if it is not in Mèxico. I have seen tapped wells in the mountains of Wyo and Col that men told me were just waiting to be used, and that was 20 years ago.

As to Waco, not hardly. If the true story about that ever comes out, it will revolve around illegally manufactured, full automatic M-16 receivers (no serial numbers) made in Mena, AK and transhipped through Waco going to Nicaragra in trade for drugs which came back through Mena to the states. All courtesy of the CIA and Clinton, of course. Some of the men associated with Koresh helped themselves to some of the receivers, which, the way I heard it, Koresh, being a Federal Firearms lic. dealer, then sold under the table at gun shows. That ain't allowed.

The way the seige went, there is not much doubt that the intent from the beginning was to kill everyone, and the way 'they' did, and how the gound was quickly bulldozed and fenced, shows pretty clearly that something needed to be hidden from view.

I also think that one of things that you are not considering is the most important; if there is a flood of people going somewhere, it is very likely to be going in the OTHER direction, towards Mèxico. America no longer produces enough food to feed itself. That is not going to change any time soon, and will put more pressure on the people of America, sooner or later, than anything else.

Our family here has already seen the first of the returning Mèxican workers, who have run out of work in the states, and simply can not afford to sit and wait for more work. That is also something that is not going to change any time soon, not with the slow down in home building and other construction.

So yes, many things are in transition. Reminds me of the curse; may you live in interesting times!

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2007-09-05   18:25:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Hayek Fan (#31)

Personally I do not think so and for two reasons. The first reason is because the average American doesn't know anything about it; it's not discussed in the 30 second news blips in-between television shows.

The second reason is because the elected members of the two party fraud know that more than 96% of them are going to be reelected no matter what they do.

Both are valid points, and I agree with both. Unless there is an unusual attention to education of the people of Texas, by the people most affected by this rape of America, nothing will stop it.

And for sure, the two party fraudsters understand very well where their butter comes from!

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2007-09-05   18:28:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: richard9151 (#33)

You're right, we differ in a number of ways.

As for oil, there is more to that than either of us know. Oil is Mexico's #1 source of revenue -- remittances comes in second.

The problem with oil is not in the number of wells, but in production capacity. A few years ago, Cantarell was producing 2 million barrels per day. Now it is under a million barrels and production is dropping like a rock.

Most wells in the US are "stripper wells" producing 1-100 barrels per day. There have been no gigantic discoveries in recent years, production costs continue to rise, and demand continues to grow along with global population. Even if the "capped wells" are uncapped, there still won't be enough production to be able to put a dent in the ongoing depletion.

One doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to see a large problem brewing. We're simply not discovering enough oil to replace what we're pumping. Thus, prices will go up. Can anyone say that the Chinese or East Indians will be wanting to give up their cars? Heck no!

The question still remains -- how will Mexico fuel the trucks that will be heading up the NAFTA Superhighway without being able to fuel them? Mexico's oil production is heading off a cliff. How will Mexico import oil without having a method of paying for it?

Without the oil revenue, public services in Mexico will, well, how will they provide anything when their #1 source of revenue vanishes? How will they transport food and goods without oil? Get it from Venezuela? Production in Venezuela has dropped like a rock as Chavez redirects funds from the oil industry there. He is already buying oil from Russia to meet existing contracts since production in Venezuela has fallen off a cliff due to lack of investment.

For now, there may be people returning to Mexico, but once the oil and oil revenue dries up, they'll be heading out once again. There simply is nothing down there to replace it. Like Saudi Arabia, Mexico is dependent on its oil industry for revenue.

Further, without oil, they can't ship goods out of the country. Economic checkmate.

Add to that -- petroleum is required for food production. Alternative methods of crop production are not mainstream. Combines require petroleum-based fuels right now. There are no alternatives on the horizon that can replace it.

So, you'll kindly forgive me, but I see a big checkmate coming on the horizon. Whether I'm right or not - the future will confirm or deny.

Now, what does this bode for the US? Well, most of Mexico's oil exports head to the United States. As those dry up, the US economy will contract as it always does when fuel prices skyrocket. So those who are in the US and those who look around Mexico and decide to head north will get a chilly reception.

But, the future will bring what the future will bring. I still think that the oil depletion in Mexico will put the lie to the "Superhighway".

America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.

mirage  posted on  2007-09-05   19:03:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: mirage (#35)

how will Mexico fuel the trucks that will be heading up the NAFTA Superhighway without being able to fuel them? Mexico's oil production is heading off a cliff. How will Mexico import oil without having a method of paying for it?

Mèxico will not be paying for the oil; China will be, and they have plenty of reserve dollars to do so. After all, it is Chinese products that are intended to come up that highway.

And actually, that is a lie. It is probably Chinese troops that are intended to come up that highway, as the economy in the states continues to collapse.

You are opertaing from the assumption that the economy of the US will bounce back....... given observed circumstances, that is not a good bet. It is becoming more and more obvious that the housing boom was an artifical boom deliberately fed by the FED (sorry; could not help myself), and it was done to keep the economy afloat while the last touches were put on the dictatorship. Yes, that is my opinion, but it matches observed facts.

When enough nations stop using dollars to pay for fuel and oil, the problem will not be that Mèxico does not have enough oil, it will be that America does not have enough oil, and that will include for food production. What use then is the super highway, except for troops? If you care to check it out, you will find that the reason the Eisenhower started the national highway system (freeways) was for interior military defense of the nation. Why would anyone supose that has changed today?

I think that the big shocks in the near future are going to be to US citizens, esp. those who are unaware of most of the problems gathering in the darkness. That will either hurry the tipping point.... or, it will hurry the confrontation. As I said, it is going to be interesting.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2007-09-05   22:46:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: richard9151 (#36)

That seems to be a chicken-and-egg problem.

If the US economy collapses, then so does its currency. China would then be unable to use US Dollars to purchase oil with. This then becomes a chicken-and-egg problem. If the US economy collapses, the Dollar turns into garden mulch.

The Interstate Highway System was put through as a defense measure to get it funded; it was never really intended for the movement of troops. It was initially planned in the 1930s under FDR as a public works program as part of the New Deal. The initial idea came from a request from the Army in 1921, thereby giving birth to the "National Highway System" - you've seen the signs. "US 99" and all. That was the initial map that the Army put together. That then then gave birth to the Interstate Highway System. From the beginning, it was a "dual purpose" system, not just a military measure.

Remember, highways aren't called for under the Constitution. So, they had to find another way to get them funded. The Constitution DOES allow for the funding of a Defense System so -voila- the Interstate Highway System went in as a defense measure.

If it truly was a "Defense Highway System" then the Department of Defense would be in charge of it. Instead, it is maintained by the States with aid from the Department of Transportation.

Personally, I don't think the PTB has thought that far ahead; I think its just greed that drove the housing bubble and politics.

But we will see what happens, won't we? It certainly will be interesting, just as speculating about it is.

America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.

mirage  posted on  2007-09-05   23:09:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: mirage (#37)

then so does its currency.

See, there is the problem; the dollar does not collaspe if they stop pumping out dollars. As people pay the dollars into the banks, and the dollars disappear, all of a sudden, the value of the dollar goes UP.... not down.

It is also very easy for them to change the system, stop making loans, and start issuing enough dollars to pay for the government/military (same thing anymore). This keeps their system up and running, makes China VERY interested in protecting her 'investment,' and really puts the screws to America.

There are, and have been for a long time, detailed plans from the UN as to what troops (foreign) will be used to patrol and keep America safe in the future. German, Chinese, Beligum, and yes, Mèxican troops are all scheduled to be used in different parts of the nation.

All in all, I see no reason to doubt that which is happening now, and, I fear, that they do, indeed, plan that far ahead.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2007-09-05   23:36:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: richard9151 (#38)

See, there is the problem; the dollar does not collaspe if they stop pumping out dollars. As people pay the dollars into the banks, and the dollars disappear, all of a sudden, the value of the dollar goes UP.... not down.

That's not necessarily true. Let me explain:

The dollars have already been printed. They are already out there. In a severe economic contraction, GDP drops, debts are defaulted on, and the banks get stiffed. The loans do not get repaid. The dollars do not disappear. The banks get stuck eating the bad loans.

The Federal Reserve and FDIC will have to bail out the banks and the depositors. This means fresh money is fed into the system. The Federal Reserve is not going to let Citibank or Washington Mutual go under. Likewise, the Federal Government must back depositors to $100k for each bank they have an account at.

Thus, the value of the dollar goes DOWN because it is demand for the currency AND its scarcity that causes it to have value. If the US economy has a severe contraction, banks will get stiffed, the Fed will have to print, and the value of the US Dollar will plummet, particularly if other countries begin abandoning it, which they would.

Since about half the money is already outside the US, that money would come back in a hurry to buy up whatever foreigners could get for it. That sudden repatriation of Dollars would cause even MORE inflation -- because GDP would be significantly less than the amount of currency floating around the economy due to the repatriation of dollars AND the amounts of currency that would have to be created to bail out depositors and banks.

Put quite simply -- it is an "inflate or inflate" situation. There is no deflation. There is no contraction of the money supply. Inflation is mandated. In terms of FDIC insurance, it is required by law.

As for UN troops, they don't concern me nor should they concern you or anyone.

The Japanese during WWII explained it quite simply - when asked why they didn't invade North America. Their answer was simple. "We knew that behind every blade of grass would be a rifle."

If UN troops decided to set up shop, they'd meet the same thing. In a world with less oil to run things, they'd have some serious issues just trying to patrol a few cities, much less seize control of the countryside as well.

The citizenry would never put up with a bunch of UN jackasses helping themselves to limited fuel in such a situation (think 'post-Mexico-goes-dry') and would convince them to find somewhere else to hang their blue helmets.

America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.

mirage  posted on  2007-09-06   5:10:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: richard9151, Jethro Tull, mirage, all (#27)

There is a revolution going on in America, but it is not occurring, by and large, as those in 4um think it should. Actually, innieway and ladybug are a part of that revolution. ... It is a green revolution. ... It is a food revolution, ... It is a medical revolution. ... It is a resistance revolution where, for the first time in generations, parents are beginning to tell their children not to sign up for the military. ... It is a religious revolution, where, finally, some of the people who rate themselves as Christian are beginning to question the wisdom of the so-called Christian churches, and actually are beginning to look to the Bible for answers. There is even SHOCK! beginning in some areas to be questions about using state issued marriage lic.

Thanks for the recognition Richard! This reply is really meant more for everyone else than for you, but it was your words quoted above that I want to respond to.

First, let me say that I read the whole thread before commenting. There are a few points raised in other parts of the thread that I'd also like to comment on, and specifically points raised by the parties I pinged in by "name"...

Drivers Licenses:
YES, they ARE nonsense!!! As are ALL licenses.
The legal definition of a license is "permission granted by the State to do something which is otherwise illegal, a tort, or a trespass."
Perhaps more importantly, ANY license is a CONTRACT with the state. A contract is merely an offer, with acceptance, over time, with consideration.
We know that a Driver's License is in fact a CONTRACT because we have (a) an offer (the state is "offering" you the "privilege" of traveling) (b) with acceptance (you are "accepting" the state's "offer" if you get a Driver's License) (c) over time (this "driver's license" is "valid" for a certain time period, after which you are "required" to "renew" it) and (d) consideration (you PAY for this "privilege").
ALL contracts have TERMS. What are the "terms" of the contract you enter into with the state by getting a Driver's License? They vary a little from state to state, but it is what is known as your state's Transportation Code. I promise you that you do NOT KNOW ALL of the terms and conditions of the contract you signed with the state (since the average "Transportation Code" has over 2000 elements or "laws" to it). For example, how many Texas drivers know that their state's Transportation Code exempts them from the "Financial Responsibility" section of the "Code" IF their vehicle is over 25 years old (ie, no "insurance" required)???
For crying out loud - 2000 "laws" is on the order of 3 TIMES MORE than ALL of the Laws God set out for us to live by in the ENTIRE Bible - and you honestly think you can keep track of all of them??? Get real!!! You are entering into a contract without "reading the fine print" - without KNOWING ALL of the "terms and conditions" of that contract. Didn't your daddy ever teach you to "read the fine print"???
Add to this the fact that God Himself never made it "illegal" to "travel", so what should be "illegal" about it? If my grandmother is on her deathbed, and I'm 200 miles away and want to go see her, I should not and WILL NOT ask for the state's "permission" to do so!!!
Also take into consideration how many deadly wrecks occur every day in this country on our highways - and guess what - well over 90% of them are caused by LICENSED DRIVERS!!! That "Driver's License" is in no way, shape, fashion, or form a measure of creating a "safe driver". In fact, I'd be willing to bet that the average "traveler" that DOESN'T have a Driver's License drives "safer" than the ones that do!!!
I haven't had a Driver's License for nearly 9 years now, and have been to court several times for "no DL" tickets. The last time I simply told the judge "You know, this is the ONLY 'offense' you ever have me in here for. I guarantee you see licensed drivers in here every day for things much worse - some of which could have or maybe even DID cause a wreck, perhaps involving serious injury. You NEVER see me in here for 'running a stop sign' or 'speeding' or any of a plethora of more dangerous things." The judge thought about it a minute and said "You're right", then proceeded to fine me $1. (I had previously entered a "no contest" plea against my better judgment to fight the ticket, and the judge had sent me out of court telling me to get a DL and she would dismiss the ticket. What I told the judge above is when I was summonsed back to court 6 months later to find out "what I had done" about "getting licensed" - which I didn't. After giving her my little "speech" outlined above, along with the reasoning that you are required by Federal Law to give a SS# to get a DL, and my belief that the SS# is the Mark of the Beast under my First Amendment Right to Religious Free Exercise, and therefore I DO NOT have one and thereby cannot GET a DL - her decision to fine me the $1 was (in her words) because "her hands were tied, since I had originally entered a no contest plea. That was 2 years ago, and I still don't have a DL, and haven't been back in her court again (nor any other on the DL issue).

This same logic applies to ALL licenses. What should be illegal about marriage that the state wants you to contract with them for the "privilege" to "get married" ie a "marriage license"??? Or eating a trout for supper that it requires you to ask the state's permission and contract with them to do so??? Or use your God-given talent as a plumber and go in the business of opening people's drains or fixing their pipes so they have running water without asking the state's permission first???

This needs to "soak in" - a LICENSE OF ANY SORT is merely a way for the State to dupe you into allowing them to extort money from you in one way or another; and in the case of a "business license" to become a "tax collector" for them. PERIOD!!!!!

Oil:
Vile, filthy stuff. The sooner the world eliminates it's dependence on the mess the better. We have the technology to power our vehicles with fuel cells. We should heat our homes with wind or solar power. And if necessary, we should downsize our large corporate farms back to small family operations capable of accomplishing the job using horse-drawn equipment if fuel cells prove inadequate of providing the necessary power to operate big machinery. Whatever it takes to eliminate dependence on Exxon and the rest of the "Big Oil" machine.
What is the value of a human life??? And how many lives have been sacrificed over oil??? The way I see it, if EVEN ONE life has been sacrificed over it then $1000/gallon for gas is cheap. It's a shame we continue to pay that price for convenience.

NOW finally (LOL) to the quote above from Richard.
He is absolutely correct. The "revolution" is about taking control of our lives, and eliminating our "dependence" on Uncle Sam, Big Pharma, the Pulpit Parots, and all other "controlling" aspect of our lives. It is about regaining the sovereignty the Creator wanted us to have.
It involves removing ourselves from the "empty promises" of the entities mentioned above.
Simply put - QUIT FEEDING THE BEAST!!!
Some examples of what we are doing are:
(1) To the greatest extent possible we have eliminated support of big corporations. We will NOT shop at Walmart for example. We do nearly 100% of our "business" with small local "mom and pop" entities. I'd rather pay twice as much at the little local hardware store than get it from Home Depot. They in turn use my services when needed. If I used the Home Depot exclusively, do you think they would ever call me to "fix something" for them? I don't think so, especially since I'm just an unlicensed little guy! This concept also includes reducing or eliminating dependence on other traditional big corporations such as the electric company. I am currently studying wind power, and am designing a wind-power system to meet my electrical needs. It isn't a common design (it's based upon the Savonius rotor, and will rely upon torque and gear amplification to achieve the necessary generator speed for maximum efficiency rather than blade speed). I hope to build my prototype this fall/winter and get the "bugs" worked out. From there I'll be able to figure out how much "juice" I can wring out of 1 unit, and how many it will take to produce enough to be able to eliminate being "on the grid". I prefer the idea of using multiple smaller units to 1 big one for the simple reason of "if one goes out, I'm not completely shut down".
(2) Health issues. I only know 5 people that follow the health guidelines laid out in Scripture by the Creator - you know, little things such as the "food laws". Sure we're kooky imbeciles that need to get a clue as to the plethora of "miracles of modern science", and quit with our "religious BS"... BUT of the 5 I know, NOT 1 has been to a doctor in years - a cumulative total of probably over 80 years in fact, and are on NO medications!! Now we may be KOOKS, but I think that track record speaks for itself. I think you'd be hard pressed to find any other group of 5 people that haven't been to see a doctor in 80 years combined.
(3) The "resistance" revolution goes beyond just telling our children "not to enlist". It goes to actually seeing to it that they receive an EDUCATION, which is something that just won't happen in a public school system. Yes, I went to "public school", but my parents spent a great deal of time teaching me also; and the lessons they taught me are infinitely more valuable than what I learned in school. They taught me to be competent at fixing my own plumbing; doing my own electrical work; mechanic work and fixing my own vehicle and farm equipment; growing my own garden; canning, freezing, and storing the excess from that garden; milking my own cow, and making my own butter etc. They also taught me the perils of putting trust in government!
(4) The "religious revolution"... It's time to wake up folks!!! There is a BIG difference in "being religious" and studying and following Scripture. Religions gave birth to the Papacy, which in turn has gained the allegiance of most if not all other "religions", and CERTAINLY has gained the allegiance of nearly every nation on earth whether anyone realizes or acknowledges it or not!!! And where does the Papal allegiance lie??? WITH THE BEAST!!! Like it or not, your country (wherever you live) has most likely been pledged to the Pope - most likely MANY years ago, and unbeknownst to you - and any "allegiance" you hold with that country (through things such as the licenses I ranted about above) is forming an "allegiance" with the BEAST (through the Papacy) whether you want to or not. These claims are verifiable through a careful study of history combined with the writings in the Book of Daniel - which was written well over 2000 years ago, has proven to be of correct prophecy throughout history since then and continues to do so to this day. So if you want to call Scripture a "bunch of hooey" and disregard it, that's your choice. I personally cannot accept something written so long ago and since proven to be correct in (now) historical content (which was at the time a prediction of the future) as "a bunch of hooey". And with careful study and discernment, it becomes painfully clear that Daniel was referring to the Papacy as the instrument of the Beast. So in short, be VERY careful of ANY alliances, whether they be "religious" or "governmental"; as they likely all lead down the same path.
(5) The "revolution" also involves education of all those around us. For example, working on teaching others the "folly" of the Federal Reserve System. And it's paying off. Slowly but surely, around here we are gaining more and more people/businesses that will conduct their "business" using gold and (especially) silver (since silver is the much better value right now being so under-valued) and/or barter. There is more than 1 business here that will GLADLY accept silver for their goods/services. Several individuals use silver as their primary money.

All in all it's like planting a crop. All you can do is sow the seeds. Will every seed come up? NO. It's up to God which ones do and which ones don't. But if you do a good job of sowing, there's a decent chance that you'll have enough come up to have a harvest.

Well, that's my 2¢ and my "rant" for the week... Thanks again Richard for the mention. I'd like to think that what we're doing may someday result in positive change which will be of benefit to our entire little community and allow it to be in a much better position than most to be able to cope with the situation when the inevitable "crunch" hits that makes the Great Depression look like a Sunday picnic...

99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name.
Steven Wright

innieway  posted on  2007-09-09   11:57:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: innieway, richard9151, Jethro Tull, All (#40)

Let me make an attempt to summarize and put all of this into non-religious and layman's terms since not everyone subscribes to a particular viewpoint.

The road to tyranny is paved with a single thought, "There ought to be a law," which begets more laws and more control.

Does that sound about right?

America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.

mirage  posted on  2007-09-09   13:34:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: mirage (#41)

Does that sound about right?

Not sure. Seems simple, which is good, but I get the feeling its too plain. It doesnt have a ring to it.

Ever read 'The law' by Frederic Bastiat?

There is a free copy of his small pamphlet at http://econlib.org

Some lines from it:

Perverted Law Causes Conflict

As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose that it may violate property instead of protecting it then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder.

SkyRat  posted on  2007-09-09   15:14:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: SkyRat, mirage, all (#42)

Here's my saying -

Just because it might be a good idea, does not mean that it should become a law.

God gave us ten laws, and His Son took that down to two.

Seems simple enough.

Join the Ron Paul Revolution

Lod  posted on  2007-09-09   15:31:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: SkyRat (#42)

Ever read 'The law' by Frederic Bastiat?

Long ago. Sounds like I need a refresher course.

America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.

mirage  posted on  2007-09-09   17:23:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: mirage, lodwick, SkyRat, Jethro Tull, innieway, christine, Max, all (#41)

The road to tyranny is paved with a single thought, "There ought to be a law," which begets more laws and more control.

Does that sound about right?

It is absolutely correct, and here is why; No man is smart enough to write a law that can not be corrupted and turned to self-service for someone.

And, that is the best definition of corruption; self-service.

If you EVER begin to study your way through the Bible, you will find that the very great difference between man's laws and the Laws of the Bible is that the Laws of the Bible CAN NOT be turned to self-service. Now, lies can and have always been told about the Laws of the Bible, BUT, no one can turn them without lies.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2007-09-10   12:28:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: innieway, all (#40)

NOW finally (LOL) to the quote above from Richard.

He is absolutely correct. The "revolution" is about taking control of our lives, and eliminating our "dependence" on Uncle Sam, Big Pharma, the Pulpit Parots, and all other "controlling" aspect of our lives. It is about regaining the sovereignty the Creator wanted us to have.

Excellent rant, my friend. I think that the biggest problem that most people have is that they want something to happen NOW, and that is not how it works.

Change takes time; it took a long time to get to where we are, and it will take a long time to correct the errors we have committed. And, to rid our people of those who create the problems for their own gain.

And what most people do not realize is that for changes to occur fast, the upheaval that comes with that fast change is not something that anyone wishes to live through, and, as a matter of FACT, many, many would not/will not live through such an upheaval.

So here is my vote for a nice process of putting the criminal elements in charge of the United States in their own prisons, and the gradual awakening of my people, the people of America, to a life of earned wealth through production, and the early demise of the credit system that is destroying America.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2007-09-10   12:37:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: richard9151 (#45)

If you EVER begin to study your way through the Bible,

richard my amigo, we have NO time to study the Bible or any other work of fiction. The only answer to the criminality we're facing is gunfire. The election process is scam, as is religion. The traitors who are enslaving us need to be shot, but don't hold your breath. A revolution is unlikely; people would rather bitch, moan and lose their houses and jobs before acting violently as our founders did many moons ago.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-09-10   12:49:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: richard9151 (#45)

the Laws of the Bible CAN NOT be turned to self-service

Untrue.

ANYTHING can be twisted around. ANYTHING.

America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.

mirage  posted on  2007-09-10   12:50:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: mirage (#48)

the Laws of the Bible CAN NOT be turned to self-service

Untrue.

ANYTHING can be twisted around. ANYTHING.

That shows how little you understand about the Bible. Without lies, it is impossible.

Can they be twisted, why, I believe I said that! But that can only be done to people who are ignorant about the subject.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2007-09-10   13:01:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: richard9151 (#49)

That shows how little you understand about the Bible. Without lies, it is impossible.

Again, you don't get it.

Protestantism with its 50,000 denominations proves conclusively that not everyone sits on the same page with or without lies.

If you give something identical to two different people you are likely to get two different interpretations of it. People just don't see things the same.

Sorry, my friend, but you are 100% in the wrong here and the proof is on Main Street. Look at a Directory of Churches and count up the denominations. They are all convinced they have found The Truth.

How can this be? They're not lying. They honestly do think they've found the truth. The Campbellites are a prime example. Not only do they think they've found the truth, but, like you, they think they are the only truth on the planet.

Its the interpretation pure and simple. People just see things differently.

That's how life is, my friend. You really need to accept that people have different experiences, different points of view, and different ways of approaching things. You also need to start using the phrase "I guess we have to agree to disagree" - because that's just how things are.

Your attitude which is simply a derivation of "Agree with me or rot in Hell" gets you nowhere. You're not convincing people - you can't even convince me because the facts refute your argument.

If everything is so obvious, then how can you and I see things two different ways when looking at the same stuff?

Methinks its you who does not understand the Bible, my friend. You don't understand that two people can look at the same document and come to two different conclusions.

America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.

mirage  posted on  2007-09-10   13:10:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: richard9151 (#45)

The road to tyranny is paved with a single thought, "There ought to be a law," which begets more laws and more control.

Does that sound about right?

It is absolutely correct, and here is why; No man is smart enough to write a law that can not be corrupted and turned to self-service for someone.

Thank you!

I wanted to reply to "Does that sound about right?", but the only thing I could think of at the moment was YES.

You did a much more eloquent job...

99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name.
Steven Wright

innieway  posted on  2007-09-11   8:22:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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