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Title: Plan ''Daisy'' - (The Suppressed Document at LibertyForum.org)
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Published: May 28, 2005
Author: WindRiverShoshoni
Post Date: 2005-05-28 08:35:42 by toddbrendanfahey
Keywords: LibertyForum.org), Suppressed, 'Daisy'
Views: 522
Comments: 69

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#11. To: toddbrendanfahey, Mr Nuke Buzzcut, Neil McIver, all (#0)

I have a couple questions about the implied tracing techniques, if anyone can answer?

(I've copied Mr. Nuke Buzzcut as he may know about the sepcific posters in question, and Neil for his generic understanding of forum servers)

The original (now edited) post in question is here at LF #900002 I presume WindRiverShoshoni is the post author and hence references to 'I' and 'my' are to LF poster WindRiverShoshoni.

First, notice that there are no Daisy11 entries in my logs for the period from March through June. That means that whoever was posting as Daisy11 had graphics turned off, my log entries come from graphics hosted on my website

Daisy11 posts regularly from 212.198.0.97, an anonymizing proxy server in Paris; and ALSO shows up in my server logs

So, assuming Daisy11 is not an identified poster on WindRiverShoshoni's website, and Daisy11 is a poster on LF who (like the rest of us) simply loads a thread from LF's website, then while graphics (or webbugs) might be downloaded from WindRiverShoshoni's website to anyone (including Daisy11) who browses a LF- hosted thread into which WindRiverShoshoni embedded a graphic (via 'img' tags), how could WindRiverShoshoni know which IP (anonymized or not) requesting the webbug is associated with Daisy11?

How does WindRiverShoshoni know what IP address is associated with the LF poster Daisy11?

Network Tracer comes up with a big nothing. Well, I went to Arin for each of the cited IP address and got an ISP and abuse email and techncial contract address. Further, firewalls block ping requests and prevent messaging to BIOS and other ports.

So, why does WindRiverShoshoni expect Network Tracer to always return identifying information? Firewalls (if fully enabled) block all of it.

Starwind  posted on  2005-05-28   11:42:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

How does WindRiverShoshoni know what IP address is associated with the LF poster Daisy11?

If Daisy11 replies to a comment that contains the picture, the url will be different from the thread url, and there will be a close timestamp to narrow it down. This is a very common practice. When I see someone with an avatar on a forum that doesn't have them built in, or a clearly experienced poster who is using an avatar (a very dork-newbie device, really), you can assume they're using it to snoop. FR's Sabertooth is a good example.

Some forums automatically append text to tell you the number of images in a post. If you see This post contains 1 image(s) under a post that seems to have no images, the poster could have inserted a plain tranparent gif, or one that looks like a period, trying to bait posters who might otherwise avoid replying to a sneak.

Rabble Rouser  posted on  2005-05-28   15:02:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

FR's Sabertooth is a good example.

hmmmm...very interesting and the transparent image usage?

christine  posted on  2005-05-28   15:10:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

It has occurred to me that those inserting avatars may be doing this type of logging. Coral Snake and Sabertooth both did a lot of that kind of thing.

One thing about images though. Normally they are only loaded once by a given browser and not loaded again for that session. Browsers generally don't retrive the same image twice. You can see this happening with the 4um graphic. Compare it's appearance when you first visit the site vs clicking on other links on the site. That hampers attempts to trace a particular user's navigation of the site, though there may well be tricks to get around that.

4um's software does report the number of images in a given post, so any transparancy posts would be detectable by anyone reading the thread.

I've thought of adding a feature to shut off images in the user setup, which would replace the images with links to click on that would bring them up.

Neil McIver  posted on  2005-05-28   15:25:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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