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Title: Plan ''Daisy'' - (The Suppressed Document at LibertyForum.org)
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Published: May 28, 2005
Author: WindRiverShoshoni
Post Date: 2005-05-28 08:35:42 by toddbrendanfahey
Keywords: LibertyForum.org), Suppressed, 'Daisy'
Views: 591
Comments: 69

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#11. To: toddbrendanfahey, Mr Nuke Buzzcut, Neil McIver, all (#0)

I have a couple questions about the implied tracing techniques, if anyone can answer?

(I've copied Mr. Nuke Buzzcut as he may know about the sepcific posters in question, and Neil for his generic understanding of forum servers)

The original (now edited) post in question is here at LF #900002 I presume WindRiverShoshoni is the post author and hence references to 'I' and 'my' are to LF poster WindRiverShoshoni.

First, notice that there are no Daisy11 entries in my logs for the period from March through June. That means that whoever was posting as Daisy11 had graphics turned off, my log entries come from graphics hosted on my website

Daisy11 posts regularly from 212.198.0.97, an anonymizing proxy server in Paris; and ALSO shows up in my server logs

So, assuming Daisy11 is not an identified poster on WindRiverShoshoni's website, and Daisy11 is a poster on LF who (like the rest of us) simply loads a thread from LF's website, then while graphics (or webbugs) might be downloaded from WindRiverShoshoni's website to anyone (including Daisy11) who browses a LF- hosted thread into which WindRiverShoshoni embedded a graphic (via 'img' tags), how could WindRiverShoshoni know which IP (anonymized or not) requesting the webbug is associated with Daisy11?

How does WindRiverShoshoni know what IP address is associated with the LF poster Daisy11?

Network Tracer comes up with a big nothing. Well, I went to Arin for each of the cited IP address and got an ISP and abuse email and techncial contract address. Further, firewalls block ping requests and prevent messaging to BIOS and other ports.

So, why does WindRiverShoshoni expect Network Tracer to always return identifying information? Firewalls (if fully enabled) block all of it.

Starwind  posted on  2005-05-28   11:42:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

How does WindRiverShoshoni know what IP address is associated with the LF poster Daisy11?

If Daisy11 replies to a comment that contains the picture, the url will be different from the thread url, and there will be a close timestamp to narrow it down. This is a very common practice. When I see someone with an avatar on a forum that doesn't have them built in, or a clearly experienced poster who is using an avatar (a very dork-newbie device, really), you can assume they're using it to snoop. FR's Sabertooth is a good example.

Some forums automatically append text to tell you the number of images in a post. If you see This post contains 1 image(s) under a post that seems to have no images, the poster could have inserted a plain tranparent gif, or one that looks like a period, trying to bait posters who might otherwise avoid replying to a sneak.

Rabble Rouser  posted on  2005-05-28   15:02:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

When I see someone with an avatar on a forum that doesn't have them built in, or a clearly experienced poster who is using an avatar (a very dork-newbie device, really), you can assume they're using it to snoop. FR's Sabertooth is a good example.

Worth repeating--especially for those who are not savvy about these things.

h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t  posted on  2005-05-28   23:38:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#45. To: h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t (#44)

Worth repeating--especially for those who are not savvy about these things.

I wondered alot of the very few posters at FR who used those. Interesting.

justlurking  posted on  2005-05-28 23:50:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Thank you for the ping, TBF. This explains a lot for me. One time on FR, I dared mention 'other' concentration camp victims rarely if ever discussed and the number of Jewish victims mysteriously upped over the years, I was immediately accosted. I always thought there was something suspicious going on. All victims should be remembered and numbers shouldn't be manipulated, imo.

HW - sorry to be stupid; I searched on this thread, but still don't understand - what is an avatar exactly?

rattler  posted on  2005-05-29 12:29:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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