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Title: Plan ''Daisy'' - (The Suppressed Document at LibertyForum.org)
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Published: May 28, 2005
Author: WindRiverShoshoni
Post Date: 2005-05-28 08:35:42 by toddbrendanfahey
Keywords: LibertyForum.org), Suppressed, 'Daisy'
Views: 538
Comments: 69

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#11. To: toddbrendanfahey, Mr Nuke Buzzcut, Neil McIver, all (#0)

I have a couple questions about the implied tracing techniques, if anyone can answer?

(I've copied Mr. Nuke Buzzcut as he may know about the sepcific posters in question, and Neil for his generic understanding of forum servers)

The original (now edited) post in question is here at LF #900002 I presume WindRiverShoshoni is the post author and hence references to 'I' and 'my' are to LF poster WindRiverShoshoni.

First, notice that there are no Daisy11 entries in my logs for the period from March through June. That means that whoever was posting as Daisy11 had graphics turned off, my log entries come from graphics hosted on my website

Daisy11 posts regularly from 212.198.0.97, an anonymizing proxy server in Paris; and ALSO shows up in my server logs

So, assuming Daisy11 is not an identified poster on WindRiverShoshoni's website, and Daisy11 is a poster on LF who (like the rest of us) simply loads a thread from LF's website, then while graphics (or webbugs) might be downloaded from WindRiverShoshoni's website to anyone (including Daisy11) who browses a LF- hosted thread into which WindRiverShoshoni embedded a graphic (via 'img' tags), how could WindRiverShoshoni know which IP (anonymized or not) requesting the webbug is associated with Daisy11?

How does WindRiverShoshoni know what IP address is associated with the LF poster Daisy11?

Network Tracer comes up with a big nothing. Well, I went to Arin for each of the cited IP address and got an ISP and abuse email and techncial contract address. Further, firewalls block ping requests and prevent messaging to BIOS and other ports.

So, why does WindRiverShoshoni expect Network Tracer to always return identifying information? Firewalls (if fully enabled) block all of it.

Starwind  posted on  2005-05-28   11:42:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

So, WindRiverShoshoni is referring to his logs and his website, and not presumably to LF website logs, right?

Correct. WRS never had access to LF logs.

How does WindRiverShoshoni know what IP address is associated with the LF poster Daisy11?

The other thing that he didn't account for was the use of proxy servers, which quite a few people use. There are places where you can get a list of free proxies at any given time. They are all over the world and would make it look like you were in Japan one session, Russia the next, Netherlands the next and maybe Hong Kong after that.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-05-31   19:28:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Thanks very much for the explanation.

Starwind  posted on  2005-06-01   0:26:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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