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Title: Plan ''Daisy'' - (The Suppressed Document at LibertyForum.org)
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Published: May 28, 2005
Author: WindRiverShoshoni
Post Date: 2005-05-28 08:35:42 by toddbrendanfahey
Keywords: LibertyForum.org), Suppressed, 'Daisy'
Views: 588
Comments: 69

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toddbrendanfahey  posted on  2005-05-28   8:39:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Here is the Liberty Forum article that exposed the operation of an organized Israeli loyalist hasbara operation at Liberty Forum, masquerading as a single individual called "Daisy11" ~ who joined Liberty Forum on November 23, 2002, and had added 11,097 posts by July 20, 2003 ~ 46.43 posts per day for 239 days, posting literally around the clock ...

This tells me you hit the nail on the head. I believe this article and the research that you've brought here. Thanks.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-05-28   9:12:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

46.43 posts per day for 239 days, posting literally around the clock ...

This tells me you hit the nail on the head. I believe this article and the research that you've brought here. Thanks.

Thank you. I found this Thread in a Google search for "daisy11 libertyforum" that showed up in my server logs in 2004, and am posting mainly as an experiment to see whether it gets "Nuked." I haven't spent much time at Web discussion forums since leaving Liberty Forum, but didn't know about this forum.

The original article has been viewed 18,492 times. It's linked at some thirty websites; a Google search on "daisy11 libertyforum" displays 12 of 35 returns, all of which are about Plan Daisy, and "plandazy.htm" displays 17 of 28 returns. It's the most-visited page on my website, while the home page has a thousand fewer hits. It's being discussed (again) at Liberty Forum, with the first acknowledgement of possible validity from any LF apologist here

To clear up some misconceptions:

I wasn't looking for Daisy11. Daisy11 was trolling and I could not have cared less about her, she was just another Liberety Forum white noise generator. I had been asked to check my server logs by a Liberty Forum moderator who suspected that two other Liberty Forum screen names (not Daisy11) were being used by one person (it was two distinct LF members, not a "double"), and the Daisy11 log entries virtually jumped out of the page at me.

"Daisy11" was unquestionably a collective of several individuals spread over two continents. Only Daisy11 was using a proxy, all the others were using consumer ISP accounts, most of them dialups, and no proxies. None of them were AOL users, so it was possible to determine their ISP's location from their IP addresses.

I have just excerpted all the relevant server log entries from my archives, into a single text file. There are more "Daisy11" team members than I had thought when I first wrote the article. I'm considering a "Plan Daisy III" article because the original is still being republished, linked, and (most of all) read.

The mechanics are simple and not remotely sinister: own a website, host graphics as a courtesy for LF members to use in their posts, read the server logs. Every time your browser opens, re-opens, or refreshes a page, it checks with the server for every included "content" file to make sure it hasn't been changed since it was last loaded. When the file is in that browser's local cache and has not been changed, the server returns a "304" error code that means "The file in your cache is current." I've hosted dozens of graphics for the use of Liberty Forum members (and others), and spent much of my time at Liberty Forum explaining how the Web works and how unseen "researchers" can penetrate the imagined "privacy" so many people think they have on the Web. Demonstrating that lack of privacy, for those whose lack of technical information led them to believe that they could be "anonymous" just because Liberty Forum said they were, tended to upset some people who wanted to perpetuate the privacy myth.

It is certainly possible to protect the privacy of the members of a Web forum. NOLAJBS does it fairly well. Liberty Forum doesn't do it at all, except by "Terms of Service" that do nothing at all to protect privacy, and then goes a bit further to banish whistle-blowers who strip away the mythology by showing how the Web works.

LibertyForum's self-search function gives the LF member a page of links to his or her posts. Each link, at that time (2002-03), contained the username, like this (I've added line breaks for readability):

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&
Board=news_philosophy&Number=913997&Forum=All_Forums&
Words=daisy11&Match=Username&Searchpage=0&Limit=25
&Old=allposts&Main=913996

Stargate asked how could WindRiverShoshoni know which IP (anonymized or not) requesting the webbug is associated with Daisy11? How does WindRiverShoshoni know what IP address is associated with the LF poster Daisy11? The referrer headers from self-search pages included the username at that time. The referrer headers from searches for someone else's posts had different parameters in the search strings.

So, why does WindRiverShoshoni expect Network Tracer to always return identifying information? Firewalls (if fully enabled) block all of it.

Network Tracer gathers information about an IP address, domain url, or email address, from several public databases of Internet registry information. It does not return any "identifying information" about whoever might be using that IP address. Firewalls don't even enter the picture.

There is no "identifying information" or any "private information" in the Plan Daisy article, or in Liberty Forum's referrer headers. The identities of the Plan Daisy team members were never available. Some of the Liberty Forum activity of "Daisy11" (whoever that was) was available to anyone who hosted graphics or any other linked material (such as ICQ icons) that appeared at Liberty Forum.

Neil McIver wrote: You're right that there is no immediate & direct info linking a log entry for a particular IP to a screen name on another site, but some conclusions might be made based on circumstantial evidence over time, like seeing one IP access a thread repeatedly over time.

Liberty Forum referrer headers at that time contained usernames, which did in fact link particular IP addresses to particular LF members.

Rabble Rouser wrote When I see someone with an avatar on a forum that doesn't have them built in, or a clearly experienced poster who is using an avatar (a very dork-newbie device, really), you can assume they're using it to snoop.

The same could be said about anyone who posts any graphics into what they post to a Thread, but it would still be an overly paranoid statement. Not everyone who uses an avatar hosted on their own website (e.g., an Earthlink subscriber has a "Home Page" that can serve graphics) is doing demographic data mining or building dossiers on politically-active individuals. However, as I repeatedly detailed at Liberty Forum, the use of graphics is one way in which "snoops" can penetrate "privacy" shields on the Web. But explaining how it's being done (by intelligence agencies, businesses, police agencies, et cetera), and especially proving it can be done, will get you banished from Liberty Forum.

Mekons4 wrote: Does anyone seriously think that the Israelis and Repukes and Dems are not doing this stuff?

Exactly. But Liberty Forum's "inner circle" (Administrators, etc) have claimed that Liberty Forum members are "anonymous" and can't be identified or located, and banish anyone who proves that to be a false claim.

Nuke Buzzcut's comments have been addressed above ~ usernames in the referrer headers, only one proxy in use by Daisy11.

At any rate, there's some more information about Plan Daisy and how it was exposed. The article, and the second page (linked at the bottom of the article), is still current, because there are hasbara teams at most political discussion forums, visible or not. I'll be happy to address any questions from anyone who has read both Plan Daisy pages, and am considering writing a Plan Daisy III article to add to it. ~WindRiverShoshoni

WRS  posted on  2007-03-01   21:10:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

hello, WRS. welcome to 4. this particularly article was posted by TBF. it was nuked along with all of his other posts because of problems we had with him here. it was not nuked because of content. because this was an old thread, i'm sure most here don't know or won't remember what Plan Daisy is or are also unaware of LibertyForum and its history.

christine  posted on  2007-03-01   21:29:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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