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Title: Truth movement Betrayed
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Social service
URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeIVD5wT4KE
Published: Sep 8, 2007
Author: Social service
Post Date: 2007-09-08 11:44:49 by titorite
Keywords: 911, truth, hoax
Views: 293
Comments: 28
Many of us have seen all the videos. Or so we think. We have seen the flashs of 911 in plane site. We have seen the squibs of loose change. We have all seen Alex Jones jump up and down over everything. These people all had budgets and camera editing equipment and access to a varity of news and amature footage. They put together very well made movies. With all thier deep critical analyzation how did they miss what these people found useing camera planet archives and a laptop. I have my own recording of the day. I had it converted to DVD a long time ago and gave the original tape back to the owner after I made my copies. Even though he didn't hit record till 4 in the after noon thier are still plenty of shoots that proove the points made in the september clues series. The conspiracy blow back was always accounted for and controlled. Those that lead the so called truth movement don't wanna acknowledge media descripencies that is on YOUR COPY of the days events. So please, watch the video and compare the points they bring up to your own copy of the days events and accept the truth NO HOLDS BARRED. Because, this means that not only was it an inside job...it means those that lead the cursade to expose it are really leading the people around in circles.
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Bump for hope that some will watch and understand...and let me know they watched and understand.
watching now... This one is good too..speculates what the pod is under the plane. "Ripple Effect" http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=60947&Disp=0
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Robin, check out a couple of the archived shows on the economy. Some great info.
Mark "I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. [..] and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... — Former NYC Police Officer and 9/11 Rescue Worker Craig Bartmer
To me, it raised even more questions about the complicity of the MSM in facilitating this event, and in shaping opinions and reaction to it.
These threads look at this fade to black, no plane theory too. I'm not sure of the value in it as 9/11 can be shown as an inside job without it and it is difficult to prove and even more difficult to persuade people. However, I believe it deserves a good airing. http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=54332&Disp=0 Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today!
Bookmarked, thanks! What do you think about the no planes, fade to black theory?
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NO! These 4 flights on 911 were very odd. They were on an average 28% full. Normal coast to coast flights were 70%-90%. Take a look at the hijackers, crews, employees and passengers on these flights. Some interesting names and occupations come up. These flights were part of the NORAD/NEADS hijacking terror drills, but instead they were real, not fake. I believe some, if not all of the hijackers/crew/passengers, were signed up as taking part of the drill. Like bit actors. Little did they know what was to come.
Mark "I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. [..] and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... — Former NYC Police Officer and 9/11 Rescue Worker Craig Bartmer
The "September Clues" series goes over only media reported events. Thier are seven parts in all. They cover the multiple flight angles the misplaced backdrops, the news meadia witnesses, the works. I think it is the most important 911 video because it proves many more things that we don't really want to consider. For example the entire media is complicite. Project Mockingbird is fully realized and thier is no freepress in america. Worst though is Alex Jones, Dave Von Kliest, Eric Hutchsdon etc etc. These people all made 911 "truth" videos. NOT A SINGLE ONE THOUGHT MULTIPLE FLIGHT ANGLES WAS WORTH A MENTION IN THIER VIDEOS. It is something that is clear as day and easier to see than the nose in /nose out. If I had all the footage and was makeing a Doc on it thier is no way I would of missed it. I have read that when people bring up the subject they are shut down, banned, and hung up on. I will make my own phone calls to join the club but tonight I meet with a friend of mine to show him this. Ron Avery isn't quite as popular as some NWO fighters but he does know those that are well known. And the video made me consider the inherent danger of raming a plane into a building full of explosive charges...If your the mastermind you wouldn't do it. The explosion of the plane would set off your charges you had placed for the demolition. Too Risky. So instead just photo shop the planes in disreguard New York and show the world those planes they need to see.
Robin only asked what you thought of it not if you belived it. My apoligies I don't wanna flame,argue,or harp but I would like to point out a few things. Only two planes have records of departure. For an early morning flight the crew numbers would fit perfectly into two planes...Stretched thin into four planes and one plane did not even meet the required amount of people to fly by company rules. Two planes dissappering into the ocean would be easy to conseal. If a plane hits a building wired to blow the risk of setting a charge of is great. Like 99.999% Wondering if the new yorks themselves would ever say something? Well you haven't seen the 911 fire fighters being interviewed on TV have you? They never will be. Not because they have been ordered not to talk Oh no you CAN watch them talk on youtube and live leak and they have no problem saying bombs. They don't mention seeing or hearing any planes but they talking loseing friends and suffering due to bombs. What about the rest of New York? Truth is the system didn't care. When local media reported finding unexploded bombs in Oklahoma City everyone there saw it. But the rest of the nation did not. You know of one or two avid OKC posters on these forums but that it...they learned they could get away with a big lie like this despite an entire city knowing the truth...And after all you only saw the WTC event if you lived in Manhatten, local media had to run with the national coverage because of the south towers antenna being afftected...Oh it was there and intact but it just wasn't working for some reason.
NP theory is basically a zionist disinfo operation. The alleged pod is somewhat interesting and if there is something to it, it's most likely part of a guidance system, however all the credible photos are too fuzzy for me to be entirely sure there is a pod there, making it an interesting dead-end. The pod debate appears to me to be far less meaningful than the record of the actual demolitions, anyway. The perps would be fully expecting some blurry photos of the "pod" to show up, and would have all the strategy worked out ahead of time. The collapse is where unexpected errors would show, and they did show. Anyway, there is one sharp photo showing a pod, supposedly taken from directly below. It was highlighted in a "Ripple Effect" promo, where it was described as being bought from a NYC street vendor and the photographer's name was supposedly mentioned, but the shape of the alleged pod does not clearly match the shape of the alleged pod on other photos. This is all my opinion, of course.
Change your opinion. Its not disinfo I checked my own video against what they pointed out. Did you even watch the video? Have you thought about the risk an exploding plane poses to live demolition charges? Two of the four planes don't even have a record of take off that day...Airports don't let planes leave without records... And like I said a sentence ago, Planes and live charges don't mix. Watch the video THEN make your opinion.
good discussion, I appreciate all comments "Ripple Effect" goes into the pod theory pretty well, also looks at the Pentagon in an easy to understand way. http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=60947 9/11 Ripple Effect Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today!
I agree. The NP is BS. I have 3 1/2 years of research of 911 under my belt. I've read the NIST, the FEMA, the MIT reports and other numerous documents that I have sent for and read online. The bottom line is the government theory has no merit or real factual, forensic proof. I don't have the time for nonsense like the N.P., spacebeams, pods, flyovers, etc....
Mark "I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. [..] and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... — Former NYC Police Officer and 9/11 Rescue Worker Craig Bartmer
NO TIME!!! No Time!!! What kind of a disreguarding answer is that? Thats like dismissing evolution because you know God created man from dirt but felt no need to speak of dinosaurs. No time..I am astonished. How can you claim to be a researcher if you wont look into every possiblity? How do you explain demolition charges not being set off by a plane crash? Don't get me wrong I won't divide myself over this if your ready to march on washington to oust the "decider" but I am not gonna disreguard the truth either. The evidence in "september clues" is avilable for peer review if your qualified and want to take a look. If you consider the idea from the conspiritors persepctive it is genius. An offical story, a fall back conspiracy story, and the truth which would sound outlandish because we all saw a plane on TV over and over and over. But that is why they call it propaganda. The media/government made several mistakes that day and if you just make the time to view them you will see that what they say has merit. You have already watched so many 911 videos, why not watch one more. Just part one. Its only ten minutes of your time. Please?
I'm not going to get to far into this with you because I've been here and done the "debate" thing. You and I can only speculate on what type of explosives were used on the wtc complex. There are very, very powerful velocity explosives that are very stable to the point they need a very specific type of ignition. You can beat on it with a hammer, ball it up and slam it on the ground, run over in with a machine and subject it to conventional hydrocarbon fires. High nano tech military grade explosives is my thought. Maybe even a spray on mixed into the SFRM. I have 1000's of hours read on 911. Nothing I have seen points to fake planes or blue screen fakery. Sorry.
Mark "I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. [..] and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... — Former NYC Police Officer and 9/11 Rescue Worker Craig Bartmer
No no I understand. I don't wanna get into a debate/argument either... I was just hopeing you would look at what they said before judgeing it. If you change your mind you know where to find part one of seven. To be honest I didn't know what I was gonna be watching when I clicked the link from the MSNBC 911 poll. I never wanted to believe (and I still don't believe) in shinanigans like holographic planes or nonesense like that but flim editing is alot easier and realistic and the evidence is on My own copy of the days events of september eleventh. Thats why I am going to the silver eagle tap house TONIGHT. To share this with a buddy of mine who will be hosting a 911 viewing this tuesday. I can show him my video and point out what was pointed out to me.....
hey, titorite, say hi to Ron for me!
Certianly, would you like me to deliver any other message? Or just Christine from Freedom4um says Hi?
Ron is a friend of mine and my husband's. We've spent a lot of time at the Taphouse as well as at other CenTex events with him. I wasn't aware that you are a Texan until you posted that. Are you in San Antonio? Maybe we've met?
Looked at all the network coverage videos, apparently before strange variations of them started to appear later on youtube, and these videos used various camera angles on the second impact. Also went through the trouble of working out the directions of the cameras, the smoke trail and of the plane, including the last-second changes in the plane's direction, and all network videos appear to be consistent. The plane and smoke trail were were roughly at a right angle with respect to each other, so that in some views the plane could be said to appear to move in the same direction as the smoke trail, and in other views it could be said they appeared to be moving in opposite directions. The NP "TV fakery" video I've seen already exploits that and some other idiotic things. The cover-up clowns are also putting videos of thermite reactions on youtube and claiming they set them up using aluminum mixed with plaster. Some other coverup clown pretended he was a chemist on another website and claimed molten aluminum, gypsum and water could've made a thermite reaction. It's clear someone's quite desperate for even a short-term advantage.
There is so much bs out there now, it just is preposterous. The bottom line is the "OCT"ers have hung their hat on the NIST report, and that research project is nothing more than a cartoon computer fantasy. If I had just paid, 20-30 million for the NIST, I would demand a refund.
Mark "I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. [..] and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... — Former NYC Police Officer and 9/11 Rescue Worker Craig Bartmer
Best explanation I have heard yet.
Holy Crap! So this means I can't flame the hell out of anyone?LOL. Man I have been online here at freedom 4um for a long time but I lost my other password and stopped useing webtv so I had to Use a new screen name when I wanted to start posting again. Its likely we have met. I have attended a few of Rons functions. I used to be a regular but I moved to uvalde and now I am back. I live off Zipp road. I don't know where you are around here but we're neighbors. COOOOOL I was gonna go in the next hour or so, you should show up for a meet and greet.
I don't know about all that nobody. All I know is that I compared my copy of the days events with what I saw on the september clues video and both videos showed the same thing. Since the recording is later in the day all I have on my video is the proof of pixel bleed and one shot where thier is no plane that on other networks had a plane inserted at a later time. The media faked it for the man. And if anyones wondering I am bringing that video to the Taphouse tonight to share it with Ron ;)
No idea what you're talking about. In the interest of civility I have no further comment to you other than have a nice one.
pm me. I'm in Austin.
WTC Nuclear Demolition Writings of a Finnish Military Expert on 9/11 Evidence of advanced fusion devices at the WTC: 1. Pulverization of 99% of concrete into ultra fine dust as recorded by official studies. Concrete dust was created instantly throughout the towers when the fusion device million degree heat rapidly expanded water vapour 1000-fold in the concrete floors. 2. Superheated steels ablating (vaporizing continuously as they fall) as seen in video clips of the towers collapsing. This requires uniform temperatures roughly twice that of thermite. Conventional demolition or explosive charges (thermate, rdx, hdx etc.) cannot transfer heath so rapidly that the steel goes above it's boiling temperature. 3. 22 ton outer wall steel sections ejected 200 meters into the winter garden. Cutting charges cannot eject heavy steels and throwing charges cannot provide the energy required without heavy, solid surface mounts. 4. 330 ton section of outer wall columns ripping off side of tower. Cutting charges cannot eject heavy steels linked together and throwing charges cannot provide the energy required without very heavy, solid surfaces to mount those charges. 5. Molten ponds of steel at the bottom of elevator shafts (WTC1, WTC2, WTC7). Massive heath loads have been present at the lower parts of these high-rise buildings. As one of the witnesses after seeing the flow of metals declared: "no one will be found alive". 6. The spire behaviour (stands for 20-30 seconds, evaporates and goes down, steel dust remains in the air where the spire was). The spire did not stand because it lost its durability when the joints vaporized. 7. Sharp spikes in seismograph readings (Richter 2.1 and 2.3) occurred at the beginning of collapse for both towers. Short duration and high power indicate an explosive event. 8. A press weighting 50 tons disappeared from a basement floor of Twin Towers and was never recovered from debris. Not possible with collapses or controlled demolitions. The press was vaporized or melted totally. 9. Bone dust cloud around the WTC. This was found not until spring 2006 from the Deutsche Bank building. (In excess of 700 human remains found on the roof and from air vents). See http://www.911citizenswatch.org/print.php?sid=906 10. Fires took 100 days to extinguish despite continuous spraying of water. Thermate would burn out totally and then cool down much faster, just in a few days. This long cooling time means the total heath load being absorbed into the steels of the WTC was massive, far in excess anything found in collapses or typical controlled demolitions. 11. Brown shades of color in the air due nuclear radiation forming NO2, NO3 and nitric acid. TV and documentary footage changed the color balance to blue to disguise this fact indicating complicity in the coverup. 12. Elevated Tritium values measured in the WTC area but not elsewhere in New York. Official studies stated that 8 EXIT signs from two commercial Boeing jets were responsible. The tritium in those EXIT signs is insufficient to explain the measurements (very little tritium is available for measuring after evaporation into air as hydrogen and as tritiated water vapour. This can provide conclusive proof of fusion devices and therefore US/Israeli military involvement. 13. Pyroclastic flow observed in the concrete-based clouds. Only found with volcanic eruptions and nuclear detonations. The explosion squibs cool down just a few milliseconds after the explosion or after having reached some 10 meters in the air. Pyroclastic flow will not mix with other clouds meaning very serious heath in those clouds not possible with the conventional demolition or explosive charges. The pyroclastic clouds were cooling down at the WTC but this process took some 30 seconds. See http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1381525012075538113 14. Huge expanding dust clouds 5 times the volume of the building indicating extreme levels of heat generated far in excess of traditional demolition explosives. 15. Rubble height was some 10% of the original instead of 33% expected in a traditional demolition. Fusion device removal of underground central steel framework allowed upper framework to fall into this empty space and reduce the rubble height. 16. No survivors found, except some firefighters in one corner pocket in the rubble who looked up to see blue sky above them instead of being crushed by collapsing debris. Upward fusion flashlight-like beam of destruction missed this pocket but removed debris above those lucky firemen. 17. 14 rescue dogs and some rescue workers died far too soon afterward to be attributed to asbestos or dust toxins (respiratory problems due to alpha and tritium particles created by fusion are far more toxic) 18. Record concentrations of near-atomic size metal particles found in dust studies due to ablated steel. Only possible with vaporized (boiling) steels. 19. Decontamination procedure used at Ground Zero (hi-pressure water spraying) for all steel removed from site. Water spraying contains fusion radioactivity. 20. No bodies, furniture or computers found in the rubble, but intact sheets of paper covered the streets with fine dust. Items with significant mass absorbed fusion energy (neutrons, x-rays) and were vaporized while paper did not. Paper and powder theory. 21. 200 000 gallon sprinkler water tanks on the roofs of WTC1 and WTC2, but no water in the ruins. Heat of fusion devices vaporized large reservoirs of water. 22. Reports of cars exploding around the WTC and many burned out wrecks could be seen that had not been hit by debris. Fusion energy (heath radiation and the neutrons) caused cars to ignite and burn far from WTC site. 23. Wide area electrical outage, repairs took over 3 months. Fusion devices cause EM pulse with Compton scattering. See German engineers help the USA plate 5. http://home.debitel.net/user/andreas.bunkahle/defaulte.htm 24. EM pulse was recorded by broadcast cameras with high quality electronic circuitry. This occurred at the same time as the seismic peaks recorded by Lamont Doherty during the beginning of the collapse. This is due to the Compton Effect and resulted in a large area power outage at the WTC. "They must find it difficult... Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority." ~ Gerald Massey
I gotta admit that spire is an amazing thing and yet ANOTHER thing I dont see on any 911 truth video execpt for those TV fakery videos on youtube and live link. One moments its there clear as day. The next moment its smoke and dust. Steel does not turn into smoke and dust. At least is not supposed to. And the fact that several prominent Truth members have failed to speak on such things or the multiple flight approach angles or the fact that every wittness of the day seems to be employeed by the MSM in one form or another or every other media discrepency is a cause for great concern and suspicion.
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Bump for hope that some will watch and understand...and let me know they watched and understand.
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I believe some, if not all of the hijackers/crew/passengers, were signed up as taking part of the drill. Like bit actors. Little did they know what was to come.
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