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Title: Court bans Christian cross on private land in public park
Source: reuters
URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070906/us_nm/usa_religion_cross_dc
Published: Sep 14, 2007
Author: not attributed
Post Date: 2007-09-14 02:55:37 by farmfriend
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Court bans Christian cross on private land in public park

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - The U.S. government cannot trade a parcel of land to private hands to allow a Christian cross to remain in the middle of a vast federal preserve, a U.S. appeals court ruled on Thursday.

At issue is the Establishment Clause of the U.S. Constitution, which bars the government from favoring any one religion, as it applies to a lone white metal Latin cross in the Mojave National Preserve in southern California between Los Angeles and Las Vegas.

In 2004, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that a cross on a prominent rock on public land was unconstitutional, prompting Congress to pass a law allowing a trade so its immediate area would become private land.

People have been putting crosses in the spot since the 1930s, most recently with one man drilling a metal cross into the rock a decade ago without permission. In 1999, a man requested and was denied permission to build a Buddhist shrine there, setting the stage for a tangled legal fight.

"A grave constitutional injury already exists," Judge Margaret McKeown wrote for a three-judge panel that upheld a lower court ruling. "The permitting display of the Sunrise Rock cross in the Preserve is an impermissible governmental endorsement of religion.

"The government's long-standing efforts to preserve and maintain the cross atop Sunrise Rock lead us to the undeniable conclusion that the government's purpose in this case is to evade the injunction and keep the cross in place," the judge said. "Carving out a tiny parcel of property in the midst of this vast Preserve - like a donut hole with the cross atop it - will do nothing to minimize the impermissible governmental endorsement."


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#1. To: All, *Agriculture-Environment* (#0)


"every time government grows it is at the expense of personal liberty" - Ron Paul

farmfriend  posted on  2007-09-14   3:04:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: farmfriend (#0)

"A grave constitutional injury already exists," Judge Margaret McKeown wrote for a three-judge panel that upheld a lower court ruling. "The permitting display of the Sunrise Rock cross in the Preserve is an impermissible governmental endorsement of religion.

THIS JUST IN:

MORE FEDERAL TAX DOLLARS TO BE USED TO PAY FOR SYNAGOGUE SECURITY-NOT ONE PERSON DARES TO SUGGEST THAT THIS IS INJURIOUS TO THE CONSTITUTION-RABBI SAYS "GO FIGURE!"

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-09-14   5:54:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: HOUNDDAWG (#2)

MORE FEDERAL TAX DOLLARS TO BE USED TO PAY FOR SYNAGOGUE SECURITY-NOT ONE PERSON DARES TO SUGGEST THAT THIS IS INJURIOUS TO THE CONSTITUTION-RABBI SAYS "GO FIGURE!"

It is antisemitic to even think otherwise. There is a synagogue in Orange county that causes our cell phones to disconnect every time we drive by it; every time, same spot.

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robin  posted on  2007-09-14   9:33:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: robin (#3)

It is antisemitic to even think otherwise. There is a synagogue in Orange county that causes our cell phones to disconnect every time we drive by it; every time, same spot.

They jam the freqs to prevent remote detonations.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-09-14   10:00:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: HOUNDDAWG, robin (#4)

They jam the freqs to prevent remote detonations.

LOL! No, they do it so rude people's phones don't ring during services. There was a big controversy over stores doing the same thing not too long back.


"every time government grows it is at the expense of personal liberty" - Ron Paul

farmfriend  posted on  2007-09-14   11:30:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: farmfriend (#5)

LOL! No, they do it so rude people's phones don't ring during services. There was a big controversy over stores doing the same thing not too long back.

The technology to jam phones in the synagogue is sophisticated enough that it does not have to interfere with phones outside.

If it does it was intentional and not merely an undesirable side effect.

Because Southern California is such a hotbed of political extremism and the JDL tried to blow up an Arab-American congressman's office, it is not unreasonable to assume that they'd take precautions to prevent a parked car from exploding as worshipers gather outside.

In fact, former Navy Seal and undercover op Richard Marcinko once drove through Lebanon with a broad band transmitter and listened to the numerous explosions he prematurely triggered as bomb makers were assembling their deadly gifts. He knew as do I that explosives are a popular way to send messages to political adversaries in the Arab world.

And, let's not forget that Homeland Security money that was promised to NYC was distributed to synagogues nationwide for added security, and you can bet that this is the very type of security it was used to purchase. It wasn't to hire some dumb ass security guard who would be killed along with everyone else if someone triggers a concealed Claymore or RDX-laden vehicle.

And, because this synagogue has many powerful figures as members, I think it's just as likely that they would not jam cell phones inside. If anything, it's the other way around.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-09-14   12:46:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: HOUNDDAWG (#4)

They jam the freqs to prevent remote detonations.

That's my guess. It happens only at this one particular synagogue about a half block on either side of it.

Some religions are more equal than others, just like in Animal Farm.

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robin  posted on  2007-09-14   12:50:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: robin (#7)

You bet.

Political extremism in So Cal didn't die with Irv Rubin.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-09-14   12:51:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: HOUNDDAWG (#6) (Edited)

And, let's not forget that Homeland Security money that was promised to NYC was distributed to synagogues nationwide for added security, and you can bet that this is the very type of security it was used to purchase.

No doubt! Your tax dollars at work!

And at the next closest synagogue at a midweek event, they had a policeman directing traffic at the driveway into their parking lot.

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robin  posted on  2007-09-14   13:04:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: HOUNDDAWG (#6)

If it does it was intentional and not merely an undesirable side effect.

Plausible deniability.


"every time government grows it is at the expense of personal liberty" - Ron Paul

farmfriend  posted on  2007-09-14   13:36:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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