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Title: Is Our Government Legitimate?
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URL Source: http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance120.html
Published: Sep 17, 2007
Author: Laurence M. Vance
Post Date: 2007-09-17 21:55:09 by richard9151
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This paper taught me several things. If you have read the paper I wrote; There is no Constitution; it is a carefully crafted illusion, you will find that this paper certainly expands on the material in that!

Buried in section 111 of Title I, "Miscellaneous Provisions and Offsets," of Division J, "Other Matters," in H.R. 4818, "Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2005," which became Public Law 108-447 on December 8, 2004, is the congressional decree that redesignates September 17th as Constitution Day and Citizenship Day instead of what was just Citizenship Day.

This law requires the head of each federal agency or department to provide:

each new employee of the agency or department with educational and training materials concerning the U.S. Constitution as part of the orientation materials provided the new employee; and educational and training materials concerning the U.S. Constitution to each of its employees on September 17 of each year. It also stipulates that "each educational institution that receives Federal funds for a fiscal year to hold an educational program on the U.S. Constitution on September 17 of such year for its students."

September 17th was so designated because it is the anniversary of the signing of the U.S. Constitution in 1787. In fact, this year is somewhat special because it is the 220th anniversary of that event. But what if, instead of being a cause for celebration, the adoption of the Constitution was "the most successful fraud in American history"?

The question, then, is a simple one: Is our government legitimate? I am not asking whether the U.S. government in its current state is legitimate based on its adherence to the Constitution. That it is not legitimate in that respect is obvious since the current government is about as far removed from the Constitution as it could ever be and still claim to be the government of a constitutional republic.

The Constitution was written by the delegates from twelve states to the Philadelphia Convention, which met from May 25 to September 17, 1787. It was debated and refined by some of the greatest political minds of the day. Some of the delegates had been members of Congress, some had written state constitutions, some had been state governors, and a few had even signed the Declaration of Independence or the Articles of Confederation. Three members of Convention were current members of Congress, including James Madison.

Correct, but is our government legitimate?

The Constitution was sent to the states for ratification on September 28, 1787. On December 7, 1787, Delaware became the first state to ratify the Constitution. The ninth state needed for ratification was obtained on June 21, 1788, when New Hampshire ratified.

Yes, but is our government legitimate?

After Virginia (on June 25, 1788) and New York (on July 26, 1788) ratified the Constitution, the Confederation Congress passed a resolution on September 13, 1788, to put the new Constitution into effect. The operation of the new government under the Constitution began on March 4, 1789.

All true, but is our government legitimate?

In a speech before the Virginia ratifying convention on June 5, 1788, Patrick Henry, asked basically the same thing: "Had the delegates who were sent to Philadelphia a power to propose a Consolidated Government instead of a Confederacy?"

The United States were at this time under the Articles of Confederation. According to Article XIII, no alteration could be made to any of the Articles "unless such alteration be agreed to in a Congress of the United States, and be afterwards confirmed by the legislatures of every State."

Because of the perceived "weaknesses" of the Articles, especially regarding trade and commerce, there assembled in September of 1786 delegates from New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, and Virginia at Annapolis, Maryland. The delegates to the Annapolis Convention reported that

the States of New York, Pennsylvania, and Virginia, had, in substance, and nearly in the same terms, authorised their respective Commissioners "to meet such Commissioners as were, or might be, appointed by the other States in the Union, at such time and place, as should be agreed upon by the said Commissioners to take into consideration the trade and Commerce of the United States, to consider how far an uniform system in their commercial intercourse and regulations might be necessary to their common interest and permanent harmony, and to report to the several States such an Act, relative to this great object, as when unanimously ratified by them would enable the United States in Congress assembled effectually to provide for the same."

But because not all of the states were represented (New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and North Carolina appointed delegates but they never attended; Connecticut, Maryland, South Carolina, and Georgia didn’t appoint anyone), the "Commissioners did not conceive it advisable to proceed on the business of their mission, under the Circumstance of so partial and defective a representation."

It was then decided that an "appointment of Commissioners" should meet in Philadelphia the next year

to take into consideration the situation of the United States, to devise such further provisions as shall appear to them necessary to render the constitution of the Federal Government adequate to the exigencies of the Union; and to report such an Act for that purpose to the United States in Congress assembled, as when agreed to, by them, and afterwards confirmed by the Legislatures of every State, will effectually provide for the same.

It was resolved by Congress on February 21, 1787, that

it is expedient that on the second Monday in May next a Convention of delegates who shall have been appointed by the several states be held at Philadelphia for the sole and express purpose of revising the Articles of Confederation and reporting to Congress and the several legislatures such alterations and provisions therein as shall when agreed to in Congress and confirmed by the states render the federal constitution adequate to the exigencies of Government & the preservation of the Union.

The purpose of the Philadelphia Convention, according to the Congress of the United States at the time, was "for the sole and express purpose of revising the Articles of Confederation," not for writing a new Constitution.

The Anti-Federalists who opposed the Constitution recognized this. This is not the first or the second time that they were right.

"Centinel," who termed the Convention delegates "conspirators" and their work "criminality," wrote in his third letter published in Philadelphia’s Independent Gazetteer on November 8, 1787:

A comparison of the authority under which the convention acted, and their form of government will shew that they have despised their delegated power, and assumed sovereignty; that they have entirely annihilated the old confederation, and the particular governments of the several states, and instead thereof have established one general government that is to pervade the union; constituted on the most unequal principles, destitute of accountability to its constituents, and as despotic in its nature, as the Venetian aristocracy.

The "Federal Farmer" wrote for the Poughkeepsie Country Journal in 1787. He described the Convention in his first letter:

September, 1786, a few men from the middle states met at Annapolis, and hastily proposed a convention to be held in May, 1787, for the purpose, generally, of amending the confederation – this was done before the delegates of Massachusetts, and of the other states arrived – still not a word was said about destroying the old constitution, and making a new one – The states still unsuspecting, and not aware that they were passing the Rubicon, appointed members to the new convention, for the sole and express purpose of revising and amending the confederation – and, probably, not one man in ten thousand in the United States, till within these ten or twelve days, had an idea that the old ship was to be destroyed.

"Old Whig" wrote for Philadelphia’s Independent Gazetteer in late 1787 and early 1788. He brought up the Convention in his seventh essay:

The late convention were chosen by the general assembly of each state; they had the sanction of Congress; – for what? To consider what alterations were necessary to be made in the articles of confederation. What have they done? They have made a new constitution for the United States. I will not say, that in doing so, they have exceeded their authority; but on the other hand, I trust that no man of understanding amongst them will pretend to say, that any thing they did or could do, was of the least avail to lessen the rights of the people to judge for themselves in the last resort. This right, is perhaps, unalienable, but at all events, there is no pretense for saying that this right was ever meant to be surrendered up into the hands of the late continental convention.

The essays of an Anti-Federalist who wrote under the name of "John DeWitt" were published in the Boston American Herald in late 1787. He spoke of the Convention in his fourth essay:

And do you discover a desire in those who wish you to embrace this Government, to inform you of its principles, and the consequences which will probably ensue from such principles – why they have taken from you the sinews of your present government, and instead of revising and amending your Confederation; have handed you a new one, contrasted in the plenitude of its powers.

The dissenters in the Pennsylvania ratification convention who published The Address and Reasons of Dissent of the Minority of the Convention of Pennsylvania to Their Constituents in the Pennsylvania Packet and Daily Advertiser on December 18, 1787, said about the Convention:

The Continental convention met in the city of Philadelphia at the time appointed. It was composed of some men of excellent characters; of others who were more remarkable for their ambition and cunning, than their patriotism; and of some who had been opponents to the independence of the United States. The delegates from Pennsylvania were, six of them, uniform and decided opponents to the constitution of this commonwealth. The convention sat upwards of four months. The doors were kept shut, and the members brought under the most solemn engagements of secrecy. Some of those who opposed their going so far beyond their powers, retired, hopeless, from the convention others had the firmness to refuse signing the plan altogether, and many who did sign it, did it not as a system they wholly approved, but as the best that could be then obtained, and notwithstanding the time spent on this subject, it is agreed on all hands to be a work of haste and accommodation.

But it was not just the convention that gave us the national Constitution that the dissenters in the Pennsylvania ratification convention had a problem with, it was with their own state’s ratification convention as well:

The proposed system of government for the United States, if adopted, will alter and may annihilate the constitution of Pennsylvania; and therefore the legislature had no authority whatever to recommend the calling a convention for that purpose. This proceeding could not be considered as binding on the people of this commonwealth.

The Pennsylvania ratification convention was

a convention called by a legislature in direct violation of their duty, and composed in part of members, who were compelled to attend for that purpose, to consider of a constitution proposed by a convention of the United States, who were not appointed for the purpose of framing a new form of government, but whose powers were expressly confined to altering and amending the present articles of confederation. – Therefore the members of the continental convention in proposing the plan acted as individuals, and not as deputies from Pennsylvania. The assembly who called the state convention acted as individuals, and not as the legislature of Pennsylvania; nor could they or the convention chosen on their recommendation have authority to do any act or thing, that can alter or annihilate the constitution of Pennsylvania (both of which will be done by the new constitution) nor are their proceedings in our opinion, at all binding on the people.

The trouble with the corrupt, bloated, intrusive, out-of-control, evil monstrosity known as the federal government did not begin with – as destructive to liberty as they have been – Bush and the Republicans or LBJ and the Great Society or even FDR and the New Deal. We must go back even further than the tremendous increase in the size and scope of the government that we experienced under Wilson and Lincoln to locate where the trouble started. The first step was taken when the Philadelphia Convention was hijacked by those who desired a consolidated government instead of a confederate one.

No, we can’t change history; and yes, I know that the Constitution is accepted as not only legitimate, but authoritative, and binding. But the unpleasant history of the origin of the Constitution should at least help to quash the epidemic of Constitution worship among those who wish to return to its principles.

Although we would certainly be much better off if we returned to the limited government that the Constitution was supposed to set up – and perhaps that is the best we can hope for – it would be better if we could return to the government that the Framers of the Constitution destroyed.

Is our government legitimate? I think the answer is quite obvious.

All quotations from the Anti-federalists are taken from Regnery edition of The Anti-Federalists: Selected Writings and Speeches, edited by Bruce Frohnen. For the education about the Constitution and early American history that you never received in school, I highly recommend two works: The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Constitution, by Kevin Gutzman, and The Politically Incorrect Guide to American History, by Thomas Woods.

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#1. To: richard9151 (#0)

I have not read the article.

My answer is NO.

The Supreme Court has abdicated its constitutional responsibility.

The executive branch is a proven bunch of lying propagandists.

Congress is blackmailed by the FBI and other assorted state enforcement organs.

So, the answer to the citizen is clear.

The state is at the least your enemy, at the most a dangerous friend.

"Satan / Cheney in "08"

tom007  posted on  2007-09-17   22:06:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: richard9151 (#0)

Is Our Government Legitimate?

short answer...is it legitimate for the daughter of "Babylon"

http://www.gemworld.com/US-Symbol-DC.html

to rule over the daugher of Zion?

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Zec/Zec009.html#9

Mat 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Mat 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

Mat 21:45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.....

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat021.html#43

Luk 12:32 — Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Luk/12/32.html

Zec 2:7 Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest [with] the daughter of Babylon.

Zec 2:8 ¶ For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.

Zec 2:9 For, behold, I will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and ye shall know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me.

Zec 2:10 ¶ Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the LORD.

Zec 2:11 And many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto thee.

Zec 2:12 And the LORD shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose JerUSAlem again.

Zec 2:13 Be silent, O all flesh, before the LORD: for he is raised up out of his holy habitation.

2Cr 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

2Cr 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.....

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Zec/2/10.html

end of "short" answer.

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Eze 17:1 ¶ And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

Eze 17:2 Son of man, put forth a riddle, and speak a parable unto the house of Israel;

[ House of Israel: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Mat/15/24.html / http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/1Ch/22/9.html / http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/1Ch/22/10.html / http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Jhn/1/49.html / http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Rom/Rom009.html#6 / http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Rom/9/6.html / http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Rom/9/8.html / http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Gal/3/29.html ]

Eze 17:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; A great eagle with great wings, longwinged, full of feathers, which had divers colours, came unto Lebanon, and took the highest branch of the cedar:

[ the first eagle http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Exd/Exd019.html#4 ; verse 6; the cedar: The royal and ancient family of David; http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Rev/22/16.html ]

Eze 17:4 He cropped off the top of his young twigs

[search cross at Cape Henry and First Virginia Charter to advance Christianity],

and carried it into a land of traffick; he set it in a city of merchants

[see again First Virginia Charter, see **** Merchants of Venice below].

Eze 17:5 He took also of the seed of the land

[ http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Gal/3/29.html / http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat013.html#37 ],

and planted it in a fruitful field; he placed [it] by great waters,

[ http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/o/b/obfsskis.htm ]

[and] set it [as] a willow tree.

Eze 17:6 And it grew, and became a spreading vine [ http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn015.html#1 ] of low stature, whose branches turned toward him, and the roots thereof were under him: so it became a vine, and brought forth branches, and shot forth sprigs.

Eze 17:7 ¶ There was also another great eagle with great wings and many feathers: and, behold, this vine did bend her roots toward him, and shot forth her branches toward him, that he might water it by the furrows of her plantation. [ eagle with seal of solomon/star of david over head http://freemasonrywatch.org/onedollarbill.html ]

Eze 17:8 It was planted in a good soil by great waters, that it might bring forth branches, and that it might bear fruit, that it might be a goodly vine.

Eze 17:9 ¶ Say thou, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Shall it prosper? shall he not pull up the roots thereof, and cut off the fruit thereof, that it wither? it shall wither in all the leaves of her spring, even without great power or many people to pluck it up by the roots thereof.

Eze 17:10 Yea, behold, [being] planted, shall it prosper? shall it not utterly wither, when the east wind toucheth it? it shall wither in the furrows where it grew. ....

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze017.html

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Eze/17/10.html

What is the meaning of this parable? Hint.....

Jhn 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

Jhn 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every [branch] that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn015.html#1

Mat 15:12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?

Mat 15:13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.

Mat 15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch......

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat015.html#13

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Along with the Constitution, came the requirement to support it as THE SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND....Guess what?.....That usurped Jesus Christ and His law as laid down in the Sermon on the Mount. The nation that was founded as a nation on Christ and the spreading of the gospel [The First Virginia Charter http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/states/va01.htm , and a place of rest from the persecutors of Christians: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/2Sa/7/10.html ], was sold out to said persecutors, allowing them the chance to rule over their victims through "freedom of religion":

"....The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; 135....

In the emphatic language of the pledge required, It is to support this Constitution . And no power is more clearly conferred by the Constitution and laws of the United States than the power of this court to decide, ultimately and finally, all cases arising under such Constitution and laws." c103

Writing of the approaching civil war between Charles I and Parliament, in which the House of Lords would probably favor the King, the historian Green ("English People," Sec. 1036) portrayed in a sentence the dire consequences of a lack of clearly defined powers of government and of the binding of all officers of government to follow absolutely the written charter:

"The legal antiquarians of the older constitutional school stood helpless before such a conflict of coordinate powers, a conflict for which no provision had been made by the law, and on which precedents threw only a doubtful and conflicting light."

but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States. 136

136 By the oaths prescribed by some of the States the person entering office was required to express belief in "one God, the creator of the universe, the rewarder of the good and the punisher of the wicked"; or to declare belief in the "divine inspiration" of the Scriptures, or "faith in God the Father and in Jesus Christ, His only Son", and so on. **** Such oaths excluded from office those whose belief prevented them from so swearing, and they were consequently the "religious test" forbidden by this clause of the Constitution. This clause was added by motion in the Constitutional Convention to the language requiring an oath by all officials, both National and State, and its adoption was unanimous. The clause, however, is not a prohibition upon the States. But most if not all of the constitutions of the States have a like provision.

This subject comes up again in another form in the First Amendment, which forbids 141 Congress (not the States) to make any "law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." The First Amendment also, or the substance of it, is in the constitutions of the States, though some were slow in adopting it....."

The Constitution For The United States Its Sources and Its Application A

http://www.barefootsworld.net/constit7.html#136a

See also GEORGE WASHINGTON'S LASTING GIFT TO GENERATIONS OF JEWS:

"It is now no more that toleration is spoken of," Washington wrote, "as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights." He also declared that the government gave "to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance."

After centuries of persecution in Europe, Jews welcomed Washington's message of equality, which set the stage for the US to become home to the largest, most prosperous Jewish community in the world.

Washington's outreach to Jews was revolutionary, notes David Logan, dean of Roger Williams University's law school. America's Founding Fathers were unique in the world when they wrote freedom of religion into the laws of the new country, he says. "It's that pluralism and heterogeneity that make [America] a remarkable place."

In the spirit of that pluralism, this year's letter-reading event was officiated and attended by people of a variety of faiths.

The Rev. John Holt, a Methodist and executive minister for the interfaith Rhode Island Council of Churches, noted that the Touro Synagogue, dedicated in 1763 and the oldest surviving synagogue in the country, is "not a relic; it's a symbol of continuing religious tolerance."

It was America's religious freedom that allowed Jews eventually to be appointed to the highest bench in the country, said US Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, the keynote speaker....."

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0915/p12s01-lire.html

We all know the upshot of all this sly maneuvering is to supplant the people of this nation, PARTICULARLY TRUE CHRISTIANS TO WHOM GOD GAVE THIS NATION, with the antiChrist Jews and all their merry bands:

http://www.cephas-library.com/nwo/nwo_noachide_judge_and_courts_will_replace_ours.html

But God always has the last word....for an example:

2Ch 20:11 Behold, [I say, how] they reward us, to come to cast us out of thy possession, which thou hast given us to inherit.

2Ch 20:12 O our God, wilt thou not judge them? for we have no might against this great company that cometh against us; neither know we what to do: but our eyes [are] upon thee.....read on.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/2Ch/2Ch020.html#11

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*** MERCHANTS OF VENICE

"....Volume 2, Part I Section 8.183 -- Maritime Cases Part Thirteen of the British System

"...This brief identifies the chains with which they, the Merchants of Venice, their direct descendants and their lackeys, have used to make, we the people of North America into debt slaves.

The Merchants of Venice bastardized the many courts of Europe during the Middle Ages so as to effect their continued control, which they had established during the period after the collapse of the Roman Empire, up to the Dark Ages and through the Middle Ages period.

In 1776 (as indicated on the symbolic pyramid on the Federal Reserve $1.00 note), the continuation of their control was revealed as the Illuminati. This was the grand organization (or, re-organization, as they would have us believe) of the Masonic Lodge. The direct effect on us was their influence in the various mixings of the Law of the Sea with the Law of the Land in the British Limited Monarchy system. The situation is as a frog immersed in cold water brought slowly to a boil; the poor creature doesn't recognize the temperature change and cooks unaware.

In the latter half of another webpage I have posted on the internet, I explain how the British Monarchy has exchanged the Anglo-Saxon Common Law, based solely upon God's Law - the Golden Rule - 'Do not unto others as you would not have them do unto you', for British (so-called) Common Law, a form of Roman Civil Law.

Find it here: Treason

The "Founding Fathers" of the USA were all Masons, a commonly known fact. A recent revelation shows that the Constitution of the USA is "Ultra Vires" because it was never ratified -- by either the Committee of The States, or, more appropriately, by the People. Those signing as "witness" after Article VII were members of a committee to draft the Constitution. Witnessing would be the procedure to show unanimous approval of the draft by the committee members involved.

The next step should have been "approval" by the Committee of the States, the representative organization of the States mandated in the Articles of Confederation, Section 5 (AD1777). The final step should have been a "ratification" vote by the eligible voters in all the States concerned. There is no evidence that the latter two steps ever took place, thus making the present Constitution of the USA an unratified draft. Instead, it was only ratified by the corporate officers (Legislatures) of the incorporated States.

Americans have been deceived into believing that those they elect into State legislatures and Congress are 'representatives' of the people. They are only 'representatives' of that portion of the deck (voting district) of the make-believe ship - corporate body politic for which they become corporate officers. Their total allegiance is to the 'captain' - governor of the make-believe ship....

The Protocols of Zion, the gameplan of the Illuminati and their One World Government movement was apparently brought to public attention as early as 1785. In that program, the plans were set forth to thwart nationalism and common law societies by many devious ways, including the use of Masonry. Were George Washington and his close associates -- all Masons -- involved in the plan to scuttle the Union and the Common Law society destined for the People of North America?....."

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/cmlaw13.htm

Of course they were:

"...The following quotes are from an article with the title: GEORGE WASHINGTON'S SURRENDER: "And many of the people of the land became Jews." Esther 9:17. "The confession of General Cornwallis to General Washington at Yorktown has been well hidden by historians. History books and text books have taught for years that when Cornwallis surrendered his army to General Washington that American independence came, and we lived happily ever after until the tribulations of the twentieth century."

"Jonathan Williams recorded in his LEGIONS OF SATAN, 1781, that Cornwallis revealed to Washington that "a holy war will now begin on America, and when it is ended America will be supposedly the citadel of freedom, but her millions will unknowingly be loyal subjects to the Crown." Cornwallis went on to explain what would seem to be a self contradiction: "Your churches will be used to teach the Jew's religion and in less than two hundred years the whole nation will be working for divine world government. That government that they believe to be divine will be the British Empire. All religions will be permeated with Judaism without even being noticed by the masses, and they will all be under the invisible all-seeing eye of the Grand Architect of Freemasonry." And indeed George Washington himself was a Mason, and he gave back through a false religion what he had won with his army. ...."

"Cornwallis well knew that his military defeat was only the beginning of world catastrophe that would be universal and that unrest would continue until mind control could be accomplished through a false religion. What he predicted has come to pass. A brief sketch of American religious history and we have seen Masonry infused into every church in America With their veiled Phallic religion........

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/hoax/unionjack_epilogue.htm

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Is Our Government Legitimate?

No and hell, no....it is an abomination that will be plucked up.

Eze 20:33 ¶ [As] I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:

Eze 20:34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.

Eze 20:35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.

Eze 20:36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD.

Eze 20:37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the [NEW!] covenant:

Eze 20:38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD....."

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze020.html#33

One more thought....all scripture is given for an example.....word to the wise:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Luk/Luk021.html#20

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, "Come out" of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.....

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Rev/Rev018.html#4

Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Zec/14/12.html

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-09-18   13:08:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: richard9151 (#0)

Yes, the acts of the Constitutional Convention were illegitimate under the Articles of Confederation, and thus technically revolutionary.

However, they were not nearly as revolutionary as the Declaration of Independence and its complement, the Articles of Confederation.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-09-18   13:40:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: aristeides (#3)

However, they were not nearly as revolutionary as the Declaration of Independence and its complement, the Articles of Confederation.

The difference, the Declaration of Independence and the Articles of Confederation were done in the open with the support of a large majority of the people.

The Constitution was done in secret, and, as I have pointed out, was a fraud in fact as well as in spirit, so the two cases are hardly comparable.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2007-09-18   18:11:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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