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Title: Who is liable for the Income Tax, and, why?
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URL Source: http://famguardian.org/Publications ... aradigm/TheGalileoParadigm.pdf
Published: Sep 18, 2007
Author: Adele Weiss
Post Date: 2007-09-18 12:45:35 by richard9151
Keywords: None
Views: 1459
Comments: 118

Societal Presumptions made by lenient minded Aemrican Nationals

Interesting statement, is it not? This; http://famguardian.org/Publications/GalileoParadigm/TheGalileoParadigm.pdf

is a PDF file that I would recommend that you download, print, and study until you 'get it.' And, you should turn first to Chapter 2, Application for SSN and what it means.

If, IF, you will simply read this info, you will never be confused again about what is going on the so-called Tax Protest movement. I guarentee it. And, you will never be swindled into paying for de-taxing material either! Why? Because, probably for the first time in your life, you will understand the basis of the Income Tax, the Social Security program, and, not least of all, socialism. But, that is your choice, to understand or not, so, please, make a wise one.

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#7. To: richard9151 (#0)

you will understand the basis of the Income Tax, the Social Security program

They are as intertwined as a man and his wife in the "throes of passion".

The SS program is voluntary. The IT is mandatory for those that "volunteer" for the SS program. Simple as that. Those that DON'T have a SS# are defined in the IR Code (though not quite so bluntly) as NON TAXPAYERS. NOT "tax protesters", "tax evaders", or any of a plethora of other things - but as a LEGAL Non-Taxpayer. No hassles, just a totally different "class" or "status".

Gee, freedom is wonderful. We're perfectly free to allow our ignorance to bind us in a contract which will forever more cause us misery and a reason to complain...

innieway  posted on  2007-09-24   10:41:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The problem is this fellas.

The banksters and the DOJ/federal judiciary refuses to acknowledge the right to contract our services to any corporation without walking through the looking glass of IRS enclave jurisdiction.

As far as they're concerned there is no legal way to sell my services to a corporation unless I'm an "employee" or a contractor with an ID # that is used to 1099 me at the end of the year.

So, if the govt has in effect outlawed the common law right to work without their jurisdiction, and all of the monies disbursed by a corporation are govt revenues and subject to the tax, then, the coercive nature of this fraud renders any innocent claim that the tax is "a voluntary contract" disingenuous.

According to the IRS a "corporation" can't stop and buy a glass of lemonade or a newspaper with corporate money if the lemonade or news vendor is a bootlegger and has no license to sell to a corporation.

I tried to paint a tax lawyer into a corner by asking her if my kids' lemonade stand was subject to the income tax. She said it was.

In other words any transaction between any two parties of any age or alleged status within the continental US is a taxable event and the IRS has the power to come in, toss the place, line people up and handcuff them while they use a subpoena to determine the amount of the deficiency.

And, nowhere in any IRS, DOJ or federal district, appeals or supreme court literature or decisions will you find your assertion that SS is voluntary and one may go about their life with no involvement in it.

The fact that one may extrapolate that position after hundreds of hours of study does not constitute black letter law that then relieves the govt of any responsibility for the fraud they've perpetrated against the people.

And, the fact that most judges would not allow either of you to assert that position to your own juries in criminal trials is proof enough that your self assuredness on the subject is reckless, and is ample proof that neither of you have ever tried to beat the rap which you seem to think is just a walk in the park.

The whole IRS Code was written to obfuscate the voluntary nature of the income tax (which includes social security in subtitle C) and no judge will allow a defendant to lead a jury through the necessary steps to illuminate that fact.

And when lawyers like Larry Becraft and that feller in Louisiana do win, they do so because they or their clients asked good faith questions which the IRS never answered, not because they were allowed to detail the fraudulent scheme in open court.

Time and time again when jurors ask to see the law they receive replies from judges that read "I have given you the law".

When have you ever heard of a jury deliberating a social security or income tax case while referring to Title 26 in the jury room?

They are not allowed to see the code and they would not be allowed to deliberate about your "theory of operation" regarding the "voluntary" nature of social security. Nor would either of you be permitted to hand the jurors an outline that details the progression of steps used to reach that conclusion.

So, what good is a theory of law if you are never going to be allowed to offer it in evidence?

Usually when I ask these questions I'm told how stoopid I am. This is because armchair experts don't like to be told that their justice only exists in a parallel universe that no jury will ever see....

Now, you may preach it all you like, but the courtroom is where the rubber meets the road and it will not do you a bit of good there.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-09-24   17:40:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

And, nowhere in any IRS, DOJ or federal district, appeals or supreme court literature or decisions will you find your assertion that SS is voluntary and one may go about their life with no involvement in it.

I always love someone who comments without reading the material. Tickles me pink, one might say.

As a matter of fact, if you know where to look, there are cases that state exactly what you say is never stated, and no, since you have no interest in reading the material, I am not going to go and look it up for you. If you are interested, log into Family Forums and enjoy. They have a wealth of on-point info that covers about all contingencies.

As to the other part, no, you can not deal with corporations and be free. Just a fact of life. On the other hand, I know, personally, dozens of people who exist quite well, thank you, including myself, without any Social Security number. And have for many years. The problem is that people will not make a decision to be free, so they can not be.

Since the juries that you mention are actually, in any tribunal 'within the U.S.', an advisery panel and ARE NOT A JURY, why would they be allowed to debate the law when all they are doing is advising the judge on the matters before the tribunal, which is, in all cases, contracts? Which, by the way, is all that the tribunal has the authority to address.

This comes down, in the final analysis, to understanding the difference between 'rights' and 'civil' rights, which are as different as day and night. And if you do not understand that difference, then we probably should not be having this conversation.

richard9151  posted on  2007-09-24   18:33:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I know, personally, dozens of people who exist quite well, thank you, including myself, without any Social Security number

Well duh.....you claim to live in Mexico......

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-09-24   19:57:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Well duh.....you claim to live in Mexico......

Well duh, Social Security is in 173 nations world wide, oh-so-bright-boy. And here, a very large percentage of the people are smarter than to sign up, which is why most Mèxicans do not pay any income tax. Duh.

But I have only been here 10 years, so you probably know a lot more about it than I do. Oh, and I have paid no SS tax since about 1978. But other than that....... Go ahead and fill me in.

richard9151  posted on  2007-09-24   22:11:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Social Security is in 173 nations world wide

BS you goofy bastard. Cite the source of your stastics. Besides, Mexicans (you) are to social security benefits like cockroaches are to a stale taco.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-09-24   22:33:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

BS you goofy bastard. Cite the source of your stastics.

You never learn, do you Jethro. How many times do I have to make you look like a fool before you stop calling me on things?

http://www.ssa.gov/internatio nal/links.html

Social Security in Other Countries

An ever-increasing number of social security agencies and organizations around the world are publicizing their programs on the World Wide Web. We have listed some of these Web sites below and will be adding to the list as we learn of new sites. Please pass along any additions or corrections using our Feedback form or e-mail to webmaster@ssa.gov.

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The above link shows about 115 nations THAT ARE ONLINE WITH THEIR SS INFO. This is certainly not all of the nations world wide that are in Social Security, but it is a pretty good start. Now, you go ahead and look all you want, Jethro. Oh, and yes, Mèxico is included in this list.

And think about it, Jethro; this is an official US government site. Should show a reasonably intelligent man that everything is tied together, but hey, that leaves you out, right?

richard9151  posted on  2007-09-24   22:58:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Goofy-boy. Is reading comprehension still a problem? Your material says "social security agencies and organizations" not social security as we know here in the states. That said, it’s time for you to scramble back into your tin roofed hovel and snuggle up next to your mule. The hour, it grows late.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-09-24   23:07:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Your material says "social security agencies and organizations" not social security as we know here in the states.

This is what is shown on that site; Other Countries' Social Security Agencies

I know this is going to come as a shock, Jethro, esp. to someone who obviously does not read much, but the Social Security Agency within the United States is an AGENCY.

And if you ever bother to study the subject, you would find that everyone of those agencies collect a tax, and that in conjunction with that social security tax, there is also an income tax in everyone of those nations. Each of them promise to pay a retirement benefit, so, where is the difference?

Oh, yeah, I forgot, each of those agencies are NOT in one of the Axis of Evil nations, and, each of them pays a percentage of what they collect to the Crown of England.

Try again, Jethro. Oh, and when you look at the info again, please not that neither Iran nor Iraq have a social security agency in it.

richard9151  posted on  2007-09-24   23:26:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The site you reference is a government source, specifically the social security administration. They have a vested interest is making people believe that 173 nations have similar social security agencies as ours. I don’t believe their statistics for a second, after all they also claim those presently paying into the system will receive benefits when they become eligible. Can you can tell us what a citizen of Haiti or Zimbabwe receive from their social security administration? If not it's likely your reference is gold- plated BS. It’s curious a non-American such as yourself would use an American government document as a source, but then again nothing you say should come as a shock. Your purpose here is to offer crack-pot, patriot remedies, all of which have a strong potential to separate decent people from their property and savings. Unfortunately for some, your swill has an audience, albeit small. You personally might have nothing to lose, but others do and it’s they who need to be wary of your zany theories. Richard my friend, you’ve not only crossed over the border, you’ve crossed over the threshold of sanity and it’s there you have relevance, not here.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-09-25   8:14:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Your purpose here is to offer crack-pot, patriot remedies, all of which have a strong potential to separate decent people from their property and savings.

Please, explain your reasoning for excluding the governments own statements from their website while at the same time you admit that you comply and admonish others to comply with legalities promoted in exactly the same forum. In other words when Richard supplies the evidence supporting his contention, you deny the legitimacy of the information off-handedly, but bow down and worship the same documentation when you comply with the requirements proclaimed by the same informants, ie., the government.

Are you bi-polar ?

noone222  posted on  2007-09-25   8:26:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Are you bi-polar ?

Another patriot, Bible-driven savior crawls out of the wood work....

When Richard (or you) can prove to me the govt. contention that 173 nations participate in a social security scheme, I'll take him (you) seriously. Until then, I pray you both enjoy life in realm of Kookdom.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-09-25   8:39:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Please, explain your reasoning for excluding the governments own statements from their website while at the same time you admit that you comply and admonish others to comply with legalities promoted in exactly the same forum.

Ad hominem attacks are perceived as such by the intelligent members of this forum.

Why don't you answer the question ?

noone222  posted on  2007-09-25   8:53:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

while at the same time you admit that you comply and admonish others to comply with legalities promoted in exactly the same forum

That the social security administration, or any other govt. agency would put out faulty data is a given. I doubt even your band of kooks would disagree. AFA you choosing to ignore the IRS or any other licensing agency, I say go for it. I don’t think you have anything to lose unlike others here.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-09-25   9:51:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

That the social security administration, or any other govt. agency would put out faulty data is a given.

I was going to leave this thread alone, but that ain't gonna happen when this kind of bullshit is being tossed around.

What proof do you have that ANY data from Social Security, or, for that matter, any other goverment agency, is faulty?!

Why would it need to be faulty when most Americans are just like you; absolute morons who have no clue as to what is actually going on? Who do not read, do not study, have no inkling of the law OR of case law from the so-called courts?

WHY WOULD IT BE NECCESSARY TO PUT OUT FAULTY DATA TO SUCH AS YOU?!

richard9151  posted on  2007-09-25   13:29:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

What proof do you have that ANY data from Social Security, or, for that matter, any other goverment agency, is faulty?!

The social security administration is leading my children to believe that their “contribution” will entitle them to benefits down the line. They and I know this is bullshit. That you fail to recognize this as a lie to keep their Ponzi scheme afloat adds to your buffoon status.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-09-25   13:37:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The social security administration is leading my children to believe that their “contribution” will entitle them to benefits down the line.

???????????????????????? Why is that a lie?! Social Security is NOT GOING AWAY!!! Everyone will continue to make their con-tributions just like normal, and, there WILL be benefits paid.

The only difference, Jethro, is how big a benefit, and at what age that benefit will start. And that is a political question, and not up to the administrators of the Social Security system.

But just because the political part changes does not make anything about this a lie!

richard9151  posted on  2007-09-25   14:04:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Why is that a lie?! Social Security is NOT GOING AWAY!!! Everyone will continue to make their con-tributions just like normal, and, there WILL be benefits paid.

And Elvis is alive and well!!!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-09-25   14:07:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

And Elvis is alive and well!!!

"Dear Sir Or Madam,

Our records show that you paid 40% of your wages into Social Security for 38 years, and, you are now entitled to a benefits check of 32 Ameros a month. (About 78 cents)

Signed,

Pontius "Apu" Nahasapeemapetilon, IV.,

Social Security Benefits Case Officer"

Suuuure, my kids will work for an "on the books" employer for the entire lives to get in on that!

Such a deal!

LONG LIVE SOCIAL SECURITY!

(the guy who's never mistaken said it ain't going away)

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-09-25   14:39:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

LONG LIVE SOCIAL SECURITY!

(the guy who's never mistaken said it ain't going away)

You are correct; it is not going away. The only way you can kill Social Security is if you kill the New World Order, because Social Security is the web that creates the New World Order, and, gives it authority over all of the people within all of the nations that have contracted into 'their' system.

And, while you are doing that, you will need to kill the thousands upon tens of thousands upon 100s of thousands of people who have paid into the system and will fight you tooth and nail to keep it going.

Of course, perhaps I AM mistaken, and you have god like powers that can accomplish this. Let's see; in the link I put up, there were about 115 nations shown that have their SS info on line, so just in those 115 nations, I would suspect that there are between 800,000,000 - 1,000,000,000 people in Social Security. Perhaps much more. So I would suspect you are a bit outnumbered if you intend to kill off Social Security.

richard9151  posted on  2007-09-25   17:28:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The only way you can kill Social Security is if you kill the New World Order, because Social Security is the web that creates the New World Order, and, gives it authority over all of the people within all of the nations that have contracted into 'their' system.

So you’d suggest that my Aunt Tilly, who is fast approaching 65 and worked her entire life, refuse her social security check when she’s entitled?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-09-25   17:47:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

So you’d suggest that my Aunt Tilly, who is fast approaching 65 and worked her entire life, refuse her social security check when she’s entitled?

Why would I suggest that?! I do not even suggest that you quit, or, for that matter, that anyone else should quit.

What I do expect is that you, AND EVERYONE ELSE, understand what you did/are doing and how you/we got into this mess in the first place.

I do not give legal advice, and never suggest that people follow in my footsteps, unless they are called to do so. I have chosen a hard road, but it is right for me.

But overall, just the simple step of understanding the contractual nature of Social Security, if people would simply think it through, would do away with all of the non-sense about the so-called tax protesters.

After all, if you want the benefit, pay the tax. And shut up about it.

richard9151  posted on  2007-09-25   22:33:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#110. To: richard9151, thread (#109)

If you want the benefit, pay the tax and shut up about it.

Unbelievable, it only took 109 posts to arrive here ... without a single fatality.

noone222  posted on  2007-09-25 23:02:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

if you want the benefit, pay the tax. And shut up about it.

I'll give my kids your advice. I'm sure their Fortune 50 companies will be more than happy to stop yanking their FICA "contribution" from their checks.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-09-25 23:27:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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