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Title: Who is liable for the Income Tax, and, why?
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URL Source: http://famguardian.org/Publications ... aradigm/TheGalileoParadigm.pdf
Published: Sep 18, 2007
Author: Adele Weiss
Post Date: 2007-09-18 12:45:35 by richard9151
Keywords: None
Views: 1413
Comments: 118

Societal Presumptions made by lenient minded Aemrican Nationals

Interesting statement, is it not? This; http://famguardian.org/Publications/GalileoParadigm/TheGalileoParadigm.pdf

is a PDF file that I would recommend that you download, print, and study until you 'get it.' And, you should turn first to Chapter 2, Application for SSN and what it means.

If, IF, you will simply read this info, you will never be confused again about what is going on the so-called Tax Protest movement. I guarentee it. And, you will never be swindled into paying for de-taxing material either! Why? Because, probably for the first time in your life, you will understand the basis of the Income Tax, the Social Security program, and, not least of all, socialism. But, that is your choice, to understand or not, so, please, make a wise one.

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That the social security administration, or any other govt. agency would put out faulty data is a given.

Your propensity to insult others is only surpassed by your double mindedness. You say that the govt. is capable of putting forth bad info yet you turn around and admonish others to just do it anyways because you might lose your stuff.

I don’t think you have anything to lose unlike others here.

The first three words sum you up in toto.

And, the fact that you are willing to say the govt. provides disinformation regarding the SS System but you choose to continue making contributions is indicative of either your dependence upon the system or lack of self-respect.

"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins

noone222  posted on  2007-09-25   10:02:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

At this point, there is no solution other than a V for Vendetta scenario where the masses rebel, gather, and do what needs to done.

Non-compliance is a form of [V] non-violent resistance. IMHO.

"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins

noone222  posted on  2007-09-25   10:07:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Dedicated to determined souls disrupting the degenerates dealing dirty dog shit on disciples of Divine justice.

"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins

noone222  posted on  2007-09-25   10:13:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I doubt even your band of kooks would disagree. AFA you choosing to ignore the IRS or any other licensing agency, I say go for it. I don’t think you have anything to lose unlike others here.

Love em or hate em ... the founders of this country (kooks supreme) decided they were willing to sacrifice their wealth, their lives and their sacred honor to defeat a far less intrusive government.

Us kooks are in good company.

Having taken another couple of minutes to think about it, I decided it may be an important element in establishing firm opposition to the perps for a few to lose their stuff, or be mistreated blatantly by the feds before we are able to muster the back bone necessary to throw the bums out.

Edit: Or if we choose to be cowards we can say ... they asked for it ... kooks !

"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins

noone222  posted on  2007-09-25   10:24:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Your propensity to insult others

Wasn't it you who called me bi-polar this morning?

Lighten up pony-boy. The reality we live in is simple; when they want you they'll beat and cage you. No bible, no research nor any faux Mexican amigo will be there to help you out.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-09-25   10:34:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Wasn't it you who called me bi-polar this morning?

I asked if you were bi-polar ... (I might have to admit an insinuation existed in the question)

The fact of the matter is that they're coming for us whether we comply or don't comply. Ultimately this must result in some form of disruption.

"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins

noone222  posted on  2007-09-25   10:41:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ultimately this must result in some form of disruption.

Yes, they need to be shot. There is no other realistic remedy to the current mess we’re in.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-09-25   11:03:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Are you bi-polar ?

Wish I had said that. Explains a lot. Of course, much of the problem with Jethro can be explained by his simply never reading anything. This thread is a good example, where he took only a small piece of the material shown (only what I posted; never looked at the site) and jumped to conclusions based on nothing significant.

He does the same thing regularly. I have caught him commenting on posts after reading the heading and nothing else, and other times just reacting to the comments to a post. And then there are a couple of times he has posted info and had no clue as to what was in the post; BUT, the headline looked good! His comments in those cases were pretty amusing. Esp. after I thanked him for one of the posts, which, to his dismay, proved what I had been saying all along.

With Jethro, it ain't hard to figure out where he is coming from; I GOT MINE FROM THE GOOD OL US of A AND SCREW AMERICA!!!!

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2007-09-25   11:11:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

we've come a long way since the founders of this country. it's a whole new world and what worked for them considering the time, logistics, number of people, etc etc won't work now. as you and JT just concluded, there really is only solution. i'm not holding my breath for that to happen en masse, so given that, i have to figure out a way to live the rest of my life practically and with as much peace as i can create for myself.

they can disappear you, me, BTP Holdings, or anyone they want at any time.

christine  posted on  2007-09-25   11:12:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Please share with me a few remedies you and your fellow comrades recommend for this rogue government we live under, keeping in mind Richard does not believe the bastards should be shot.

The ONLY remedy to deal entirely with this rogue government WITHOUT shooting them would require nearly 100% conformity among ALL of "We The People" - and I don't see that happening.

BUT, there IS a small revolution already taking place in this country. It isn't being fought with guns. It isn't something glamorous. And it is slow. However, it may someday succeed. It involves:
1) Relearning what it is to be free, and how "We The People" slowly and voluntarily gave up our freedom. A major first step is to quit feeding at the government trough. (If you haven't read the Wild Pigs Of The Okefenokee I posted yesterday, you should. A very easy read) I outlined in post #41 of this thread how the SS lures us into the tax fraud. It goes beyond this to other contracts which we voluntarily enter into such as Driver's licenses. Each and every contract with the state that you volunteer into puts "money in their pocket". Look at it as giving $5 to a drug addict - you are merely enabling them to stay high a little longer. If you don't feed the baby it will starve and die. We have to quit "feeding" this mess by contracting away our RIGHTS in favor of their PRIVILEGES. Something Richard, Noone, and myself all have in common is a total lack of any licenses (contracts with the state).
2) Take away the power of some of the biggest "corporate entities" or "industries". For example the health care industry and Big Pharma. They exude a great amount of "pull" on the legislature of this country, and all the while produce nothing - except for more illness, misery, and death. EVERY drug they make has "side effects" (many of which are much more serious than the "ailment" which it was designed to TREAT). We must learn to manage our own health, and NOT need the services of doctors and Big Pharma (again starving them out). This is done mainly by our food choices, and I'm not just talking about the "fast food" stuff. Hell, there's not more than a tiny handful of things that come out of the grocery store that's fit for human consumption. And some things like pork, shrimp, and lobster aren't fit for human consumption no matter where you get it. Look at the American diet, chock full of sugar, MSG, Aspartame, fat, yeast, Genetically Modified grains, vegetables and fruits which have been sprayed with toxic chemicals to control pests, things which have been grown in soil which was chemically fertilized, and various industrial products such as store-bought milk (as opposed to RAW, unpasteurized milk). No wonder we're all sick. Something Richard, Noone, and myself all have in common - we don't drink sodas and all the other crap, eat pork or lobster, sugar and "artificial sweeteners" etc. We have also not been to see a doctor in collectively something like 50 years.
3) Education. But NOT an "education" like what is taught in our public schools and colleges. An education which can only be received from a prudent study of everyday life and it's challenges. For example, myself and Noone both are very active in trying to educate the ones around us about the Federal Reserve scam, and advocate (and use) silver as our preferred medium of currency. We're also strong advocates of barter. Something Richard, Noone and myself all do is read avidly. TV sets don't see 10 hours of use per year. The things we read MOST (aside from Scripture, which you don't care to hear about) are LAW, health, economics - the things we most often comment on in this forum...

It goes even beyond what I have outlined here, but I simply don't have time to detail it all. Suffice it to say that it involves common sense.

But like I said, most folks aren't going to care. Everyone will readily admit that we need change in our "rogue" government, but they fail to realize that change begins on a personal level. To quote Richard "How can you change something as big as government if you can't first change yourself?

Exclude bible references if possible, as I don't believe in fables.

I hope this met your criteria. If you choose to believe Scripture is a "fable", you certainly have that right, and I would certainly be willing to fight for you to be able to keep that right. Doesn't mean I agree with you, just that you have that right.
Personally, I find it very difficult (downright impossible in fact) to call any writings which are over 2000 years old that contain prophecies which have played out in history ever since - and continue to do so to this very day right in front of our very eyes - a "fable".
That is the one other thing Richard, Noone and myself all have in common - we have the understanding that the Creator of the Universe is INFINITELY more wise and powerful than even (gasp) the Almighty Government of America (or any other for that matter); and, have committed to HIM. We strive to keep HIS laws, and in "return" (I believe - and in fact He stated in Scripture) that He "has our back". Could this be why we drive around freely without driver's licenses, do business without SS#s, not pay taxes, are not in jail, AND are all healthy and have no need for doctor visits??? Something to ponder on...

BTW, The Creator (or God if you will - but don't get confused, there are more Gods than I can count, and they are all very real. The ONE I am speaking of is NOT the same one the "pulpit parrots" and "religions" talk about) is a HUGE part of the "revolution" of which I speak. This in itself will exclude a great many (unfortunately) like yourself. JT v. Government is a mismatch - JT with The Creator on his side v. Government may not be - or in fact MAY be a mismatch with JT being on top! (Just a bit more "food for thought".)

99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name.
Steven Wright

innieway  posted on  2007-09-25   11:15:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Consider a U.S. Supreme Court ruling still in effect:

Really an excellent reply. Saved it to my puter (all of it) to re-read and enjoy again! And again! In fact, with your permission, I may use part of it in Part III of my series on the Constitution, as I do not think it can be improved upon.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2007-09-25   11:20:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It's way past time to study and read about SS and contracts.

Really? Interesting. So your claim, Christine, is that we are to rebel and then go right back to doing the same things all over again so that in a few generations we - our children/grandchildren - get to do the rebellion all over again, right?

We should never learn from our past mistakes; just keep on keeping on and to hell with history cause it ain't possible to learn anything THERE.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2007-09-25   11:25:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

At this point, there is no solution other than a V for Vendetta scenario where the masses rebel, gather, and do what needs to done.

The scope of what this mess has become makes me think that you are right. I'm afraid we have simply run out of time for anything else to work. Between now and when this occurs, I will keep trying other things as I outlined in a response to JT on this thread #55.

BUT, it's not the government and their minions which scare me. It's the Creator of the Universe which commands my biggest attention. HE is the One that decides upon a much bigger time frame on my "quality of life" (or lack thereof) than the 70 or so years of this round of life.

HE is the One that warned us it would be this way - that it would come to this. And in fact "we ain't seen nothin yet". HE tried to tell us NOT to play this game many times - for example: (Jesus speaking here)
Luke 22:25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. 26 But ye [shall] not [be] so

Under the SS system, you are the "beneficiary", and the government is the benefactor...

99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name.
Steven Wright

innieway  posted on  2007-09-25   11:30:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Non-compliance is a form of [V] non-violent resistance. IMHO.

Please remember a post I put up some time ago titled Leaderless Resistance. If more Americans had decided to go that route, just as I have done, over the last 50 years, we, as Americans, would not have the problems that we have today.

The simple fact is that I do not need a leader to know what is right and wrong, and, I refuse to cooperate with wrong/evil. That is my line in the sand, and, I have adhered to it for many, many years.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2007-09-25   11:34:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Something Richard, Noone, and myself all have in common is a total lack of any licenses (contracts with the state).

and haven't you both had problems recently because of this? iow, you're fine as long as they choose to leave you alone, but any time they want, they'll come get you. your not having a # or a contract with them won't protect you. i even know of a man w/o the # (or driver license) whose RELIGIOUS beliefs won't allow it and he spends more time in jail than out. he's in their system and they're not going to let him out. they're even going after the mennonites and the amish. no one is immune from the tyrannical power of the state once it chooses to target you. that's why, again, there is only one solution. they need to start disappearing.

christine  posted on  2007-09-25   12:12:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

and haven't you both had problems recently because of this? iow, you're fine as long as they choose to leave you alone, but any time they want, they'll come get you. your not having a # or a contract with them won't protect you.

they're even going after the mennonites and the amish.

I would mostly agree with this statement and add that it is a really frustrating position that Americans in general are in. Being told how free we are when it's not true. Maybe it's our upbringing or indoctrination that requires of us that we must first peacefully resist errant law. Then, when we feel the oppression has reached an intolerable condition we are justified in forcefully resisting as we have noticed them. We may lose the battle of force, and they can and will kill some of us ... but they can't kill the idea. The only reason they feel comfortable in forcing compliance is not because of the resistance of a few, but directly related to the compliance of the ill-informed masses.

Not one case of autism among the amish ... could be related to non-compliance with vaccine policies.

"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins

noone222  posted on  2007-09-25   12:36:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The scope of what this mess has become makes me think that you are right. I'm afraid we have simply run out of time for anything else to work. Between now and when this occurs, I will keep trying other things as I outlined in a response to JT on this thread #55.

BUT, it's not the government and their minions which scare me. It's the Creator of the Universe which commands my biggest attention. HE is the One that decides upon a much bigger time frame on my "quality of life" (or lack thereof) than the 70 or so years of this round of life.

understood. i wrote my last post before reading this one.

we all have unique situations and obligations such as family, business partners, pets and others who are dependent on us. my point being, decisions of this nature cannot be made unilaterally. we must make decisions and realistic choices that won't put those to whom we have obligations in jeopardy. incidentally, i'm speaking from experience as we are in the throes of the battle as i type. we've used some sound approaches in dealing with the thieves and, guess what? they're ignoring everything and proceeding anyway. if i told you the details of what they've done in our particular case (JT knows), i think you would more fully understand my and his current attitude. scared? you bet i am.

christine  posted on  2007-09-25   12:40:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That the social security administration, or any other govt. agency would put out faulty data is a given.

I was going to leave this thread alone, but that ain't gonna happen when this kind of bullshit is being tossed around.

What proof do you have that ANY data from Social Security, or, for that matter, any other goverment agency, is faulty?!

Why would it need to be faulty when most Americans are just like you; absolute morons who have no clue as to what is actually going on? Who do not read, do not study, have no inkling of the law OR of case law from the so-called courts?

WHY WOULD IT BE NECCESSARY TO PUT OUT FAULTY DATA TO SUCH AS YOU?!

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2007-09-25   13:29:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The only reason they feel comfortable in forcing compliance is not because of the resistance of a few, but directly related to the compliance of the ill-informed masses.

The key to the distruction of America.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2007-09-25   13:32:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What proof do you have that ANY data from Social Security, or, for that matter, any other goverment agency, is faulty?!

The social security administration is leading my children to believe that their “contribution” will entitle them to benefits down the line. They and I know this is bullshit. That you fail to recognize this as a lie to keep their Ponzi scheme afloat adds to your buffoon status.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-09-25   13:37:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

we all have unique situations and obligations such as family, business partners, pets and others who are dependent on us. my point being, decisions of this nature cannot be made unilaterally. we must make decisions and realistic choices that won't put those to whom we have obligations in jeopardy.

Here is the difference, christine, between you and me.

I talk about what is right and wrong; you and Jethro talk about assets.

I talk about freedom; you and Jethro talk about holding on to what is yours, when NOTHING is yours; slaves can not own ANYTHING, and everything you list as assets, including your home, came to you as a benefit of 'their' system, through credit.

You TALK about obligations to your family, BUT, do you teach your family the nature of their slavery, and, why they are slaves? Or, do you encourage them to continue in the same manner that you are, cooperating with evil to maintain your lifestyle? Do you teach them about the establishment doctors and what they are doing to people? Do you teach them about nutrition and food, and how that relates to health and clear thinking? Cause if you are not doing these things, you should NEVER mention obligations to your family.

The easy solution (THAT is a lie!) is to think that picking up a gun will solve something; if you actually believe that, I suggest you spend a week or so in Baghdad. Cause that is what you are asking for.

I know it is difficult; I went through it. When I quit paying the SS tax, I was making monthly payments on equipment of $57,000 A MONTH, and, I was making the payments. Over the following ten years, as I cleansed myself, ALL of that went away as I learned, little by little, what was actually going on not only in America, but in the world.

And I had to hit rock bottom before I could begin to climb back up. That means, simply put, that I had to get rid of everything that I had that came to me as a benefit from 'their' system. I DID THAT! Everything.

And the biggest part of the problem within the United States is that the establishment toadies are just as ignorant of the law as you and Jethro are, and they DO NOT LIKE those who are not a part of the system that they worship.

And I left the United States, because as innieway said, man suposses, God disposses, and I know what is coming to America, and, it is well earned and deserved. Any people who turn their backs on God as America has done will suffer judgement, and that judgement will be the more harsh because of the blessings that God bestowed on America through His Law.

That being said, there will be a remenant in America, and my aim is to help that remenant to understand the myrid errors committed by Americans as they traded their birth right for a bowl of lentils (for reference, see the Bible). There are tens of thousands of people working to restore America; but they are doing it one individual at a time, christine, and are not engaged/wasting their time in opposition to a government that has largely lost its relavance on the world stage.

And, it is the loss of that relavance that makes that government so much more dangerous, because it means that they have almost nothing left to lose no matter what crimes they commit.

Will there be a confrontation with that government? Since that government has been preparing for such a confrontation for more than 30 years, I would say that probably there will be. Does that mean that I should now stop teaching and helping people to understand where we, as a people, went wrong? Not hardly. I do not want my people to repeat their stupid mistakes. But until they are led to the solutions, no one in America understands what needs to be done, and the first thing that needs to be done is for Americans to begin to understand the nature of contracts, cause they surely do not understand this subject today.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2007-09-25   14:00:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ping to #65.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-09-25   14:02:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The social security administration is leading my children to believe that their “contribution” will entitle them to benefits down the line.

???????????????????????? Why is that a lie?! Social Security is NOT GOING AWAY!!! Everyone will continue to make their con-tributions just like normal, and, there WILL be benefits paid.

The only difference, Jethro, is how big a benefit, and at what age that benefit will start. And that is a political question, and not up to the administrators of the Social Security system.

But just because the political part changes does not make anything about this a lie!

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2007-09-25   14:04:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Why is that a lie?! Social Security is NOT GOING AWAY!!! Everyone will continue to make their con-tributions just like normal, and, there WILL be benefits paid.

And Elvis is alive and well!!!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-09-25   14:07:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

QUESTION: Both Larry Becraft and Tommy Cryer are lawyers with BAR cards and SS#s. Why were they able to win? Why do some win and most don't?

They made compelling arguments about the IRS' unwillingness to answer simple, good faith questions.

Neither are permitted to offer complicated legal fiction or SCOTUS decisions, or the words of Thomas Jefferson or any of the things we discuss when educating people.

And, despite what I'm sure were the judges' worst efforts to sabotage their cases and confuse the juries, these lawyers won.

It's beginning to look as if all of the esoteric research and legal theories are not the answer in court, wouldn't you say? ;)

And. these arrogant know-it-all-assholes who berate any and all who don't worship their friggin brilliance (cough cough) are all people who have never tested their theories in a place that matters-a courtroom!

And, everyone I know who believed he was just going to march in there and explain it to the jury found the same thing-it wasn't allowed and the juries never heard it.

So, the trick is to put everything you want the jury to see in your correspondence to the IRS. The IRS will ignore it (of course-their mission is to collect money for the fed banksters) but you aren't writing it for their benefit.

So, if you ask the IRS (actually you're educating your jury) why the code says "There is hereby imposed on every person.....who makes a return....a tax". Where is the code section that reads "There is hereby imposed on the wages of every person who does not make a return....a tax"? In other words does the act of making a return impose the tax? If YES but I didn't file no tax is imposed, right? If NO then where is the code section that imposes a tax on persons who do not file? And, if the act of filing doesn't impose the tax then what is the purpose of the above code section? In other words, COULD YOU PLEASE SHOW ME THE LAW?"

These are the things that jurors who haven't spent a lifetime studying the greatest hoax of the twentieth century are asking themselves, and when they send notes to the judges and ask to see the law and receive notes that read, "You have all the information you need" (I say there's a law so take my word for it!)

Well,

This is why some stout hearted jurors serving on unstacked juries are freeing defendants for "tax crimes" more and more.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-09-25   14:30:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I hate it when the conversation deteriorates to the point where we tend to get smart assed, argue amongst ourselves and seem to ignore the circumstances of others, especially when none of us have the immediate solution to blatant tyranny that can be accomplished peacefully.

Ours is not a simple predicament because we're damned whether we comply with tyranny or resist it. And whenever we get down we need to remind ourselves of others coming before us that have also suffered the consequences of their actions on our behalf attempting to right the wrongs imposed by very evil people.

We, as a nation had been fortunate to enjoy the freedoms that we are having difficulty relinquishing to an asshole like Bush and the current administration. And what appears drastic today has existed all along in a lesser degree but we weren't the direct targets ... yet. Today we are the targets. To me, the most frustrating part of all of this is that nice, well intentioned people in many cases, carry out the dirty work for the despots in pure ignorance, unwilling to listen or in most cases powerless to do anything about it even after awareness sets in.

Without knowing your particular circumstances, Christine, I am able to imagine the sense of remorse that sets in when troublesome times attach themselves like super glue. Our numbers must increase before we quit being picked off one at a time.

"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins

noone222  posted on  2007-09-25   14:30:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

yeah, richard, we've taught our son all of this. he's got his own business and he's got problems now too because he listened to our patriot friend's BS. you act as if i haven't been there, done that. i have and let me tell you, i regret it now. further, we've been used and betrayed by some of these so called patriots whom we thought were principled and loyal friends. i've seen too many of them who are losers (and victims) who spend all their time and energy fighting the system and each other! and therefore never do anything productive in life.

i'm coming to the conclusion that a better idea might be for all of us to jump on the gravy train and attempt to crash the whole damn thing that way.

christine  posted on  2007-09-25   14:38:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And Elvis is alive and well!!!

"Dear Sir Or Madam,

Our records show that you paid 40% of your wages into Social Security for 38 years, and, you are now entitled to a benefits check of 32 Ameros a month. (About 78 cents)

Signed,

Pontius "Apu" Nahasapeemapetilon, IV.,

Social Security Benefits Case Officer"

Suuuure, my kids will work for an "on the books" employer for the entire lives to get in on that!

Such a deal!

LONG LIVE SOCIAL SECURITY!

(the guy who's never mistaken said it ain't going away)

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-09-25   14:39:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Sometimes it's not so much what we say to others that infuriates them, it's how we say it. The name calling and insults serve no constructive purpose. Telling someone that they will have to hit the bottom before they can lift themself out of the mire is another hard thing to consider, while I do think it's true.

"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins

noone222  posted on  2007-09-25   14:43:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

very well reasoned

christine  posted on  2007-09-25   14:45:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

the trick is to try to stay OUT of THEIR courts to begin with..but we know they'll come and grab you out of your driveway and take you there whenever they want to...and, for pete's sake, don't resist lest you want a beatin' or a tasin'.

christine  posted on  2007-09-25   14:51:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

i'm coming to the conclusion that a better idea might be for all of us to jump on the gravy train and attempt to crash the whole damn thing that way.

I'm there. The safest and best way to crash this mofo is to overload the system. My guess is that there is a govt. program for everyone, all one needs to do is apply. Even the act of applying bogs down the system. After having spent more than a dozen years mingling w/so called patriots, I've come to the conclusion that there aren't many Bill Gates-types among us. This level (or lack of) income allows for countless “entitlements”. Free government cheese? I’ll take a pound…hell make it five pounds, and pass the food stamps and rent voucher while you’re at it.

I recall a story from years ago, told to me by a rather burnt out hippy. He despised the system so much his idea was for everyone, everywhere to turn on every electrical device we own at the same time. His goal was to blow out the grid and collapse the beast with the sudden surge. Although somewhat off topic, I think the goal - and method - has validity.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-09-25   14:54:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Telling someone that they will have to hit the bottom before they can lift themself out of the mire is another hard thing to consider, while I do think it's true.

I'm convinced that there is no silver bullet in the law or anywhere else to slay the werewolf.

The system will have to collapse, the weak will perish and those who survive will have a 50-50 chance of living in a free system, or another despotic tyranny just like the old one.

If the solution is for Americans to study and learn the nature of contracts, then the solution may as well be, "The American people need to study and become fluent in Latin!"

Americans will fight and die (or sit the war out) based on a short sound bite slogan ("They hate us for our Bush!", or "Dishonor Before Death!") not on contracts or any other concept that they are incapable of grasping.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-09-25   14:56:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm sure your feelings are more than justified. This fight is difficult and filled with treachery and over zealous "patriot" know-nothings that tell others how to do things they themselves haven't done. And there is frustration because human weaknesses betray us when we least expect it.

"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins

noone222  posted on  2007-09-25   14:56:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

his idea was for everyone, everywhere to turn on every electrical device we own at the same time. His goal was to blow out the grid and collapse the beast with the sudden surge.

Ha hahaha ... when I was a kid in High School we tried a similar project by flushing all of the toilets in the building all at once ... I even threw in a trench coat ... we failed too.

"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins

noone222  posted on  2007-09-25   15:00:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Pontius "Apu" Nahasapeemapetilon, IV.,

Apu

Hilarious :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-09-25   15:01:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

the trick is to try to stay OUT of THEIR courts to begin with..but we know they'll come and grab you out of your driveway and take you there whenever they want to...and, for pete's sake, don't resist lest you want a beatin' or a tasin'.

As I've said before, they succeed in bringing no more than 50 criminal tax trials to fruition each year, or, about one per state.

I'm guessing that they don't prosecute that many now.

The system operates of 90% bluff, and because Irwin Schiff stressed that point he was repeatedly struck by lightning again and again.

I believe that the IRS/DOJ will concentrate on prosecuting their own more and more, because they can still get a conviction when the "criminal" is a low level govt employee. They can be required to file returns as a condition of employment, and if the govt must prosecute someone then let them cannibalize their own.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-09-25   15:02:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I went directly to flushing cherry bombs in unoccupied stalls :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-09-25   15:03:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

No fear of death or the ramifications of our actions when we're able to enjoy the protective juvenile laws ! God bless youth !

"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins

noone222  posted on  2007-09-25   15:05:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I recall a story from years ago, told to me by a rather burnt out hippy. He despised the system so much his idea was for everyone, everywhere to turn on every electrical device we own at the same time. His goal was to blow out the grid and collapse the beast with the sudden surge.

As an electrician let me assure him that it wouldn't work.

In order to have the desired effect we'd have to short the grid, not overload it.

There are ample overcurrent protective devices in the system. Every household is fed by a step down transformer with its own fuse. And, each branch circuit is fuse protected, as is every transmission-to-distribution substation.

The worst it would accomplish would be rolling brown or blackouts, which is what happens now when the demand exceeds the online grid capacity.

If you read up on electrical reclosers you'll understand why tree limbs or unfortunate squirrels across the wires don't burn the wires off the poles.

After three automatic resets (faster than we can blink) if the animal or branch isn't burned crisp and no longer shorting the system, the recloser locks that branch circuit out, and it will remain off until a service tech responds and locates the short, determines that it's no longer a problem and manually resets the recloser.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-09-25   15:21:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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