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Title: Grand Conspiracy Theories are Dumb
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URL Source: http://matthew.aqoul.com/2007/06/grand_conspiracy_theories_are.html
Published: Sep 21, 2007
Author: Matthew Hogan
Post Date: 2007-09-21 07:24:38 by YertleTurtle
Keywords: None
Views: 5372
Comments: 183
Acting alone, and for egotistical and political reasons, Lee Harvey Oswald shot President Kennedy, Texas Governor John Connally, and a Dallas police officer in November 1963. On September 11, 2001, disciples of Osama bin-Laden, a maverick Islamist theocrat, crashed themselves and hundreds of others into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon because they believed America to be their enemy, and Americans to be evil. Rumsfeld, the CIA, the Mossad, Unocal, and so forth, whatever their many sins, did not do it. Grand conspiracies are grand fantasies. A cabal of bankers do not run the world. The Council of Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission are simply debating societies/social clubs of otherwise very powerful people. The Illuminati did not, and do not, map out history. Things, especially large political things, actually are far more often what they seem to be. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion are fabrications about a world Jewish conspiracy concocted by Russian bigots in a mad time and place. The Masons are bored grownups playing kids' games. Of course, history-making conspiracies do happen. And can succeed. That's why I have entitled this "Grand Conspiracy Theories Are Dumb". Small conspiracies by alienated misfits are often quite successful at changing history. The assassination of Lincoln was a successful conspiracy of alienated outsiders. So too, incidentally, were the attacks of September 11, 2001. So was the assassination of an Austrian Archduke in Serbia in 1914 that started World War One. The pair of snipers who semi-paralyzed the capital of 21st Century America in 2002 were two homeless oddballs. But the idea of a ruling inner circle of humanity, which grandly orchestrates great events from behind the scenes, seems to excite more interest and attention. Even though such don't exist. What's the Attraction? So what then is the attraction of insider conspiracy theories ? I think it is not so much their fascination with great evil but rather their hopeful, if illusory, reassurance of widespread virtue and competence. Grand insider conspiracy theories give us hope when we feel powerless. Strangely enough, grand insider conspiracy theories reassuringly exaggerate the presence not of evil, but of goodness, humility, and efficiency in the human character. It may seem shocking at first but grand conspiracy theories actually require an enormous -- and frankly ludicrous -- amount of faith in selfless efficient human dedication to others and/or abstract causes. We need only consider the incredible amount of virtue imputed to people allegedly involved in grand conspiracies. Imagine, for example, if Jack Ruby really was induced by the mafia or some other nefarious cabal to eliminate Lee Harvey Oswald after Oswald was arrested,. (Rather than being motivated by his actual understandable but unbalanced rage over Kennedy's assassination.) Why would Ruby be willing to spend the rest of his life in prison, even face the death sentence, and not squeal or blab about his place in changing history? The mafia doesn't always command that level of silence from family members of the Don over a small heroin racket and a few years of jail time. If we look carefully we see that such alleged conspiratorial behavior presupposes one heck of a sense of integrity and dedication on the part of the participants in evil and deception. Not to mention also presupposing brilliantly effective and flawless coordination and timing among far-flung members of the conspiracy. But in reality people just aren't that clever, but it is comforting, even reassuring, to believe so. To accept grand conspiracy theories, one must honestly feel that there are large numbers of people willing to suffer, die, kill, as well as lose their wealth and reputation while keeping loyally silent, all in order to consciously protect the good name and position of some other power-mad or simply greedy individuals. And on top of that, in grand conspiracy theories, there are no uncontrolled unintended results of the actions of such people. What efficiency, what integrity one must believe humanity capable of! What loyalty! What crap! Street thugs typically cannot help bragging about some sadistic petty crime. To imagine great historical actors collaborating in self-sacrifice across generations and without direct credit or benefit to themselves, and without falling out in petty competition, is to give our species far more credit than it deserves. Indeed, if such conspiratorial forces actually can undertake and command such dedication and integrity, maybe the manipulators really do deserve to run the world! At least the stock market won't crash. Self-Righteous Indolence and Envy Enabled Conspiracy theories reassure us of the prevalence of virtue and comfort in the world in another paradoxical way: they appeal to our sense of self-righteousness and laziness. By making Evil the prerogative of small inner cabal of "them," the rest of us come across as relatively benign. Why look to ourselves to find and do the hard work of fixing the moral and intellectual failings that cause unnecessary ills? Why look to our own responsibility in the creation and perpetuation of wrong? We don't have to, we can just say that it's the [fill in the blank s.o.b.-parasite conspirators] doing it. No, not us, we are not helping it to happen. The s.o.b.'s are doing so in a manner beyond our control,beyond our poor power to add or detract. In serving this purpose, insider conspiracy theories also provide a cover for ignorant and bigoted envy and resentment. The villains of conspiracy theories are often simply people who are resented merely for being or appearing successful, admired, or wealthy. Bankers, businesspeople, "corporate America", Jews, Masons, etc. Human Motive Transparency Grand conspiracy theories also allow us to ignore the utter transparency of most human motives, good or ill. One actually doesn't need much of a crystal ball to discern personal ambitions, ideological aims, and manipulative tactics. There was nothing especially opaque about the motives and activities of such history-sweeping phenomena as Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. Or those of a banker like J.P Morgan, or those of oil companies. Now, of course, powerful people, movements, and institutions really do carry out manipulative deceptive hidden acts with nefarious agendas, and can do so with some success. They most certainly engage in recurrent dishonesty. As indeed most of us do from time to time. But as the more powerful are better organized and possess a further reach, they can pull off real conspiratorial manipulations here and there from time to time. The ferreting out of these sins is the real hard labor of life and intellect. Such ferreting out is an ever-present challenge for the attuned citizen. But all that is no excuse for denying that things really are more often what they seem to be, and perhaps a lot less. Grand manipulations are usually found out fairly quickly. The Gulf of Tonkin Incident, the French-British-Israeli pre-collaboration in the 1956 Suez War, the French bombing of the Greenpeace ship in New Zealand, the American role in the overthrow and death of Congolese leader Patrice Lumumba etc. are but a few examples of the difficulty of secrecy in a world where things are usually obvious and people typically blab. Simple Rules to Remember Never attribute to evil what you can to stupidity and apathy. Never attribute to idealism and selfless determination what you can to ego, greed, and vanity. Never assume evil power-mad people are so dedicated and clever that they will keep secret their aims and role in affecting history. Nor are they likely to succeed at efforts like those without overt challenge, embarrassing exposure, and multiple public failures born of inefficiency, competition, transparency and ego. Perhaps the most important fact to remember is that it is CONSPIRACY THEORISTS who have carried out the worst evils. Hitlerism was based on the fantasy of a conspiratorial nature of Bolshevism , capitalism, and democracy behind which were the Jews. Conspiracy theorists plunged the world into its worst war and sent millions to crematoria. Conspiracy theories explain events in a way that reassures us that people are basically good -- so good in fact that even the authors of evil turn up amazingly selfless and dedicated. They paint a world where everything works efficiently. These provide us with comfort instead of truth, and open the door to far far greater evils in the real world than the conspiracy theories complain of.
Poster Comment: The psychology of the conspiracist is thus: "I am right and you are not only wrong, you are evil, so ultimately it is okay to murder you." In the Soviet Union, since Communism does not work, scapegoats had to be found. Of course, it was a "conspiracy" behind all of the failures. Hundreds of thousands of innocent people were convicted as "wreckers" and shot or imprisoned for 25 years. This is what the belief in impossible conspiracies ultimately leads to.
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#1. To: YertleTurtle (#0)
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So Turtle person, there is a conspiracy to use conspiracies, eh? While people may not like the word conspiracy in particular, the conspiracy to control and manipulate how people see things in society is what goes on in Washington, DC every day of the week. The fact that you don’t see this speaks to either willful ignorance, or a deliberate effort to make yourself look dopey. Actually both are possible.
Turtle person: Is the posting of this tired, old trite screed the best you can do? Ignorance can be fixed by information, but stupid is permanent. Dopeyness might be permanent, too.
Well, I'm waiting to see if the economy crashes today, because it was posted that there was a huge investment in put options that would only be profitable if the economy tanks. It's now the 21st, Friday, and apparently it's not happening yet. Keep me in the loop folks if the world goes to hell in a hand basket.
Dying for old bastards, and their old money, isn't my idea of freedom.
Personally, I think is more significant that today's the prayer of Kol Nidre.
Was not Nazism itself a grand conspiracy? I take it you don't believe it existed, or at least that it was all the work of one man, Hitler, and maybe a small group of coconspirators?
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Dollars to doughnuts Mr. Hogan is part and parcel of one the greatest conspiracies of all time and is not aware of it. If by chance Hogan accepts or even recognizes any organized religion, he is in fact part of a conspiracy.
wow, you found the one other person in America who believes that!
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Are you by chance inferring that just perhaps Oswald discussed the assassination with another person???? That would negate the entire Warren Report?????
Conspiracy theories are often like a quest for the Head of Vecna. ... but there was nevertheless a Cult of Vecna.
Only a zionist would be demented enough to suggest that 19 people supposedly flying planes into buildings was not a "conspiracy."
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Putting it another way, only zionists would suggest that what happened on 9/11/01 was not the result of a conspiracy. There's only one reasonable explanation for your behavior: 9/11/01 was a zionist job and now you're a part of it.
We know already, Yertle - it's not a conspiracy - to you, or to anyone else who is in on it. I suggest you cleave yourself away from the conspiracy.
to believe otherwise is total denial and so ridiculous that it floors me to see anyone advance that "conspiracy" theory.
Would you like lox on that?
Okay, I get it now. You prop up your ailing ego by attention whoring this way. You embrace silly shit and sit back and feel important after swatting a beehive. You must have a serious self esteem deficit. In any case, I'm not taking the bait anymore after this ridiculous shit.
That really explains the rabid self-righteousness of the typical conspiracy theorist.
The mind of your typical conspiracist is closed tighter than a clam. When everyone believes in impossible conspiracies, two things happen: either they give up and became fatalistic, such as Arab Muslims do in relation to Israel ("We just can't beat those damn Jews with their 140 IQs"), because they can't defeat them, or if they can get to the Evil (that's Evil with a capital E) then they slaughter them. As I pointed out before, Solzetnitsyn, in The Gulag Archipelago, pointed out hundreds of thousands of innocent people were scapegoated, imprisoned and murdered as part of a non-existent "wrecker" conspiracy, just as today there is a non-existent conspiracy of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al, that people are convinced really does exist. These people are not rational, they are not even exactly sane, and they are as deluded as can be. Yet they will spend their lives trying to prove their beliefs, and they going to end up like those nuts who've spent the last 45 years trying to prove there were three shooters triangulating on Kennedy. Conspiracists have poisioned minds and I feel sorry for them.
"He is a very shallow critic who cannot see an eternal rebel in the heart of a conservative." - G.K. Chesterton
smootch!
" Junk is the ideal product... the ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy." - William S Burroughs
Conspiracists have poisioned minds and I feel sorry for them. They sure are entertaining though.
Asking questions and searching for answers is so arrogant! What's wrong with you? Try to be more like the leader of the "free" world: Talk about a conspiracy! Mandela's dead! Because Saddam killed them all.
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el nolo kidre carbonium, et nichtum
" Junk is the ideal product... the ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy." - William S Burroughs
HOLY SHIT... Nothing happened today when that dude's stock options failed to turn a profit. Remember the guy, that sole investor who was banking on the American Economy taking a shit today, who risked millions, in order to turn billions in profit if the economy died today? Well it didn't fucking happen now did it? I'm a little fucking angry that NOBODY has raised this topic on any thread having to do with that little bit of fear mongering. I love a good conspiracy, but I'm beginning to get tired of waiting for the world to end. Today was supposed to be the meltdown everyone was screaming about, and it didn't happen at all. Too bad. I was actually prepared for it. Oh well, maybe next time someone shouts the sky is falling, they might be right. Right???
Dying for old bastards, and their old money, isn't my idea of freedom.
motherless children got
a hard time
" Junk is the ideal product... the ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy." - William S Burroughs
BREAKING NEWS: The horrific predictions of doom & gloomers NEVER happen.
Everything you say is a lie.
" Junk is the ideal product... the ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy." - William S Burroughs
You're a wonderful person and a valuable member of society.
Do you believe the government explaination of Waco or the conspiracy theorists as Clinton called us? Janet Reno confronts Waco's bitter legacy.(government confrontation with Branch Davidians inspires anti-government groups and conspiracy theorists) From: Newsweek Date: May 15, 1995 Author: Morganthau, Tom More Conspiracy theories are growing surrounding the government's handling of the siege of Branch Davidians led by David Koresh. The botched raid resulted in the death of 85 people, including 25 children. The mishandling has been investigated and officially the deaths are considered mass suicide. In Newark, NJ., last week, Attorney General Janet Reno chose an audience of federal law-enforcement officers to deliver a speech on a topic that obviously bothers her - the presumed connection between the Oklahoma city bombing and the deaths of 85 Branch Davidians outside Waco, Texas, two years earlier. Speaking "from the heart," Reno lashed out at those who seek to find "a moral equivalency" between the two events. "Such reckless comparisons are despicable and out of bounds, as far as I am concerned," she said. "It is unfair, it is unreasonable, it is a lie, to spread the poison that the government was responsible at Waco for the murder of innocents."
It will need updating after the Bush/Cheney Regime is done bleeding America's economy.
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How darling of you...
" Junk is the ideal product... the ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy." - William S Burroughs
Done, just cross out housing and write in "security guard - foreign".
" Junk is the ideal product... the ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy." - William S Burroughs
Ah, but when they do, they'll be the first to tell you I told you so. Good grief. I don't give a fuck anymore about any of this shit. Politicians come and go, and nothing fucking changes in this country. Nobody gives a fuck about anyone, and why? Because of shit like this. At every turn, there's a horrible event about to happen, and when it doesn't, there's plenty of assurance that there will be. I think I'm going to take a major sabbatical from this forum until one of two things happens. We actually have a catastrophe, or people start to figure out that maybe life isn't always suffering and hostility. Later all, I'm off for a month, Christine, please e-mail me at your leisure should the world end, and I not be awake for it.
Dying for old bastards, and their old money, isn't my idea of freedom.
Good grief. I don't give a fuck anymore about any of this shit. Definitely a step in the right direction. At every turn, there's a horrible event about to happen, and when it doesn't, there's plenty of assurance that there will be. Predictions of doom & gloom never materialize. Ever. But the doom & gloom crowd doesn't let that stop them from wallowing in their negative garbage.
To: All, *You Gotta Be Shitting Me* HOLY SHIT... Nothing happened today when that dude's stock options failed to turn a profit. Remember the guy, that sole investor who was banking on the American Economy taking a shit today, who risked millions, in order to turn billions in profit if the economy died today? Well it didn't fucking happen now did it? I'm a little fucking angry that NOBODY has raised this topic on any thread having to do with that little bit of fear mongering. Why isn't anyone responding to these comments?
We are still trying to find the B-52 that someone stole a missile from. So dont get pushy or uppity.
Do a cute little song or something first, we'll see how it goes from there.
" Junk is the ideal product... the ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy." - William S Burroughs
Tommy The Mad Artist is clearly catching on to the fraudulent predictions constantly made by the-sky-is-falling crowd and he's asking for some answers. But the doom & gloomers have none to offer.
Tommy's comments are way off the demented zionist topic. The whole Euro-market "put" BS was debunked over a week ago on LF, anyway.
What's the matter, can't you address Tommy The Mad Artist's comments?
Seems to me like he's waking up to the fact that doom & gloomers are full of shit. All BS, all the time.
I'd rather slap you around. Are you afraid of Tommy, too? Not my problem.
" Junk is the ideal product... the ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy." - William S Burroughs
You get off on abusing posters by using the zionist's 9/11/01 inside job as a foil? What a sick pathetic and disgusting pair of zionists you and Yertle make.
i will, tommy, unless they get me first. :P
And this grand pronouncement means what? Bush and you are the only gloomers I know, so scared of a few ragheads that you check under your bed at night. Shameful.
Let me know when that happens, ok?
Abusing posters? I'm doing them a favor by pointing out the fraudulent claims of paranoid doom & gloom conspiracy theorists who live for bad news and pessimism.
Can't you stay on topic, disgusting zionist clown? The stock bet story came out before the fed went into action and puts are not bearish anyway.
Sink has been missing for a few days. Rumors have it that he was at the Whitehouse for upgrade training. (and to be fitted with new kneepads).
Check my posts and you'll see that I don't take the threat of terrorism very seriously.
you bet
" Junk is the ideal product... the ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy." - William S Burroughs
what's your ynet name?
" Junk is the ideal product... the ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy." - William S Burroughs
It's not just one story it's EVERY IDIOTIC PREDICTION of disaster that's really the issue. None of the horrific predictions from the doom & gloom crowd ever happen. That is ultimately the big picture here.
You dont? Good heavens. If you are not afraid of a few ragheads, just what is that seems to motivate you to be such a lackey for the government?
I have no answer to your baseless crap.
Are you talking about the gloom and doomers who predicted that Iraq would be a quagmire and a disaster?
Bunch of internet bums ... grand jury --- opium den ! ~ byeltsin
An industrious person would have an answer, you idiot.
" Junk is the ideal product... the ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy." - William S Burroughs
I'm talking about the people constantly predicting economic destruction, a New World Order, "false flag" terrorism, an attack on Iran, forced microchipping, the North American Union and other such stupid, laughable garbage.
Baseless...crap??? Is that any way to participate in a civil discussion? By the way, would you read my number 6 post on this thread and give me your opinion as a Catholic? No bad language now.
That's right.
Open your eyes, nitwit, I already told you the article was written before the fed busted its ass in making moves to prop up the market.
Are you talking about the gloom and doomers who said Bush's tax cuts would eventually result in a credit crises?
Bunch of internet bums ... grand jury --- opium den ! ~ byeltsin
Prop it up, huh? Sounds like you're in the doom & gloom crowd. You're eagerly anticipating a massive economic collapse aren't you? Well, you won't get it.
If the Iraqis throw some flowers at G.I.s, the assholes Feith and Wolfowitz get their mugs splashed across New York Times captioned "We Told You So", would that be good enough saving of face to disengage from Iraq?
" Junk is the ideal product... the ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy." - William S Burroughs
Are you talking about the gloom and doom crowd that has been saying that we are poised for a housing market collapse?
Bunch of internet bums ... grand jury --- opium den ! ~ byeltsin
I told you who I'm talking about.
Are you talking about the gloom and doom crowd that was saying we were due for a subprime mortgage meltdown?
Bunch of internet bums ... grand jury --- opium den ! ~ byeltsin
I don't give a shit about Iraq.
That's right. You care to tell us how you feel about my number 6 post here???? I think most would enjoy your assessment as a Catholic.
OK, I understand. You need to cherry pick what the gloom and doom crowd says. A lot of it seems to be correct and you don't want to deal with that. Thank you for sharing this.
Bunch of internet bums ... grand jury --- opium den ! ~ byeltsin
I'm in the "you're an idiot" crowd. You're in the "conveniently off-topic" crowd. Get it right, troll.
If I ever become Catholic I'll get back to ya.
You hate the Virgin Mary don't you.
Bunch of internet bums ... grand jury --- opium den ! ~ byeltsin
You're in the "conveniently off-topic" crowd. Oh, come on. You expecting a massive economic crash, aren't you?
OK, lets pretend your are Jewish then, what do you think about my number 6, you seem to be wanting to ignore answering.
You're asking me for my market sentiment? LOL, what a pathetic clown you are. You zionists sure expect a lot for only contributing crap in everything you do.
Are you Jewish? I bet it's hard to get into a co-op being a Jewish Negro. Is that why you are so hostile?
Bunch of internet bums ... grand jury --- opium den ! ~ byeltsin
Absolutely nothing and I'm not going to think about it either.
Okay, nevermind.
I bet thinking makes your brain overheat.
Bunch of internet bums ... grand jury --- opium den ! ~ byeltsin
Clean is what could be described as a religious zealot, that is why he refuses to voice an opinion on my number 6. Typical.
So I'm a religious zealot who never posts anything about religion.
Yes, posting about religion would give you away and you are too clever for that.
Bunch of internet bums ... grand jury --- opium den ! ~ byeltsin
I'm not interested in posting about religion since I'm not religious.
Is that why you hate the Virgin Mary?
Bunch of internet bums ... grand jury --- opium den ! ~ byeltsin
Many zionists are non-religious, and beyond that I think it's possible to discuss the zionist 9/11 inside job cover-up without having a referendum on the fundamental nature of all organized religion.
Remember you PM: Hello, I hate the Virgin Mary and I am dating myself. And I don't care if I go blind from doing it. Signed, Mr. Clean the Negro Troll
Bunch of internet bums ... grand jury --- opium den ! ~ byeltsin
You're going to stay safely off-topic, I see.
Hey, don't leave out "Next-Generation Nazism!" (You know, the Bush Cabal stuff.)
Portland, OR is still here as well.
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
This article is another example of the constipated minds of the nonthinking class. It's sad such people have so little ability to think, imagine and draw conclusions. Fortunately, humankind has had those of us who don't automatically believe whatever line of shit we're being told by those in power. The pathology of government loyalists is one that is interesting. What compels a person to slavishly defend the most outrageous lies by the government? The inability to reason and an intense emotional need to identify with authority are the likely culprits.
It's safe, easy and it often come with a monitary bonus.
You know nothing about 9/11 Turtle except what the stupid Jews want you to hear about it. You buy it all hook line and sinker becasue you are stupid. Stop being stupid, get smart and start thinking for yourself.
God is always good!
I believe that most of that is government propaganda put out there for the purpose of ultimately controlling the masses. You know, create the problem then create the supposed solution (the Hegelian Dialectic). The Hegelian dialectic is the framework for guiding our thoughts and actions into conflicts that lead us to a predetermined solution. If we do not understand how the Hegelian dialectic shapes our perceptions of the world, then we do not know how we are helping to implement the vision for the future. Hegel's dialectic is the tool which manipulates us into a frenzied circular pattern of thought and action. Every time we fight for or defend against an ideology we are playing a necessary role in Marx and Engels' grand design to advance humanity into a dictatorship of the proletariat. The synthetic Hegelian solution to all these conflicts can't be introduced unless we all take a side that will advance the agenda. The Marxist's global agenda is moving along at breakneck speed. The only way to stop land grabs, privacy invasions, expanded domestic police powers, insane wars against inanimate objects (and transient verbs), covert actions, and outright assaults on individual liberty, is to step outside the dialectic. Only then can we be released from the limitations of controlled and guided thought. When we understand what motivated Hegel, we can see his influence on all of our destinies. Then we become real players in the very real game that has been going on for at least 224 years. Hegelian conflicts steer every political arena on the planet, from the United Nations to the major American political parties, all the way down to local school boards and community councils. Dialogues and consensus-building are primary tools of the dialectic, and terror and intimidation are also acceptable formats for obtaining the goal.
That doesn't really explain the conspiracy theories that are never proven nor the doom & gloom predictions that never come to pass. Conspiracy theories and doom & gloom are for suckers. Period.
Fortunately, humankind has had those of us who don't automatically believe whatever line of shit we're being told by those in power. well said
Let me ask you something, do you believe the Warren Commission's Report on the Kennedy Assiassination?
I never read it but I'm inclined to believe there is probably more to the story than whatever the report says. BUT... just because there may be more to the story doesn't equal some dark conspiracy.
You obviously know nothing of the Jesuit Temporal Coadjutors. It has been alleged that even members of this site secretly belong to the organization.
Bunch of internet bums ... grand jury --- opium den ! ~ byeltsin
Obviously.
hahahaha!!!
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What's the nexus between "doom and gloom" and a proper investigation of 9/11? Let's just say I missed the "logic" behind that zionist-empathic smear. Is it too much trouble to try the zionists who planned and executed the 9/11 zionist inside job, in your opinion?
what's the definition of conspiracy? you got a dictionary?
What are the names of the "zionists who planned and executed the 9/11 zionist inside job?
People always choose as "conspirators" people they don't like, who are richer and more powerful than they are. That's one of the reasons I believe True Believers are motivated in part by envy. They never choose someone they like or someone who is considered harmless. You'll never see anyone claiming John Wayne or Clint Eastwood or Bruce Willis in involved in a conspiracy. Or, for that matter, Richard Simmons or Liberace.
"He is a very shallow critic who cannot see an eternal rebel in the heart of a conservative." - G.K. Chesterton
I agree particularly as it relates to the Jew haters.
You'll never see anyone claiming John Wayne or Clint Eastwood or Bruce Willis in involved in a conspiracy. Or, for that matter, Richard Simmons or Liberace. lol. boy, is that a stretch of supposed reasoning.
Kristol, Wurmser, Feith, Chernoff, Perle, Wolfowicz, Rumsfeld, Zakheim, Bush I, Bush II, Jeb Bush, Cheney,
"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins
LOL! Boy are you barking up the wrong tree.. your logic is very very flawed..
Oh yeah, of course. [eye roll]
Mister Clean: I agree particularly as it relates to the Jew haters. There you go again - your veil is slipping. Btw, why would you consider Jews enviable? Oh my...now I get it... I sense you yearn for the good old days of yore - say around 1917 Russia - when a thought crime against Jews was a capital offence. Sigh...those were the good old days, yes, Comrade Clean? Unfortunately for you and your ilk you are living in 2007 and anyone residing in the USA at the present time (though the ADL is trying desperately to change this situation) can love, hate, like, ignore any person, any group they please as long as they do not "act" on those emotions and break the law. Americans have certain protected freedoms like freedom of association and freedom of speech. And none of these freedoms were spawned from "envy." But on the subject of "hate" I noticed that you have some experience in that department especially as it pertains to Muslims. I recall there was some rather nasty remarks you made about Muslim immigrants in France. Ha! "Mr. Clean" indeed.
What remarks are you talking about?
Ariel Sharon's out of commission, so have you got any better candidate to start with other than Bibi "(9/11) was very good" Netanyahu, who on 9/11 was apparently selflessly interfacing with visitors invited from NY and NJ to the grounds of the latest incarnation of the King David Hotel?
I KNEW I Shouldn't have gone to the Knights of Columbus to swim with my Catholic friend when I was 12...I blew my cover ;-)
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition There cannot be a conspiracy when everyone knows about it. Conspiracies are hatched, executed, and kept in private. Also, there cannot be a conspiracy when the activity is a repeated process. At that point, it becomes "business as usual" or just "business" ...
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
The best conspiracies are those out in the open, that appear in the National Enquirer, and are regulary the butt of jokes and ridicule. They are secrets with "eyes wide shut".
So 19 Arabs didn't conspire to fly planes into WTC? No conspiracies at all, eh? Let them. Dare them.
" Junk is the ideal product... the ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy." - William S Burroughs
I always hoped to get invited to events involving food or swimming, but they wised up to my shenanigans years before I did.
" Junk is the ideal product... the ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy." - William S Burroughs
I bet there were more than 19, but I doubt they were the same as the 19 often mentioned, as at least some of the often mentioned 19 are still alive, as reported by the BBC and other news agencies. It was conceived, hatched, plotted, and carried out in secret. Assuming the official story is true, 19 Arab hijackers conspired to make it happen and pulled it off - going so far as to even keep the passengers on those planes in the dark as to their true intentions. That is as true a conspiracy as one can ever hope to get to. If they had taken out an ad in the New York Times, it would not have been a true conspiracy as the secrecy aspect would not be there. If Arab hijackers routinely took control of airplanes and flew them into buildings, it would not be a conspiracy, but "business as usual" and thus something to be expected as it would then be out in the open. Everyone would know "Arabs fly planes into buildings" - and that would be that. Just how I see it...
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
Language is a virus from outer space!
" Junk is the ideal product... the ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy." - William S Burroughs
The United States was born of a conspiracy against the king of England. We're all bloody!
" Junk is the ideal product... the ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy." - William S Burroughs
Jews have been claiming the Protocols were "anti-Semitic forgeries" from the moment they came out. Methinks they doth protest too much. No less a person than Henry Ford, when asked about whether the Protocols were real, or authentic, said this:
The Zapruder film clearly shows Kennedy's head going backwards when he was shot. Not forwards. Please explain how Oswald, firing from the rear of Kennedy, could fire a magic bullet that made Kennedy's head fall towards him at the moment of impact, instead of away from him in the direction that the bullet was traveling?
We will be bloody once again as Peak Everything starts to hit! One philosophy that works for me in regards to 'conspiracy theories' is this: People just aren't bright enough to keep things quiet for that long for the most part. They love to boast about things. Thus, they get outed. Law enforcement loves these kinds of people.
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
I am amazed at the number of people who adopt the governmental or official view, routinely, but most of them are simply woefully ignorant. Their condition could be cured if you could ever get them to sit down and pay attention long enough to actually see what has happened and is happening. But far more interesting are these passionate wannabe Amazing Randi's, guys who are sworn like the Knights of Templar to deny each and every shred of evidence that their government sponsored view is a LIE. They flit from message board to message board proclaiming their deeply held belief in their wrongly perceived logical prowess and denying any fact which does not fit their tightly constrictive world. In a word, they are literally unimaginative. The truth is that such people tend to be authoritarians who think there's a right way and a wrong way to do everything from folding towels to putting dishes in the dishwasher, and will tell you and everyone else so, if you'll only listen. They envy authority, and identify with it like a jailhouse trusty, since they seldom have any real authority over anyone else. Out of their impotence is born their zeal to identify with the power. I find their constant cacaphony of cock suckiness utterly amusing. They can blow me, but not literally.
This is key. There's ALWAYS a conspiracy when anything like 9-11 takes place. The question is: WHICH conspiracy best fits the facts? We find out by testing facts against theories of the crime. As Law & Order frequently shows, the detectives form theories of a case, and as they test the evidence against the theory, they evolve their understanding. Eventually, they may disprove several good theories on the way to the actual theory that holds up. There has never been a good investigation of 9-11. The commission, appointed by the president, approved by a Republican controlled congress, run by a Bush member of the National Security team on 9-11, and denied access to many things, was a whitewash.
Massive instant brain damage causes the muscles to convulse. Since the back muscles are far stronger than the chest muscules, the head is pulled back. This was explained 45 years ago...unless one believes a tiny bullet, traveling at thousands of feet a second, can zip through a person's head and brain and knock their head backward. To that bullet, Kennedy's head wasn't even there. It'd be like expecting a bullet to knock a piece of Jello backward. It would go right through it. Ever see the opening scene in "Saving Private Ryan"? In the Higgins boat? There is one part where one soldier is standing behind another, and a machine gun bullet goes in the first's forehead, exits the back of his head, and goes through the forehead of the guy behind him. That's pretty accurate, except their heads would have exploded, which was not shown. In each case, their heads would also have gone backsward, from the muscle convulsions. Had the bullet hit them from behind, their heads still would have gone backwards, not fowards.
"He is a very shallow critic who cannot see an eternal rebel in the heart of a conservative." - G.K. Chesterton
TheStateInc claims that when JFK was shot from behind, his head moved forward only as a natural reflex. Muscles are more powerful than bullets don't ya' know. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition If you've got some proof you should do something about it.
Have you got a problem with me re-iterating on a continuing basis that 9/11 was a zionist inside job, or is that "anti-semitic?"
I don't have a problem with idiocy unless it effects me personally. Yours doesn't so by all means carry on.
That's pretty accurate, except their heads would have exploded, which was not shown. In each case, their heads would also have gone backsward, from the muscle convulsions. Had the bullet hit them from behind, their heads still would have gone backwards, not fowards Wrong. When you shoot a person in the head, through the brain, there are no muscle contractions. The muscle function STOPS, and the body drops like a rock, except the extent to which it is acted upon by the energy of the bullet load. The shot that killed JFK came from the front. We know this because we understand geometry and physics. When the last bullet hit him from the front, it struck his skull and knocked the head back upon that contact, followed by it taking the top of his head off by the load's subsequent spread.
That's zionism for you. I'm glad it bothers you. Expect much more.
Your idiocy does not bother me at all.
Well, my zionist friend, it's only idiotic if I'm wrong.
You are wrong and I'm not your friend.
But every zionist says that. ... which makes being right positively enjoyable, I don't mind telling you, my professed zionist non-friend.
What a tactless, impolite thing to say! I notice you don't say you're not a Zionist.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Who do you suggest I go to first, the Log Cabin Republicans?
He is crabby from all the sand in his teeth. Living with one's head stuck in the sand of denial like some human ostrich is actually a miserable existance for bubbas like this one. ;-D
Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.
That wouldn't be hard. I would be surprised if there are enough of those guys to even fill up an average settler's tiny little dirt floor log dwelling.
Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.
All suggestions will be entertained.
astute observation!
You should take your information to someone who will take it seriously. Good luck.
If Zionist means to support the existence of the state of Israel then I most definitely am a Zionist.
Can't think of one authority who would honestly evaluate it? Me neither. You have no idea how much I cherish this leverage.
Me neither. There's always Alex Jones and the "Loose Change" boys. Maybe you could be interviewed for the final cut... if they ever finish it.
I dont know anyone who doesnt..
Good suggestion, I'm getting right on it, zionist cover-up clown. You have no idea how fun it is to be so uniquely right and yet be able to maintain the position by simply poking fun of lying zionist cover-up retards on the internet.
Turtle Poster. Did you receive your medical training at the CIA? Perhaps the Arlen Spector School of Medicine?
You shouldn't take yourself so seriously but I realize that you "truthers" can't help it.
No, they can't, and no matter how much I or anyone else explains how the belief in impossible conspiracies leads to truly evil behavior, and genocide, none can open their brains just a tiny little crack to even consider it.
"He is a very shallow critic who cannot see an eternal rebel in the heart of a conservative." - G.K. Chesterton
It's a cult. I'm going to start referring to it as the 9/11 "truth" cult.
Yes, you're absolutely right. Given the acute times we live in a fantasy world of government spewed propaganda is the only way to go. Now, pardon me while I turn this frown upside down and hop into your illusion :)
It's a serious topic. I suppose you don't like being right, especially when the topic is so important, but I enjoy it immensely, especially when I can freely insult zionist lunatics for their deceptive, murderous and constantly-lying ways.
No, it's an outlandish conspiracy theory that has achieved a cult following. Oh, and it will never be proven.
Mister Clean: If Zionist means to support the existence of the state of Israel then I most definitely am a Zionist. The following article by a Northwestern U professor provides a dispassionate description, couched in factual history together with Biblical references, regarding the aims and beliefs of Zionists/Zionism. Does the description fit you, Mr. Clean? http://www.counterpunch.o rg/shahid05212007.html "Zionism and the Doctrine of Election"
I don't care.
That's the most utter bullshit I've read in a very long time.
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I don't care. You weren't so dispassionate about stating your support of Israel. In fact, besides raw capitalism, it's the only other time you've shown any real interest in anything on this 4um. How are your plans for leaving America?
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Sure, psychotic clown. What's your best alleged debunk for yellow-hot "molten metal" being evidence of pre-planted redox charges? Same ludicrous one as NISTs? Will you refer me to the alleged picture of "molten aluminum" glowing yellow- hot provided by the cards at Popular Mechanics, or to zionist clown Steven Chastain's page where he mixes two different ovens with two different molten metals and calls them all molten aluminum pictures? Perhaps you'll point to the youtube where some other zionist clown burns thermite and claims he made it out of aluminum and gypsum board, or maybe you'll show me the other "debunker"- linked alleged "glowing yellow aluminum" photos at wtc7lies, including other miscaptiond and/or color- altered photos where aluminum is supposedly heated to yellow hot. All I can say if you do, is where's that zionist psychotically-inspired refractory-brick-insulated aluminum-melting oven hiding inside that tower, spilling out all that overheated over-heavy glowing-yellow "aluminum"-sic stuff? Must suck when chemistry lets you down like that. Fan of Jerome Hauer? I have an odd copy of a little mis-captioned and correspondingly rigged up photo of alleged wtc7 damage and he apparently had no trouble tolerating it or a "copyright nypd" label upon it. But wait, seems there's another Giuliani guy, Kerik, who's in the legal doghouse for, ironically enough, some unreported structural alterations. How'd that happen, with him being Giuliani's (the zionist darling) right-hand guy once?
I have absolutely no interest in trying to debunk your conspiratorial beliefs. It's a waste of time.
Zionists absolutely hate taking responsibility for their acts. Hence the constant lying and false-flags. Take you, for example, a vicious, yet pathetic and laughable, lying murderous cover-up clown who is trying with no luck to play sane and unbiased on the internet, fully aware the goverment and mainstream media agree with you, yet still unsatisfied. Must be dizzying.
If what is usually discussed here on 4Um offends or bores you, you know where the door is.
Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.
Debating kook conspiracy beliefs with kooks is definitely a waste of time.
In fact, besides raw capitalism, it's the only other time you've shown any real interest in anything on this 4um. Unqualified support/defense of Israel, globalism, and an authoritarian central gub'ment are central to the neozio's docterine. It's little wonder that those are the main subjects of interest to Mr. Clean. From the horse's mouth: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/000tzmlw .asp "The Neo-Conservative Persuation" ...One of these policies, most visible and controversial, is cutting tax rates in order to stimulate steady economic growth... ...The cost of this emphasis on economic growth has been an attitude toward public finance that is far less risk averse than is the case among more traditional conservatives. Neocons would prefer not to have large budget deficits, but it is in the nature of democracy--because it seems to be in the nature of human nature--that political demagogy will frequently result in economic recklessness, so that one sometimes must shoulder budgetary deficits as the cost (temporary, one hopes) of pursuing economic growth.... ...Neocons do not feel that kind of alarm or anxiety about the growth of the state in the past century, seeing it as natural, indeed inevitable. People have always preferred strong government to weak government, although they certainly have no liking for anything that smacks of overly intrusive government.... ...Finally, for a great power, the "national interest" is not a geographical term, except for fairly prosaic matters like trade and environmental regulation.... ....Barring extraordinary events, the United States will always feel obliged to defend, if possible, a democratic nation under attack from nondemocratic forces, external or internal. That is why we feel it necessary to defend Israel today, when its survival is threatened. No complicated geopolitical calculations of national interest are necessary... ...Behind all this is a fact: the incredible military superiority of the United States vis-à-vis the nations of the rest of the world, in any imaginable combination...And it is a fact that if you have the kind of power we now have, either you will find opportunities to use it, or the world will discover them for you...
Wiki on Bernie: "Critics state that Giuliani showed consistently poor judgment in promoting the career of Bernard Kerik, who started out as a New York Police Department detective driving for his campaign, then became the city's Correction Commissioner and later police commissioner and a founder of Giuliani Partners. Giuliani then pushed President Bush to nominate Kerik to be secretary of Homeland Security, at which point multiple scandals derailed the nomination and Kerik's career; subsequently Kerik pled guilty to corruption charges dating from his Corrections days.[8] In March of 2007, The New York Times reported that Kerik was likely to also be indicted for tax fraud and illegal eavesdropping, and also disclosed that Giuliani had testified under oath in April 2006 that he had in fact been briefed on Kerik's mob links in 2000 52; prior to his appointment of Kerik as Corrections Commissioner. Giuliani had previously denied knowing of these connections until years later." This "corruption charges" thing, do you think that's like saying Bernie was in on some sort of (gulp) a "conspiracy?" Which authority figure does it take, again, to bring the conspiracy out of theoretical territory? The Loose Change guys? Oh haha, you funny zionist clown, it's all a joke to you.
Some of wiki, on Jerry: "Hauer joined the Office of Emergency Management (OEM) in New York in 1996. He was able to raise funds from New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani for vaccine development against the West Nile virus. The next year the virus appeared in the city. Hauer organized a conference for experts and press called Reporting on Weapons of Mass Destruction52;Responsibility, Reliability, Readiness. on July 26, 1999 in New York. At the same time he lead the West Nile fumigation operation in New York. In 2002 some drafts of legislation for mandatory vaccination surfaced. It was reported Hauer was the author of that policy. Hauer was in the midst of designing rules of health administration for his local, urban, densely populated area. The results looked rather drastic in view of the fact that no crisis existed, even if expert recommendations for any real epidemic are similar to this: The Public Health Authority may isolate or quarantine ... persons who are unable or unwilling for reasons of health, religion or conscience to undergo vaccination ... or treatment. Hauer had several connections to the Red Cross in his OEM phase and was assisting in erecting a new OEM headquarters nicknamed "the bunker" which was located on the 23rd floor of building 7, World Trade Center. That building was the third structure that collapsed during the 9/11 attacks, eliminating offices of the CIA, Department of Defense, the International News Service (INS), which until then were quite close to the OEM. During this period at OEM he worked with Steven Hatfill, later reported to be a Senior Research Associate at USAMRIID, in a role of an expert for advising the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) which in turn advises the US government and several other countries. Members of the CFR include Pentagon top advisers Richard Perle, Henry Kissinger, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, ex-CIA chief James Woolsey and biosciences specialist Joshua Lederberg. Hauer and Hatfill presented a topic called Building a 'Biobomb': Terrorist Challenge on May 28, 1998 at a CFR conference. He later took part in a meeting at the CFR called "Independent Task Force on America's Response to Terrorism" on November 6, 2001 which defined a framework for public relation goals in communicating the 9/11 events. Several parts might be attributed to the ideas of George Soros. In 2000, there was a major exercise on bio terrorism response headed by the Johns Hopkins Center, in collaboration with the ANSER Institute for Homeland Defense, the Center for Strategic and International Studies, and the Oklahoma Memorial Institute for the Study of Terrorism located at the Andrews Air Force Base. Several roles, such as the President or the CIA director, were acted by other high ranking persons. Hauer took the role of the FEMA Director. The following quote supposedly originates from observer Tara O'Toole, MD: One of the striking observations of this exercise was the unfamiliarity of these distinguished and experienced professionals with the basic decisions and trade-offs associated with managing the response to the epidemic. Subsequently a few more such exercises took place. The last, codenamed Dark Winter, was held on June 22-23, 2001 and in this exercise Hauer played the role of Director of FBI. Hauer started his work for the NIH by September 10, 2001 as a national security advisor. He might have been there earlier, but public sources are not clear. At the time he still held the position of Managing Director at Kroll Associates, Inc.. On 11th September he gave a secret recommendation to the White House to take Cipro, an antibiotic which is effective against anthrax. In late 2001 Hauer managed the cases of the anthrax attack by mail. Barbara Rosenberg provided early, relatively good information for tracking down the origin, including a list of names with people from various institutes, including USAMRIID at Fort Detrick. It was not until after November 2001 that Hauer became involved. His public relations campaign was titled "De-Mystifying the Biological Weapons Debate" where he spread claims such as: suspects are Osama Bin Laden and his Al-Qaeda network and sympathizers to US right wing extremists." Arguably-miraculous American hero, or obvious zionist war criminal? You tell me, clown.
When it comes to Jerome Hauer, Bernie Kerik and Rudy Giuliani, all you zionists turn out as kooks with kooky coincidence theories.
Debate? You call what you do here 'debate'? LOL!
astute observation! Thanks! The funny thing, they never realize their mandate isn't coming from the power and logic of the universe. It's coming from their own head, which finds their thoughts "logical" because they are on a loop feeding their need for reassurance. There's a small army of such guys on the internet, constantly OUTRAGED, OUTRAGED, I tell you! Outraged at any theory that suggests maybe they're really doing something bad at Bohemian Grove, maybe the Bilderbergs don't have our best interests at heart, maybe the CFR really does want its New World Order, maybe 9-11 was an inside job, maybe the assassinations of JFK, RFK, and MLK weren't that different from the post 9-11 assassination of the Constitution with the anthrax attacks aimed at the impediments to the wrongly named Patriot Act.
I'm convinced Hauer was involved in the anthrax attacks and made sure the trail led to Hatfill.
Yes, it all suggests quite plainly that Hauer is in on the anthrax conspiracy, unless one prefers to believe yet another "kook" zionist coincidence theory.
You keep saying that. Please explain why the rest of us should devote any time to your posts.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
No.
Well, that's an invitation for me to put you on my Bozo list, isn't it?
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Take it however you please.
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#4. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#3)
“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"
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Even though such don't exist.
#7. To: YertleTurtle (#0)
Acting alone, and for egotistical and political reasons, Lee Harvey Oswald shot President Kennedy, Texas Governor John Connally, and a Dallas police officer in November 1963.
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#9. To: christine (#7)
wow, you found the one other person in America who believes that!
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Kol Nidre
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#18. To: YertleTurtle (#0)
Conspiracy theories reassure us of the prevalence of virtue and comfort in the world in another paradoxical way: they appeal to our sense of self-righteousness and laziness. By making Evil the prerogative of small inner cabal of "them," the rest of us come across as relatively benign.
#19. To: Mister Clean (#18)
That really explains the rabid self-righteousness of the typical conspiracy theorist.
#20. To: Mister Clean (#18)
That really explains the rabid self-righteousness of the typical conspiracy theorist.
#21. To: YertleTurtle (#19)
These people are not rational, they are not even exactly sane, and they are as deluded as can be. Yet they will spend their lives trying to prove their beliefs, and they going to end up like those nuts who've spent the last 45 years trying to prove there were three shooters triangulating on Kennedy.
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#24. To: All, *You Gotta Be Shitting Me* (#3)
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#26. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#24)
Today was supposed to be the meltdown everyone was screaming about, and it didn't happen at all.
#27. To: Mister Clean (#26)
#28. To: Dakmar (#27)
Everything you say is a lie.
#29. To: YertleTurtle (#19)
Turtle poster.
#30. To: Dakmar (#25)
#31. To: Mister Clean (#28)
You're a wonderful person and a valuable member of society.
#32. To: robin (#30)
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#34. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#33)
#35. To: The Doom Gloom crowd (#24)
On 2007-09-21 21:05:39, TommyTheMadArtist wrote:
#36. To: Mister Clean (#35)
Why isn't anyone responding to these comments?
#37. To: Mister Clean (#35)
Why isn't anyone responding to these comments?
#38. To: Cynicom (#36)
We are still trying to find the B-52 that someone stole a missile from. So dont get pushy or uppity.
#39. To: Mister Clean (#35)
#40. To: Dakmar (#37)
Do a cute little song or something first, we'll see how it goes from there.
#41. To: nobody (#39)
Tommy's comments are way off the demented zionist topic.
#42. To: Mister Clean (#40)
#43. To: Mister Clean (#40)
#44. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#33)
please e-mail me at your leisure should the world end, and I not be awake for it.
#45. To: Mister Clean (#38)
But the doom & gloomers have none to offer.
#46. To: Dakmar (#42)
I'd rather slap you around.
#47. To: nobody (#43)
You get off on abusing posters by using the zionist's 9/11/01 inside job as a foil?
#48. To: Mister Clean (#41)
#49. To: Mister Clean, Dakmar (#46)
I'd rather slap you around.
#50. To: Cynicom (#45)
Bush and you are the only gloomers I know, so scared of a few ragheads that you check under your bed at night. Shameful.
#51. To: Mister Clean (#46)
#52. To: Mister Clean (#47)
I'm doing them a favor by pointing out the fraudulent claims of paranoid doom & gloom conspiracy theorists who live for bad news and pessimism.
#53. To: nobody (#48)
Can't you stay on topic, disgusting zionist clown? The stock bet story came out before the fed went into action and puts are not bearish anyway.
#54. To: Mister Clean (#50)
Check my posts and you'll see that I don't take the threat of terrorism very seriously.
#55. To: Cynicom (#54)
Good heavens. If you are not afraid of a few ragheads, just what is that seems to motivate you to be such a lackey for the government?
#56. To: Mister Clean (#53)
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None of the horrific predictions from the doom & gloom crowd ever happen. That is ultimately the big picture here.
#57. To: Mister Clean (#55)
I have no answer to your baseless crap.
#58. To: Minerva (#56)
Are you talking about the people who predicted that Iraq would be a quagmire and a disaster?
#59. To: Mister Clean (#55)
I have no answer to your baseless crap.
#60. To: Cynicom (#59)
Baseless...crap???
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I'm talking about the people constantly predicting economic destruction, a New World Order,
#64. To: nobody (#62)
Open your eyes, nitwit, I already told you the article was written before the fed busted its ass in making moves to prop up the market.
#65. To: Minerva, Mister Clean (#56)
Are you talking about the people who predicted that Iraq would be a quagmire and a disaster?
#66. To: Mister Clean (#53)
None of the horrific predictions from the doom & gloom crowd ever happen. That is ultimately the big picture here.
#67. To: Minerva (#63)
Are you talking about the gloom and doomers who said Bush's tax cuts would eventually result in a credit crises?
#68. To: Mister Clean (#53)
None of the horrific predictions from the doom & gloom crowd ever happen. That is ultimately the big picture here.
#69. To: Dakmar (#65)
If the Iraqis throw some flowers at G.I.s, the assholes Feith and Wolfowitz get their mugs splashed across New York Times captioned "We Told You So", would that be good enough saving of face to disengage from Iraq?
#70. To: Mister Clean (#60)
Baseless...crap???
#71. To: Mister Clean (#67)
I told you who I'm talking about.
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#73. To: Cynicom (#70)
I think most would enjoy your assessment as a Catholic.
#74. To: Mister Clean (#73)
#75. To: nobody (#72)
I'm in the "you're an idiot" crowd.
#76. To: Mister Clean (#73)
If I ever become Catholic I'll get back to ya.
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#79. To: Cynicom (#76)
what do you think about my number 6
#80. To: nobody (#77)
You're asking me for my market sentiment? LOL, what a pathetic clown you are.
#81. To: Mister Clean (#79)
Absolutely nothing and I'm not going to think about it either.
#82. To: Mister Clean, nobody (#79)
Absolutely nothing and I'm not going to think about it either.
#83. To: Cynicom (#82)
Clean is what could be described as a religious zealot, that is why he refuses to voice an opinion on my number 6.
#84. To: Mister Clean (#83)
So I'm a religious zealot who never posts anything about religion.
#85. To: Minerva (#84)
Yes, posting about religion would give you away and you are too clever for that.
#86. To: Mister Clean (#85)
I'm not interested in posting about religion since I'm not religious.
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#88. To: Mister Clean (#85)
#89. To: Mister Clean (#53)
It's not just one story it's EVERY IDIOTIC PREDICTION of disaster that's really the issue.
#90. To: aristeides, Jethro Tull, Christine, Honway, Robin, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#5)
Was not Nazism itself a grand conspiracy?
#91. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#24)
I love a good conspiracy, but I'm beginning to get tired of waiting for the world to end.
#92. To: YertleTurtle (#0)
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#93. To: Paul Revere (#92)
What compels a person to slavishly defend the most outrageous lies by the government?
#94. To: YertleTurtle (#0)
#95. To: TommyTheMadArtist, Mister Clean (#33)
At every turn, there's a horrible event about to happen, and when it doesn't, there's plenty of assurance that there will be.
#96. To: christine (#95)
I believe that most of that is government propaganda put out there for the purpose of ultimately controlling the masses. You know, create the problem then create the supposed solution (the Hegelian Dialectic).
#97. To: Paul Revere (#92)
This article is another example of the constipated minds of the nonthinking class. It's sad such people have so little ability to think, imagine and draw conclusions.
#98. To: Mister Clean (#96)
#99. To: christine (#98)
Let me ask you something, do you believe the Warren Commission's Report on the Kennedy Assiassination?
#100. To: Mister Clean (#99)
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BUT... just because there may be more to the story doesn't equal some dark conspiracy.
#101. To: Minerva (#100)
You obviously know nothing of the Jesuit Temporal Coadjutors.
#102. To: Minerva (#100)
“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"
#103. To: Eoghan (#102)
#104. To: Mister Clean (#96)
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#105. To: Mister Clean (#99)
#106. To: nobody (#104)
Is it too much trouble to try the zionists who planned and executed the 9/11 zionist inside job, in your opinion?
#107. To: Mister Clean (#106)
What are the names of the "zionists who planned and executed the 9/11 zionist inside job?
#108. To: YertleTurtle (#107)
I believe True Believers are motivated in part by envy.
#109. To: YertleTurtle (#107)
They never choose someone they like or someone who is considered harmless.
#110. To: Mister Clean (#106)
What are the names of the "zionists who planned and executed the 9/11 zionist inside job?
#111. To: YertleTurtle (#107)
People always choose as "conspirators" people they don't like, who are richer and more powerful than they are. That's one of the reasons I believe True Believers are motivated in part by envy.
#112. To: noone222 (#110)
Kristol, Wurmser, Feith, Chernoff, Perle, Wolfowicz, Rumsfeld, Zakheim, Bush I, Bush II, Jeb Bush, Cheney,
#113. To: Mister Clean (#108)
Yertle: I believe True Believers are motivated in part by envy.
#114. To: scrapper2 (#113)
I recall there was some rather nasty remarks you made about Muslim immigrants in France.
#115. To: Mister Clean (#106)
What are the names of the "zionists who planned and executed the 9/11 zionist inside job?
#116. To: Minerva (#100)
You obviously know nothing of the Jesuit Temporal Coadjutors. It has been alleged that even members of this site secretly belong to the organization.
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#117. To: christine (#105)
#118. To: mirage (#117)
There cannot be a conspiracy when everyone knows about it. Conspiracies are hatched, executed, and kept in private.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#119. To: FormerLurker, mirage (#118)
#120. To: IndieTX (#116)
I KNEW I Shouldn't have gone to the Knights of Columbus to swim with my Catholic friend when I was 12...I blew my cover
#121. To: Dakmar (#119)
So 19 Arabs didn't conspire to fly planes into WTC?
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#122. To: Dakmar (#119)
So 19 Arabs didn't conspire to fly planes into WTC?
#123. To: mirage (#122)
#124. To: mirage (#122)
#125. To: YertleTurtle (#0)
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion are fabrications about a world Jewish conspiracy concocted by Russian bigots in a mad time and place.
"The only statement I care to make about the Protocols is that they fit in with what is going on. They are sixteen years old and they have fitted the world situation up to this time. They fit it now."
#126. To: YertleTurtle, Christine (#19)
those nuts who've spent the last 45 years trying to prove there were three shooters triangulating on Kennedy.
#127. To: Dakmar (#124)
The United States was born of a conspiracy against the king of England. We're all bloody!
Never ascribe to malice that which can be more easily written off to mere greed or stupidity.
#128. To: christine (#97)
#129. To: christine (#105)
what's the definition of conspiracy? you got a dictionary?
#130. To: AGAviator (#126)
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Please explain how Oswald, firing from the rear of Kennedy, could fire a magic bullet that made Kennedy's head fall towards him at the moment of impact, instead of away from him in the direction that the bullet was traveling?
#131. To: AGAviator (#126)
(Edited)
Please explain how Oswald, firing from the rear of Kennedy, could fire a magic bullet that made Kennedy's head fall towards him at the moment of impact, instead of away from him in the direction that the bullet was traveling?
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#132. To: nobody (#115)
Ariel Sharon's out of commission, so have you got any better candidate to start with other than Bibi "(9/11) was very good" Netanyahu, who on 9/11 was apparently selflessly interfacing with visitors invited from NY and NJ to the grounds of the latest incarnation of the King David Hotel?
#133. To: Mister Clean (#132)
"If you've got some proof you should do something about it."
#134. To: nobody (#133)
Have you got a problem with me re-iterating on a continuing basis that 9/11 was a zionist inside job, or is that "anti-semitic?"
#135. To: YertleTurtle (#130)
Ever see the opening scene in "Saving Private Ryan"? In the Higgins boat? There is one part where one soldier is standing behind another, and a machine gun bullet goes in the first's forehead, exits the back of his head, and goes through the forehead of the guy behind him.
#136. To: Mister Clean (#134)
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"idiocy"
#137. To: nobody (#136)
I'm glad it bothers you.
#138. To: Mister Clean (#137)
"idiocy"
#139. To: nobody (#138)
Well, my zionist friend, it's only idiotic if I'm wrong.
#140. To: Mister Clean (#139)
(Edited)
"You are wrong"
#141. To: Mister Clean (#139)
I'm not your friend.
#142. To: Mister Clean (#132)
If you've got some proof you should do something about it.
#143. To: aristeides (#141)
#144. To: nobody (#142)
"Who do you suggest I go to first, the Log Cabin Republicans?"
#145. To: Ferret Mike (#144)
#146. To: Paul Revere (#128)
The truth is that such people tend to be authoritarians who think there's a right way and a wrong way to do everything from folding towels to putting dishes in the dishwasher, and will tell you and everyone else so, if you'll only listen. They envy authority, and identify with it like a jailhouse trusty, since they seldom have any real authority over anyone else. Out of their impotence is born their zeal to identify with the power.
#147. To: nobody (#142)
Who do you suggest I go to first, the Log Cabin Republicans?
#148. To: aristeides (#141)
I notice you don't say you're not a Zionist.
#149. To: Mister Clean (#147)
You should take your information to someone who will take it seriously.
#150. To: nobody (#149)
Can't think of one authority who would honestly evaluate it?
#151. To: Mister Clean (#148)
If Zionist means to support the existence of the state of Israel
#152. To: Mister Clean (#150)
#153. To: YertleTurtle (#130)
Massive instant brain damage causes the muscles to convulse. Since the back muscles are far stronger than the chest muscules, the head is pulled back.
#154. To: nobody (#152)
You have no idea how fun it is to be so uniquely right
#155. To: Mister Clean (#154)
You shouldn't take yourself so seriously but I realize that you "truthers" can't help it.
#156. To: YertleTurtle (#155)
none can open their brains just a tiny little crack to even consider it.
#157. To: Mister Clean (#154)
You shouldn't take yourself so seriously
#158. To: Mister Clean (#154)
You shouldn't take yourself so seriously but I realize that you "truthers" can't help it.
#159. To: nobody (#158)
It's a serious topic.
#160. To: Mister Clean, aristeides, Zipporah, robin, christine (#148)
aristeides: I notice you don't say you're not a Zionist.
#161. To: scrapper2 (#160)
Does the description fit you, Mr. Clean?
#162. To: YertleTurtle (#155)
No, they can't, and no matter how much I or anyone else explains how the belief in impossible conspiracies leads to truly evil behavior, and genocide, none can open their brains just a tiny little crack to even consider it.
#163. To: Mister Clean (#161)
Does the description fit you, Mr. Clean?
#164. To: robin (#163)
How are your plans for leaving America?
#165. To: Mister Clean (#164)
#166. To: scrapper2 (#160)
The Zionist plans for a Jewish state required a Jewish majority in Palestine, and preferably a territory cleansed of its native inhabitants.
#167. To: Mister Clean (#159)
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#168. To: nobody (#167)
What's your best alleged debunk for yellow-hot "molten metal" being evidence of pre-planted redox charges?
#169. To: Mister Clean (#168)
#170. To: Mister Clean (#168)
"It's a waste of time."
#171. To: Ferret Mike (#170)
If what is usually discussed here on 4Um offends or bores you, you know where the door is.
#172. To: robin, Mister Clean (#163)
(Edited)
You weren't so dispassionate about stating your support of Israel.
#173. To: Mister Clean (#161)
#174. To: Mister Clean (#168)
#175. To: Mister Clean (#168)
#176. To: Mister Clean (#171)
Debating kook conspiracy beliefs with kooks is definitely a waste of time.
#177. To: christine (#146)
The truth is that such people tend to be authoritarians who think there's a right way and a wrong way to do everything from folding towels to putting dishes in the dishwasher, and will tell you and everyone else so, if you'll only listen. They envy authority, and identify with it like a jailhouse trusty, since they seldom have any real authority over anyone else. Out of their impotence is born their zeal to identify with the power.
#178. To: nobody (#174)
#179. To: Paul Revere (#178)
I'm convinced Hauer was involved in the anthrax attacks and made sure the trail led to Hatfill.
#180. To: Mister Clean (#171)
waste of time
#181. To: aristeides (#180)
Please explain why the rest of us should devote any time to your posts.
#182. To: Mister Clean (#181)
#183. To: aristeides (#182)
Well, that's an invitation for me to put you on my Bozo list, isn't it?
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