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Title: Federal Approval To Travel WITHIN The US Soon?
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Published: Sep 22, 2007
Author: Blue Patriot Woman
Post Date: 2007-09-22 00:06:15 by Zipporah
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http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/p102/484384.pdf Federal Approval To Travel WITHIN The US Soon? http://blue-patriot-woman.dailykos.com/ 9-20-7 Buried in the September 5 issue of the Federal Register, was a notice that Thursday, September 20, the Transportation Safety Administration (TSA) will hold public hearings on their so-called Secure Flight Plan. http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/p102/484384.pdf Come with me into a nightmare world where American citizens will have to obtain permission from the government before they can travel by air in the U.S. Your government (meaning the Department of Homeland Security) is up to no good. Beginning in February 2008, U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) will implement their ¨Advance Passenger Information System (APIS),¨ the gist of which is that you will need permission from the United States Government to travel on any air or sea vessel that goes to, from or through the U.S. The travel companies will not be able to issue a boarding pass until you are cleared by DHS. This applies to ALL passengers, US citizens and visitors alike. And how do you get said permission to travel? That´s for your government to know and you to never find out. Now TSA proposes to do for domestic travel what APIS will do for international routes. That´s what I said: the new TSA rule would require that you obtain PERMISSION to travel within the U.S. Here is the summary of their proposed rules, which seem so reasonable, couched as they are in the blandness of governmenteez [emphasis added]. The Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act (IRTPA) requires the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to assume from aircraft operators the function of conducting pre-flight comparisons of airline passenger information to Federal Government watch lists for international and domestic flights. [snip] This rule proposes to allow TSA to ... receive passenger and certain non-traveler information, conduct watch list matching ... and transmit boarding pass printing instructions back to aircraft operators. [snip] TSA would do so in a consistent and accurate manner while minimizing false matches and protecting privacy information. Right. And I have a bridge in Brooklyn... We propose that, when the Secure Flight rule becomes final, aircraft operators would submit passenger information to DHS through a single DHS portal for both the Secure Flight and APIS programs. This would [result] in one DHS system responsible for watch list matching for all aviation passengers. Don´t you feel great knowing that your government will use economies of scale to protect you? <Edward>http://hasbrouck.org/blog/>Edward Hasbrough states that these rules are more insidious than merely complying to demands for ¨Your papers please.¨ He states, The proposal ... require[s] that travellers display their government-issued credentials not to government agents but to airline personnel (staff or contractors), whenever the DHS orders the airline to demand them. But since the orders to demand ID of [certain passengers] will be given to the airline in secret, ... travellers will have no way to verify whether ... demands for ID are actually based on government orders. Think about that: you will not be allowed to verify if the person demanding your papers is actually authorized to do so. In addition, the airlines or their contractors (or sub or even sub sub contractors) have the right, under the proposed rules, to do anything they like with your personal information including: keep copies of your passport ... as long as they like, use it, publish it, broadcast it, sell it, rent it, or pass it on to whomever they please.... [T]hey would have no obligation to get your permission for any of this. Aside from the privacy issue, this is the DHS. Their past performance is an indication of future returns and we can look forward to true travel nightmares beginning February 19, 2008. Just think about the mess that occurred when CBP demanded that travelers to Canada and Mexico have a passport. Multiply that by orders of magnitude to imagine what travelers will be facing. If you can, please attend the TSA hearings on Thursday (Grand Hyatt Washington, 1000 H Street, N.W. beginning at 8:00am). If you can´t attend in person, you have until October 22, 2007 to submit written comments through the <Docket>http://dms.dot.gov/>Docket Management System. The docket number is TSA-2007-28572. The Identity Project at Papers Please is working to prevent your government from robbing you of your right to privacy in your movements.
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They think a lot of weird shit, but that doesn't make it so. Their illusion of power only exists through "OUR SUPPORT" of it. Quit hiring murderers. Quit supporting the current fascist government and their system. Get out, because you know deep down inside liability is individual and eternal, Romans 13 be damned.
"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins
There are no attempts to restrict free movement in America as tens of thousands of people travel each and every day on planes, trains, ships and automobiles.
USA TESTING "MARK OF THE BEAST" CHIPS IN CHINA - WITHOUT PERMANENT CARD NO BENEFITS Posted By: Rayelan Date: Sunday, 12 August 2007, 10:50 p.m. It looks like the USA is testing our "mark of the beast" chips on the Chinese: "If they do not get the permanent card, they cannot live here, they cannot get government benefits, and that is a way for the government to control the population in the future," said Michael Lin, vice president for investor relations at China Public Security Technology, the company providing the technology. Comment by Rayelan: Sophisticated computer software from a U.S.-financed company, will put powerful computer chips in residency cards and issue them to ALL the citizens of Shenzhen, a city of 12.4 million people. Without the card, the person will NOT be able to LIVE in Shenzhen. They will NOT be able to get government benefits, they may NOT even be able to buy food!! This technology is combined with facial recognition and cameras are being installed on all street corners. "Both steps (the card and the facial recognition software) are officially aimed at fighting crime and developing better controls on an increasingly mobile population, including the nearly 10 million peasants who move to big cities each year. But they could also help the Communist Party retain power by maintaining tight controls on an increasingly prosperous population at a time when street protests are becoming more common." This article will probably be removed within hours. I am archiving the entire article in our Yahoogroups. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RUMORMILLNEWS/message/36335 Here is the link to the original article http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/08/12/asia/china.1-113312.php Big Brother gets high-tech help in Shenzhen By Keith Bradsher Published: August 12, 2007 SHENZHEN, China: At least 20,000 police surveillance cameras are being installed along streets here in southern China and will soon be guided by sophisticated computer software from a U.S.-financed company to recognize automatically the faces of crime suspects and detect unusual activity snip The Chinese government has ordered all large cities across the country to apply technology to police work and to issue high-tech residency cards to 150 million people who have moved to a city but not yet acquired permanent residency. Both steps are officially aimed at fighting crime and developing better controls on an increasingly mobile population, including the nearly 10 million peasants who move to big cities each year. But they could also help the Communist Party retain power by maintaining tight controls on an increasingly prosperous population at a time when street protests are becoming more common. "If they do not get the permanent card, they cannot live here, they cannot get government benefits, and that is a way for the government to control the population in the future," said Michael Lin, vice president for investor relations at China Public Security Technology, the company providing the technology. Incorporated in Florida, China Public Security has raised much of the money to develop its technology from two investment funds in Plano, Texas: Pinnacle Fund and Pinnacle China Fund. Three investment banks helped it raise the money: Roth Capital Partners in Newport Beach, California; Oppenheimer & Co. in New York; and First Asia Finance Group of Hong Kong. "You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."
Too bad we won't apply such a system here to combat the illegals.
WTF is a "non-traveler?" Everyone?
There are no attempts to restrict free movement in America as tens of thousands of people travel each and every day on planes, trains, ships and automobiles. Uh...did you catch the title of the article? Do you need an ID to fly on planes, to get on a train, or drive an automobile? Let's just take the automobile for instance. Can you drive anywhere you want in this country without first having a driving license? [If you say you don't need one, you are tagged as a terrorist, along with all those other defenders of the Constitution: http://www.retakingamerica.com/fbi_flyer_01.html ] Do you have to provide a Social Security number to get a license these days? Let's see....... ".....Originally, Social Security was known as a voluntary retirement disability benefit program instituted of officers and employees of the Federal sector. Ten years after the advent of Social Security, while there were still less than 800,000 workers participating in the program, U.S. President F.D. Roosevelt issued Executive Order 9397 in 1943. His order urged heads of the federal departments to use the social security account number for record keeping whenever an agency, "establishes a new system of account numbers." Since then, the universal use of the SSN as record identification number rapidly increased in government and private sectors. As use of the SSN as an identifier increased, so did suspicions about its possible relationship to the Biblical prophesy among some Christian's who see the figurative language of Revelation, chapter 13, as having a literal application that they might see in their time. In Larry Lewis's case, Idaho insists that section 666 of the Social Security Code compels them to deny him a drivers license. Since Idaho receives money from Social Security, the Idaho Attorney General, Lawrence G. Wasden, says that Idaho is obligated to institute all the federal regulations relating to it. Otherwise, Idaho is in danger of not qualifying for federal welfare funds. Section 666 requires all participating States to require "any applicant for professional license, driver's license, occupational license, recreational license, or marriage license" have (their) SSN "recorded on the application." Lawrence G. Wasden argued that the federal requirement, in essence, is absolute and Larry Lewis is therefore not protected by the recently enacted Religious Freedom Restoration Act, Idaho Code §73-401 through 404. Larry's case is one in a long line of religious liberty challenges to States implementing section 666 of the Social Security Code. ....." http://www.christianliberty.org/lewis/news1 Now note this: Hefty Fees In Store for Misbehaving Va. Drivers - Driving without a license? Maybe a $75 fine. Definitely a $900 fee from Virginia. As part of the plan to fund the annual $1 billion transportation package ... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/22/AR2007062201781.html If you don't have a license, and you get caught, and can't pay the fine, and get thrown in jail, how much freedom of movement will YOU have?
The driver's license is not designed to RESTRICT a person's ability to travel.
If it has that effect, what is the difference? Let's look at a couple other things that will restrict our ability to move around: 4um: CNN: Americans May Need Passport To Have Picnic in a Park Title: CNN: Americans May Need Passport To Have Picnic in a Park ..... http://www. http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=59529 CNN) -- Americans may need passports to board domestic flights or to picnic in a national park next year if they live in one of the states defying the federal Real ID Act. The act, signed in 2005 as part of an emergency military spending and tsunami relief bill, aims to weave driver's licenses and state ID cards into a sort of national identification system by May 2008. The law sets baseline criteria for how driver's licenses will be issued and what information they must contain. The Department of Homeland Security insists Real ID is an essential weapon in the war on terror, but privacy and civil liberties watchdogs are calling the initiative an overly intrusive measure that smacks of Big Brother. More than half the nation's state legislatures have passed symbolic legislation denouncing the plan, and some have penned bills expressly forbidding compliance. Several states have begun making arrangements for the new requirements -- four have passed legislation applauding the measure -- but even they may have trouble meeting the act's deadline. The cards would be mandatory for all "federal purposes," which include boarding an airplane or walking into a federal building, nuclear facility or national park, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff told the National Conference of State Legislatures last week. Citizens in states that don't comply with the new rules will have to use passports for federal purposes...... Chertoff said the Real ID program is essential to national security because there are presently 8,000 types of identification accepted to enter the United States. "It is simply unreasonable to expect our border inspectors to be able to detect forgeries on documents that range from baptismal certificates..... [note: they must REALLY hate that one; it was first out of AsheNAZI Jew Chertoff's mouth.... I wonder why??? .....Ezekiel 34/John 10, that's why....."they [CHRISTIANS] will go in and out".....AND PLEASE SEE THIS: EMBASSY OF HEAVEN PASSPORT http://www.embassyofheaven.org/pp_mission.htm ]..... .....from small towns in Texas to cards that purport to reflect citizenship privileges in a province somewhere in Canada," he said. The Real ID Act repealed a provision in the 9/11 Commission Implementation Act calling for state and federal officials to examine security standards for driver's licenses. It called instead for states to begin issuing new federal licenses, lasting no longer than eight years, by May 11, 2008, unless they are granted an extension. It also requires all 245 million license and state ID holders to visit their local departments of motor vehicles and apply for a Real ID by 2013. Applicants must bring a photo ID, birth certificate [you know, the one that has your slave number printed on the back], proof of Social Security number [the other slave number] and proof of residence, [i.e., "United States", not a country, a CORPORATION] and states must maintain and protect massive databases housing the information..... EFF says on its Web site that the information in the databases will lay the groundwork for "a wide range of surveillance activities" by government and businesses that "will be able to easily read your private information" because of the bar code required on each card. The databases will provide a one-stop shop for identity thieves, adds the ACLU on its Web site, and the U.S. "surveillance society" and private sector will have access to the system "for the routine tracking, monitoring and regulation of individuals' movements and activities." The civil liberties watchdog dubs the IDs "internal passports" and claims it wouldn't be long before office buildings, gas stations, toll booths, subways and buses begin accessing the system....... Chertoff said there would be repercussions for states choosing not to comply. "This is not a mandate," Chertoff said. "A state doesn't have to do this, but if the state doesn't have -- at the end of the day, at the end of the deadline -- Real ID-compliant licenses then the state cannot expect that those licenses will be accepted for federal purposes." ================================ United States Forest Service Purchases 700 TASER X26 Electronic Control Devices http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=61991 What the hell does the Forest Service need tasers for do you suppose? Maybe for those pesky Americans who don't like what's coming next....they build their world order from the bottom up, don't forget, to keep the simpletons from catching on too soon. Let's connect the dots. "....Prior to 1913, most Americans owned clear, allodial title to property, free and clear of any liens or mortgages until the Federal Reserve Act (1913) "Hypothecated" all property within the federal United States to the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve, -in which the Trustees (stockholders) held legal title. The U.S. citizen (tenant, franchisee) was registered as a "beneficiary" of the trust via his/her birth certificate. In 1933, the federal United States hypothecated all of the present and future properties, assets and labor of their "subjects," the 14th Amendment U.S. citizen, to the Federal Reserve System. In return, the Federal Reserve System agreed to extend the federal United States corporation all the credit "money substitute" it needed. Like any other debtor, the federal United States government had to assign collateral and security to their creditors as a condition of the loan. Since the federal United States didn't have any assets, they assigned the private property of their "economic slaves", the U.S. citizens as collateral against the un-payable federal debt. They also pledged the unincorporated federal territories, national parks, **** forests, birth certificates, and nonprofit organizations, as collateral against the federal debt. All has already been transferred as payment to the international bankers. Unwittingly, America has returned to its pre-American Revolution, feudal roots whereby all land is held by a sovereign and the common people had no rights to hold allodial title to property. Once again, We the People are the tenants and sharecroppers renting our own property from a Sovereign in the guise of the Federal Reserve Bank. We the people have exchanged one master for another....." THE BANKRUPTCY OF THE UNITED STATES http://www.apfn.net/Doc-100_bankruptcy.htm "....the growing Noachide movement will seize political power—using only peaceful, lawful means—in the capitals of the Western nations. This, of course, will not take place until the Noachide society has grown to some threshold size. We do not know how large this needs to be nor which nations will join the revolution first, although the United States, as a fairly religious, conservative nation, certainly tops the list of prospects. Upon seizing the reins of government, the new Noachide leaders will move quickly to implement a full agenda of reform. All economic and technological aid to the Communist Bloc, including the PLO, will be terminated immediately. Full support will be given to Israeli forces to reinvade PLO-controlled areas, with military assistance offered where necessary. Jewish courts (the batei dini of the rabbis) will be granted full legal sovereignty over Jewish citizens within each country, who will no longer be subject to the authority of gentile courts. The pre-existing Noachide judges and courts will replace the existing court system of each country, and the legal code will be drastically rewritten to conform to halacha; in the United States, the emphasis will be on restoring the authority of the Constitution and abolishing all unconstitutional government programs and agencies. **** The national debt will be foreclosed, probably by paying off creditors with government land holdings, thus averting economic disaster. And law and order will be fully restored through the establishment of ****internal security measures, again in accordance with Torah law....." FINAL WAR FOR JERUSALEM see http://www.cephas-library.com/nwo/nwo_noachide_judge_and_courts_will_replace_ours.html U.S. NATIONAL PARKS TO BE OFF LIMITS TO AMERICANS.....1972 Treaty Grants the United Nations Control Over American Historical Landmarks ... http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20Government/national_parks_offlimit.htm U.N. PLAN TO DESIGNATE 'WILDERNESS' AREAS THAT WILL BE OFF LIMITS ... Under this bill, three Federal Land agencies........ http://www.cuttingedge.org/NEWS/n1101.cfm : "....the Northern Forest Stewardship Act. This bill would "acquire" 26 million acres of rural northern New England, for the express purpose of shutting down the forests and rural communities of New England, thus denying any human activity! In 1991, Brock Evans, then Vice-President and Chief Lobbyist for the National Audubon Society, spoke to environmentalist leaders in the Boston area about the activities planned for setting aside huge tracts of land in the Northeast. Brock said, "This will be an even bigger campaign in the next few years than the Ancient Forest Campaign we're just going through in the Pacific Northwest ... I don't agree that we can't get it all back ... I don't agree that it shouldn't all be in the public domain." This statement is as Draconian as it sounds. Under this bill, three Federal Land agencies -- the national Park Service, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and the ***** U.S. Forest Service -- will write regulations defining how they will 'assist' the states and embark on a massive land acquisition planning program. That will then lead to preauthorized Federally-funded state and Federal land acquisition, with no limits on where they will buy or the cost. In other words, the Federal Government is so committed to "acquiring" this land that they will not be limited by such mundane considerations like cost! Obviously, this project means a great deal to them. When I look at the map showing these "acquired" areas of America that are going to be set aside for "non-human species", I can see that most of the extreme Northeast is thus set aside! ****Where an area is not completely forbidden to humans, it is crisscrossed with "Human Buffer Zones" which **** "severely limit use" by humans. The entire Northeast is planned to be carefully mapped out in this manner. This Northern Forest Stewardship Act is a most deliberate, planned bill that actually implements this terrible plan. Most of this beautiful, heavily wooded area is going to be put ****off limits to human living, commerce, and recreational activity! But, you ask, **** what about the private owners of this "acquired" land? What about their rights? **** "Landowners need not be notified until the final stages, when, according to one patronizing section of the bill, **** you will be 'involved in a meaningful way that acknowledges [your] concerns about public land acquisition' - before the acquisitions proceed regardless of your 'concerns'. ["Northern New England Land Grab Legislation", 29 July 1997, Kepi Newsletter] In other words, **** you, the private property owner, will be notified just before your land is to be confiscated. The government will base its actions upon both this land use bill and its established right of "eminent domain". When this plan gets into full swing, the landowner or property owner should not expect to receive a dollar value anywhere close to the full market value of their property. Of course, everyone will want to move out anyway, because the normal economy of this region will immediately be ruined, as all natural resources will be declared "sustainable preserves" that will be off limits to any business or city for any reason. Commerce will die, as is the plan!....." Now, couple all that with the George Bush I [also known as the German-born George Scherf(f)]: 4um: George Bush Executive Order 12803 - Infrastructure Privatization - http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=58610 The plot to sell off or lease our infrastructure: hospitals, ROADS, BRIDGES, schools, etc. You don't think there will be roadblocks and/or tolls to be paid, and permission to be gotten? Will this not restrict free movement? What about that abomination they are carving from one end of this country to the other, to more easily turn us into a doormat between Mexico and Canada? Will you not have to get permission, and or pay the trolls to cross it to the other side of the country? You probably aren't aware of it, but there is a holy war being waged by the Jews against the Christians in this country. It was the Jews who were responsible for the holocaust of 60-100 million Christians in Russia. They are planning another one here. Some Christians were able to escape to the woods and survive there. They are not going to make that mistake again. They are planning to cut off all means of escape, and controlling our movement is a given. Not to mention, they have mortgaged the forests to pay for all their contrived wars, and their usurious taxes to transfer the wealth from the people of this country to the pockets of the conspirators and all their Lucifer-worshipping cronies. Since they also stole our gold, and silver, and labor, and the dollar isn't worth two cents, literally, what do you think all those folks like China who are holding our phony paper are likely to do? Hint: http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze038.html#13 They sure don't want us running off to the woods to hide. They want us dead. Sorry if you can't see it.
4um: CNN: Americans May Need Passport To Have Picnic in a Park Title: CNN: Americans May Need Passport To Have Picnic in a Park ..... http://www. http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=59529 Did you see the word, "may" in the title? Like I said, there are no efforts to restrict anyone's movement in the USA.
Like I said, there are no efforts to restrict anyone's movement in the USA. ==================== Chertoff said there would be repercussions for states choosing not to comply. "This is not a mandate," Chertoff said. "A state doesn't have to do this, but if the state doesn't have -- at the end of the day, at the end of the deadline -- Real ID-compliant licenses then the state cannot expect that those licenses will be accepted for federal purposes." ============================================ "....The cards would be mandatory for all "federal purposes," which include boarding an airplane or walking into a federal building, nuclear facility or national park, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff told the National Conference of State Legislatures last week. Granny won't be able to use the post office, or the Social Security office, or a national museum, or a park....even if her house happens to be grandfathered into that park, and get a clue, after the next contrived attack, EVERYTHING will be FEDERAL: EXECUTIVE ORDERS http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/fema.htm "the 'house of world order' will have to be built from the bottom up rather than from the top down. It will look like a great 'booming, buzzing confusion,' to use William James' famous description of reality, but an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old-fashioned frontal assault." -- Richard N. Gardner, in Foreign Affairs (April 1974)"
Yeah and...? Where is the attempt to restrict travel?
for federal purposes." ... means airline travel you idiot. People without a federally approved I.D. WON'T BE ABLE TO BOARD AN AIRCRAFT ... THAT MIGHT BE CONSIDERED A RESTRICTION EVEN BY SOMEONE AS STUPID AS YOU ARE.
"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins
That requirement isn't some sinister government plot to restrict free movement in the USA.
You're a genuine moron ... it's a federal policy that restricts travel ... some might feel it's sinsister ... Chertoff is threatening States and their citizens with restricted travel ... I'd say it's sinister. People have flown for decades without having to meet a federal I.D. Standard.
"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins
If you feel threatened that's your problem. I don't.
And who will enforce such a law? Blackwater perhaps?
possibly...they have had other long-standing plans as well: MEXICAN-AMERICAN BORDER PATROL SHOOT-OUT -- SHOCKING NEW REVELATIONS! Let us now examine the troops that are to be stationed in North America ... Foreign troops would be in total control of the entire North American continent. ... http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1431.cfm : PEOPLE ARE BEING CONDITIONED TO FOREIGN TROOPS PATROLLING ... Do not be deceived: the United States is not only going to voluntarily give up its sovereignty, its leadership is going to voluntarily allow foreign troops ... http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1328.cfm USA ready for takeover by Foreign Troops!, page 13 ... for the Military Patrol of the United States is on track and on schedule. How will this happen? ... Foreign troops would be in total ... http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread256049/pg13 what does the Bible say: Eze 38:5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet: Eze 38:6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: [and] many people with thee. Eze 38:15 — And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army:
Mr. Clean: If you feel threatened that's your problem. I don't. I have no doubt that this pending restrictive policy re: inter-state travel would not worry you, Mr. Clean. It only applies to American residents not to Israelis.
The silver lining in this black cloud - at least from my perspective - is this...in 11 months 8 days 7 hours and 6 minutes, neocon Trotskyites like Comrade Jerkoff are going to become ordinary American citizens...ergo so it follows that the sinister tangled webs they have woven while in gov't office will soon apply to THEM! Mr. Jerkoff, your papers please...sigh, music to my ears when that day happens and it steadily approaches....
Somehow I think they might not think that prudent. They might get a boot up their ass.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition Well, since you asked politely, yes, comrade.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
That's a laughable statement. Over a half million names are on the NO FLY list, most of them people who are Americans on the Bush Political Shit List. Your Supreme Court has allowed a complete raping of the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 8th amendments in the name of security, and in so doing, have made travel in this country subject to anytime, anywhere hassling by government hired modern day Pinkerton agents.
Do you really think so?
"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma Gandhi
Hey shill. May you receive your due when your masters and their children are dragged from their fortresses, stripped of their rights and paraded down main street.
"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma Gandhi
You first.
I travel all the time with no problems from any government officials.
Why should something that doesn't exist worry me?
I'm not worried about Secure Flight.
So what? A good government shill like you doesn't need to worry. What are they going to accuse you of, not jumping high enough while you're cheerleading for them? Your answer to a half million political enemies of the president being on the NO FLY list is to say you're not on it. That isn't logic, it's myopic narcissism.
The people on the no-fly list are not my problem.
They're a problem for anyone who isn't a Nazi.
So what are you doing about it besides whining on an Internet forum?
Injustice anywhere is a threat to peace and freedom everywhere. This is everyone's problem, and one of many symtoms of the disease of corporate fascism this country suffers from thanks to crime syndicates like the one Smirk and Snarl belong to. They won't stop with banning political adversaries from air travel either. Expect surface transportation to get much harder to do too.
Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.
bingo
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That is a very cheap and generic flame job. What else do you do besides flick your bic lighter of an intellect online? That tiny flame-on baiting you do here cuts both ways.
Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.
Is there a list of all the political adversaries who have been banned from air travel? Funny how they haven't sued over this injustice.
It's a legitimate question. If you and others are soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo concerned about the "fascism" of air travel security, you should be doing more than posting to an obscure Internet forum.
Not obscure enough for a govt shill like you to be minding the store. Remember what I said about your due.
"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma Gandhi
Yawn.
The shadow government culture of plausible denial being more important then equal treatment under the law does what the do in a way that reduces the liabilities of doing what they do. I expect to see more lawsuits as they clamp down, and I expect to see even stronger attacks against the rights to use civil court then have come from the Bushies so far in the next few years.
Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.
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"..... 13. Any attempt to restrict freedom of movement within the United States....."
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"If they do not get the permanent card, they cannot live here, they cannot get government benefits, and that is a way for the government to control the population in the future," said Michael Lin, vice president for investor relations at China Public Security Technology, the company providing the technology.
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This rule proposes to allow TSA to ... receive passenger and certain non-traveler information, ...
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#15. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#14)
Can you drive anywhere you want in this country without first having a driving license?
#16. To: Mister Clean (#15)
#17. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#16)
Let's look at a couple other things that will restrict our ability to move around:
#18. To: Mister Clean (#17)
Did you see the word, "may" in the title?
#19. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#18)
"This is not a mandate," Chertoff said. "A state doesn't have to do this, but if the state doesn't have -- at the end of the day, at the end of the deadline -- Real ID-compliant licenses then the state cannot expect that those licenses will be accepted for federal purposes."
#20. To: Mister Clean (#19)
Where is the attempt to restrict travel?
#21. To: noone222 (#20)
for federal purposes." ... means airline travel you idiot. People without a federally approved I.D. WON'T BE ABLE TO BOARD AN AIRCRAFT ... THAT MIGHT BE CONSIDERED A RESTRICTION EVEN BY SOMEONE AS STUPID AS YOU ARE.
#22. To: Mister Clean (#21)
That requirement isn't some sinister government plot to restrict free movement in the USA.
#23. To: noone222 (#22)
some might feel it's sinsister ...
#24. To: Zipporah (#0)
Federal Approval To Travel WITHIN The US Soon?
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#25. To: FormerLurker (#24)
Blackwater?
#26. To: Mister Clean, noone222 (#23)
noone222: some might feel it's sinsister ...
#27. To: Zipporah, All (#0)
#28. To: Zipporah, christine, fred mertz (#0)
If you can, please attend the TSA hearings
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#29. To: angle (#3)
What's next, roadblocks at state borders? Your papers comrade?
#30. To: Mister Clean, robin (#10)
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There are no attempts to restrict free movement in America as tens of thousands of people travel each and every day on planes, trains, ships and automobiles.
#31. To: scrapper2 (#27)
in 11 months 8 days 7 hours and 6 minutes, neocon Trotskyites like Comrade Jerkoff are going to become ordinary American citizens
#32. To: Mister Clean (#21)
#33. To: angle (#32)
May you receive your due when your masters and their children are dragged from their fortresses, stripped of their rights and paraded down main street.
#34. To: Paul Revere (#30)
Your Supreme Court has allowed a complete raping of the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 8th amendments in the name of security, and in so doing, have made travel in this country subject to anytime, anywhere hassling by government hired modern day Pinkerton agents.
#35. To: scrapper2 (#26)
I have no doubt that this pending restrictive policy re: inter-state travel would not worry you, Mr. Clean.
#36. To: Mister Clean (#35)
http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/p102/484384.pdf
#37. To: Zipporah (#36)
#38. To: Mister Clean (#34)
I travel all the time with no problems from any government officials.
#39. To: Paul Revere (#38)
Your answer to a half million political enemies of the president being on the NO FLY list is to say you're not on it. That isn't logic, it's myopic narcissism.
#40. To: Mister Clean (#39)
The people on the no-fly list are not my problem.
#41. To: Paul Revere (#40)
They're a problem for anyone who isn't a Nazi.
#42. To: Mister Clean (#39)
"The people on the no-fly list are not my problem."
#43. To: Paul Revere (#38)
So what? A good government shill like you doesn't need to worry. What are they going to accuse you of, not jumping high enough while you're cheerleading for them?
#44. To: Mister Clean (#41)
"So what are you doing about it besides whining on an Internet forum?"
#45. To: Ferret Mike (#42)
They won't stop with banning political adversaries from air travel either.
#46. To: Ferret Mike (#44)
That is a very cheap and generic flame job.
#47. To: Mister Clean (#46)
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an obscure Internet forum
#48. To: angle (#47)
Not obscure enough for a govt shill like you to be minding the store.
#49. To: Mister Clean (#45)
"Funny how they haven't sued over this injustice."
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