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Title: Federal Approval To Travel WITHIN The US Soon?
Source: Daily Kos via Rense
URL Source: http://rense.com/general78/fedd.htm
Published: Sep 22, 2007
Author: Blue Patriot Woman
Post Date: 2007-09-22 00:06:15 by Zipporah
Keywords: None
Views: 1273
Comments: 87

http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/p102/484384.pdf

Federal Approval To Travel WITHIN The US Soon?

http://blue-patriot-woman.dailykos.com/ 9-20-7

Buried in the September 5 issue of the Federal Register, was a notice that Thursday, September 20, the Transportation Safety Administration (TSA) will hold public hearings on their so-called Secure Flight Plan.

http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/p102/484384.pdf

Come with me into a nightmare world where American citizens will have to obtain permission from the government before they can travel by air in the U.S.

Your government (meaning the Department of Homeland Security) is up to no good.

Beginning in February 2008, U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) will implement their ¨Advance Passenger Information System (APIS),¨ the gist of which is that you will need permission from the United States Government to travel on any air or sea vessel that goes to, from or through the U.S. The travel companies will not be able to issue a boarding pass until you are cleared by DHS. This applies to ALL passengers, US citizens and visitors alike. And how do you get said permission to travel? That´s for your government to know and you to never find out.

Now TSA proposes to do for domestic travel what APIS will do for international routes. That´s what I said: the new TSA rule would require that you obtain PERMISSION to travel within the U.S.

Here is the summary of their proposed rules, which seem so reasonable, couched as they are in the blandness of governmenteez [emphasis added].

The Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act (IRTPA) requires the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to assume from aircraft operators the function of conducting pre-flight comparisons of airline passenger information to Federal Government watch lists for international and domestic flights.

[snip]

This rule proposes to allow TSA to ... receive passenger and certain non-traveler information, conduct watch list matching ... and transmit boarding pass printing instructions back to aircraft operators.

[snip]

TSA would do so in a consistent and accurate manner while minimizing false matches and protecting privacy information.

Right. And I have a bridge in Brooklyn...

We propose that, when the Secure Flight rule becomes final, aircraft operators would submit passenger information to DHS through a single DHS portal for both the Secure Flight and APIS programs. This would [result] in one DHS system responsible for watch list matching for all aviation passengers.

Don´t you feel great knowing that your government will use economies of scale to protect you?

<Edward>http://hasbrouck.org/blog/>Edward Hasbrough states that these rules are more insidious than merely complying to demands for ¨Your papers please.¨ He states,

The proposal ... require[s] that travellers display their government-issued credentials not to government agents but to airline personnel (staff or contractors), whenever the DHS orders the airline to demand them. But since the orders to demand ID of [certain passengers] will be given to the airline in secret, ... travellers will have no way to verify whether ... demands for ID are actually based on government orders.

Think about that: you will not be allowed to verify if the person demanding your papers is actually authorized to do so. In addition, the airlines or their contractors (or sub or even sub sub contractors) have the right, under the proposed rules, to do anything they like with your personal information including:

keep copies of your passport ... as long as they like, use it, publish it, broadcast it, sell it, rent it, or pass it on to whomever they please.... [T]hey would have no obligation to get your permission for any of this.

Aside from the privacy issue, this is the DHS. Their past performance is an indication of future returns and we can look forward to true travel nightmares beginning February 19, 2008. Just think about the mess that occurred when CBP demanded that travelers to Canada and Mexico have a passport. Multiply that by orders of magnitude to imagine what travelers will be facing.

If you can, please attend the TSA hearings on Thursday (Grand Hyatt Washington, 1000 H Street, N.W. beginning at 8:00am). If you can´t attend in person, you have until October 22, 2007 to submit written comments through the <Docket>http://dms.dot.gov/>Docket Management System. The docket number is TSA-2007-28572.

The Identity Project at Papers Please is working to prevent your government from robbing you of your right to privacy in your movements.

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#7. To: Zipporah (#0)

Come with me into a nightmare world where American citizens will have to obtain permission from the government before they can travel by air in the U.S.

Your government (meaning the Department of Homeland Security) is up to no good.

They think they serve God, and that we are their slaves. [God said He would choose their delusions.]

"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly." (Leviticus 25:44-46)

14 SIGNPOSTS TO SLAVERY

"..... 13. Any attempt to restrict freedom of movement within the United States....."

http://www.barefootsworld.net/14signs.html

Moving right along, aren't they?

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-09-22   5:41:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#7)

"..... 13. Any attempt to restrict freedom of movement within the United States....."

There are no attempts to restrict free movement in America as tens of thousands of people travel each and every day on planes, trains, ships and automobiles.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-09-22   9:58:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Mister Clean, robin (#10) (Edited)

There are no attempts to restrict free movement in America as tens of thousands of people travel each and every day on planes, trains, ships and automobiles.

That's a laughable statement. Over a half million names are on the NO FLY list, most of them people who are Americans on the Bush Political Shit List.

Your Supreme Court has allowed a complete raping of the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 8th amendments in the name of security, and in so doing, have made travel in this country subject to anytime, anywhere hassling by government hired modern day Pinkerton agents.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-09-23   8:07:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Paul Revere (#30)

Your Supreme Court has allowed a complete raping of the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 8th amendments in the name of security, and in so doing, have made travel in this country subject to anytime, anywhere hassling by government hired modern day Pinkerton agents.

I travel all the time with no problems from any government officials.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-09-23   10:11:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Mister Clean (#34)

I travel all the time with no problems from any government officials.

So what? A good government shill like you doesn't need to worry. What are they going to accuse you of, not jumping high enough while you're cheerleading for them?

Your answer to a half million political enemies of the president being on the NO FLY list is to say you're not on it. That isn't logic, it's myopic narcissism.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-09-23   10:20:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Paul Revere (#38)

Your answer to a half million political enemies of the president being on the NO FLY list is to say you're not on it. That isn't logic, it's myopic narcissism.

The people on the no-fly list are not my problem.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-09-23   10:24:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Mister Clean (#39)

"The people on the no-fly list are not my problem."

Injustice anywhere is a threat to peace and freedom everywhere. This is everyone's problem, and one of many symtoms of the disease of corporate fascism this country suffers from thanks to crime syndicates like the one Smirk and Snarl belong to.

They won't stop with banning political adversaries from air travel either. Expect surface transportation to get much harder to do too.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-09-23   12:00:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Ferret Mike (#42)

They won't stop with banning political adversaries from air travel either.

Is there a list of all the political adversaries who have been banned from air travel?

Funny how they haven't sued over this injustice.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-09-23   13:43:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Mister Clean (#45)

Is there a list of all the political adversaries who have been banned from air travel?

I don't think I'm a "political adversary", but I'm banned from air travel. Granted, it's a self-imposed ban (as far as I know, but hell for all I know I might be "on the list") - they want too much info, things like ID. I simply don't qualify.

innieway  posted on  2007-09-24   8:20:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: innieway (#65)

they want too much info, things like ID.

How are you harmed by providing ID?

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-09-24   8:49:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Mister Clean (#70)

How are you harmed by providing ID?

They won't let me have a state-issued ID. They require me to provide a SS# as per Federal Regulations in Section 666

I'm just not going there...

innieway  posted on  2007-09-24   8:56:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: innieway (#73)

They won't let me have a state-issued ID. They require me to provide a SS# as per Federal Regulations in Section 666

I'm just not going there...

Sounds like you're just shooting yourself in the foot.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-09-24   8:59:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Mister Clean (#74)

Sounds like you're just shooting yourself in the foot.

Well I'm one of those KOOKS that actually BELIEVES in Scripture. As far as I can tell, I still have the RIGHT of Religious Free Exercise.

Anyhow, according to the words of the Messiah in Scripture:
Luke 22:25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. 26 But ye [shall] not [be] so

In the Social Security System, the government is called the benefactor. The applicant is the "beneficiary". If I'm not mistaken, God said "don't go there". So like a good little kid, I'm not questioning daddy's orders; I'm just obeying.

innieway  posted on  2007-09-24   9:24:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: innieway (#78)

Well I'm one of those KOOKS that actually BELIEVES in Scripture. As far as I can tell, I still have the RIGHT of Religious Free Exercise.

Having a SSN doesn't prevent you from exercising your right to religion.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-09-24   9:27:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Mister Clean (#79) (Edited)

Bible belief and "religion" are two completely different subjects.

SS makes one "TRUST" in man ... Bible belief causes one to TRUST God. All we have to offer God is our complete TRUST.

noone222  posted on  2007-09-24   9:37:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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