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Title: Federal Approval To Travel WITHIN The US Soon?
Source: Daily Kos via Rense
URL Source: http://rense.com/general78/fedd.htm
Published: Sep 22, 2007
Author: Blue Patriot Woman
Post Date: 2007-09-22 00:06:15 by Zipporah
Keywords: None
Views: 1286
Comments: 87

http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/p102/484384.pdf

Federal Approval To Travel WITHIN The US Soon?

http://blue-patriot-woman.dailykos.com/ 9-20-7

Buried in the September 5 issue of the Federal Register, was a notice that Thursday, September 20, the Transportation Safety Administration (TSA) will hold public hearings on their so-called Secure Flight Plan.

http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/p102/484384.pdf

Come with me into a nightmare world where American citizens will have to obtain permission from the government before they can travel by air in the U.S.

Your government (meaning the Department of Homeland Security) is up to no good.

Beginning in February 2008, U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) will implement their ¨Advance Passenger Information System (APIS),¨ the gist of which is that you will need permission from the United States Government to travel on any air or sea vessel that goes to, from or through the U.S. The travel companies will not be able to issue a boarding pass until you are cleared by DHS. This applies to ALL passengers, US citizens and visitors alike. And how do you get said permission to travel? That´s for your government to know and you to never find out.

Now TSA proposes to do for domestic travel what APIS will do for international routes. That´s what I said: the new TSA rule would require that you obtain PERMISSION to travel within the U.S.

Here is the summary of their proposed rules, which seem so reasonable, couched as they are in the blandness of governmenteez [emphasis added].

The Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act (IRTPA) requires the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to assume from aircraft operators the function of conducting pre-flight comparisons of airline passenger information to Federal Government watch lists for international and domestic flights.

[snip]

This rule proposes to allow TSA to ... receive passenger and certain non-traveler information, conduct watch list matching ... and transmit boarding pass printing instructions back to aircraft operators.

[snip]

TSA would do so in a consistent and accurate manner while minimizing false matches and protecting privacy information.

Right. And I have a bridge in Brooklyn...

We propose that, when the Secure Flight rule becomes final, aircraft operators would submit passenger information to DHS through a single DHS portal for both the Secure Flight and APIS programs. This would [result] in one DHS system responsible for watch list matching for all aviation passengers.

Don´t you feel great knowing that your government will use economies of scale to protect you?

<Edward>http://hasbrouck.org/blog/>Edward Hasbrough states that these rules are more insidious than merely complying to demands for ¨Your papers please.¨ He states,

The proposal ... require[s] that travellers display their government-issued credentials not to government agents but to airline personnel (staff or contractors), whenever the DHS orders the airline to demand them. But since the orders to demand ID of [certain passengers] will be given to the airline in secret, ... travellers will have no way to verify whether ... demands for ID are actually based on government orders.

Think about that: you will not be allowed to verify if the person demanding your papers is actually authorized to do so. In addition, the airlines or their contractors (or sub or even sub sub contractors) have the right, under the proposed rules, to do anything they like with your personal information including:

keep copies of your passport ... as long as they like, use it, publish it, broadcast it, sell it, rent it, or pass it on to whomever they please.... [T]hey would have no obligation to get your permission for any of this.

Aside from the privacy issue, this is the DHS. Their past performance is an indication of future returns and we can look forward to true travel nightmares beginning February 19, 2008. Just think about the mess that occurred when CBP demanded that travelers to Canada and Mexico have a passport. Multiply that by orders of magnitude to imagine what travelers will be facing.

If you can, please attend the TSA hearings on Thursday (Grand Hyatt Washington, 1000 H Street, N.W. beginning at 8:00am). If you can´t attend in person, you have until October 22, 2007 to submit written comments through the <Docket>http://dms.dot.gov/>Docket Management System. The docket number is TSA-2007-28572.

The Identity Project at Papers Please is working to prevent your government from robbing you of your right to privacy in your movements.

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#7. To: Zipporah (#0)

Come with me into a nightmare world where American citizens will have to obtain permission from the government before they can travel by air in the U.S.

Your government (meaning the Department of Homeland Security) is up to no good.

They think they serve God, and that we are their slaves. [God said He would choose their delusions.]

"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly." (Leviticus 25:44-46)

14 SIGNPOSTS TO SLAVERY

"..... 13. Any attempt to restrict freedom of movement within the United States....."

http://www.barefootsworld.net/14signs.html

Moving right along, aren't they?

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-09-22   5:41:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#7)

"..... 13. Any attempt to restrict freedom of movement within the United States....."

There are no attempts to restrict free movement in America as tens of thousands of people travel each and every day on planes, trains, ships and automobiles.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-09-22   9:58:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Mister Clean (#10) (Edited)

There are no attempts to restrict free movement in America as tens of thousands of people travel each and every day on planes, trains, ships and automobiles.

Uh...did you catch the title of the article?

Do you need an ID to fly on planes, to get on a train, or drive an automobile?

Let's just take the automobile for instance. Can you drive anywhere you want in this country without first having a driving license? [If you say you don't need one, you are tagged as a terrorist, along with all those other defenders of the Constitution: http://www.retakingamerica.com/fbi_flyer_01.html ] Do you have to provide a Social Security number to get a license these days?

Let's see.......

".....Originally, Social Security was known as a voluntary retirement disability benefit program instituted of officers and employees of the Federal sector. Ten years after the advent of Social Security, while there were still less than 800,000 workers participating in the program, U.S. President F.D. Roosevelt issued Executive Order 9397 in 1943. His order urged heads of the federal departments to use the social security account number for record keeping whenever an agency, "establishes a new system of account numbers." Since then, the universal use of the SSN as record identification number rapidly increased in government and private sectors. As use of the SSN as an identifier increased, so did suspicions about its possible relationship to the Biblical prophesy among some Christian's who see the figurative language of Revelation, chapter 13, as having a literal application that they might see in their time.

In Larry Lewis's case, Idaho insists that section 666 of the Social Security Code compels them to deny him a drivers license. Since Idaho receives money from Social Security, the Idaho Attorney General, Lawrence G. Wasden, says that Idaho is obligated to institute all the federal regulations relating to it. Otherwise, Idaho is in danger of not qualifying for federal welfare funds. Section 666 requires all participating States to require "any applicant for professional license, driver's license, occupational license, recreational license, or marriage license" have (their) SSN "recorded on the application." Lawrence G. Wasden argued that the federal requirement, in essence, is absolute and Larry Lewis is therefore not protected by the recently enacted Religious Freedom Restoration Act, Idaho Code §73-401 through 404.

Larry's case is one in a long line of religious liberty challenges to States implementing section 666 of the Social Security Code. ....."

http://www.christianliberty.org/lewis/news1

Now note this:

Hefty Fees In Store for Misbehaving Va. Drivers - Driving without a license? Maybe a $75 fine. Definitely a $900 fee from Virginia. As part of the plan to fund the annual $1 billion transportation package ... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/22/AR2007062201781.html

If you don't have a license, and you get caught, and can't pay the fine, and get thrown in jail, how much freedom of movement will YOU have?

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-09-22   17:08:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#14)

Can you drive anywhere you want in this country without first having a driving license?

The driver's license is not designed to RESTRICT a person's ability to travel.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-09-22   17:27:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Mister Clean (#15)

The driver's license is not designed to RESTRICT a person's ability to travel.

Of course it's not. It's all about SAFETY.

But I don't think that program is working out so good. I'd like to see the stats on the number of accidents caused by folks that don't have a DL compared to those that DO. I have a suspicion that the "unlicensed" ones have a better safety record...

innieway  posted on  2007-09-24   8:51:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: innieway (#71)

I have a suspicion that the "unlicensed" ones have a better safety record...

You suspicion is based on what?

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-09-24   8:53:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Mister Clean (#72)

You suspicion is based on what?

Based upon the admission of a traffic court judge. The last time I went before a judge for a "no DL ticket". I told the judge "This is the only thing I'm ever in here for. I bet you see worse offenses everyday - some of which probably resulted in an accident, which MAY have been a SERIOUS accident no less - and they ALL have a DL."

The judge said "You're right", and proceeded to fine me $1

innieway  posted on  2007-09-24   9:04:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: innieway (#75)

Based upon the admission of a traffic court judge. The last time I went before a judge for a "no DL ticket". I told the judge "This is the only thing I'm ever in here for. I bet you see worse offenses everyday - some of which probably resulted in an accident, which MAY have been a SERIOUS accident no less - and they ALL have a DL."

The judge said "You're right", and proceeded to fine me $1

Has it occurred to you that perhaps since most people have licenses, most accidents would obviously involve licensed drivers?

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-09-24   9:09:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Mister Clean (#77)

Has it occurred to you that perhaps since most people have licenses, most accidents would obviously involve licensed drivers?

Of course.

Can you follow simple math? I'm going to presume you can. Now let's work through this together...

For simplicity's sake lets say we have a group of 10,000 people that have a driver's license, and they collectively cause 300 wrecks. Then we have a group of 100 people that DON'T have a driver's license, and they collectively cause 2 wrecks. Which group has the better "safety record"? Would it be the group that has a 2% accident ratio, or the group that has a 3% accident ratio?

Has it occurred to YOU that perhaps the folks that DON'T have a DL actually pay better attention to their driving? After all they don't want to be speeding, or not fully stopping at stop signs, or not using turn signals, or any of a number of things that may get them pulled over... (When I got the no DL ticket I was talking about the "reason" I got stopped is because the license plate light was not working - unbeknownst to me)

innieway  posted on  2007-09-24   9:38:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#87. To: innieway (#81)

Has it occurred to YOU that perhaps the folks that DON'T have a DL actually pay better attention to their driving?

I doubt there is any evidence to support that idea.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-09-24 18:24:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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