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Title: (NY) Spitzer to let illegal immigrants get driver's licenses
Source: http://www.nynews.com/
URL Source: http://www.nynews.com/apps/pbcs.dll ... AID=/20070922/NEWS05/709220370
Published: Sep 23, 2007
Author: LEAH RAE
Post Date: 2007-09-23 00:53:53 by robin
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New Yorkers will soon be able to get driver's licenses regardless of their immigration status, Gov. Eliot Spitzer announced yesterday in a follow-up to a campaign pledge.

Immigrants will be able to show foreign passports and other identification documents to qualify for licenses - and no longer be denied for lack of Social Security numbers. The policy will start phasing in by year's end.

The decision is a big turnaround at the Department of Motor Vehicles, which under Gov. George Pataki tightened the rules for foreign-born applicants. The DMV barred people from renewing their licenses without valid Social Security numbers, something illegal immigrants would not be able to present.

For at least six years, activists have debated whether to offer licenses to illegal immigrants, as eight states currently allow. Yesterday, both sides framed the argument as a matter of security.

"I think that people should really think about the dangers of having uninsured and unlicensed drivers on the road," said Graciela Heymann, an advocate for the new policy and executive director of the Westchester Hispanic Coalition. State officials said the new policy would reduce the risk posed by drivers who have no insurance and never passed a road test.

But the opponents - who raise the prospect of giving a driver's license to a potential foreign terrorist - said the matter is far from settled.

"I'm going to fight this tooth and nail," Assemblyman Greg Ball, R-Carmel, said. "I think it's unconscionable that the governor of the state of New York would allow for the liberalization of driver's license requirements in the very same state that was devastated on 9/11. This is a matter of national security, homeland security, for New York. ...

"We're just making it easier for those who would wish to harm us to game our system."

State officials said the wider eligibility rules would be accompanied by stronger anti-fraud measures. New document scanners will check the validity of foreign passports and compare an applicant's photo with the ones already in the system. To ensure that illegal immigrants don't flood into New York for licenses, the governor would seek state legislation to make applicants prove that they live within the state. Most changes would be made administratively.

"This proposal is actually going to increase the security of the driver's license that is going to be issued in New York state," said Michael Balboni, the deputy secretary for public safety.

Under the plan, about 152,000 New Yorkers who haven't been able to renew their licenses under the Pataki-era rules would be allowed to do so in December. Then, in April, the new eligibility requirements would apply to all New Yorkers seeking driver's licenses. More than 300,000 people are expected to apply.

State officials did not specify the 14 additional types of documents that would be accepted toward the "six points of ID" application requirement.

Spitzer rejected criticism from those he said "want to live in a world of make-believe" and ignore the presence of an estimated 500,000 undocumented immigrants in New York. He said current policies only encourage people to get false documents.

"We want to live in the world of real, not in the world of rhetoric," he said. "We want to make the state a safer place to live in."

Peter Gadiel, president of 9/11 Families for a Secure America, issued a statement saying, "Terrorists here illegally used licenses to kill my son and thousands of others in the World Trade Center; if they do it again using New York licenses issued by this governor, the blood of the victims will be on Mr. Spitzer's hands."

The 9/11 Commission called for ensuring the reliability of government-issued documents, but stopped short of saying they should be withheld based on immigration status.

Margaret Stock, an associate professor at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, said there's an advantage to getting more immigrants into the license system, along with their photos and addresses. "This is actually a really useful law enforcement database," she said.

License records were used to investigate the Sept. 11 hijackers "to figure out where the terrorists had been, to arrest friends of theirs, to figure out what apartments they'd lived in," she said.

"People seem to think that not having a driver's license stops you from getting on an airplane, but today you can use a passport to get on an airplane," she said. "And anybody who's a foreigner can get a passport."

One complication in the governor's plans could be the federal REAL ID Act of 2005, which will require states to verify immigration status if driver's licenses are to be used for federal purposes.

Asked about that prospect yesterday, the governor said, "We will wait and see what REAL ID requires of us ... and at some point we will get an answer to that."

Reach Leah Rae at 914-694-3526 or lrae@lohud.com.

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#1. To: robin (#0)

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Lod  posted on  2007-09-23   16:10:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: robin (#0)

New Yorkers will soon be able to get driver's licenses regardless of their immigration status, Gov. Eliot Spitzer announced yesterday in a follow-up to a campaign pledge.

www.star-telegram.com/national_news/story/250051.html

Posted on Fri, Sep. 28, 2007

Clerks oppose new driver's license rules

By RICK KARLIN

Albany Times Union

New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer is facing a revolt among upstate county clerks who say they won't go along with his new rule that lets people get driver's licenses even if they might be illegal immigrants.

"Don't send it to me. I'm not going to give a driver's license to someone who cannot prove their legal status in the United States," said Rensselaer County Clerk Frank Merola, the most vociferous opponent so far, who said he plans to turn away those who can't prove they are citizens or who have a visa to be in the U.S.

Instead Merola, whose office is in Troy, said he plans to send those applicants to the state Motor Vehicles Department office in Albany once the new policy is in full effect in May.

"I do not feel comfortable doing this; my staff does not feel comfortable doing this. We were not consulted as to the policy change," Merola said.

Other clerks agree, said Columbia County Clerk Holly Tanner. Of 11 county clerks in the Hudson Valley region, she said eight plan at least some kind of protest against the new policy, and some may refuse to abide by it.

"We do not want to process these documents in our local offices," Tanner said.

The issue arose Sept. 21 when Spitzer rescinded rules adopted four years ago under Gov. George Pataki that outlined the forms of identification that are needed to obtain a driver's license.

Under the new rules, applicants from other countries can use a valid passport but don't need a visa or an "ineligibility letter" from the federal government explaining why they don't have a Social Security card.

Foreign students in the U.S. on study visas, for example, might not have a Social Security card but are here legally.

Critics say the change opens the door for thousands of illegal immigrants to get New York licenses.

"It's contrary to everything that we've been taught," Tanner said.

Tanner conceded that county clerks are considered agents of the governor in motor vehicle matters, which raises a question of whether they may legally turn away applicants.

That requirement was emphasized by Spitzer spokeswoman Christine Anderson. "County clerks are required by law to respond and adapt to Department of Motor Vehicle policy," she said.

Asked what will happen if county clerks go through with their threat, a Spitzer official said the issue will be dealt with then.

nolu_chan  posted on  2007-09-28   20:26:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: nolu_chan (#2)

New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer is facing a revolt among upstate county clerks who say they won't go along with his new rule that lets people get driver's licenses even if they might be illegal immigrants.

surprise!

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robin  posted on  2007-09-28   20:29:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: nolu_chan (#2)

Tanner conceded that county clerks are considered agents of the governor in motor vehicle matters, which raises a question of whether they may legally turn away applicants.

it's past time to worry about what's legal since Spitzer et al pay no attention to law. civil disobedience and revolt is what's called for.

christine  posted on  2007-09-28   20:37:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: robin (#0)

"We're just making it easier for those who would wish to harm us to game our system."

It's been a looooong looooooong time since 9/11 happened. Sympathy for Americans and in particular for New Yorkers is at an all time low on the world's stage. Therefore, tempting fate maybe in order...if you catch my drift....

scrapper2  posted on  2007-09-28   20:40:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: scrapper2 (#5)

Trapped by their own poor lies. But they worked long enough.

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robin  posted on  2007-09-28   20:42:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: christine (#4)

it's past time to worry about what's legal since Spitzer et al pay no attention to law. civil disobedience and revolt is what's called for.

It would be interesting to see if Spitzer would fire or prosecute state employees who refuse to give licenses to illegal aliens. It takes a lot to generate really effective large-scale civil disobedience, but some of these politicians who can't tell the difference between a citizen and an illegal alien are working hard at it.

nolu_chan  posted on  2007-09-28   21:34:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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