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Title: Paul officials deny involvement in Giuliani Mackinac ferry taunting
Source: detroit free press
URL Source: http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ ... ?AID=/20070925/NEWS06/70925040
Published: Sep 25, 2007
Author: Dawson Bell
Post Date: 2007-09-26 12:10:55 by Artisan
Ping List: *Alex Jones*
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Views: 391
Comments: 8

Paul officials deny involvement in Giuliani Mackinac ferry taunting
September 25, 2007

By DAWSON BELL

FREE PRESS LANSING BUREAU

Texas congressman and Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul does not believe that 9/11 was an “inside job” and his campaign distanced itself from a raucous pro-Paul demonstration on a Mackinac Island ferry Friday night, a Paul spokesman said Monday.

In the incident, Paul's supporters taunted former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani for alleged complicity in the attacks.

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Spokesman Jesse Benton said the campaign was aware of Internet reports about the demonstration, which occurred late Friday when Giuliani boarded a ferry loaded with Paul supporters leaving a Michigan GOP conference. No Paul campaign officials were involved, Benton said.

According to one eyewitness, Giuliani was beset by dozens of Paul enthusiasts as he was leaving the island, some of whom shouted taunts about 9/11, including: “9/11 was an inside job” and “Rudy, Rudy, what did you do with the gold?” -- an apparent reference to rumors about $200 million in gold alleged to have disappeared in the collapse of the World Trade Center towers.

Ed Wyszynski, a longtime party activist from Eagle, said the Paul supporters threatened to throw Giuliani overboard and harrassed him as he took shelter in the ferry’s pilothouse for the 15-minute journey back to Mackinaw City.

“It was awful,” said Wyszynski, who supports Mitt Romney for the GOP presidential nomination.

“I was embarrassed to be a Republican. Never, ever, have I seen such a disgraceful performance.”

A blurry video of the incident was posted on the Website http://www.dailypaul.com in which chants of “Ron Paul, Ron Paul” predominate, but also include someone shouting “Lies cannot stand the light of day.”

Several other pro-Paul forums carried triumphant accounts of the event, suggesting that Giuliani was intimidated by the show of support for a rival.

Giuliani campaign spokesman Jeff Barker said Monday that Giuliani was not intimidated, and welcomes exchanges with those who disagee with him. Barker declined to comment on whether or not the ferry passengers accused Giuliani, widely viewed as a stalwart presence in the aftermath of the attacks, with complicity in 9/11.

Paul spokesman Benton said Monday he understood that the group on the ferry, part of an impressive Paul presence at the Republican conference, was excited when Giuliani joined the trip from the island and “turned up the volume to show support” for Paul.

But the Paul campaign had no direct involvement in the incident and does not share the views about 9/11 witnessed by Wyszynski, Benton said.

“They were not employees. They were not enlisted,” he said. If they expressed the view that Giuliani somehow knew in advance about the attacks, they were not representing the campaign, he said.

“If you’re asking whether Ron Paul believes our government was involved” in 9/11, “the answer is unequivocally no,” Benton said. “Ron Paul does not think that 9/11 was an inside job.”

Harrassing Giuliani in that fashion is “not something we would condone in any way.” Benton said.

Giuliani has drawn the ire of both the so-called 9/11 truthers, who don’t believe Islamic jihadists were responsible for the attacks, and Paul supporters, who endorse their candidate’s push for a new commission to review events leading up to the attacks.

Benton said the latter is based on Paul’s belief that another review of 9/11 would reveal additional government incompetence, but not complicity, in what happened.

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#1. To: All (#0)

National review mentioned this article

http://corner.nationalreview.com /post/?q=NDYxZmRmM2Y1ZDkzMDgxNWQ4ODY4NTQ5MzA0ZDMzODI=

Artisan  posted on  2007-09-26   12:12:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Artisan (#0)

If this really happened, it's funny that the Fox News reporters who were on board the ferry with Giuliani (according to this account) never broadcast the incident.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-09-26   12:16:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Artisan (#0)

good job activists - well done.

Did Wuudie cwy?

Join the Ron Paul Revolution

Lod  posted on  2007-09-26   12:23:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: lodwick (#3)

here is the video, seems much ado about nothing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA41dQwvO1c

Artisan  posted on  2007-09-26   12:26:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Artisan (#1)

Rudy can laugh over Paul's responses in a debate and it's not news, but RP shouting "Ron Paul" is threatening act.

No 'journalist' reasons to ask, "Well, where the hell were Giuliani's supporters during all of this?"

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2007-09-26   12:33:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Artisan (#0)

“It was awful,” said Wyszynski, who supports Mitt Romney for the GOP presidential nomination.

No...you know what's awful, you dispicable toady..? The number of innocent people being slaughtered in the Middle East at the behest of neocon butchers like your master Romney. How's that bootleather taste?

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2007-09-26   12:54:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Artisan (#0)

Rick Brookhiser of the "conservative" National Review:

Paulnuts and Giuliani [Rick Brookhiser]

The behavior of the Paulnuts on the Mackinac ferry, noted by David, is a common consequence of pacifism and extreme libertarianism. Both think the state at war is the worst thing in the world. (Extreme libertarians think the state doing most everything else is also bad.) Most—maybe all—libertarians acknowledge a right to self defense. But in the modern world this cannot be done by militias. It requires a military industrial complex, with all the attendant consequences. Some libertarians accept this fact (while proposing modifications). Extreme libertarians do not; therefore they support self defense only in theory.

In any actual situation, the prospect of the state at war is so monstrous that the pacifist/extreme libertarian must prettify or deny the threat, and abuse Cassandras. Thus 9/11 was an inside job, the war on terror is a project of warmongering Jews, Giuliani stole WTC gold, etc., etc.

The honest pacifist/extreme libertarian would say, I will not fight, for any reason, at any time. If evil triumphs, so be it. It will be less evil than my fighting would have been. I at least have preserved my rightness. But that is a hard saying, hence these maneuvers.

Ron Paul is a pencil head, leading a jacquerie of wicked idiots.

Did you all get that?? Not just the coarse abuse at the end: Pace Eisenhower, a "military-industrial complex" is a necessity in this "modern world" (and I suppose, the Constitution a mere relic). Ron Paul supporters are "pacifists," since "extreme libertarians" don't believe in fighting evil, since they consider the State to be the ultimate evil.

You can't make this stuff up: this is the purported face of "conservatism" in our time. If so, I am no goddam "conservative" then.

"Aux armes, citoyens! Formez vos bataillons! Marchons! Marchons! Qu'un sang impur abreuve nos sillons!"

Peetie Wheatstraw  posted on  2007-09-26   16:29:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Artisan (#0)

"Aux armes, citoyens! Formez vos bataillons! Marchons! Marchons! Qu'un sang impur abreuve nos sillons!"

Peetie Wheatstraw  posted on  2007-09-26   16:33:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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