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Title: Why was molten metal present at WTC disaster site?
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URL Source: http://governmentterror.com/#%5B%5B ... e%20Center%20Hot%20Spots%5D%5D
Published: Sep 24, 2007
Author: jakeogh
Post Date: 2007-09-26 22:52:45 by honway
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http://governmentterror.com/#%5B%5BWorld%20Trade%20Center%20Hot%20Spots%5D%5D

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#1. To: All (#0) (Edited)

Red Hot Debris. The removal of debris from the collapsed areas requires the safe lifting and maneuvering of very heavy steel beams, often twisted and tangled from the force of the collapse. Some beams pulled from the wreckage are still red hot more than 7 weeks after the attack, and it is suspected that temperatures beneath the debris pile are well in excess of 1,000°F.

honway  posted on  2007-09-26   22:55:51 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: All (#1)

honway  posted on  2007-09-26   23:00:37 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: All (#2) (Edited)

Red hot metal, 27 September 2001. Picture by Franck Sillechia, ironworker

honway  posted on  2007-09-26   23:02:28 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: All (#3) (Edited)

These sprayers were also used to cool the high temperature debris before it left the site. Several trucks were returned to the site for additional cooling because the law enforcement officers would not let them through the tunnels leaving Manhattan until they stopped steaming.

honway  posted on  2007-09-26   23:04:51 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: All (#4)

honway  posted on  2007-09-26   23:07:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: All (#5)

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=30926
New York visit reveals extent of WTC disaster[molten metal still red hot weeks after the event]

honway  posted on  2007-09-26   23:10:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: All (#6)

Garry

: : Did you ever get hold of Loiseaux? What had he to say : : about your onager assertion there were "puddles of : : steel" in the basement of WTC?

: First, it wasn't "my" assertation, but Loiseax' claim that was reported : by The American Free Press. . . I was trying to guage what might have caused : the melting. The claim that he made was challenged so I emailed him about it, : and was going to try again this week. Second, I think perhaps the "oven" effect : proposed by Robert ASF, I believe, sounds the most plausible, but there isn't : any evidence that took place. The recodring of two seismic spikes prior to : the towers each collapsing is still a mystery, although I don't believe it was : a nuke, ther may have been charges in place to bring down the building in : the event of an imminent collapse as as safety measure that ignited prematurely.

: I will let you know what Mark says.

: Garry

Here is what he wrote to me today at 10:38 PST:

Mr. Bryan:

I didn't personally see molten steel at the World Trade Center site. It was reported to me by contractors we had been working with. Molten steel was encountered primarily during excavation of debris around the South Tower when large hydraulic excavators were digging trenches 2 to 4 meters deep into the compacted/burning debris pile. There are both video tape and still photos of the molten steel being "dipped" out by the buckets of excavators. I'm not sure where you can get a copy.

Sorry I cannot provide personal confirmation.

Regards,

Mark Loizeaux, President
CONTROLLED DEMOLITION, INC.
2737 Merryman's Mill Road
Phoenix, Maryland USA 21131
Tel: 1-410-667-XXXX
Fax: 1-410-667-XXXX
http://www.controlled-demolition.com

honway  posted on  2007-09-26   23:12:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: honway (#0)

Why was molten metal present at WTC disaster site?

Because an unknown number of people with a hidden agenda that hasn't been revealed planted explosives in the WTC towers without anyone knowing about it and this secret group has been able to keep their identities secure!

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-09-26   23:12:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: All (#7)

http://www.spk.usace.army.mil/cespk-pao/jan-02/jan02-01.html

New York City World Trade Center Disaster Deployment

The one word that can be use to describe the scene is AWESOME! The size of everything was enormous. The pile of debris after 30 days of removal operations was still gigantic, over three stories high, with structural steel projecting 7-10 stories into the air. The steam, dust, noise, steel and myriad activities were larger than anything I have ever seen. Temperatures in the pile were over 1,200 °F. Every time an area was opened, fire started in any buried combustible debris. Water trucks and fire engines were used continually. The high temperature debris and water created steam. Dust contained asbestos, silica, metals, molds and mildews.

The dust and other hazardous materials from the debris required sprayers to be set up to wash all trucks exiting the site. These sprayers were also used to cool the high temperature debris before it left the site. Several trucks were returned to the site for additional cooling because the law enforcement officers would not let them through the tunnels leaving Manhattan until they stopped steaming.

The large grapples (over 8’ long fingers) on large hydraulic excavators performed well and accomplished the vast majority of the debris removal. The debris was very hard on the equipment and created severe operating conditions.

honway  posted on  2007-09-26   23:13:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: All (#9)

http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2002/07/77nwash.htm

The Atlantic Monthly | July/August 2002 77 North Washington Street

In his reporting for "American Ground," Langewiesche explored the shifting debris with construction workers and engineers, documenting the crises and questions as they arose. He crawled through "the pile" with survey parties and descended deep below street level to areas where underground fires still burned and steel flowed in molten streams.

honway  posted on  2007-09-26   23:15:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: All (#10)

"He was Richard Garlock, age thirty-three, a boyish looking structural specialist who worked for the Trade Center’s original designer… He would go wandering off through the subterranean ruins, gazing intently through small Spectacles at the columns and beams, often with the hint of a quizzical smile, making notations on his cherished blueprints, with apparently only a vague awareness of the danger signs around him-the jolt of a collapse far below, the rattle of cascading debris, and the ominous groaning of weakened structures overhead, or, in the early days, the streams of molten metal that leaked from the hot cores and flowed down broken walls inside the foundation hole."

American Ground: Unbuilding the World Trade Center
William Langewiesche
Pages 31-32

honway  posted on  2007-09-26   23:22:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: All (#11)

"Much of the underground was intuitively easy to understand. It consisted of parking garages, often in some stage of collapse, where more than a thousand cars now stood abandoned and covered with gray concrete dust. A disproportionate number of the cars were BMW’s Jaguars, Lexuses, and the like- indicating, if nothing else, the preponderance of a certain culture that thrived here. Although a few seemed strangely untouched, most were crushed sliced,blasted, or burned. Along the north side,where the basement structure remained strong and intact(and was ultimately preserved), the fire had been so intense in places that it had consumed the tires and interiors, and had left hulks sitting on axles above hardened pools of aluminum wheels. Three presidential limousines stood in there too, but were locked away, and remained unscathed."

American Ground: Unbuilding the World Trade Center
William Langewiesche
Page 34

honway  posted on  2007-09-26   23:24:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: All (#12)

It (the investigation) was funded with $1 million from the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), and performed under the auspices of the venerable American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE). The team was headed by an understated Midwesterner named W. Gene Corley, who holds a Ph.D. in engineering and is the senior vice-president of a modest research facility north of Chicago. Corley had led the official engineering review of the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995,…

American Ground: Unbuilding the World Trade Center
William Langewiesche
Page 52

honway  posted on  2007-09-26   23:25:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: All (#13)

From Port Authority Transcripts:(B-4 is in the basement)

http://www.firehouse.com/news/wtcscripts/wtc_channel8.pdf

MALE CALLER- B-4 LEVEL: Officer, help. We're down in the B-4 level. This is Turner's field office. There's been a big explosion. We've got water lines open. There seems to be steam and smoke in the area.

.................

MALE CALLER- B-4 LEVEL: It's...yeah, we got smoke. I don't know whether it's from fire, or just dust. We got broken water lines, water all over.

honway  posted on  2007-09-26   23:26:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: All (#14)

(Frank Lombardi was the Port Authority’s chief engineer. His office occupied the southwest corner of the North Tower’s seventy- second floor, …)

“In any case, the first plane came in high and from the other direction – down the Hudson from the north, down Manhattan, and into the North Tower between the ninety-fourth and ninety-eighth floors. When it struck, it blew fuel and debris straight through the building. Lombardi was at his desk. He heard nothing, but felt the tower sway, and saw people in the hallway go air- borne before they fell.”

American Ground: Unbuilding the World Trade Center
William Langewiesche
Page 47

honway  posted on  2007-09-26   23:28:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: All (#15)

http://www.732-2m2m.com/tt/November_Articles.htm#Fire%20May%20Smolder%20for% 20Months

Fire May Smolder for Months

By GREG GITTRICH NY Daily News Staff Writer Nov 1,2001

Girders of red-hot steel driven as many as six stories below ground by the collapse of the World Trade Center are fueling an underground blaze that threatens to smolder and cough up smoke for months.

Firefighters hose down rubble at Ground Zero yesterday.

The unprecedented structural fire does not have enough oxygen to rapidly devour its enormous fuel supply — desks, carpets, computers, paper, cars and other combustible material contained in and under the 110-story twin towers, experts say.

"So what you've got is a smoldering situation," said George Miller, president of the National Association of State Fire Marshals. "Judging from my 32 years of experience, this could burn for a long time."

Exactly how long "a long time" is, no one knows for sure. But fire engineers and safety experts told the Daily News that the blaze likely will continue burning for months — until most of the 1.2 million tons of debris are hauled away.

A fire needs three things to survive: fuel, oxygen and a heat source.

"If you can break that formula in any way, it will go out," said Marko Bourne, a spokesman for the fire administration of the Federal Emergency Management Agency. "The problem is how to do that with this fire."

While the blaze is starved for oxygen, the scalding steel buried below ground will retain its heat until enough air reaches it or water douses it, said Don Carson, a hazardous materials expert for the National Operating Engineers Union.

The jets that exploded into the towers showered them with gallons of jet fuel and raised the temperature of the structural beams to about 2,000 degrees.

"There are pieces of steel being pulled out that are still cherry red," Carson said as he stood amid the smoking debris this week. "It's like the charcoal that you put in your grill. ... You light it and it stays hot."

Firefighters continue to soak the ravaged 17-acre area with water, but the heavy streams seep only so far into the layered debris.

As chunks of steel and concrete are raised by excavation machines, the city's Bravest wet the exposed areas and extinguish flames that erupt from crevices when oxygen rushes in.

"We will put it out," said a Bronx firefighter. "It's just a matter of time."

The Fire Department has yet to declare the blaze under control.

No Blaze Like It

Bourne said the blaze is so "far beyond a normal fire" that it is nearly impossible to draw conclusions about it based on other fires. While it is not unusual for underground fires to smolder for long periods of time, these usually occur in landfills or coal mines.

Several mines in Pennsylvania and Canada have been burning for decades. The classic example cited by experts is a strip mine in Centralia, Pa., that ignited in 1962 and continues to burn.

Forest fires also can rage for months. But Don Smurthwaite of the National Interagency Fire Center said not to come to him for answers to the Ground Zero blaze.

"We can always count on that season-ending event — rain or snow — to take care of the fire," Smurthwaite said. "The fires in the World Trade Center are entirely different. All the fuel they need is right there."

honway  posted on  2007-09-26   23:31:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: All (#16)

http://www.crimelibrary.com/terrorists_spies/terrorists/papd/1.html

Link

Prologue

On the morning of September 11, 2001, as the North Tower of the World Trade Center burned, a bus sped to the scene from the Port Authority Bus Terminal near Times Square in midtown Manhattan. The bus had been commandeered by the Port Authority police to transport officers to assist with the rescue efforts. Among the officers on that bus were Christopher Amoroso, Antonio Rodrigues, Dominick Pezzulo, Will Jimeno and Sergeant John McLoughlin. They could see the inferno in the sky through the bus windows as they approached, each man impatient to get there, all of them eager to do whatever they could to save lives.

Their shift had started routinely that morning at the bus terminal. The rookies, Jimeno, 34, and Pezzulo, 35, were stationed at the terminal entrances, Jimeno at the north entrance on 42nd Street, Pezzulo at the south entrance. Pezzulo and Jimeno were good buddies, having both graduated from the academy nine months earlier. Word had spread quickly that an airplane had struck the World Trade Center. At that point the general assumption was that the collision of American Airlines Flight 11 at 8:46 a.m. was a horrible accident. Sergeant McLoughlin ran through the bus terminal collecting men who wanted to help downtown. Jimeno and Pezzulo immediately volunteered. Officer Christopher Amoroso

When the bus arrived at the site, it was directed to the underground parking garage, passing under the burning North Tower to the South Tower where the men got off. They were one floor below the underground shopping concourse. Sergeant McLoughlin, who had 10 years of experience in emergency services, quickly organized his men, leading them to a storage room where emergency equipment was kept. They loaded a laundry cart with helmets, axes and Scott Airpaks and rushed toward the North Tower, pushing the heavy cart. Officer Jimeno remembers that he had been pushing the cart from behind and Officer Rodrigues told him to shove over so he could help. Officer Amoroso squeezed in next to Rodrigues so that he could push, too.

As they raced toward the North Tower elevators, they heard a loud droning sound that none of them could identify. Jimeno asked Sergeant McLoughlin if this was a “second plane” coming in, and before McLoughlin could answer, the floor shook with the impact of United Flight 175 as it ploughed into the South Tower. The men kept pushing their cart, but the shock waves from the collision rattled everything around them. The floor buckled, and the walls started to crack. The five officers ran for their lives.

Burning jet fuel rushing down elevator shafts from the point of impact on the 81st floor sent a monstrous fireball in their direction. McLoughlin shouted for his men to run to the freight elevators. As they fled, the ceiling gave way and the concourse above crashed down on them, dispersing the fireball. Officer Antonio Rodrigues

The damage was beyond belief, yet some of the lights were still working, and Jimeno could clearly see the destruction all around him. He was on his back, surrounded by debris, his left leg trapped under a slab of concrete. His friend Dominick Pezzulo was face down next to him, covered with plaster dust and chunks of ceiling, but he was alive. Jimeno looked around for the others, calling out to them. Sergeant McLoughlin responded, saying that he was pinned down as well. Jimeno couldn’t see him, but he estimated from the sound of McLoughlin’s voice that he was about 20 feet away. Jimeno called out to Officers Amoroso and Rodrigues, but neither responded. He shouted their names for a full two minutes. Amoroso and Rodrigues had been at the back of the pack as they ran from the fireball. Officer Dominick Pezzulo

Pezzulo, who lifted weights to stay fit, told Jimeno that he was all right and started to dig himself out. When he finally got to his feet, he assured Jimeno that he would get him out. But then a deafening rumble drowned out his words and everything started to shake violently. The two men couldn’t see it, but the South Tower was collapsing. Instinctively Jimeno tried to curl up and protect himself, but there was little time to react and, for Pezzulo, no clear course of escape. New chunks of concrete rained down, and a heavy concrete slab the size of a mattress landed in Pezzulo’s lap.

The dust was thick, clogging the air. Jimeno was coughing, his eyes tearing as he tried to get oriented.

“Dominick!” he called out. “Dominick!”

But then it started all over again. Twenty-nine minutes after the South Tower fell, the North Tower started to collapse.

Jimeno was desperate to get to his friend, but he couldn’t move. When the noise finally subsided, McLoughlin reported that nothing new had hit him, but that he was still trapped. Jimeno could hear Pezzulo’s labored breathing.

“You okay?” he said to his friend. “Dominick? Talk to me.”

“Willy,” Pezzulo said, struggling to get the words out. “Willy, I’m hurt bad.”

honway  posted on  2007-09-26   23:46:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: All (#17)

Five victims of the World Trade Center attack on September 11 spent time recovering at The Burn Center at Saint Barnabas. All of the survivors were burned by flash fires that traveled down elevator shafts and engulfed the lobby of the North Tower after the first plane hit. The five individuals were all treated and eventually released, and three of the victims agreed to be interviewed by various local and national media.

Long Island resident Kenneth Summers, 51, a technical support analyst for Empire Blue Cross and Blue Shield, was pushing through a revolving door of the World Trade Center when the lobby in front of him ignited. The blast hurled him backward through glass and deposited him outside. Mr. Summers, who underwent a number of skin graft operations on his arms and fingers, was helped to safety by a stranger and transported by ferry to Jersey City and then to Saint Barnabas.

Brandon Smith, 39, was trapped in a revolving door minutes after the airline crash. A fireball that came down an elevator shaft exploded into the lobby and scalded the Mountain Lakes resident. Mr. Smith’s condition was initially perilous—he was on a respirator for a week for smoke inhalation damage—and he underwent numerous skin graft operations to repair his hands and ears. Upon his release, Mr. Smith told his story to an audience of fourth and fifth graders at Cedar Grove School as a way to thank the students who had written get-well cards for the five World Trade Center victims at Saint Barnabas.

Bloomfield resident Virginia DiChiara, 44, was one of a few survivors from the bond brokerage firm Cantor Fitzgerald. Only four Cantor Fitzgerald employees who were at work on September 11 survived because they were elsewhere in the building at the time. Ms. DiChiara was inside an elevator bound for the 101st floor and had just reached the 78th floor when an explosion rocked the building. When the elevator doors opened, Ms. DiChiara ran through a curtain of blue flame to get to the hallway beyond. She was the only person to escape from the elevator and was then carried to safety by a colleague.

honway  posted on  2007-09-26   23:59:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: All (#18)

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/ncstmin_oct19-20.htm

Project 3 – Mechanical and Metallurgical Analysis of Structural Steel Dr. Frank W. Gayle, WTC Investigation, Project 3 Leader

PRESENTATION (pdf file)

Dr. Gayle presented an update on Project 3 of the WTC Investigation, Mechanical and Metallurgical Analysis of Structural Steel recovered from the WTC towers.

Q: I have a problem with the statement that the steel collected for the investigation is adequate. If I were doing an accident reconstruction, I would’ve been looking for core columns that were hit by the aircraft. It may be okay from a research perspective. It should not be stated that it is adequate from an investigation point of view.

A: It would have been nice to have, but may have been very hard to find. There is an issue of how the pieces hit would have survived and how they could be identified.

Q: If you go to the site, you look for pieces of the right size, etc. NIST never had the opportunity to do this type of search.

A: The Structural Engineers Association of New York (SEAoNY) started collecting steel in October of 2001. NIST was a member of that team. That team had a list of steel to look for. Some steel had disappeared and was recycled. NIST took over 8 months before the investigation began. We did not have reconstruction in mind. That would have been extremely expensive for us to do. We tried to get all grades of steel. We tried to get pieces from the impact zone, fire affected pieces, etc. If we had the authority, we would have been more aggressive.

Q: That’s what I’m saying. Looking down the road to future incidents, NIST should have the authority to preserve evidence useful for an investigation.

A: We’ll qualify that statement.

Q: The hypothesis is that core columns got above 600 ºC. It would be nice to have pieces of steel to support that hypothesis. You do have trusses from above the floors of impact?

A: None of the trusses could be identified as to location, only the truss seats that were considered part of the panels.

Q: Have you analyzed the truss seats?

A: Yes, but the steel for the truss seats was from various sources, so there was no baseline material for comparison purposes for metallography.

C: As John Barsom said, the statement is not accurate. The validity of the model question from yesterday speaks to this issue. I do not believe that we have enough forensic evidence. It may be okay to establish steel quality. There was no effort by the Building Performance Study team to systematically look at the steel.

C: The use of the term “adequate” needs to be revisited. There is no core column test to support the hypothesis. The floors came down, the slabs were pulverized. This was unprecedented. Exterior columns and core remained. The floors group will attack this finding.

honway  posted on  2007-09-27   0:02:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: honway (#0)

This one little detail is the best evidence that micro nukes were used to break the foundations out of bedrock. In fact, had the steel remained set into bedrock that would have cost too much to remove (nearby buildings would have to be evacuated before charges could be detonated) so they took care of that little detail in the planning stage....

And the angular cuts of the core columns were evidence of thermite.

These bastards took no chances that the remaining debris would require scaffold rental or systematic dismantling of asbestos covered structural steel. And, never mind blasting. Did you even hear of any jack hammering to release steel from bedrock?

And, the deaths of those poor people were necessary for cover, because no one would believe them if they evacuated the towers and then they fell.

The murders were needed so they could say, "Oh my G_d, I didn't expect that! G_d damn those dirty Arabs!" People who tried to leave were turned around and told to return to their work areas.

In fact, these "Arab terrorists" couldn't have done more right by Silverstein if Larry himself had hired them!

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-09-27   2:51:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Mister Clean (#8)

Because an unknown number of people with a hidden agenda that hasn't been revealed planted explosives in the WTC towers without anyone knowing about it and this secret group has been able to keep their identities secure!

Never understood how people can really believe hundreds if not thousands of people will keep their lips zipped their entires lives. No chance at least one will find Jesus, or be afraid his compatriots will kill him ("Two people can keep a secret if one of them is dead"), or get senile when he get older and spills the beans.

We must be dealing with Superman here. Or actually, a whole slew of Lex Luthors.

"He is a very shallow critic who cannot see an eternal rebel in the heart of a conservative." - G.K. Chesterton

YertleTurtle  posted on  2007-09-27   7:42:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: YertleTurtle (#21)

Never understood how people can really believe hundreds if not thousands of people will keep their lips zipped their entires lives. No chance at least one will find Jesus, or be afraid his compatriots will kill him ("Two people can keep a secret if one of them is dead"), or get senile when he get older and spills the beans.

The "unknowns" are the strongest part of any conspiracy theory because they allow never ending flexibility.

The CT'ers have the luxury of not having to worry about specific details concerning the idea that explosives were planted.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-09-27   7:47:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: honway, yertle turtle (#0)

I love this one.

Deek has it right:

FKN Facts 9/11 The Emperors Clothes

"Come, let's play a part in the fulfillment of all this glory and duty. I wish for a bright future for all human beings and the dawn of the liberation of and freedom for all humans, and the rule of love and affection all around the world, as well as the elimination of oppression, hatred, and violence, a wish which I expect will be realized in the near future. -- MAHMOUD AHMADINEJAD

angle  posted on  2007-09-27   8:10:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: HOUNDDAWG (#20)

These bastards took no chances that the remaining debris would require scaffold rental or systematic dismantling of asbestos covered structural steel.

Exactly. At its most basic level, this was insurance fraud and urban renewal, with a vengeance. The damage had to be to WTC, and to the extent possible, only to the WTC assets. That's why almost all the damage was to WTC buildings. That's why they had to collapse onto their own footprints. That's why WTC7 had to fall for no particular reason. That's why the buildings had to be exploded, rather than fall down.

If the buildings had fallen down, the damages to other buildings would have been in the billions, and the liability claims off the chart.

This was a scam for billions, as well as the birth of the Fourth Reich.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-09-27   9:09:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Paul Revere (#24)

You got it.

To the tee.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-09-27   14:57:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: HOUNDDAWG (#25)

Yes, this crime against humanity was planned to the nth degree, complete with guys like Jerome Hauer on TV that morning explaining it to the public and attempting to quell any notions of controlled demolition.

NHS, KROLL, WTC, John O'Neill, Anthrax, and Stephen Hatfill. Only Hauer is connected to all of them.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-09-28   10:43:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: honway (#7)

• April 12, 2004 - In an article published by the alternative newspaper American Free Press, AFP reports that pools of "molten steel" were found in the basements of the WTC 1, 2, and 7 and quotes Mark Loizeaux, the president of Controlled Demolition, Inc, as saying he would have put "explosives in the basement" of the Twin Towers to help bring it down.

NEW SEISMIC DATA REFUTES OFFICIAL EXPLANATION

"Peter Tully, president of Tully Construction of Flushing, N.Y., told AFP that he saw pools of “literally molten steel” at the World Trade Center.

Tully was contracted after the Sept. 11 tragedy to re move the debris from the site.

Tully called Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc. (CDI) of Phoenix, Md., for consultation about removing the debris. CDI calls itself “the innovator and global leader in the controlled demolition and implosion of structures.”

Loizeaux, who cleaned up the bombed Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, arrived at the WTC site two days later and wrote the clean-up plan for the entire operation.

AFP asked Loizeaux about the report of molten steel on the site. “Yes,” he said, “hot spots of molten steel in the basements.”

These incredibly hot areas were found “at the bottoms of the elevator shafts of the main towers, down seven [basement] levels,” Loizeaux said.

The molten steel was found “three, four, and five weeks later, when the rubble was being removed,” Loizeaux said. He said molten steel was also found at 7 WTC, which collapsed mysteriously in the late afternoon.

Asked what could have caused such extreme heat, Tully said, “Think of the jet fuel.”

Loizeaux told AFP that the steel-melting fires were fueled by “paper, carpet and other combustibles packed down the elevator shafts by the tower floors as they ‘pancaked’ into the basement.”

However, some independent investigators dispute this claim, saying kerosene-based jet fuel, paper, or the other combustibles normally found in the towers, cannot generate the heat required to melt steel, especially in an oxygen-poor environment like a deep basement.

Experts disagree that jet-fuel or paper could generate such heat. The foundations of the twin towers were 70 feet deep. At that level, 47 huge box columns, connected to the bedrock, supported the entire gravity load of the structures. The steel walls of these lower box columns were four inches thick. Videos of the North Tower collapse show its communication mast falling first, indicating that the central support columns must have failed at the very beginning of the collapse. Loizeaux told AFP, “Everything went simultaneously.”

Asked if the vertical support columns gave way before the connections between the floors and the columns, Ron Hamburger, a structural engineer with the FEMA assessment team said, “That’s the $64,000 question.”

Loizeaux said, “If I were to bring the towers down, I would put explosives in the basement to get the weight of the building to help collapse the structure.” - AFP (04/12/04)

(See also: September 22, 2001 - CDI hired to help clean up WTC & their president said knew towers were 'coming down' after planes hit)

http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2004.html#April12,2004-Loizeaux_WTC

• September 22, 2001 - The demolition company Controlled Demolition Inc. (CDI) is hired to help clean up the World Trade Center disaster, their president, Mark Loizeaux, had said that he knew that the Twin Towers were "coming down" after the planes struck them, and his company "without a doubt" would have been called to demo the WTC if they had not collapsed after the attacks.

Construction Company Proposes Plan for WTC Site

"Phoenix, Md.-based Controlled Demolition Inc. (CDI) has developed a plan that may be used to clean up the World Trade Center (WTC) disaster. The plan, delivered on Sept. 22 to the city's Department of Design and Construction, outlines a site-wide master plan.

Among other things, CDI recommends that the steel beam structures be removed first and that attention must be paid to restoring transit service in the area. With regard to the steel structures, CDI recommends that workers use liquid oxygen-propane torches to prevent the steel from welding back, which could slow operations.

CDI also asserts that maintaining the slurry wall beneath the foundation is important to keep it from collapsing and suggests implementing a slurry wall tieback system." - Waste Age (10/16/01)

Bringing Down The House

"Mark Loizeaux likens it to the best shots of a golf game when he's "in the zone"--completely in control, master of his domain.

It is an immutable law: Any structure that goes up will eventually come down--by the laws of nature or the will of man. The bigger, more difficult ones will be razed in seconds with spectacular explosive elegance by experts in the art and science of controlled demolition.

The technique was pioneered by the late Jack Loizeaux, who began as a forester in Baltimore. "We kick out the supports, and the good Lord and gravity do the rest," he liked to say.

In 1960, when Jack incorporated the business, Mark, 13, was already working with his father after school. Doug joined in 1972, and in 1991, Mark's daughter Stacey, 32, became the third generation of America's first family of Unbuilders. By now Maryland-based Controlled Demolition Inc. has brought down thousands of structures, reportedly more than all its global competitors combined.

Anyone with rudimentary knowledge of blasting techniques can blow up a building. The Loizeauxs implode things down. They collapse a structure inward within its footprint or lay it down in a predetermined direction to avoid collateral damage to adjacent structures. After a detailed structural analysis, they use a minimum amount of explosives strategically placed in holes drilled in critical support columns or strapped to support beams. These are detonated in an exquisitely timed sequence lasting from milliseconds to a full nine seconds. Weight and gravity do the rest. Some Loizeaux techniques developed over the decades are proprietary and the principal reason for their commercial success and safety record. Their implosions have never caused a death or injury.

The tools of destruction range from standard dynamite, used to shatter concrete, to linear shaped charges that concentrate the force of a high explosive called RDX, slicing through steel with millions of pounds of pressure per square inch. In a 2001 project, for example, it took a mere 80 pounds of shaped charges to bring down each of two New York gas storage tanks built with 5 million pounds of steel.

There is a more somber side to CDI's work. In 1995, the company was asked to demolish the remains of Oklahoma City's Alfred P. Murrah Building, blown up by Timothy McVeigh. The Murrah building was a prelude to the greater disaster of Sept. 11, 2001. Like most Americans, the Loizeauxs were transfixed by the televised scenes of destruction shortly after the first jet struck. But as experts in buildings' vulnerabilities, they knew right away what few Americans realized. "I told Doug immediately that the tower was coming down, and when the second tower was hit, that it would follow," remembers Mark.

Horrified, the Loizeaux brothers watched first responders streaming into the doomed towers and tried frantically, and unsuccessfully, to phone in warnings. In the following days, CDI was called to ground zero to consult on safety and develop plans for demolition and debris removal. What if the twin towers, though badly damaged, had somehow remained standing? Without doubt, the Loizeaux family would have been called upon to bring them down. "Quite simply," says Mark in a rare moment of introspective uncertainty, "I don't know how we would have done it." - USNews / Pg 2 (06/06/03)

(See also: July 15, 2001 - CDI implodes two 400-foot-high gas tanks near the WTC; December 2002 - CDI's is demolishing the facility at Fort Detrick that made weapons-grade anthrax; April 12, 2004 - Mark Loizeaux is reported by AFP saying he would have put explosives in the basement of the Twin Towers to help bring it down)

http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September22,2001-CDI_plan

[note: A few years ago, Fox News in DC did a story on CDI, because it was being featured at the Science Museum in Baltimore. They kept showing a demolition of a skyscraper, looking for all the world like the collapse of the WTC. The daughter was on the program, and she mentioned there were six of them, if I recall correctly in the firm who knew how to do it. Then she mentioned her EX-husband knew how, but he was no longer with the firm.]

• July 15, 2001 - Two 400-foot-high gas tanks, known as the Maspeth Avenue Holders, are imploded by Controlled Demolition, Inc (CDI) near the WTC.

The Tanks Came Tumbling Down

"Area residents expressed concern that the demolition would release lead dust into the atmosphere, although KeySpan officials said the process would be closely monitored and that before the demolition most of the paint on the 400-foot-high tanks had been taped over or scraped off. However, some residents and environmental activists felt that removing the remnants of the tanks would pose a danger at least as great as the implosion itself. "There's an enormous amount of steel that has to be cut up," the owner of a Flushing-based business, who filed an affidavit supporting a coalition of groups from Greenpoint and Williamsburg that sought unsuccessfully to block the tanks' demolition, noted. KeySpan uses mechanized scissor-like devices to cut up the steel skin of the tanks, rather than torches, to avoid vaporizing the lead paint. In addition, KeySpan also laid down a special fabric cover to shield nearby buildings and vacuumed streets after the implosion.

The first of the two tanks was built in 1927, followed in 1948 by its twin. The structures were known as the Maspeth Avenue Holders and were once used to provide constant pressure in residential gas lines. The holders were last used in 1992 and 1997, respectively. KeySpan, formerly Brooklyn Union Gas, received a permit to implode the tanks from the city Department of Buildings in April.

Company officials announced the demolition plans at a community board meeting in June and met with neighborhood groups on Monday, July 11, to inform them as to what precautions were being taken to prevent lead dust from permeating the area. Many area residents felt that the precautions were inadequate and also expressed concern that KeySpan had waited until demolition of the tanks was imminent to inform them that the implosion was scheduled.

Cleanup of the remnants of the tanks and the debris following the implosion is expected to take approximately three months. KeySpan has said it has no immediate plans for the land." - Queens Gazette (07/18/01)

Phillyblast Was Here:

"Structures: Keyspan Gas Holder No. 1 and Holder No. 2 (formerly known as the Maspeth Holders)

City: Brooklyn, NY (Greenpoint area)

Location: Maspeth Ave. between Morgan Ave. and Vandervooft Ave.

Date & Time: July 15, 2001 - 7:02 am

Implosion Contractor: Controlled Demolition, Inc.

General Contractor: Mercer Wrecking

Height: Almost 400 feet tall each

Explosives: 750 lbs. of shaped charges (375 per holder) and 25 lbs. conventional charges (12.5 per holder)

This implosion of two gigantic gas holders is to date one of the most unusual blasts we've ever seen, and photographically speaking, one of the most challenging." - Phillyblast

"Brooklyn Gas Holders , Maspeth, New York Photo Courtesy of: Controlled Demolition, Inc." - Seismic Surveys

- Twin gas tanks' demolition foreshadows Twin Towers' demolition - Online Journal (05/17/06)

- Video of demolition: youtube, setstatic.net. Map: google

(See also: September 22, 2001 - CDI is hired to help clean up at Ground Zero)

http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#July15,2001-CDI_Maspeth_tanks_demo

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[an aside: the entry prior to this:

• July 10, 2001 - FBI agent Kenneth Williams urges the bureau's headquarters in his "Phoenix memo" to investigate Middle Eastern men enrolled in American flight schools who are supporters of Osama bin Laden, suggesting the schools could be used for terror operations.

Flight School Memo Named Bin Laden

"A memo by an FBI agent last summer urged the bureau's headquarters to investigate Middle Eastern men enrolled in American flight schools and named Osama bin Laden, suggesting followers could use the schools for terror operations, the New York Times reported Wednesday.

The memorandum said bin Laden's groups might be sending students to the flight schools to place Islamic militants in the civil aviation industry around the world, the report added, citing government officials.” - CBS (05/15/02)

Senators question 'Phoenix memo' author

"The so-called "Phoenix memo," written July 10, 2001, by FBI agent Kenneth Williams, cited supporters of Osama bin Laden "attending civil aviation universities/colleges in Arizona."

The memo apparently never reached the highest levels of the FBI, the CIA or the Justice Department until after September 11. It states that law enforcement officials began examining questions about Arab students attending U.S. flight schools in April 2000, almost 17 months before the September 11 terrorist attacks. It is under renewed scrutiny amid questions over whether the government missed clues that might have alerted authorities to impending attacks on New York and Washington." - CNN (05/21/02)

- Copy of the "Phoenix memo" at: thememoryhole.org

(See also: May 4, 2002 - Agent's "Phoenix memo" warning doesn't reach top gov't departments until after 9/11)

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I find this curious. CDI was based in PHOENIX, Maryland, and the Pentagon renovation project was also known as the PHOENIX Project. A phoenix 'rises out of the ashes']

http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#July15,2001-CDI_Maspeth_tanks_demo

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December 2002 - Controlled Demolition, Inc's current project is demolishing the facility at Fort Detrick that made weapons-grade anthrax.

Survival Guide: Mark Loizeaux, demolition expert

"Mark Loizeaux is a demolition expert, and his company, Controlled Demolition Inc. in Phoenix, Md., has taken down more than 7,000 structures around the world by imploding them with explosive charges. But that is only about 15 percent of the company's business. Founded by Loizeaux's father, the company also carries out traditional dismantlings of buildings as well as destroying chemical weapons production facilities, including a current project at Fort Detrick, Md., to demolish the facility that made weapons-grade anthrax. The company also destroys chemical weapons and missiles." - Washington Technology (12/16/02)

Building 470 dismantling complete

"Building 470 was completed in 1953 at a cost of $1.3 million. As part of the nation's Cold War defense against the continuing threat of biological warfare, the building served as a pilot plant for production of bacteria with potential as weapons: Bacillus anthracis, the causative agent of anthrax; Francisella tularensis, the cause of tularemia, or rabbit fever; and Brucella suis, which causes brucellosis, sometimes called undulant fever.

Controlled Demolition, Inc., the firm chosen for the dismantling work was sensitive to the needs of NCI-Frederick and Fort Detrick..." - DCMilitary.com (01/22/04)

(See also: September 22, 2001 - CDI hired to help clean up WTC & their president said knew towers were 'coming down' after planes hit; October 5, 2001 - First anthrax victim was photo editor at National Enquirer company which published a photo of Bush's daughter Jenna shown drunk with a cigarette in her hand falling on top of another girl)

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• December 10, 2002 - WTC surveillance tapes and maintenance logs are among the missing evidence as investigators try to figure out why the WTC collapsed.

WTC surveillance tapes feared missing

"Surveillance tapes and maintenance logs are among the missing evidence as investigators try to figure out why the World Trade Center collapsed, federal officials said Monday.

Many documents destroyed in the disaster "are pretty key in carrying out the work," lead investigator Shyam Sunder said.

The 110-story towers collapsed after two hijacked jetliners plowed into the buildings in lower Manhattan on Sept. 11, 2001. Nearly 2,800 people were killed. Two hypotheses on the cause of the collapse have emerged since the National Institute of Standards and Technology began its $23 million probe three months ago.

Both theories agree the jetliners damaged floor joints and columns inside and outside the buildings. But they vary on whether the fire-weakened columns failed and alone brought down the buildings or whether floor trusses sagged in the intense heat, pulling the columns inward to collapse.

The lost records probably contain vital information that could help answer questions, Sunder said. Investigators are trying to locate copies of many destroyed documents from the building's owners and city agencies.

Also missing are the original contract specifications for the buildings from the early 1970s. Many believed the towers were built to withstand the impact of a Boeing 707 - the largest aircraft at the time, but much smaller than the jets that crashed into the buildings.

Researchers plan to spend two years on the study. They will analyze trade center wreckage, rely on steel manufacturing experts and interview survivors, victims' relatives and rescue workers.

They have also created a database of more than 1,900 photographs shot that day as the towers burned and fell and are asking for more. They are especially interested in photographs showing the south face of 7 World Trade Center, which was not hit by a plane but burned for hours before collapsing." - Fort Wayne News Sentinel/AP (12/10/02) [Archived: WayBack Machine]

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• December 11, 2002 - Palestinian man claims a Mossad agent sought to induce him to set up a fake Al-Qaeda cell in Gaza and to declare responsibility for bombings in the name of Al-Qaeda.

"A Palestinian citizen from Gaza has revealed how the Israeli intelligence Service, the Mossad, had been trying to enlist him to set up a terrorist cell in Palestine under the name of al-Qaeda, the group headed by Osama bin Laden.

Ibrahim (not his real name) said during a news conference in Gaza Monday night that he had been contacted by a man who identified himself as Haj Yousuf from the city of Akka, who told him that he was working for Osama Bin Laden and that he was able to carry out bombings in Tel Aviv and Haifa and other Israeli towns. He told me that all he wanted from me was to declare responsibility for the bombings in the name of al-Qaida, said the masked Ibrahim.

He spoke very nicely and told me he would help me financially; then he asked me to try to enlist a number of sincere Islamic-minded youths to set up al-Qaeda cell in Gaza.

Ibrahim said his contacts with Haj Yousuf (the Mossad agents) became more frequent, adding that at one point the Mossad agent offered him a monthly salary of up to 3000 US dollars.

At a later date, the Mossad agent asked Ibrahim to rent an apartment in Gaza in order to facilitate communications between them. He also promised to provide Ibrahim with a computer and fax machine, saying that communication between the two would be conducted via the internet.

However, Ibrahim, said he began to be suspicious of the man when he told him that he knew him and his family.

Ibrahim said his contacts with Haj Yousuf lasted for five months after which he decided to inform the Preventive Security Force in Gaza of the entire affair. The Israeli government and media have been dumbfounded by the revelation. A spokesman at the Israeli Prime Ministers office issued a terse statement on Tuesday describing these allegations as nonsense.

Earlier, a gleeful-looking Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon told reporters that Israel had discovered an al Qaeda cell in Gaza and that Israel was a key partner in the worldwide war against terror.

The Israeli claims were instantly and vehemently denied by the Palestinian Authority whose leader Yasser Arafat labeled Sharons remarks as a big, big, big lie.

Moreover, the PA briefed the US, EU, Russia and the UN on the affair and urged them to be mindful of Israeli designs to carry out massacres and acts of wanton killings in the Gaza Strip under the false rubric of fighting al-Qaeda." - Arabia Online (12/11/02) [WayBack Machine]

http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2002.html#December2002-CDI_FtDetrick

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