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Title: Why was molten metal present at WTC disaster site?
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URL Source: http://governmentterror.com/#%5B%5B ... e%20Center%20Hot%20Spots%5D%5D
Published: Sep 24, 2007
Author: jakeogh
Post Date: 2007-09-26 22:52:45 by honway
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Views: 262
Comments: 27

http://governmentterror.com/#%5B%5BWorld%20Trade%20Center%20Hot%20Spots%5D%5D

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Red Hot Debris. The removal of debris from the collapsed areas requires the safe lifting and maneuvering of very heavy steel beams, often twisted and tangled from the force of the collapse. Some beams pulled from the wreckage are still red hot more than 7 weeks after the attack, and it is suspected that temperatures beneath the debris pile are well in excess of 1,000°F.

honway  posted on  2007-09-26   22:55:51 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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honway  posted on  2007-09-26   23:00:37 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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Red hot metal, 27 September 2001. Picture by Franck Sillechia, ironworker

honway  posted on  2007-09-26   23:02:28 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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These sprayers were also used to cool the high temperature debris before it left the site. Several trucks were returned to the site for additional cooling because the law enforcement officers would not let them through the tunnels leaving Manhattan until they stopped steaming.

honway  posted on  2007-09-26   23:04:51 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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honway  posted on  2007-09-26   23:07:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=30926
New York visit reveals extent of WTC disaster[molten metal still red hot weeks after the event]

honway  posted on  2007-09-26   23:10:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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Garry

: : Did you ever get hold of Loiseaux? What had he to say : : about your onager assertion there were "puddles of : : steel" in the basement of WTC?

: First, it wasn't "my" assertation, but Loiseax' claim that was reported : by The American Free Press. . . I was trying to guage what might have caused : the melting. The claim that he made was challenged so I emailed him about it, : and was going to try again this week. Second, I think perhaps the "oven" effect : proposed by Robert ASF, I believe, sounds the most plausible, but there isn't : any evidence that took place. The recodring of two seismic spikes prior to : the towers each collapsing is still a mystery, although I don't believe it was : a nuke, ther may have been charges in place to bring down the building in : the event of an imminent collapse as as safety measure that ignited prematurely.

: I will let you know what Mark says.

: Garry

Here is what he wrote to me today at 10:38 PST:

Mr. Bryan:

I didn't personally see molten steel at the World Trade Center site. It was reported to me by contractors we had been working with. Molten steel was encountered primarily during excavation of debris around the South Tower when large hydraulic excavators were digging trenches 2 to 4 meters deep into the compacted/burning debris pile. There are both video tape and still photos of the molten steel being "dipped" out by the buckets of excavators. I'm not sure where you can get a copy.

Sorry I cannot provide personal confirmation.

Regards,

Mark Loizeaux, President
CONTROLLED DEMOLITION, INC.
2737 Merryman's Mill Road
Phoenix, Maryland USA 21131
Tel: 1-410-667-XXXX
Fax: 1-410-667-XXXX
http://www.controlled-demolition.com

honway  posted on  2007-09-26   23:12:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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http://www.spk.usace.army.mil/cespk-pao/jan-02/jan02-01.html

New York City World Trade Center Disaster Deployment

The one word that can be use to describe the scene is AWESOME! The size of everything was enormous. The pile of debris after 30 days of removal operations was still gigantic, over three stories high, with structural steel projecting 7-10 stories into the air. The steam, dust, noise, steel and myriad activities were larger than anything I have ever seen. Temperatures in the pile were over 1,200 °F. Every time an area was opened, fire started in any buried combustible debris. Water trucks and fire engines were used continually. The high temperature debris and water created steam. Dust contained asbestos, silica, metals, molds and mildews.

The dust and other hazardous materials from the debris required sprayers to be set up to wash all trucks exiting the site. These sprayers were also used to cool the high temperature debris before it left the site. Several trucks were returned to the site for additional cooling because the law enforcement officers would not let them through the tunnels leaving Manhattan until they stopped steaming.

The large grapples (over 8’ long fingers) on large hydraulic excavators performed well and accomplished the vast majority of the debris removal. The debris was very hard on the equipment and created severe operating conditions.

honway  posted on  2007-09-26   23:13:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2002/07/77nwash.htm

The Atlantic Monthly | July/August 2002 77 North Washington Street

In his reporting for "American Ground," Langewiesche explored the shifting debris with construction workers and engineers, documenting the crises and questions as they arose. He crawled through "the pile" with survey parties and descended deep below street level to areas where underground fires still burned and steel flowed in molten streams.

honway  posted on  2007-09-26   23:15:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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"He was Richard Garlock, age thirty-three, a boyish looking structural specialist who worked for the Trade Center’s original designer… He would go wandering off through the subterranean ruins, gazing intently through small Spectacles at the columns and beams, often with the hint of a quizzical smile, making notations on his cherished blueprints, with apparently only a vague awareness of the danger signs around him-the jolt of a collapse far below, the rattle of cascading debris, and the ominous groaning of weakened structures overhead, or, in the early days, the streams of molten metal that leaked from the hot cores and flowed down broken walls inside the foundation hole."

American Ground: Unbuilding the World Trade Center
William Langewiesche
Pages 31-32

honway  posted on  2007-09-26   23:22:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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"Much of the underground was intuitively easy to understand. It consisted of parking garages, often in some stage of collapse, where more than a thousand cars now stood abandoned and covered with gray concrete dust. A disproportionate number of the cars were BMW’s Jaguars, Lexuses, and the like- indicating, if nothing else, the preponderance of a certain culture that thrived here. Although a few seemed strangely untouched, most were crushed sliced,blasted, or burned. Along the north side,where the basement structure remained strong and intact(and was ultimately preserved), the fire had been so intense in places that it had consumed the tires and interiors, and had left hulks sitting on axles above hardened pools of aluminum wheels. Three presidential limousines stood in there too, but were locked away, and remained unscathed."

American Ground: Unbuilding the World Trade Center
William Langewiesche
Page 34

honway  posted on  2007-09-26   23:24:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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It (the investigation) was funded with $1 million from the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), and performed under the auspices of the venerable American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE). The team was headed by an understated Midwesterner named W. Gene Corley, who holds a Ph.D. in engineering and is the senior vice-president of a modest research facility north of Chicago. Corley had led the official engineering review of the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995,…

American Ground: Unbuilding the World Trade Center
William Langewiesche
Page 52

honway  posted on  2007-09-26   23:25:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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From Port Authority Transcripts:(B-4 is in the basement)

http://www.firehouse.com/news/wtcscripts/wtc_channel8.pdf

MALE CALLER- B-4 LEVEL: Officer, help. We're down in the B-4 level. This is Turner's field office. There's been a big explosion. We've got water lines open. There seems to be steam and smoke in the area.

.................

MALE CALLER- B-4 LEVEL: It's...yeah, we got smoke. I don't know whether it's from fire, or just dust. We got broken water lines, water all over.

honway  posted on  2007-09-26   23:26:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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(Frank Lombardi was the Port Authority’s chief engineer. His office occupied the southwest corner of the North Tower’s seventy- second floor, …)

“In any case, the first plane came in high and from the other direction – down the Hudson from the north, down Manhattan, and into the North Tower between the ninety-fourth and ninety-eighth floors. When it struck, it blew fuel and debris straight through the building. Lombardi was at his desk. He heard nothing, but felt the tower sway, and saw people in the hallway go air- borne before they fell.”

American Ground: Unbuilding the World Trade Center
William Langewiesche
Page 47

honway  posted on  2007-09-26   23:28:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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http://www.732-2m2m.com/tt/November_Articles.htm#Fire%20May%20Smolder%20for% 20Months

Fire May Smolder for Months

By GREG GITTRICH NY Daily News Staff Writer Nov 1,2001

Girders of red-hot steel driven as many as six stories below ground by the collapse of the World Trade Center are fueling an underground blaze that threatens to smolder and cough up smoke for months.

Firefighters hose down rubble at Ground Zero yesterday.

The unprecedented structural fire does not have enough oxygen to rapidly devour its enormous fuel supply — desks, carpets, computers, paper, cars and other combustible material contained in and under the 110-story twin towers, experts say.

"So what you've got is a smoldering situation," said George Miller, president of the National Association of State Fire Marshals. "Judging from my 32 years of experience, this could burn for a long time."

Exactly how long "a long time" is, no one knows for sure. But fire engineers and safety experts told the Daily News that the blaze likely will continue burning for months — until most of the 1.2 million tons of debris are hauled away.

A fire needs three things to survive: fuel, oxygen and a heat source.

"If you can break that formula in any way, it will go out," said Marko Bourne, a spokesman for the fire administration of the Federal Emergency Management Agency. "The problem is how to do that with this fire."

While the blaze is starved for oxygen, the scalding steel buried below ground will retain its heat until enough air reaches it or water douses it, said Don Carson, a hazardous materials expert for the National Operating Engineers Union.

The jets that exploded into the towers showered them with gallons of jet fuel and raised the temperature of the structural beams to about 2,000 degrees.

"There are pieces of steel being pulled out that are still cherry red," Carson said as he stood amid the smoking debris this week. "It's like the charcoal that you put in your grill. ... You light it and it stays hot."

Firefighters continue to soak the ravaged 17-acre area with water, but the heavy streams seep only so far into the layered debris.

As chunks of steel and concrete are raised by excavation machines, the city's Bravest wet the exposed areas and extinguish flames that erupt from crevices when oxygen rushes in.

"We will put it out," said a Bronx firefighter. "It's just a matter of time."

The Fire Department has yet to declare the blaze under control.

No Blaze Like It

Bourne said the blaze is so "far beyond a normal fire" that it is nearly impossible to draw conclusions about it based on other fires. While it is not unusual for underground fires to smolder for long periods of time, these usually occur in landfills or coal mines.

Several mines in Pennsylvania and Canada have been burning for decades. The classic example cited by experts is a strip mine in Centralia, Pa., that ignited in 1962 and continues to burn.

Forest fires also can rage for months. But Don Smurthwaite of the National Interagency Fire Center said not to come to him for answers to the Ground Zero blaze.

"We can always count on that season-ending event — rain or snow — to take care of the fire," Smurthwaite said. "The fires in the World Trade Center are entirely different. All the fuel they need is right there."

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