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Title: Why was molten metal present at WTC disaster site?
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Published: Sep 24, 2007
Author: jakeogh
Post Date: 2007-09-26 22:52:45 by honway
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http://governmentterror.com/#%5B%5BWorld%20Trade%20Center%20Hot%20Spots%5D%5D Introduction to this important article from 911 blogger: "This is an extremely comprehensive site about the WTC "hot spots", "molten metal" and related issues, with great images, some of which I've never seen before. Definitely worth looking at, or studying."
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Red Hot Debris. The removal of debris from the collapsed areas requires the safe lifting and maneuvering of very heavy steel beams, often twisted and tangled from the force of the collapse. Some beams pulled from the wreckage are still red hot more than 7 weeks after the attack, and it is suspected that temperatures beneath the debris pile are well in excess of 1,000°F.
Red hot metal, 27 September 2001. Picture by Franck Sillechia, ironworker
These sprayers were also used to cool the high temperature debris before it left the site. Several trucks were returned to the site for additional cooling because the law enforcement officers would not let them through the tunnels leaving Manhattan until they stopped steaming.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=30926
Garry : : Did you ever get hold of Loiseaux? What had he to say : : about your onager assertion there were "puddles of : : steel" in the basement of WTC? : First, it wasn't "my" assertation, but Loiseax' claim that was reported : by The American Free Press. . . I was trying to guage what might have caused : the melting. The claim that he made was challenged so I emailed him about it, : and was going to try again this week. Second, I think perhaps the "oven" effect : proposed by Robert ASF, I believe, sounds the most plausible, but there isn't : any evidence that took place. The recodring of two seismic spikes prior to : the towers each collapsing is still a mystery, although I don't believe it was : a nuke, ther may have been charges in place to bring down the building in : the event of an imminent collapse as as safety measure that ignited prematurely. : I will let you know what Mark says. : Garry Here is what he wrote to me today at 10:38 PST: Mr. Bryan: I didn't personally see molten steel at the World Trade Center site. It was reported to me by contractors we had been working with. Molten steel was encountered primarily during excavation of debris around the South Tower when large hydraulic excavators were digging trenches 2 to 4 meters deep into the compacted/burning debris pile. There are both video tape and still photos of the molten steel being "dipped" out by the buckets of excavators. I'm not sure where you can get a copy. Sorry I cannot provide personal confirmation. Regards, Mark Loizeaux, President
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http://www.spk.usace.army.mil/cespk-pao/jan-02/jan02-01.html New York City World Trade Center Disaster Deployment The one word that can be use to describe the scene is AWESOME! The size of everything was enormous. The pile of debris after 30 days of removal operations was still gigantic, over three stories high, with structural steel projecting 7-10 stories into the air. The steam, dust, noise, steel and myriad activities were larger than anything I have ever seen. Temperatures in the pile were over 1,200 °F. Every time an area was opened, fire started in any buried combustible debris. Water trucks and fire engines were used continually. The high temperature debris and water created steam. Dust contained asbestos, silica, metals, molds and mildews. The dust and other hazardous materials from the debris required sprayers to be set up to wash all trucks exiting the site. These sprayers were also used to cool the high temperature debris before it left the site. Several trucks were returned to the site for additional cooling because the law enforcement officers would not let them through the tunnels leaving Manhattan until they stopped steaming. The large grapples (over 8’ long fingers) on large hydraulic excavators performed well and accomplished the vast majority of the debris removal. The debris was very hard on the equipment and created severe operating conditions.
• April 12, 2004 - In an article published by the alternative newspaper American Free Press, AFP reports that pools of "molten steel" were found in the basements of the WTC 1, 2, and 7 and quotes Mark Loizeaux, the president of Controlled Demolition, Inc, as saying he would have put "explosives in the basement" of the Twin Towers to help bring it down. NEW SEISMIC DATA REFUTES OFFICIAL EXPLANATION "Peter Tully, president of Tully Construction of Flushing, N.Y., told AFP that he saw pools of “literally molten steel” at the World Trade Center. Tully was contracted after the Sept. 11 tragedy to re move the debris from the site. Tully called Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc. (CDI) of Phoenix, Md., for consultation about removing the debris. CDI calls itself “the innovator and global leader in the controlled demolition and implosion of structures.” Loizeaux, who cleaned up the bombed Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, arrived at the WTC site two days later and wrote the clean-up plan for the entire operation. AFP asked Loizeaux about the report of molten steel on the site. “Yes,” he said, “hot spots of molten steel in the basements.” These incredibly hot areas were found “at the bottoms of the elevator shafts of the main towers, down seven [basement] levels,” Loizeaux said. The molten steel was found “three, four, and five weeks later, when the rubble was being removed,” Loizeaux said. He said molten steel was also found at 7 WTC, which collapsed mysteriously in the late afternoon. Asked what could have caused such extreme heat, Tully said, “Think of the jet fuel.” Loizeaux told AFP that the steel-melting fires were fueled by “paper, carpet and other combustibles packed down the elevator shafts by the tower floors as they ‘pancaked’ into the basement.” However, some independent investigators dispute this claim, saying kerosene-based jet fuel, paper, or the other combustibles normally found in the towers, cannot generate the heat required to melt steel, especially in an oxygen-poor environment like a deep basement. Experts disagree that jet-fuel or paper could generate such heat. The foundations of the twin towers were 70 feet deep. At that level, 47 huge box columns, connected to the bedrock, supported the entire gravity load of the structures. The steel walls of these lower box columns were four inches thick. Videos of the North Tower collapse show its communication mast falling first, indicating that the central support columns must have failed at the very beginning of the collapse. Loizeaux told AFP, “Everything went simultaneously.” Asked if the vertical support columns gave way before the connections between the floors and the columns, Ron Hamburger, a structural engineer with the FEMA assessment team said, “That’s the $64,000 question.” Loizeaux said, “If I were to bring the towers down, I would put explosives in the basement to get the weight of the building to help collapse the structure.” - AFP (04/12/04) (See also: September 22, 2001 - CDI hired to help clean up WTC & their president said knew towers were 'coming down' after planes hit) http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2004.html#April12,2004-Loizeaux_WTC • September 22, 2001 - The demolition company Controlled Demolition Inc. (CDI) is hired to help clean up the World Trade Center disaster, their president, Mark Loizeaux, had said that he knew that the Twin Towers were "coming down" after the planes struck them, and his company "without a doubt" would have been called to demo the WTC if they had not collapsed after the attacks. Construction Company Proposes Plan for WTC Site "Phoenix, Md.-based Controlled Demolition Inc. (CDI) has developed a plan that may be used to clean up the World Trade Center (WTC) disaster. The plan, delivered on Sept. 22 to the city's Department of Design and Construction, outlines a site-wide master plan. Among other things, CDI recommends that the steel beam structures be removed first and that attention must be paid to restoring transit service in the area. With regard to the steel structures, CDI recommends that workers use liquid oxygen-propane torches to prevent the steel from welding back, which could slow operations. CDI also asserts that maintaining the slurry wall beneath the foundation is important to keep it from collapsing and suggests implementing a slurry wall tieback system." - Waste Age (10/16/01) Bringing Down The House "Mark Loizeaux likens it to the best shots of a golf game when he's "in the zone"--completely in control, master of his domain. It is an immutable law: Any structure that goes up will eventually come down--by the laws of nature or the will of man. The bigger, more difficult ones will be razed in seconds with spectacular explosive elegance by experts in the art and science of controlled demolition. The technique was pioneered by the late Jack Loizeaux, who began as a forester in Baltimore. "We kick out the supports, and the good Lord and gravity do the rest," he liked to say. In 1960, when Jack incorporated the business, Mark, 13, was already working with his father after school. Doug joined in 1972, and in 1991, Mark's daughter Stacey, 32, became the third generation of America's first family of Unbuilders. By now Maryland-based Controlled Demolition Inc. has brought down thousands of structures, reportedly more than all its global competitors combined. Anyone with rudimentary knowledge of blasting techniques can blow up a building. The Loizeauxs implode things down. They collapse a structure inward within its footprint or lay it down in a predetermined direction to avoid collateral damage to adjacent structures. After a detailed structural analysis, they use a minimum amount of explosives strategically placed in holes drilled in critical support columns or strapped to support beams. These are detonated in an exquisitely timed sequence lasting from milliseconds to a full nine seconds. Weight and gravity do the rest. Some Loizeaux techniques developed over the decades are proprietary and the principal reason for their commercial success and safety record. Their implosions have never caused a death or injury. The tools of destruction range from standard dynamite, used to shatter concrete, to linear shaped charges that concentrate the force of a high explosive called RDX, slicing through steel with millions of pounds of pressure per square inch. In a 2001 project, for example, it took a mere 80 pounds of shaped charges to bring down each of two New York gas storage tanks built with 5 million pounds of steel. There is a more somber side to CDI's work. In 1995, the company was asked to demolish the remains of Oklahoma City's Alfred P. Murrah Building, blown up by Timothy McVeigh. The Murrah building was a prelude to the greater disaster of Sept. 11, 2001. Like most Americans, the Loizeauxs were transfixed by the televised scenes of destruction shortly after the first jet struck. But as experts in buildings' vulnerabilities, they knew right away what few Americans realized. "I told Doug immediately that the tower was coming down, and when the second tower was hit, that it would follow," remembers Mark. Horrified, the Loizeaux brothers watched first responders streaming into the doomed towers and tried frantically, and unsuccessfully, to phone in warnings. In the following days, CDI was called to ground zero to consult on safety and develop plans for demolition and debris removal. What if the twin towers, though badly damaged, had somehow remained standing? Without doubt, the Loizeaux family would have been called upon to bring them down. "Quite simply," says Mark in a rare moment of introspective uncertainty, "I don't know how we would have done it." - USNews / Pg 2 (06/06/03) (See also: July 15, 2001 - CDI implodes two 400-foot-high gas tanks near the WTC; December 2002 - CDI's is demolishing the facility at Fort Detrick that made weapons-grade anthrax; April 12, 2004 - Mark Loizeaux is reported by AFP saying he would have put explosives in the basement of the Twin Towers to help bring it down) http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September22,2001-CDI_plan [note: A few years ago, Fox News in DC did a story on CDI, because it was being featured at the Science Museum in Baltimore. They kept showing a demolition of a skyscraper, looking for all the world like the collapse of the WTC. The daughter was on the program, and she mentioned there were six of them, if I recall correctly in the firm who knew how to do it. Then she mentioned her EX-husband knew how, but he was no longer with the firm.] • July 15, 2001 - Two 400-foot-high gas tanks, known as the Maspeth Avenue Holders, are imploded by Controlled Demolition, Inc (CDI) near the WTC. The Tanks Came Tumbling Down "Area residents expressed concern that the demolition would release lead dust into the atmosphere, although KeySpan officials said the process would be closely monitored and that before the demolition most of the paint on the 400-foot-high tanks had been taped over or scraped off. However, some residents and environmental activists felt that removing the remnants of the tanks would pose a danger at least as great as the implosion itself. "There's an enormous amount of steel that has to be cut up," the owner of a Flushing-based business, who filed an affidavit supporting a coalition of groups from Greenpoint and Williamsburg that sought unsuccessfully to block the tanks' demolition, noted. KeySpan uses mechanized scissor-like devices to cut up the steel skin of the tanks, rather than torches, to avoid vaporizing the lead paint. In addition, KeySpan also laid down a special fabric cover to shield nearby buildings and vacuumed streets after the implosion. The first of the two tanks was built in 1927, followed in 1948 by its twin. The structures were known as the Maspeth Avenue Holders and were once used to provide constant pressure in residential gas lines. The holders were last used in 1992 and 1997, respectively. KeySpan, formerly Brooklyn Union Gas, received a permit to implode the tanks from the city Department of Buildings in April. Company officials announced the demolition plans at a community board meeting in June and met with neighborhood groups on Monday, July 11, to inform them as to what precautions were being taken to prevent lead dust from permeating the area. Many area residents felt that the precautions were inadequate and also expressed concern that KeySpan had waited until demolition of the tanks was imminent to inform them that the implosion was scheduled. Cleanup of the remnants of the tanks and the debris following the implosion is expected to take approximately three months. KeySpan has said it has no immediate plans for the land." - Queens Gazette (07/18/01) Phillyblast Was Here: "Structures: Keyspan Gas Holder No. 1 and Holder No. 2 (formerly known as the Maspeth Holders) City: Brooklyn, NY (Greenpoint area) Location: Maspeth Ave. between Morgan Ave. and Vandervooft Ave. Date & Time: July 15, 2001 - 7:02 am Implosion Contractor: Controlled Demolition, Inc. General Contractor: Mercer Wrecking Height: Almost 400 feet tall each Explosives: 750 lbs. of shaped charges (375 per holder) and 25 lbs. conventional charges (12.5 per holder) This implosion of two gigantic gas holders is to date one of the most unusual blasts we've ever seen, and photographically speaking, one of the most challenging." - Phillyblast "Brooklyn Gas Holders , Maspeth, New York Photo Courtesy of: Controlled Demolition, Inc." - Seismic Surveys - Twin gas tanks' demolition foreshadows Twin Towers' demolition - Online Journal (05/17/06) - Video of demolition: youtube, setstatic.net. Map: google (See also: September 22, 2001 - CDI is hired to help clean up at Ground Zero) http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#July15,2001-CDI_Maspeth_tanks_demo ================== [an aside: the entry prior to this: • July 10, 2001 - FBI agent Kenneth Williams urges the bureau's headquarters in his "Phoenix memo" to investigate Middle Eastern men enrolled in American flight schools who are supporters of Osama bin Laden, suggesting the schools could be used for terror operations. Flight School Memo Named Bin Laden "A memo by an FBI agent last summer urged the bureau's headquarters to investigate Middle Eastern men enrolled in American flight schools and named Osama bin Laden, suggesting followers could use the schools for terror operations, the New York Times reported Wednesday. The memorandum said bin Laden's groups might be sending students to the flight schools to place Islamic militants in the civil aviation industry around the world, the report added, citing government officials.” - CBS (05/15/02) Senators question 'Phoenix memo' author "The so-called "Phoenix memo," written July 10, 2001, by FBI agent Kenneth Williams, cited supporters of Osama bin Laden "attending civil aviation universities/colleges in Arizona." The memo apparently never reached the highest levels of the FBI, the CIA or the Justice Department until after September 11. It states that law enforcement officials began examining questions about Arab students attending U.S. flight schools in April 2000, almost 17 months before the September 11 terrorist attacks. It is under renewed scrutiny amid questions over whether the government missed clues that might have alerted authorities to impending attacks on New York and Washington." - CNN (05/21/02) - Copy of the "Phoenix memo" at: thememoryhole.org (See also: May 4, 2002 - Agent's "Phoenix memo" warning doesn't reach top gov't departments until after 9/11) ================= I find this curious. CDI was based in PHOENIX, Maryland, and the Pentagon renovation project was also known as the PHOENIX Project. A phoenix 'rises out of the ashes'] http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#July15,2001-CDI_Maspeth_tanks_demo ====================== December 2002 - Controlled Demolition, Inc's current project is demolishing the facility at Fort Detrick that made weapons-grade anthrax. Survival Guide: Mark Loizeaux, demolition expert "Mark Loizeaux is a demolition expert, and his company, Controlled Demolition Inc. in Phoenix, Md., has taken down more than 7,000 structures around the world by imploding them with explosive charges. But that is only about 15 percent of the company's business. Founded by Loizeaux's father, the company also carries out traditional dismantlings of buildings as well as destroying chemical weapons production facilities, including a current project at Fort Detrick, Md., to demolish the facility that made weapons-grade anthrax. The company also destroys chemical weapons and missiles." - Washington Technology (12/16/02) Building 470 dismantling complete "Building 470 was completed in 1953 at a cost of $1.3 million. As part of the nation's Cold War defense against the continuing threat of biological warfare, the building served as a pilot plant for production of bacteria with potential as weapons: Bacillus anthracis, the causative agent of anthrax; Francisella tularensis, the cause of tularemia, or rabbit fever; and Brucella suis, which causes brucellosis, sometimes called undulant fever. Controlled Demolition, Inc., the firm chosen for the dismantling work was sensitive to the needs of NCI-Frederick and Fort Detrick..." - DCMilitary.com (01/22/04) (See also: September 22, 2001 - CDI hired to help clean up WTC & their president said knew towers were 'coming down' after planes hit; October 5, 2001 - First anthrax victim was photo editor at National Enquirer company which published a photo of Bush's daughter Jenna shown drunk with a cigarette in her hand falling on top of another girl) ====================== • December 10, 2002 - WTC surveillance tapes and maintenance logs are among the missing evidence as investigators try to figure out why the WTC collapsed. WTC surveillance tapes feared missing "Surveillance tapes and maintenance logs are among the missing evidence as investigators try to figure out why the World Trade Center collapsed, federal officials said Monday. Many documents destroyed in the disaster "are pretty key in carrying out the work," lead investigator Shyam Sunder said. The 110-story towers collapsed after two hijacked jetliners plowed into the buildings in lower Manhattan on Sept. 11, 2001. Nearly 2,800 people were killed. Two hypotheses on the cause of the collapse have emerged since the National Institute of Standards and Technology began its $23 million probe three months ago. Both theories agree the jetliners damaged floor joints and columns inside and outside the buildings. But they vary on whether the fire-weakened columns failed and alone brought down the buildings or whether floor trusses sagged in the intense heat, pulling the columns inward to collapse. The lost records probably contain vital information that could help answer questions, Sunder said. Investigators are trying to locate copies of many destroyed documents from the building's owners and city agencies. Also missing are the original contract specifications for the buildings from the early 1970s. Many believed the towers were built to withstand the impact of a Boeing 707 - the largest aircraft at the time, but much smaller than the jets that crashed into the buildings. Researchers plan to spend two years on the study. They will analyze trade center wreckage, rely on steel manufacturing experts and interview survivors, victims' relatives and rescue workers. They have also created a database of more than 1,900 photographs shot that day as the towers burned and fell and are asking for more. They are especially interested in photographs showing the south face of 7 World Trade Center, which was not hit by a plane but burned for hours before collapsing." - Fort Wayne News Sentinel/AP (12/10/02) [Archived: WayBack Machine] ============= • December 11, 2002 - Palestinian man claims a Mossad agent sought to induce him to set up a fake Al-Qaeda cell in Gaza and to declare responsibility for bombings in the name of Al-Qaeda. "A Palestinian citizen from Gaza has revealed how the Israeli intelligence Service, the Mossad, had been trying to enlist him to set up a terrorist cell in Palestine under the name of al-Qaeda, the group headed by Osama bin Laden. Ibrahim (not his real name) said during a news conference in Gaza Monday night that he had been contacted by a man who identified himself as Haj Yousuf from the city of Akka, who told him that he was working for Osama Bin Laden and that he was able to carry out bombings in Tel Aviv and Haifa and other Israeli towns. He told me that all he wanted from me was to declare responsibility for the bombings in the name of al-Qaida, said the masked Ibrahim. He spoke very nicely and told me he would help me financially; then he asked me to try to enlist a number of sincere Islamic-minded youths to set up al-Qaeda cell in Gaza. Ibrahim said his contacts with Haj Yousuf (the Mossad agents) became more frequent, adding that at one point the Mossad agent offered him a monthly salary of up to 3000 US dollars. At a later date, the Mossad agent asked Ibrahim to rent an apartment in Gaza in order to facilitate communications between them. He also promised to provide Ibrahim with a computer and fax machine, saying that communication between the two would be conducted via the internet. However, Ibrahim, said he began to be suspicious of the man when he told him that he knew him and his family. Ibrahim said his contacts with Haj Yousuf lasted for five months after which he decided to inform the Preventive Security Force in Gaza of the entire affair. The Israeli government and media have been dumbfounded by the revelation. A spokesman at the Israeli Prime Ministers office issued a terse statement on Tuesday describing these allegations as nonsense. Earlier, a gleeful-looking Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon told reporters that Israel had discovered an al Qaeda cell in Gaza and that Israel was a key partner in the worldwide war against terror. The Israeli claims were instantly and vehemently denied by the Palestinian Authority whose leader Yasser Arafat labeled Sharons remarks as a big, big, big lie. Moreover, the PA briefed the US, EU, Russia and the UN on the affair and urged them to be mindful of Israeli designs to carry out massacres and acts of wanton killings in the Gaza Strip under the false rubric of fighting al-Qaeda." - Arabia Online (12/11/02) [WayBack Machine] http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2002.html#December2002-CDI_FtDetrick
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New York visit reveals extent of WTC disaster[molten metal still red hot weeks after the event]
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