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Title: Tent City Jail to Hold AWOL Soldiers
Source: The Arizona Republic
URL Source: [None]
Published: Sep 27, 2007
Author: staff
Post Date: 2007-09-27 12:20:24 by ghostdogtxn
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Views: 618
Comments: 45

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#2. To: ghostdogtxn (#0)

Military officials also hope that the AWOL soldiers' experiences in Tent City will be close to the living accommodations of soldiers in Iraq.

PC wussies...

During Korean war, when the AWOL rate went through the roof, the military adopted a new policy.

Any man AWOL was put in irons, transported to Travis AFB in CA and flown in irons with MPs direct to Korea as replacements in the front lines. The AWOL dropped to next to nothing. In Korea these slackers were thrown into the worst of conditions.

I witnessed many a MATS flight of them in irons bound for Korea.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-09-27   12:30:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-09-27   12:34:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

A good reminder that we are the property of the state.

At the time and of personal consideration, we were unhappy to be risking our lives and these people were taking the cowards way out.

Right or wrong was not an issue, rather personal survival.

These people would wait until the day before their ship was to depart CA, desert and come back after the ship left. For this they were given 6 months in the brig and dishonorably discharged. There were hundreds of them that took that route.

After direct flights began, desertion was very rare.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-09-27   12:38:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-09-27   13:02:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Otherwise that kind of servitude would really suck.

servitude??

Far worse than that. It comes down to this, you take your chance with "our" enemy, or we shoot you, your choice.

Contrary to beliefs of some that were not there, I take it personal when a man adopts cowardice as a defense and others have to take their place.

Some of these people with big mouths are just that, all mouth, all talk.

Recall our HERO Ike had Slovik shot. Would the big mouths face that???

Cynicom  posted on  2007-09-27   13:18:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-09-27   13:30:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Our freedom? Doesn't that strike you as a bit ironic?

Ironic???

Not at all.

The man at the bottom NEVER has a choice. Wrapping oneself in a higher moral veil cloaks only one thing, his own willingness to let others sacrifice, not me, however I will gladly partake of any benefits that may follow.

The Revolutionary war is a perfect example of the personal selfishness of men. Thirty per cent of Americans fought and won freedom for this country. That thirty per cent did the suffering, bleeding and dying while the moralists sat safely at home.

As soon as the war was settled the shirkers were out in force, we were with you all the time.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-09-27   13:44:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-09-27   13:56:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

That's just the warmonger's marching song. It sounds a lot like "you don't support the troops if you don't support the war."

ghost...

That has nothing to do with the man at the bottom.

Cowardice is cowardice. Slovik was told, one more AWOL under fire and you will be shot. He accepting being shot. I will give him credit for not wrapping himself in any fraudulent moral veil. I personally do not believe that many moralists would have the strength of Slovik.

Any man that will tell me here that they would accept the death penalty rather than be dragged into war then surely is a moralist.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-09-27   14:09:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-09-27   15:23:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Your positions assume a lot, Cynicom. First of all, regards Slovik, he wasn't as courageous as you might think. I

ghost...

There you go assuming things. LOL

Slovik was a criminal thus classified as 4F. He was living the good life. Good job, new car, newly married, nice apartment. He had it made. Let someone else do it, he was safe. Then they changed the rules, criminals were wanted and needed.

Immediately Slovik was against the war. Risking ones life in war was not for him.

He did have the strength (I mentioned that) to accept death rather than fight and I rather doubt anyone here has that courage of their convictions. I suspect all would fall in line, just as they did during the Korean War.

Sloviks cowardice was so great he was willing to forfeit his life. I have never encountered a coward of that magnitude.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-09-27   15:39:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I rather doubt anyone here has that courage of their convictions. I suspect all would fall in line, just as they did during the Korean War.

It would appear that The Powers That Be disagree with your observation or else these chickenhawk power brokers would have pulled the trigger on conscription 2 years ago at the first hints of "Vietnam War like quagmire" signs in Iraq and "Soviet like failure" signs in Afghanistan.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-09-27   15:58:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

would have pulled the trigger on conscription 2 years ago

Why two years ago????

I am old and remember in 1939 that people had a good laugh that we would have a draft. Even FDR said he would NEVER draft American boys to fight in foreign wars.

Your history class must have told you who laughed last. Over ten million Americans were taken away. There was no laughter, no moral indignation. Those with fear of death were hauled in anyway, by their government.

It will happen again, to think otherwise is extremely foolhardy. Somewhere today ghost said the powers to be were hell bent on aligning Russia/China with our enemies in the ME. If ghost is correct, just who do you think will volunteer for that war? Or perhaps you might see a draft?

Cynicom  posted on  2007-09-27   16:10:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#39. To: Cynicom (#36)

"And while I am talking to you mothers and fathers, I give you one more assurance. I have said this before and I shall say it again and again and again: Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars."

FDR's words in that notorious speech in Boston of Oct. 30, 1940.

Note that he said nothing there about no draft. As a matter of fact, Congress had passed the Selective Training and Service Act of 1940 on Sept. 14, at the behest of FDR's administration.

aristeides  posted on  2007-09-27 16:23:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

a. Your history class must have told you who laughed last. Over ten million Americans were taken away. There was no laughter, no moral indignation. Those with fear of death were hauled in anyway, by their government.

b. Somewhere today ghost said the powers to be were hell bent on aligning Russia/China with our enemies in the ME. If ghost is correct, just who do you think will volunteer for that war? Or perhaps you might see a draft?

a. different times no Internet no instant debunking of gubment pap, different ethnic composition of our citizenry - like Asians and Hispanics have any interest in fighting AIPAC-Exxon's foreign wars, different school propaganda regarding "patriotism" K-gr.12- do our kids even cite the Pledge anymore each morning in public schools?, higher propensity of dual and triple citizenship and conflicted loyalties, different attitudes to Congress and the Oval Office - today people hold those 2 entities in as high a regard as a used car salesman - etc, etc

b. Do you honestly think a draft would be useful if Russia/China/ME nations went to war against us as a cohesive alliance? Dream along with me.

Their alliance would have the numbers as well as the weaponry, hands down. If this truly is the Mother of all Wars that the Insane in DC want, then they must be counting on using nukes in that type of conflict and they are hoping to sit out the worst of the contamination by living for a couple of years in their underground bunkers. The Insane in DC recognize better than you that conscription is no hedge against an alliance of China+Russia+ME nations. Nukes - quick lethal strikes - would be the first choice of the Insane. That's what I'd guess.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-09-27 16:29:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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