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Title: (HILLARY) Clinton Defends Her Lieberman-Kyl Vote
Source: NO QUARTER
URL Source: http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/0 ... r-lieberman-kyl-vote/#more-890
Published: Sep 27, 2007
Author: "Leslie"
Post Date: 2007-09-27 15:12:25 by aristeides
Keywords: None
Views: 347
Comments: 24

Clinton Defends Her Lieberman-Kyl Vote

By Leslie on September 27, 2007 at 1:38 PM in Current Affairs

Last night during the Presidential debates, Hillary was rebuked for her yea vote on the Lieberman-Kyl amendment, which designated Iran’s military as a terrorist organization.

One of the sharpest exchanges came over a vote in the Senate on Wednesday on a resolution urging President Bush to designate the Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist group. Clinton supported the measure, Biden and Dodd opposed it. Obama did not vote.

“I am ashamed of you, Hillary, for voting for it,” said former senator Mike Gravel of Alaska.

When Clinton defended the vote as something that could lead to sanctions against a group responsible for manufacturing weapons that are being used against U.S. forces in Iraq. But Edwards challenged her for that vote.

“I voted for this war in Iraq, and I was wrong to vote for this war,” he said. “And I accept responsibility for that. Senator Clinton also voted for this war. We learned a very different lesson from that. I have no intention of giving George Bush the authority to take the first step on a road to war with Iran.”

New York may have been most impacted by 9/11, and that’s probably why Hillary voted for this amendment. But Iraq and Iran had nothing to do with the attacks that day. It’s time to stop using 9/11 as an excuse for more war.

The Lieberman-Kyl amendment makes it easier to bring sanctions against Iran and anyone doing business with Iran. It also blurs the distinction between terrorists and another country’s military, which is dangerous in Bush/Cheney hands. As Brian Beutler says,

If Bush’s policy remains an unwillingness to distinguish between terrorists and the countries that harbor them, then he’s all but compelled to strike. There’s obviously no coherence here. It’s completely insane.

You’d think Hillary would’ve learned this by now. But, apparently, not!

P.S. I support Hillary Clinton, and will vote for her in the Presidential election. However, the thought of this amendment in Bushie hands is troubling, and it passed with a majority of bipartisan support.

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#2. To: aristeides (#0)

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-09-27   15:29:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: ghostdogtxn (#2)

WTF?

How could anyone be that dumb?

Hillary is a far better choice than Rudy or McCain or that weirdo Romney or the total flake Thompson. I don't care for her, and support another candidate, but she would not be a disaster.

However, Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton really sucks. I like the Clintons, relatively speaking, but we don't have royalty in this country, theoretically.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-09-27   15:48:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Mekons4 (#3) (Edited)

Hillary is a far better choice than Rudy or McCain or that weirdo Romney or the total flake Thompson. I don't care for her, and support another candidate, but she would not be a disaster.

Hillary is an extreme leftist socialist. She would cater to every far left special interest group that the Democratic Party has started to attract over the years. Bill Clinton actually did a lot of good for the Democratic Party - he moved it to being more centrist and representing what ordinary moderate Americans represent. Frankly if I knew that Bill was guaranteed to be part of the new Clinton Oval Office package, I'd be grateful. Just as we might not be in such a disasterous foreign policy jam today if it had been guaranteed that Poppy Bush and his realist perspective would be part of Junior's administration. If we're going to have political dynasties occupying the Oval Office, at least let the more temperate influences of those family dynasties be guaranteed to hold sway.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-09-27   16:09:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: scrapper2 (#6)

Hillary is an extreme leftist socialist. She would cater to every far left special interest group that the Democratic Party has started to attract over the years.

I almost wish she was a far-leftie. To me, she's way too opportunistic and the special interests she'll cater to aren't much different than the ones Bush caters to. I think Obama or Paul would make good presidents. Hillary, at least, is competent, but I worry she'll be influenced by the neocons as a way of showing voters she's tough on foreign policy. I don't know how much chance either has, though. Obama might pull it out, just because the hardcore, leftie dems don't like Hillary much. And they flock to the polls in primaries. I'm not convinced the polls reflect what will actually happen in the primaries. Paul may well take NH, but I doubt he can do much after that.

My $0.02.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-09-27   17:02:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Mekons4 (#7)

I took a healthy crap this morning. Polls showed that it had fewer negatives than Hitlery. Go figure.

Sodie Pop  posted on  2007-09-27   17:54:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Sodie Pop (#8)

I took a healthy crap this morning. Polls showed that it had fewer negatives than Hitlery. Go figure.

Hitlery? Oh, come on. Only the freaks over at FRetard City say THAT anymore. What exactly does Hillary have to do with Hitler? Does she want to gas Jews? Does she want to execute Communists and homosexuals? Does she have an amphetamine habit? Is she going to take over the world? What nonsense.

She has high negatives, sure, and I don't exactly love her, but she is competent, moderate and will make a good president. I'll vote for her over all the Republicans, because I am not going to leave the veto power in the hands of warmongers. Ron Paul is the obvious exception. I'll take a chance on someone I basically disagree with on many issues, but who is a decent, honest person. When I was a kid I worked on Barry Goldwater's campaign and even though I now disagree with some of what he stood for (most of which he later disavowed, btw), he's still my political hero because he was honest and decent.

Calling her Hitlery (how did you forget KKKlintoon, as if the Clintons are racist KKK members) is really, truly, unforgivably silly, you know. Unless you can intellectually claim the two are Nazis and racists. Which you can't.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-09-27   18:02:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Mekons4 (#10)

Hitlery? Oh, come on. Only the freaks over at FRetard City say THAT anymore.

Alas, you are right. I stand corrected.

This morning I took a healthy crap, and it polled fewer negatives than that egotistical, mug-ugly, lying, shit-eating fucking twat.

Better?

Sodie Pop  posted on  2007-09-27   19:10:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Sodie Pop (#13)

This morning I took a healthy crap, and it polled fewer negatives than that egotistical, mug-ugly, lying, shit-eating fucking fascist twat.

[corrected for accuracy]

IndieTX  posted on  2007-09-27   19:13:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: IndieTX (#14)

This morning I took a healthy crap, and it polled fewer negatives than that egotistical, mug-ugly, lying, shit-eating fucking fascist twat.

Alas, I stand once again corrected.

That is better.

Can you imagine...we had 12 years of Bush Sr, 8 years of Bubber Clinton, and 8 years of Bush the Idiot...now there are freaking fools out there that would really vote to put Rodham Clinton in there...

we are so screwed.

Sodie Pop  posted on  2007-09-27   19:25:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Sodie Pop (#15)

e had 12 years of Bush Sr, 8 years of Bubber Clinton, and 8 years of Bush the Idiot...now there are freaking fools out there that would really vote to put Rodham Clinton in there...

Whatever else you believe, Bubber was the best thing that happened to the middle class since Truman and maybe Ike. Period.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-09-27   19:42:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Mekons4 (#16)

Whatever else you believe, Bubber was the best thing that happened to the middle class since Truman and maybe Ike. Period.

That shit house pol couldn't carry Ike's Jockstrap without snarfing it. Ike was a SOLDIER at one time, not some fucking draft-dodging coke snorting, pussy chasing hunk o'phlegm.

But you asked for it, and you will probably get it..it being the ladder- climbing gash that sold out to AIPAC to become a Senator.

If that's what you like, you will be happy.

I won't vote for it, or any of the Rs that are running.

Have a nice day.

Sodie Pop  posted on  2007-09-27   20:48:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Sodie Pop (#18)

That shit house pol couldn't carry Ike's Jockstrap without snarfing it. Ike was a SOLDIER at one time, not some fucking draft-dodging coke snorting, pussy chasing hunk o'phlegm.

Unlike Cheney, who got SIX deferments, Clinton got one for being a college student. He didn't dodge the draft. I burned my draft card rather than take a college deferment, and I wish he had too, but that's life. As for coke, no one has ever made that charge. As far as pussy-chasing, I think I qualify.

You're not making a case here. And as others pointed out, Ike never fired a gun in anger. He sure sent a lot of people to die, though. He wasn't as bad as that coward MacArthur, but he never had to do what he ordered others to do. Sorta like a certain preznit we have now. And his chickenshit VP.

I would advise looking rationally at what Dems and Repukes do. Clinton was the best president since Ike and probably since FDR. Deal with it.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-09-28   1:56:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Mekons4 (#22)

He wasn't as bad as that coward MacArthur

Coward????

I suggest you research MacArthur during WW1 service.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-09-28   7:57:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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