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Title: HATE BILL PASSES!
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/hatebillpasses.htm
Published: Sep 27, 2007
Author: Rev. Ted Pike
Post Date: 2007-09-27 19:01:29 by AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt
Keywords: Israel/Zionism, Dead Constitution, Christianity
Views: 363
Comments: 24

HATE BILL PASSES!

By Rev. Ted Pike 27 Sep 07

By a vote of 60 to 39 this morning, Sens. Kennedy and Smith’s hate crimes amendment was attached to the defense authorization act. After three days of virtual silence, several Republican senators spoke against the bill within the two hours of debate. Sen. Lindsey Graham briefly argued that, if passed, the President will veto the hate bill and arms bill together, jeopardizing timely support of our troops. Sen. Jeff Sessions contended that states are adequately dealing with hate crimes and that Kennedy’s amendment burdens the defense authorization bill. Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell, arriving after the debate, was allowed to very briefly state that a hate bill was irrelevant to an arms bill.

The real hero of the day was Sen. Orrin Hatch. Yesterday he stood alone among Republicans to publicly oppose the hate bill. But today he spoke three times with powerful, logical, legal, and constitutional reasons why the hate bill is redundant to state law enforcement, which adequately deals with all kinds of violent crime. He said that gender identity, as put forth in this legislation, is unclear. Its definition depends on the subjective perceptions of both the hate criminal and the victim. He offered his own amendment (which was later passed unanimously) calling for the federal government to authorize studies to determine if states are adequately enforcing hate crimes laws.

Remarkably, Sen. Byrd of West Virginia , habitual supporter of the hate bill, voted against it. If only one more pro-hate bill Senator, Democrat or Republican, had been persuaded, either by massive calling during the last week or by impassioned attack of the hate bill on the floor of the Senate, the hate bill would have been destroyed in this Congress. It would have to be resubmitted in the next Congress under the stigma of having been rejected six times. Yes, the President has promised to veto today’s hate bill victory. But at the same time, the hate bill, through passage now by both House and Senate, is energized and dignified as never before to be easily ratified in the next Congress, little more than a year from now.

Credit for hate bill victory must largely go to the repeated impassioned speeches by Sens. Kennedy and Smith, but leaders of the religious right and Republican senators are, by default, just as responsible. Since the defense appropriations act was introduced 16 days ago, opening the possibility of hate bill attachment, there has been an astonishing lack of consistent warning from leaders of the religious right. This has grown even more acute since Monday, with a virtual blackout of warning from all new right websites (See, Do New Right Leaders Want Hate Bill Passed? and Hate Bill Ready for a Vote). As a result, the millions of calls which might have been generated amounted to a relative trickle. Only at the last minute, yesterday, when it became virtually impossible to influence today’s Senate vote, did new right leaders send out calls to action.

Such dereliction of duty was reflected on the floor of the Senate this week by the silence of Senators well known to oppose hate laws. Day after day they ignored invitations to speak to the Senate against the hate bill.

Both new right leaders and Republican senators represent themselves as watchmen on the wall, guardians of our freedom. Yet God told the prophet Ezekiel that if, as such a watchman, he knew the enemy was coming and yet did not sound the alarm, he would lose his eternal soul (Ez. 33)

For the past several weeks, both Christian and Republican leaders have seen the enemy coming. Yet they did not sound the alarm in a timely and effective way. For this they will have to answer to their Creator. Meanwhile, all Americans now are very, very much closer to having to answer to the federal “thought police” for every idle word that is not politically correct.


Sen. Lindsey Graham briefly argued that, if passed, the President will veto the hate bill and arms bill together, jeopardizing timely support of our troops.

B'rer Bush: "Please, please, don't throw me into that briar patch, Komrades."

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#1. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#0)

HATE BILL PASSES

My God!

The secret of contentment is knowing how to enjoy what you have, and to be able to lose all desire for things beyond your reach. Lin Yutang

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --- William Casey, Director CIA (Quote from internal staff meeting notes 1981)

intotheabyss  posted on  2007-09-27   19:04:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, REDPANTHER (#0) (Edited)

. Since the defense appropriations act was introduced 16 days ago, opening the possibility of hate bill attachment, there has been an astonishing lack of consistent warning from leaders of the religious right. This has grown even more acute since Monday, with a virtual blackout of warning from all new right websites (See, Do New Right Leaders Want Hate Bill Passed? and Hate Bill Ready for a Vote). As a result, the millions of calls which might have been generated amounted to a relative trickle. Only at the last minute, yesterday, when it became virtually impossible to influence today’s Senate vote, did new right leaders send out calls to action.

Such dereliction of duty was reflected on the floor of the Senate this week by the silence of Senators well known to oppose hate laws. Day after day they ignored invitations to speak to the Senate against the hate bill.

Both new right leaders and Republican senators represent themselves as watchmen on the wall, guardians of our freedom. Yet God told the prophet Ezekiel that if, as such a watchman, he knew the enemy was coming and yet did not sound the alarm, he would lose his eternal soul (Ez. 33)

Meanwhile, all Americans now are very, very much closer to having to answer to the federal “thought police” for every idle word that is not politically correct.

PING

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-- IndieTx

IndieTX  posted on  2007-09-27   19:06:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#0)

there has been an astonishing lack of consistent warning from leaders of the religious right. This has grown even more acute since Monday, with a virtual blackout of warning from all new right websites (See, Do New Right Leaders Want Hate Bill Passed? and Hate Bill Ready for a Vote). As a result, the millions of calls which might have been generated amounted to a relative trickle. Only at the last minute, yesterday, when it became virtually impossible to influence today’s Senate vote, did new right leaders send out calls to action.

Most of the purported "conservative" organizations and "right" websites are not "conservative" or "right wing" in any sense anymore, especially the neo-con and so-called "Religious Right" ones. Instead, they have become out-and-out apologists for authoritarianism and statist crushing of dissent. After all, "we're at war," y'know. :-/

"Aux armes, citoyens! Formez vos bataillons! Marchons! Marchons! Qu'un sang impur abreuve nos sillons!"

Peetie Wheatstraw  posted on  2007-09-27   19:17:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: IndieTX (#2)

Yet God told the prophet Ezekiel that if, as such a watchman, he knew the enemy was coming and yet did not sound the alarm, he would lose his eternal soul (Ez. 33)

Well, we at the 4um tried, didn't we? I've been trying to catch up on some things, and had no idea it was up for a vote again until I heard on the local news just a little while ago that it had been tacked onto the war bill and passed. I guess all the "by deception thou shalt do war" explosion of "hate crimes" lately, had the desired effect. The ol' "Fox" will be flyin' high tonight, I bet.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-09-27   19:27:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#3)

yup....wolves in sheeps' clothing, is another way to put it.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-09-27   19:29:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#0)

Yes, the President has promised to veto today’s hate bill victory.

Irony of irony - what if foxieloxie got all his ducks in a row except for one - the one he assumed AIPAC had in the bag for him?

Yuck, yuck - dubya might do 1 thing right in his Presidency if he keeps his word to veto this bill!

scrapper2  posted on  2007-09-27   19:34:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: scrapper2 (#6)

Yuck, yuck - dubya might do 1 thing right in his Presidency if he keeps his word to veto this bill!

wellll.....since his father signed the AshkeNazi Noahide Laws [ http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/comingjewishutopia.html ], into effect, and since the cryptojew Bush II has signed a proclamation every year of his residency in honor of that antiChrist, antiConstitution abomination, and since I don't believe Bush would do anything to jeopardize the Zionazi war agenda, I would find that a miracle.

funny, I was JUST reading a Bible passage in relation to something from last week I was sort of studying when I heard this bit of news..... II Thessalonians 2:3-4.....hmmmm.......Bush's response could be very revealing.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-09-27   20:03:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, *Hasbarfa Alert* (#0) (Edited)

Should be going into high gear just about the time of the AIPAC espionage trials in early January...

ADL

Letters to the Editor Chicago Sun-Times September 10, 2007

To the Editor:

Intent - targeting a victim because of his or her status - is what distinguishes a hate crime from other crimes. It is when Mary Mitchell ("Hate crime: It's not black or white but gray", Sept. 9, 2007) suggests that this is a problem that she goes astray.

It is not a matter of looking into someone's heart; it is a matter of analyzing evidence. Prosecutors are well-trained to evaluate a perpetrator's intent: They have to do so for many different kinds of crimes. For example, it is intent that distinguishes murder from manslaughter, and negligence from purposeful harm. Sincerely,

Lonnie Nasatir ADL Director, Greater Chicago/Upper Midwest Region

Clare Pinkert ADL Midwest Area Civil Rights Counsel

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2007-09-27   21:45:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Eoghan (#8) (Edited)

Prosecutors are well-trained to evaluate a perpetrator's intent

And will the prosecutors be trained ( brain washed)to put a greater value on one individual's life over another's depending one whether or not they are affliated with a "special" group that society values more dearly? Is this what our justice system has devolved to - state sanctioned justice for some more so than others.

If dubya does not veto this Bill our nation is headed into the tall grass way far away from what the Founders envisioned.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-09-27   21:57:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: scrapper2 (#6)

".....dubya might do 1 thing right in his Presidency if he keeps his word to veto this bill! "

Reverend Ted Pike said this just prior to passage of the Hate Crimes Bill:

"I suspect Bush and his Zionist neo-con advisors did not lightly promise a veto of the hate bill. They recognized in this burgeoning movement a very real and potentially helpful power bloc. On one hand, the hidden Zionist power brokers behind our “Skull and Bones” President want hate laws. Bush wants to regain stature with evangelicals and Republicans as a defender of Christian/conservative values and freedom. The promised veto gives both factions in the White House what they want.

The Zionists behind Bush also want national opposition to the hate bill dissipated. It is now clear that the best way to do so was by promise of a Presidential veto. The "let George W. do it" mentality has now evaporated most protest against hate laws, especially the federal hate bill.

But there is a second great objective, one held by Bush, Republican leaders, and also leaders of the religious right: Bush must be exalted as the great deliverer of freedom. To do this, the hate bill must be passed. Only through veto of the hate bill can Bush portray himself as true to his word and the champion of free speech, repulsing liberals who would destroy our First Amendment rights. With such exaltation of Bush, all things Republican and Christian/conservative are also elevated. George W., ascendant upon a white horse and in favor with heartland America, could cause the Republican fortunes to rise dramatically. This is necessary in the coming Presidential race against pro-hate bill candidates like Hillary.

Yes, by veto, the Zionists around Bush lose immediate gratification of passing the hate bill, but they won't have long to wait. If the hate bill passes the Senate, it will be dignified as legislation ratified by both houses of the Congress of the United States. It will be fairly easy in little more than a year to reintroduce and pass it with the full support of an incumbent pro-hate bill administration.

So, you see, behind the scenes, everyone benefits except the American people and our future freedom. Bush finishes his legacy as defender of our freedoms, not what he really is, a supplanter of those freedoms. The Republican Party bolsters its strength in the next bid for the White House. The new right increases its chances of being invited to the White House. And the evil Jewish leaders at Bush's elbow are empowered to take away free speech soon, as their Canadian brethren have done across the border. (Watch, Hate Laws: Making Criminals of Christians)"

Bub  posted on  2007-09-27   21:59:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#0)

Good night, Gracie.

Oh, Land of the South, be thy soil ever sacred! Enriched as it is by the blood of the brave, To thee our love, to thy foes our hatred, Thou birth-place of Heroes! Of Martyrs, the grave!

Tauzero  posted on  2007-09-27   22:01:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Bub (#10) (Edited)

Bush wants to regain stature with evangelicals and Republicans

Bush could give a flyin' leap about his "stature" with Evangelicals or Republicans. Are you kidding me? What a laugh!

If Bush vetoes this Hate Bill it's because he's a stubborn SOB decider, that's why and when he means what he says to do or fool me once shame on me and you and whatever...

It's anyone's guess what the nincomepoopinchief will do.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-09-27   22:04:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Eoghan (#8)

Should be going into high gear just about the time of the AIPAC espionage trials in early January...

Prosecutors are well-trained to evaluate a perpetrator's intent: They have to do so for many different kinds of crimes. For example, it is intent that distinguishes murder from manslaughter, and negligence from purposeful harm.

might this be a good thing? i.e., work to our advantage? maybe now is the time to leaflet the country with THEIR "love letter" for Christians:

Campaign to abolish X-mas celebration by gentiles

Noahide Mivtzaiim materials now available. Anyone interested in obtaining holiday fliers (@ $.25 each) to distribute to their non-Jewish associates, please contact Shmuel or Aaron for more info:

[phone number withheld] http://www.noahide.com

Why Torah obligates all Jews in this campaign:

"...according to the known Jewish ruling that Christians are idol worshippers." (Likkutei Sichos 37:198)

A gentile...is liable for the death penalty...if he has invented a religious holiday for himself...The general principle is we do not allow them to make new religious rituals and to make 'mitzvahs' for themselves by their own devices. Rather they may either become a Ger Tzeddek and accept all the Mitvahs; or he (the Noahide) should stand fast in his Torah (the seven Noahide Laws) without adding or diminishing...and if he does make some new 'mitzvah,' we lash him, punish him, and inform him that he is obligated with the death penalty for this..." (Rambam Mishne Torah—Hilchos Melachim 10:9)

"...it is however obvious that if it will be perceived by them (the nations), also the matter of the negation of shituf, until they even have some recognition of the Unity of Hashem—that 'there is nothing else besides Him'; this will add both in their carefulness and meticulousness in fulfilling the seven Noahide Laws [with all of their ramifications!] and also in their aiding of Jewish people in all of their matters pertaining to Yiddishkeit and all of their needs in general..." (Likkutei Sichos 25: YudTes Kislev)

"Any person who has already worked successfully in this area should try to influence other Jews to do likewise. Resistance should not deter one when attempting to influence a further individual to accept upon himself the task of disseminating the Noahide Laws amongst the nations." (Hisvaduyos 5750 2:18-19)

http://www.noahide.com/xmas.htm [deleted from the noahide site in time to look innocent for their latest crusade against Christians]

Psa 69:22 Let their table become a snare before them: and [that which should have been] for [their] welfare, [let it become] a trap.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Psa/Psa069.html#22

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Psa/69/22.html

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-09-27   22:12:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Tauzero (#11)

NYC HAS HAD HATE CRIME LAWS SINCE 2000

New York's Hate Crimes Act of 2000: problematic and redundant legislation aimed at subjective motivation(Commentary).

Date:
December 22, 2002

Author:
MacNamara, Brian S.

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INTRODUCTION

The dawn of the new millennium marked New York's entry into the realm of legislating against evil thoughts. By enacting the Hate Crimes Act of 2000, (1) the New York State Legislature mandated enhanced penalties for a laundry list of criminal activities, which depend on the defendant's subjective motivation for committing the underlying or "specified offense." (2) In doing so, New York became the forty-fourth state to enact bias or hate crime legislation. (3)

New York's Hate Crimes Act is unnecessary and ill-advised. There is little or no credible evidence that bias-related crime is either prevalent or deserving of specialized treatment. (4) The criminal law that existed prior to the passage of the Hate Crimes Act adequately addressed the anti- social behavior of defendants who commit crimes motivated by bias. Furthermore, the current Hate Crimes Act will not serve as a deterrent to bias-motivated acts. (5) Additionally, this statute might violate the federal and state constitutions, create procedural and evidentiary problems not envisioned by its drafters, and represent little more than political pandering to a panoply of special interest groups.

Part One of this article provides some introductory remarks about hate crime legislation. Both federal and state law will be discussed and some comparisons will be made observing their respective approaches to bias-crime legislation. Part Two presents the New York Hate Crimes Act of 2000. Along with this general overview, the accompanying discourse discusses its design and purpose, questions its purported indispensable nature in the face of evidence demonstrating a lack of bias-crime prevalence, and comments about the New York law being built on a foundation of symbolism rather than substance. Part Three argues that the existing criminal law is more than sufficient to address the various crimes enumerated under the Hate Crimes Act, and thus, bolsters the contention that the Hate Crimes Act is unnecessary. Part Four examines the New York law under both the federal and state constitutions and supplies a constitutional critique. This Part assesses the New York Hate Crimes Act in light of Supreme Court guidance surrounding the concept of restraint on free speech. As will be seen, the New York law might suffer infirmities under its own state constitution that it might not face under its federal counterpart. Part Five furnishes an overview of the various procedural and evidentiary troubles that might result in attempting to prosecute offenders under the Hate Crimes Act, and in so doing, elucidates many arguments that may be offered against the law. Part Six concludes that hate crime laws, as a whole, have flourished due to the politics involved in creating such legislation, and despite overwhelming evidence suggesting that bias-crime laws are unnecessary, this type of legislation continues to flourish--for no legitimate policy reason.

I. BACKGROUND OF HATE CRIME LEGISLATION

Beginning in the mid-1980s, both Congress and many state legislatures enacted hate crime legislation. (6) Typically, if the defendant was motivated by factors such as race, religion, or ethnicity, these statutes either provide increased penalties for existing crimes or create new crimes punishing specific acts of ethnic or racial intimidation. (7)

Federal statutes usually address bias-motivated criminal activity by enhancing penalties pursuant to the federal sentencing guidelines. (8) For example, if the defendant is found beyond a reasonable doubt to have intentionally selected, as his target, any victim or any property because of race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, gender, disability, or sexual orientation, a three-step increase in the offense level is mandated. (9)

State statutes may be of either variety--enhancing the penalty for an existing crime if it was found to be motivated by bias or creating a new crime for specific acts of ethnic, racial, or religiously motivated intimidation. For instance, Wisconsin Penal Law provides for an increased penalty if the defendant intentionally selects the victim in whole, or in part, because of race, religion, color, disability, sexual orientation, national origin, or ancestry. (10) California hate crime legislation takes a somewhat different form. In first-degree homicide cases, one California statute precludes any possibility of parole if the defendant kills the victim because of his or her disability, gender, or sexual orientation. (11) Another California statute makes it an aggravating factor that enhances punishment to commit a crime against a victim based on his or her race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, disability, gender, or sexual orientation for the purpose of intimidation or interference with his or her constitutional rights. (12) In Florida, the penalty for misdemeanors and felonies is reclassified if there is evidence of prejudice based on the race, color, ancestry, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, national origin, or on the advanced age of the victim. (13) The Ohio State Legislature, however, has taken a distinctively different approach in the enactment of their ethnic intimidation law. (14) A defendant convicted of an enumerated substantive offense may also be convicted of ethnic intimidation if his or her actions were motivated by bias against someone because of their race, color, religion, or national origin. (15)

II. NEW YORK'S HATE CRIMES STATUTE

New York's Hate Crimes Act of 2000 is codified in Section 485 of the New York Penal Law. (16) The statute enumerates certain already existing criminal transgressions that may be considered a bias crime if the defendant selects the person against whom the crime is committed "because of a belief or perception regarding the race, color, national origin, ancestry, gender, religion, religious practice, age, disability or sexual orientation of a person." (17)

If the defendant is convicted of any of the enumerated offenses in which the crime is classified as a C, D, or E felony or as a misdemeanor--and the crime is motivated by any of the factors spelled out in the statute--the crime for which he is convicted is "deemed to be one category higher than the specified offense." (18) If the defendant is convicted of an offense that is classified as a class B felony, the statute mandates an enhancement of the maximum indeterminate sentence, and if the defendant is convicted of a class A felony, the statute orders an enhancement of the minimum indeterminate sentence. (19) Essentially, the New York law is a sentence-enhancement statute modeled after the Wisconsin hate crime legislation that withstood United States Supreme Court scrutiny in Wisconsin v. Mitchell. (20)

A. Is The New York Hate Crimes Act Necessary or Desirable?

Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver urged the New York Senate to enact bias-crime legislation and exhorted fellow lawmakers to enact The Hate Crimes Act:

   A hate crime is not an attack on one 
person or one piece of 
   property.... It's an attack on an entire community. It's an 
   attack on the freedom [our communities have] a right to 
   enjoy under our Constitution. It is only right, then, that 
   when we punish hate crime, we not only punish the act, but 
   make the act commensurate with the attack that crime 
   represents on our most fundamental principles of 
   government, that each of us is created equal and deserving of 
   equal protection and respect under the law. (21) 

Hillary Clinton, currently a United States Senator from New York, remarked that it was embarrassing that her state did not have a hate crime law, (22) and prosecutors touted the new statute as a necessary and as an essential tool in fighting hate and hate-related violence. (23)

Did the legislators do their homework? For example, did the legislature consider how prevalent bias-related crime is in New York? Is the criminal law an effective means for addressing the problem of ethnic, racial, and religious bias--or does the statute represent symbolic legislation enacted for the political goal of appeasing various demographic constituencies? Will the statute serve as an effective deterrent to bias-motivated crime? In general, do hate crime laws provide a remedy to the victim or do they help rid society of prejudice? Many legal scholars--including noted professor James B. Jacobs at New York University School of Law--argue that these statutes are almost completely ineffective for achieving any of their laudable goals. (24) An overarching concern is whether the government should attempt to legislate against and to punish subjective thought. (25)

B. How Prevalent Are Hate Crimes?

It is impossible to determine just how widespread the instances of hate-motivated violence are in New York. The legislative findings section that precedes the substantive New York statute attempts to shed light on this area of concern in claiming that crimes motivated by "bias and prejudice have become more prevalent in New York state in recent years." (26) The legislators, however, provide little empirical or statistical evidence to substantiate their claim. In fact, the legislative packet is quite sparse, consisting only of a letter from former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani's legislative representative Anthony Piscitelli, a memorandum from the New York State Attorney General's Office, several private attorneys and a few lobbying groups. (27) The letter from the Mayor's office states that there were 390 bias incidents in New York City during 1999, which was down from 513 bias incidents during 1996. (28) Through May of 2000, however, these incidents slightly increased to 183--a growth of nine percent--compared to 166 during the corresponding time period the prior year. (29) The City responded to this increase by forming the Hate Crime Task Force. (30) Unfortunately, the Piscitelli letter does not mention how the incidence of bias crime compares to other criminal activity in the city.

A review of the New York City Police Department's CompStat statistics helps to put the actual prevalence of bias- related crimes in perspective. During 1999, for example, there were 155,859 major crimes committed in New York City that were also enumerated crimes under the Hate Crimes Act. (31) As noted above, there were 390 bias incidents during this same time period. (32) Without doing a statistical analysis--and even without the inclusion of the thousands of offenses not reported by CompStat that are enumerated crimes under the New York statute--it does not appear that bias-related crimes constitute an overwhelming problem in New York City. Even without considering the offenses enumerated under the Hate Crimes Act, which are not included in the CompStat figures, the incidence of bias-motivated crime in New York City appears to be less than 0.2 percent--fewer than one in five-hundred criminal acts. Given the extremely low reported incidence of bias crimes, one must wonder why the legislators found it imperative to enact special legislation to address an almost nonexistent problem. As is often the case in politics, it is not necessarily the pressing issue that gets attention, but rather, the cause that enjoys vocal proponents. (33)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-09-27   22:40:29 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#0)

hmm as I read this made me wonder how this will affect those who are fighting the illegal issue..

S. 1105 (html) | S. 1105 (pdf)

110th CONGRESS
1st Session
S. 1105

To provide Federal assistance to States, local jurisdictions, and Indian tribes to prosecute hate crimes, and for other purposes.

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

April 12, 2007

Mr. KENNEDY (for himself, Mr. SMITH, Mr. LEAHY, Mr. SPECTER, Ms. MIKULSKI, Ms. COLLINS, Mr. MENENDEZ, Ms. SNOWE, Mr. BROWN, Mr. KERRY, Mr. DURBIN, Mr. LAUTENBERG, Mr. DODD, Mr. NELSON of Nebraska, Mrs. FEINSTEIN, Mr. LEVIN, Mr. HARKIN, Mr. WHITEHOUSE, Ms. STABENOW, Mr. BIDEN, Mrs. MURRAY, Mr. BAYH, Ms. CANTWELL, Mr. CARDIN, Mr. LIEBERMAN, Mr. REED, Mr. SCHUMER, Mr. OBAMA, Mrs. BOXER, Ms. KLOBUCHAR, Mr. AKAKA, Mr. BINGAMAN, Mrs. CLINTON, Ms. LANDRIEU, Mr. ROCKEFELLER, Mrs. LINCOLN, Mr. CASEY, Mrs. MCCASKILL, Mr. INOUYE, Mr. NELSON of Florida, Mr. SALAZAR, and Mr. JOHNSON) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary


A BILL

To provide Federal assistance to States, local jurisdictions, and Indian tribes to prosecute hate crimes, and for other purposes.

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

SEC. 2. FINDINGS.

SEC. 3. DEFINITION OF HATE CRIME.

SEC. 4. SUPPORT FOR CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS AND PROSECUTIONS BY STATE, LOCAL, AND TRIBAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS.

SEC. 5. GRANT PROGRAM.

SEC. 6. AUTHORIZATION FOR ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL TO ASSIST STATE, LOCAL, AND TRIBAL LAW ENFORCEMENT.

SEC. 7. PROHIBITION OF CERTAIN HATE CRIME ACTS.

`Sec. 249. Hate crime acts

SEC. 8. STATISTICS.

SEC. 9. SEVERABILITY.

Zipporah  posted on  2007-09-27   22:52:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Zipporah (#15)

hmm as I read this made me wonder how this will affect those who are fighting the illegal issue..

you're right to wonder...I had forgotten about this. Patriots causing injury or death defending the borders just became guilty of a hate crime. The "many bands with" the Khazars [Magog] just got a free pass to wage war on Americans. I know you and I disagree on this....I believe this was all prophesied to happen to us:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze038.html#12

I guess we take it as far as we can [ http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/2Cr/2Cr010.html#4 - 6 ], and let God take care of the rest.

a little precedent:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/2Ch/2Ch020.html#11 - 30.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-09-27   23:50:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: scrapper2 (#9)

And will the prosecutors be trained ( brain washed)to put a greater value on one individual's life over another's depending one whether or not they are affliated with a "special" group that society values more dearly? Is this what our justice system has devolved to - state sanctioned justice for some more so than others.

Well, that's their plan....

"... If a heathen smites a Jew, he is worthy of death . . . He who smites an Israelite on the jaw, is as though he had thus assaulted the Divine Presence; for it is written, 'One who smiteth man [I.e., an Israelite] attacketh the Holy One.' (Sanhedrin, 58b.)

A Jew -- any Jew -- is the Divine Presence, the Holy One. Get it?..."

Merry Christmas, AND OFF WITH YOUR HEAD!

http://www.public-action.com/christmas.html

"UPON SEIZING THE REINS OF GOVERNMENT......Jewish courts ... will be granted full legal sovereignty over Jewish citizens within each country, who will no longer be subject to the authority of gentile courts.

The pre-existing Noachide judges and courts will replace the existing court system of each country, and the legal code will be drastically rewritten to conform to halacha....[Jewish law]

http://www.cephas-library.com/nwo/nwo_noachide_judge_and_courts_will_replace_ours.html

Now that they have the law, they just have to tweak it to outlaw Christianity....

...."The emotion of hate is an unfortunate reality of the human experience. But it is not a crime unless accompanied by a criminal action – and even then it is the action that is within the police power of the government, not the emotion." he said. "The reality is that 'hate' crime laws are designed to punish people for what they think, feel, or believe."

And even more problematic, he said, is the inclusion of a definition of 'hate crime' from section 280003(a) of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994. "There is legitimate concern that once Congress makes any 'hate' crime a federal offense, the categories of crime will expand to include speech that causes someone to 'feel' intimidated, just as they have in other places such as Australia, Canada, and Sweden," he said.

Lavy's analysis noted that in New Jersey already it is a "hate crime" to communicate in a manner likely to cause "annoyance or alarm." ....

Christians in bull's-eye in new 'hate crimes' plan Congress working to create penalties for non-PC views Posted: April 26, 2007

see the poster of Jesus Christ, WANTED for violation of the proposed hate crimes law......

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55392

U.S. State Department Says New Testament Is "Anti-Semitic"? [and so is anyone who is anti-Zionist state. http://www.rense.com/general67/state.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-09-28   0:16:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#17)

the categories of crime will expand to include speech that causes someone to 'feel' intimidated, just as they have in other places such as Australia, Canada, and Sweden," he said.

Lavy's analysis noted that in New Jersey already it is a "hate crime" to communicate in a manner likely to cause "annoyance or alarm." ....

See, there's where foxieloxie reaches a stumbling block - the US enshrined rights - to freedom of expression and freedom of association with no interference from gov't - which nations like Aussieland and Kanata constitutions do not specifically enshrine as rights for their citizens.

New jersey can pass whatever law it wants but the first time some one cares to challenge a New Jersey law which encroaches on constitutionally enshrined rights for the individual - New Jersey loses.

Not to say that we should be content that foxieloxie is permanently blocked - the enemy of Americans' freedoms never sleeps and neither do the enemy's gov't agents - but for a good long time I'd wager that foxieloxie has been checkmated by the Founding Fathers.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-09-28   0:28:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Zipporah (#15)

(3) State and local authorities are now and will continue to be responsible for prosecuting the overwhelming majority of violent crimes in the United States, including violent crimes motivated by bias. These authorities can carry out their responsibilities more effectively with greater Federal assistance.

Like the States aren't competent or fiscally capable of kicking the dog shit out of people without a gang of federal assistant bullies.

This is simply another case of federal intrusion.

Blame Ahmadinejad for this one !

"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins

noone222  posted on  2007-09-28   0:38:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: scrapper2 (#18)

I guess that remains to be seen. The Noahide Laws basically outlaw the Constitution....saying that our country was FOUNDED ON THE NOAHIDE LAWS. How many unscrupulous Jews and cryptoJews and Judeo-Freemasons sit on the Supreme Court, and will uphold the agenda of their Zionist masters? Are you aware they already heard the Jews defend their bizarre modes of capital punishment, including decapitation?

http://www.jlaw.com/Briefs/capital2.html

Are you aware they hosted a "Talmud party" at the US Supreme Court?

oh, this is good...here's the entire thing:

Researcher

Hypocrites in OUR Supreme Court !!

Sun Oct 9, 2005 22:19

And this is what they did while removing Christianity from OUR courts and schools !!!

Consider the following from Jewish scripture:"EXTERMINATION OF THE CHRISTIANS IS A NECCESARY SACRIFICE" (Zohar, Shemoth)

Subject: Fw: SUPREME COURT SETS UP OFFICE OF TALMUD - ADMINISTRATIVE "LAW" COMMODITIZES THE PEOPLE - PUTRID, EVIL MATTER IN THE HALLS OF JUSTICE This Violates the First Amendment !!!!!

1st Amendment Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

SUPREME COURT SETS UP OFFICE OF TALMUD - ADMINISTRATIVE "LAW" COMMODITIZES THE PEOPLE - PUTRID, EVIL MATTER IN THE HALLS OF JUSTICE

This is the second "dinner" AT the Supreme Court Bldg (since when do they have dinners at the Supreme Court?) for the "Jewish Law" group to assemble with their minions and Supreme Court judges. This is the first article where they admit the "Talmud" is the source of their system.

They say "Jewish Law" as a real deception. It is not "Jewish" or a "religion". It is an abomination against all humanity, stripping us all of our Inherent Rights in a Commercial Process. The HUMAN RENDERING MACHINE, since Babylon, now the basis of the corporate "quasi-judicial court". When the court is not a lawful court it is a killing field where the "slaves" have no rights at all.

The "Jewish law" thing is completely so people cannot discuss it without being branded "anti Semitic". This has NOTHING to do with prejudice against any culture - this is NOT about those intentionally polarizing issues - this is an attack on all that is human and all that is sacred for the Gods of "Mammon" = the love of money.

In a constitutional court the judge is a neutral party, a public servant. In the process of "courts" of commerce the judge is a "god". PLEASE look on our site or other sites, put TALMUD in to a search engine and READ the terrifying agenda these money priests have for America.

The Talmud is the most offensive, disgusting, obscene matter I know of, including allowing "Jews" to rape and murder and torture "slaves" and "children of slaves" (that's ALL non "Jews" according to the rules); kill ten "goyim" for any offense against a "Jew"; sets up a system where in ONE witness WITH NO EVIDENCE CAN BE EXECUTED ON THE SPOT. (THIS IS ALREADY TAKING PLACE IN PALISTINE)

The LAW is based on TWO witnesses (as in the Constitution) it says "two confirming treason" is to charge. We have already two years ago seen in OUR OWN jury trials convictions without evidence, totally directed verdicts and rushed judgments already the process being used now. LEARN about this horrific nightmare planned for global human resource management, ALREADY in process, ALREADY in place - all that is left is if we REALLY ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN - STOP THIS NOW.

This is an OFFICE OF THE TALMUD being established IN THE COURT..... everything else is facade - that is what they are doing.... further evidence of the REAL FACE of the vipers at the top empire building for the global corporate scheme. The UCC is the administrative rules for COMMERCE. The courts now have COMMODITIZED THE HUMANS into their RESOURCE FUNDING STREAMS, to be managed and liquidated of all personal value or assets - only the state and the company and those who are part of their system will be "granted privileges" and NO Bill of Rights exists in this system.

This is the TALMUD being entrenched - Babylonian Slave "Laws" now morphed into the ''Uniform Commercial Code"..... Welcome to the Justice 2020 Courts of Arbitration and Mediation. Please read the articles about how father Bush in l991 made the Talmud "Public Law" - Codifying the NOAHIDE LAWS as the "New World Order religion". In Oregon, governors GOLDSCHMIDT, KITZHABER and REP. RON WYDEN all took their OATHS on the Talmud starting years ago....The "New Community" is called METRO in the NORTHWEST REGION of the NORTH AMERICAN HEMISPHERE of the WESTERN HEMISPHERE, as Bush stated "NO BORDERS FROM THE NORTH POLE TO ARGENTINA". All Sovereignty is lost, the people are NOT the authority in this system only the ones who take a VOW OF KOHL NIDRE (LOOK IT UP!!)

This is NOT constitutional, NOT about "people", NOT Christian or any other spiritual value based culture. It is ANTI HUMAN. These are the MONEY PRIESTS of the bar and corporate managers of the REVENUE and "money" is the ONLY criteria, the profit margins of the programs, NOT the rights of the people. This is SYSTEMIC, completely by design an INTENTIONAL, only the people have been deceived not to see it as they have been setting this in place ..... it is there now....

This is TREASON as blatant as could be, right in front of everyone -

THESE ARE NOT LAWFUL JUDGES - THE US SUPREME COURT IS NOT AN ARTICLE III COURT - THESE ARE USURPERS - OCCUPIERS OF THE LAWFUL OFFICES COMMITTING TREASON OUTSIDE OF CONSTITUTIONAL SCOPE OF LAW.

WHO WILL STOP THEM ???? THEY ARE STEALING ALL OUR CHILDREN AND HOMES, LAND - RIGHTS - FUTURE...... ALREADY DONE IT....IF WE LET THEM GET ANY FURTHER INTO THEIR AGENDA.....

We have ONE thread that our FREEDOM is hanging by at this time in America, the PROCESS of the Bill of Rights. If we allow these traitors to exercise this non constitutional administrative process there will not be anywhere for the people to STAND.

It is up to all of us if we allow these vipers to continue in their agenda. These are the very Pharisees Jesus called "offspring of vipers, sons of serpents - your father is a liar and a liar from the beginning" -He turned over their "money tables" as they had made a house of prostitution and filth of the sacred Law and this is exactly the case today, agaisnt the SAME EVIL MATTER. DO NOT BE DECEIVED.

National Institute for Pharisee/Judaic-Law Being Set-Up in Washington, D.C.

Subject: Fw: THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE FOR JUDAIC LAW! Being Set Up In Washington,D.C..

Jewish law institute launched in DC

By Janine Zacharia

The Jerusalem Post

Jewish legal experts have created a new institute that will educate jurists and others about 2,000 years of Jewish law and promote the application of the teachings to contemporary legal disputes and other modern-day issues.

The launch of the Washington-based National Institute for Judaic Law was marked Tuesday night with a kosher dinner at the Supreme Court attended by 200 people, including three Supreme Court Justices - Ruth Bader Ginsberg, Stephen Breyer, and Antonin Scalia.

US President George W. Bush sent greetings and applauded the institute for promoting an "understanding of Judaism's rich tradition of legal thought."

"As we face new challenges and welcome new opportunities, our society must continue to promote good character and strong values. Through the study and teaching of Jewish law and philosophy you are contributing to a growing culture of service, citizenship, and responsibility in America, "Bush wrote. (You can bet the Moron didn't write it !! His Jew Puppet Masters did !!)

Scalia, in a letter to the institute's founder, Noson Gurary, wrote that "Jewish law is certainly one of the oldest and most highly developed systems" and explained why the comparative study of legal traditions was beneficial.

"The idea is to make Jewish law more accessible to everyone," said Washington lawyer Alyza Lewin. Both Lewin and her father Nathan Lewin are helping establish the institute.

Last year, Alyza Lewin filed a brief to the Supreme Court based on the Talmud's take on capital punishment when the court was readying to hear a case on the constitutionality of the electric chair.

"Legal scholars often like to know what other legal traditions have said about certain issues," said Alyza Lewin. Filing that kind of opinion is only part of the institute's mandate. It will also promote the teaching of Jewish law, develop curricula on Jewish law that can be integrated into traditional law school courses, and serve as a resource for anyone wanting to know what the vast Jewish legal tradition has to say on various issues.

The institute's first project, already underway, explores how Jewish law can be applied to modern-day issues surrounding corporate ethics, an idea spurred by the recent corporate scandals involving Enron and Worldcom.

[ Comment: the justification being the heavy involvement of Jewish criminals in those examples? (Mere sarcasm, of course)

Gurary, who teaches at the State University of New York at Buffalo, thought up the idea of the institute about nine months ago. "By demonstrating the philosophy of Jewish law and its moral values, we can bring a little beacon of light in this world," Gurary said. "I think this is what we need now, in this day and age."

(NOTHING ABOUT THIS APPEARED IN THE MEDIA OF AMERICA!) (Which is controlled by Jews)

For All....Recent Facts--Not covered by America's Media!

Attached is proof that massive changes to our legal system are underway! It has been going on for centuries, only today, our blinded Shepherds are so enamored of foolish CI Schofield ideas about end time events that their Church doctrines are 180 degrees out of phase with reality and the Truth!

The insidious determination of the Talmudists to destroy the Christian Faith must also insure that the Common Law basis or America's legal system be destroyed or changed to accommodate the Laws of Judaism as predominant!

And now, with a Justice Department dedicated to promote Talmudic Judaism, the Supreme Court has also fallen into the trap.

Yet, the confusion and deceit that has seen the moral compass of America spinning on its axis, there will be a resolution to this issue! The "Tares", represented by those so antithetical to Christianity will be purged....JRN

Note: If you wish to be removed from this list, please advise and you will be taken off...

For All American Christians

All of those American "Christians" who see in our internal Talmuds, a value, a critical aspect to their future, must think again....Here, in plain, unvarnished facts we can see the last step in that long road to Talmudic Dominion over the lives of Christians...The entire system of Jurisprudence in America will now be submerged and blended into the Talmudic legal system which is not characterized by elements of Christian "Mercy" but by the theme of the Talmud, "Vengeance".! We can even see one of our "Christian" Supreme Court members promoting this idea that Jewish law must be considered when adjudicating American cases before the courts.

How this came about, certainly can be tracked, as it is now being capped by this proposed Washington D.C. school to 'properly' educate our Judiciary in the 'niceties' and" vagaries' of the ancient Talmudic system of Justice---something that came out of the Babyonian experience of the Pharisees of ancient Judah, the mixed, co-mingled, intermarried "Judah", whose genetic blends of Esau/Edom and Bablyonian genetics along with a smattering of ancient Judah was to return from Babylon after 70 years of a mild captivity... But, in returning, it was as a "Jewish" nation vice Hebrew, which, as it has been admitted, died in that captivity and Babylonian Talmudic Judaism became the new faith of these Jews. When the Bible addresses this event of the "return," it is found in Daniel 9:23-24...There, we can see the words that contain the "charter" for the Jewish Nation. (quoting)

"A nation destined to endure for seventy prophetic weeks; on a scale of a day for a year, or 490 years (Ezek.4:5-6). This nation was chosen of God to supply the background and surroundings for the coming Messiah (Dan.9:24-27). When those purposes were accomplished, the Jews rejected Christ as their Savior when they cried: "Crucify Him, Crucify Him. His blood be on us and our children." (Matt.27:22-25)

They rejected Christ as King, also by declaring, "We have no king but Caesar" (John 19:15), thus violating their own law, according to which they should not acknowledge a king who was not of their own race.(Deut.17).

The legitimate mission of the Jewish Nation thus ended, and by their own actions they terminated their national charter even as Christ had previously told them: "The Kingdom of God shall be taken from you...."(Matt.21:43) Note in this connection the marginal rendering of one line in Daniel 9:26, "The Jews they shall no more be his people." The dispersion of the Jews began when the Romans captured Jerusalem in 70 A.D. The dispersions and judgments pronounced upon them as found in Jeremiah 24:8-10, have continued down through the centuries, and the end is not yet." (Source: Israel, Juda hand the Jew, by Lauritz Larsen.)

With such a background, it is becoming clear that the prediction of Isaac in Genesis 27:40, (last line) made to a whining Esau, complaining at having lost both birthright and blessing...Isaac tells him that he will live by the sword and serve his brother, Jacob, but, here is where we are today: "...it shall come to pass when thou shalt have the dominion that thou shalt break his yoke from off they neck." Esau has removed that yoke, in fact the Yoke now is around the neck of Jacob...a second time, as was also forecast in many Biblical references, by God...

In Jeremiah 30:3, find this: "For, lo, the days come saith the Lord, that I will bring again the captivity of My people Israel and Judah..." This second captivity of Israel is confirmed in verse 18: "Thus saith the Lord: Behold, I will bring again the captivity of Jacob's tents, and have mercy on his dwelling places:..." Go also to Isaiah 11:11, Hosea 1:11, Zechariah 10:6 & 10 to find almost identical comments of God related to this final captivity of Jacob/Israel, but note too that this also includes "Judah."

Unusual, but, when we realize that this special Judah has no relationship to today's Jews, then we can begin to understand why the Talmudic Jews are so adamant about taking control of His true Israel, now gathered in America....The Judah here, is that Judah taken along with the ten tribes of the northern Nation of Israel by the Assyrians in 721B.C....Read II Kings 18:13 to see proof of this fact! Even the British Museum has a prism written by Sennacherib that confirms the taking of "most of the fenced cities of Judah." Only Jerusalem remained.

Having established that fact that today's Jacob/'Israel is under dominion, we can find confirmation and proof of this fact by considering events that our Congress fell for, duped by the cleverness of the Talmudists...As a precursor to this setting up of a Talmudic School for Judges, some members of Congress in 1991 chose to give an aging Rabbi a birthday present, which was the approval and legalizing of the seven Noahide Laws of the Talmud...Legalized and established and codified into American Law....PL102-14, now the Noahide Laws that are to be the basis of America's jurisprudence...Pres. Bush I, signed it into law in March 1991....

Now, it does not take much to see the purpose behind the setup of a "National Institute for Judaic Law" to promote the application of the teachings of the Talmud....but in reality, the basis for the proper adjudication of cases under the Noahide Law....The Talmud is the basis and guide for ascertaining the niceties of the Talmudic law, and without proper training, the decisions from American Judges would be skewed by their earlier Christian indoctrinations and backgrounds... Now, American Christian, you can see what is in store for you and yours!

Your future will be shaped by the rising up of a Jewish controlled and guided legal system, to accompany their dominions in other fields...Proving, as far as I can see, those words of the Lord in Matthew 13, wherein Jes

Main Page - Sunday, 10/09/05

http://www.apfn.net/Messageboard/10-09-05/discussion.cgi.88.html

We have a battle on our hands....maybe the sleeping Christians will awake at last.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-09-28   0:52:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#0)

B'rer Bush: "Please, please, don't throw me into that briar patch, Komrades."

lol!

Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today!

robin  posted on  2007-09-28   1:55:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: scrapper2 (#18)

New jersey can pass whatever law it wants but the first time some one cares to challenge a New Jersey law which encroaches on constitutionally enshrined rights for the individual - New Jersey loses.

The same court that legalized the murder of unborn babies (sacrifices to their god), legalized slavery (stating that blacks were 3/5 human) will also determine the legitimacy of "hate" crimes if that's what they're told to do. Keep in mind, forced integration, bussing, and the continuing invasion of federal rats with Supreme Court approval, before you think that New Jersey loses.

The Supremes ain't gonna halt the feds, they are the feds ... it's up to us.

"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins

noone222  posted on  2007-09-28   7:37:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: noone222 (#22) (Edited)

The Supremes ain't gonna halt the feds, they are the feds ... it's up to us.

I know you meant to include God in that statement.....

With such a background, it is becoming clear that the prediction of Isaac in Genesis 27:40, (last line) made to a whining Esau, complaining at having lost both birthright and blessing...Isaac tells him that he will live by the sword and serve his brother, Jacob, but, here is where we are today: "...it shall come to pass when thou shalt have the dominion that thou shalt break his yoke from off they neck." Esau has removed that yoke, in fact the Yoke now is around the neck of Jacob...a second time, as was also forecast in many Biblical references, by God...

[of course, Christians are Jacob/Israel]

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Rom/9/8.html

...and God said HE will remove our yoke

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jer/Jer030.html#8

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Jer/30/8.html

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Isa/10/27.html

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze039.html#21 , whole chapter; Ezekiel 38 as well.

But you are correct, He doesn't expect we will just [sit] around on our duffs:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Mic/4/13.html

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-09-28   13:51:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#23)

The Supremes ain't gonna halt the feds, they are the feds ... it's up to us.

I know you meant to include God in that statement.....

Yeah, I'm just gonna keep em busy til He shows up !

"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins

noone222  posted on  2007-09-30   21:06:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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