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Title: US gearing up for war with Iran, despite denials
Source: The Star
URL Source: http://thestar.com.my/columnists/st ... s/midweek/19062404&sec=Midweek
Published: Oct 3, 2007
Author: BUNN NAGARA
Post Date: 2007-10-03 11:24:00 by Eoghan
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AFTER weeks of speculation over a US military attack on Iran, events moved closer towards war this week.

Last Friday attempts by the United States, Britain and France to push for new sanctions against Iran at the UN Security Council were blocked by Russia and China as the other permanent five council members.

As before, frustrating such attempted measures could be less an indication of no action at all than a sign of an alternative military option. As with Iraq in 2003, UN consensus even at Security Council level was never needed for an illegal war.

Washington argues that Iran is planning to build a nuclear bomb, despite Teheran's insistence that its nuclear project is only for generating electricity. Again as with Iraq before, no proof of the existence of any "weapons of mass destruction" is needed to start a war for the purpose.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said last week that the subject of his country's nuclear project was a closed issue, to be handled by the UN's International Atomic Energy Agency. US hawks are concerned that this would take the matter out of US hands and prevent the possibility of a unilateral war.

Leading neo-conservatives, US Zionists and Israeli officials hope to keep the option of such a war open, even likely. Some of them, like the influential Norman Podhoretz, have recently consulted privately with President George W. Bush in pushing for war.

The US position is that all options against Iran are on the table, including unilateral pre-emptive strikes. Meanwhile, US sources have been instructed to dig up the dirt on Iran to justify imminent military action, to add to claims that Iran is already breaching two sets of UN sanctions.

However, outgoing British ambassador to the United States Sir David Manning played down the prospect of war as he prepared to leave office this week. He said he is unaware of any definite plans for war, differentiating between what is being discussed and what is happening on the ground.

All of this is eerily familiar, including Sir David's not being consulted on a war. Britain as Washington's "closest ally" could be handed a fait accompli on the battlefield again after the White House and the Pentagon have made their plans.

The State Department reportedly prefers a combination of sanctions and diplomacy to war. But it is under pressure to deliver, and its position could be weakening.

Events on the ground are now drifting to a war early next year, if not late this year. US and Israeli hardliners see Israel57;s recent air attack on Syria as a successful "dry run" against Iran.

On Sunday, British news reports said the US air force and its equivalents in Gulf allies Jordan and the United Arab Emirates have also stepped up joint training in a prospective air attack on Iranian nuclear installations.

The scenario apparently does not depict direct involvement by these Gulf states in a war. However, senior military and government leaders in these countries have bought into the idea that key assistance to US forces like logistics, refuelling and use of air space will not implicate them in the war per se.

Meanwhile, Iran has some options to forestall a military attack, including pulling support from Hamid Karzai's Afghanistan where the Taliban are making gains while British forces withdraw to US dismay. But while this may delay, deflect, distract or even dislocate the US war machine, it may not be enough to stop a new war.

Seeing the US-Israel connection in a possible attack, Iran has threatened to retaliate against Israel with missiles if it is attacked. But even this may not deter unilateralists smitten with war mania.

Bush is not running for re-election next year, and the Republican Party looks increasingly unlikely to win as well. So the White House could well pull a "hat trick" with a third war in two terms, leaving the mess and the costs to a new Democratic administration.

The Democrats would be wise to stop impending war plans, but are unlikely to. Leading presidential contenders like Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John Edwards recently showed they could not even withdraw from the second war in Iraq, despite their party's Congressional mandate for them to do so.


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#1. To: Eoghan (#0)

Is the U.S. planning to strike Iran?

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21107443/

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robin  posted on  2007-10-03   11:25:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Eoghan (#0)

SEYMOUR HERSH: Money. A lot of the Jewish money from New York. Come on, let's not kid about it. A significant percentage of Jewish money, and many leading American Jews support the Israeli position that Iran is an existential threat. And I think it's as simple as that. When you're from New York and from New York City, you take the view of -- right now, when you're running a campaign, you follow that line. And there's no other explanation for it, because she's [Hillary Clinton] smart enough to know the downside.

AMY GOODMAN: And Obama and Edwards?

SEYMOUR HERSH: I -- you know, it's shocking. It's really surprising and shocking, but there we are. That's American politics circa 2007.

Face it: the reason we are going to war against Iran -a war opposed by an overwhelming majority of Americans- is because America is no longer a "democracy," in that it is not ruled by its "demos": its citizenry. It is closer at present to a Judaeocracy: "government of the Jews, by the Jews, and for the Jews."

"Aux armes, citoyens! Formez vos bataillons! Marchons! Marchons! Qu'un sang impur abreuve nos sillons!"

Peetie Wheatstraw  posted on  2007-10-03   15:04:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#2)

It would be interesting to see a poll of Jewish Americans on whether we should go to war with Iran. I suspect a substantial majority would oppose such a war.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-10-03   15:07:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#2)

Wow, Hersh really said that? That's an eye-openner. Hat's off to him.

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Eoghan  posted on  2007-10-03   15:13:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Eoghan (#0)

Leading neo-conservatives, US Zionists and Israeli officials hope to keep the option of such a war open, even likely.

What...no Jews?

LoL!

Split  posted on  2007-10-03   15:15:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: aristeides (#3)

It would be interesting to see a poll of Jewish Americans on whether we should go to war with Iran. I suspect a substantial majority would oppose such a war.

That does not alter the fact that the prime movers for war against Iran are Jewish, who are using their monetary clout to get an overwhelming majority of American politicians -Gentile and Jewish- lining up to support aggression against Iran on some mendacious pretext or another. Where is the Jewish organization lobbying to stop a war with Iran - either on the basis that it harms America's interests or Jewish interests (since it certainly does both)?

At any rate, as of two years ago, according to a Jewish Daily Forward article, US Jews were about evenly in favor of such a strike against Iran by the US, and a year later, a clear majority -95% if I'm adding the numbers correctly- favored a strike by either Israel or the US against Iran (38% favoring a strike by the US, and 57% supporting a strike by Israel). I don't mean to be sardonic, but do you really think many of that 57% which supported a strike by Israel were unaware that such a strike would probably inexorably involve the US as well?

"Aux armes, citoyens! Formez vos bataillons! Marchons! Marchons! Qu'un sang impur abreuve nos sillons!"

Peetie Wheatstraw  posted on  2007-10-03   15:25:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Eoghan (#4)

Wow, Hersh really said that? That's an eye-openner. Hat's off to him.

Here's the link to the transcript.

And by the way, I do acknowledge and commend the fact that there are Jewish Americans like Hersh that fully understand that the planned attack on Iran will be both bad for the Jews and bad for America.

"Aux armes, citoyens! Formez vos bataillons! Marchons! Marchons! Qu'un sang impur abreuve nos sillons!"

Peetie Wheatstraw  posted on  2007-10-03   15:28:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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