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Title: IRS TAX LIEN FRAUD ... Stop forfeiture
Source: Google
URL Source: http://video.google.com/videoplay?d ... =10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
Published: Oct 6, 2007
Author: unknown
Post Date: 2007-10-06 05:44:55 by noone222
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Views: 220
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#7. To: noone222 (#0) (Edited)

Irwin Schiff did the best analysis of section A of 6331.

The reason that the IRS can seize a govt employee's or officer's property with a notice of lien is because it is presumed that the property (the wages) are already in the govt's possession.

The notice of lien comes AFTER the seizure, so that is why it cannot be lawfully filed against a private citizen whose property is not already under the govt's control.

In his newsletter THE SCHIFF REPORT years ago he also had reproductions of actual IRS liens and notices, and they are different documents with different control numbers.

The govt never files actual liens that describe the property seized, because it would require a hearing where a citizen could dispute the debt and force the IRS to prove its case.

So, because county recorders trip over themselves to accommodate the IRS the tax goons get away with this swindle, and most people don't know enough to ask the right questions.

And, their lawyers tell 'em, "Oh yeah, it's all legal!" because damned few lawyers would want to anger the IRS even if they knew the truth.

Half of America's lawyers are tax lawyers, and the other half benefit because they don't have to compete with the others. (there are only so many old ladies to swindle) So, all lawyers derive a direct benefit from the IRS and the income tax swindle.

And, no lawyer wants to win the case that puts half of the profession out of business.

Years ago some unidentified IRS lackey sent me a notice of lien. The document liened and identified no actual property and the sig on the paper was scribbled and unreadable.

I laffed my ass off! I spent two hours on the phone with one IRS stooge, and he did everything he could to try and intimidate me.

I said "I'm callng your goddam bluff! If you have some mechanism that can compel me to comply then use it!"

That was about 15 years ago, and I'm still waiting.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-10-06   21:44:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#8. To: HOUNDDAWG (#7)

Wiki:

"Irwin A. Schiff (b. 1928) is a prominent member of the United States group which refers to itself as the tax honesty movement, and which has been referred to by the Internal Revenue Service and other government agencies as the tax protester movement. Schiff is known for writing and promoting literature that claims the United States income tax is applied incorrectly. He has lost several civil cases against the federal government and has a record of multiple convictions for various federal tax crimes. As of 2007 Schiff is serving a 13- plus year sentence for tax crimes at the United States Penitentiary at Lewisburg, Pennsylvania. His projected release date is 7 October 2016."

Sounds like an authority.

nobody  posted on  2007-10-06 22:26:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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