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Title: Are Ed and Elaine Brown Dead?
Source: Keene Free Press
URL Source: http://www.keenefreepress.com/mambo ... ent&task=view&id=630&Itemid=36
Published: Oct 6, 2007
Author: Kat Kanning
Post Date: 2007-10-07 12:39:01 by JiminyC
Keywords: None
Views: 3269
Comments: 258

Are Ed and Elaine Brown dead? We don't know - the government won't tell where they are, so we cannot verify their condition. If Ed and Elaine had been hurt during their arrest, it would be in the government's interest to withhold this information, since they obviously fear a violent reaction to the arrest from Brown supporters. Until the government chooses to divulge information on the Brown's whereabouts, we will be unable to verify their condition and will have to assume the worst.

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#14. To: JiminyC (#0)

Ed "Lewis" as chose to be called at the end of his freedom turned out to be a few cards short of a full deck. God bless him and his wife but they made a mess of what remains of their life. If I were making their income I'd have hired a crackerjack CPA and paid as least tribute as possible to the authorities and gone on with my life.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-10-07   16:16:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

They have more conviction and courage in their little fingertip than you'll ever hope to have.

angle  posted on  2007-10-07   18:56:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

conviction and courage, yes, but you can't deny that their decisions from beginning to this end has ruined their lives. they are both in their 60s. the feds are going to pile more charges on them and they'll be lucky if they ever see each other again. as hard as this is to say, they'll probably die behind bars. not only that, the government will take everything they own. so much for the Live Free or Die motto. i would bet that right now they're regretting the decisions they made too.

Tom Cryer lucked out in his case. he said so and he and Larry Becraft both advised everyone, "folks don't try this at home."

christine  posted on  2007-10-07   19:31:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Agreed.. now what? What they've worked for all their lives will be gone.. done ..finished. All the time and money wasted for what was a losing proposition from the start.. there are battles and there are battles this isnt one that was winnable IMO.

Zipporah  posted on  2007-10-07   19:49:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Agreed.. now what? What they've worked for all their lives will be gone.. done ..finished. All the time and money wasted for what was a losing proposition from the start.. there are battles and there are battles this isnt one that was winnable IMO.

What we are seeing in cases such as this is the same thing ancient tyrants did when they had petty lords in far off regions ignoring their demands for tribute: They lay siege on the recalcitrant, they eventually go in, seize the recalcitrant, and promptly impale him for all to see. They seize all his property, and cast forever his memory as an enemy of the state.

These two will never see the light of day again, sadly.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-10-07   20:24:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

What we are seeing in cases such as this is the same thing ancient tyrants did when they had petty lords in far off regions ignoring their demands for tribute: They lay siege on the recalcitrant, they eventually go in, seize the recalcitrant, and promptly impale him for all to see. They seize all his property, and cast forever his memory as an enemy of the state.

These two will never see the light of day again, sadly.

IMO it was a fool's mission.. those who have money will not win.. and as I said b/f to what end? Exactly what has happened.. they've lost everything.. their legacy is just as youve said.. enemies of the state. Those who encouraged these people to stay the course.. need to be flogged.

Zipporah  posted on  2007-10-07   20:29:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

IMO it was a fool's mission..

My god, so was Paul freakin Revere's.

angle  posted on  2007-10-07   21:34:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

My god, so was Paul freakin Revere's.

No, Revere had an army of patriots behind him and he/they fired a shot. We don't, hence a useless effort.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-10-07   22:10:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

No, Revere had an army of patriots behind him and he/they fired a shot. We don't, hence a useless effort.

So you think no patriots suffered greatly at the hands of the king PRIOR to Paul Revere's ride? It all started that night? He came with a ready made army and there was no quibbling, or violent disagreements amongst the colonists about which course of action should be taken.

RidinShotgun  posted on  2007-10-07   22:14:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

My point is all this founding rather nonsense is ancient history. What back then could be challenged, man to man, on even terms with muskets is now an absurd notion. For Ed “Lewis” Brown to have an open door policy to his home while at the same time thinking he could put a dent in a Kevlar vest with a .45 cal. was lunacy. I’d have paid my taxes, call me what you want.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-10-07   22:27:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

My point is all this founding rather nonsense is ancient history. What back then could be challenged, man to man, on even terms with muskets is now an absurd notion.

Wrong.

The Price They Paid by Gary Hildreth

Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence?

Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died. Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. Two lost their sons in the Revolutionary Army, another had two sons captured. Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War.

They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor.

What kind of men were they? Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well educated. But they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured.

Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags.

Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward.

Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton.

At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt.

Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months.

John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished. A few weeks later he died from exhaustion and a broken heart. Norris and Livingston suffered similar fates.

Such were the stories and sacrifices of the American Revolution. These were not wild eyed, rabble-rousing ruffians. They were soft-spoken men of means and education. They had security, but they valued liberty more. Standing tall, straight, and unwavering, they pledged: "For the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of the divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor."

RidinShotgun  posted on  2007-10-07   22:42:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Is this the story that came out several years ago? One that I believe Pat Buchanan made note of; there were numerous radio hosts that did likewise. IIRC, it was essentially debunked.

rowdee  posted on  2007-10-08   0:05:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

IIRC, it was essentially debunked.

I just love it when somebody says something "was debunked" without telling us by whom it was debunked, or when, or giving any details of its debunking.

So are you saying these people didn't exist? Or that they just weren't harmed by the British? Are we supposed to believe the run-up to the revolution was sterile and passive? What?

RidinShotgun  posted on  2007-10-08   9:00:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I just love it when somebody says something "was debunked" without telling us by whom it was debunked, or when, or giving any details of its debunking.

So are you saying these people didn't exist? Or that they just weren't harmed by the British? Are we supposed to believe the run-up to the revolution was sterile and passive? What?

Some are true and some false according to Snopes, I also remember it being said it wasn't all together true at the height of it's going around.

www.snopes.com/history/american/pricepaid.asp

Japedo  posted on  2007-10-08   9:47:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Some are true and some false according to Snopes, I also remember it being said it wasn't all together true at the height of it's going around.

How sad. They died in vain.

RidinShotgun  posted on  2007-10-08   9:55:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

How sad. They died in vain.

Well legends have a ring of truth to them, but they are dressed up for a better sell to keep it going. I don't think there's anything wrong with that necessarily as it does serve as a reminder, It's just not all together true is all. I don't believe they died in vain.

I have a small hope not all is gone, albeit that hope realistically is diminishing rather quickly.

Japedo  posted on  2007-10-08   9:59:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Well legends have a ring of truth to them, but they are dressed up for a better sell to keep it going. I don't think there's anything wrong with that necessarily as it does serve as a reminder, It's just not all together true is all. I don't believe they died in vain.

I have a small hope not all is gone, albeit that hope realistically is diminishing rather quickly.

Actually, if you take a good look around at the direction this country has taken in the past three hundred years, you'll have to admit that they did, in fact, die in vain, regardless of whether or not you know their names and circumstances.

But believe me, no one will remember the Browns in three hundred years (maybe three hundred days) and shoot, Pat Tillman's murder was being covered up before his body was even cold. We're making progress.

RidinShotgun  posted on  2007-10-08   10:09:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Actually, if you take a good look around at the direction this country has taken in the past three hundred years, you'll have to admit that they did, in fact, die in vain, regardless of whether or not you know their names and circumstances.

But believe me, no one will remember the Browns in three hundred years (maybe three hundred days) and shoot, Pat Tillman's murder was being covered up before his body was even cold. We're making progress.

There's really no argument to anything you've stated here sadly other then the fact that they died in vain.

They submitted a concept if nothing else and a precedent to follow. It can be done but it requires to much work, people are to lazy to be free, to irresponsible. Maybe that will change again someday. The revolution happened with a small group of people, yet another good example. Huge change in this country is usually done by the few with the majority kicking and screaming all the way, yet another thing to focus on. :)

Japedo  posted on  2007-10-08   10:20:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#80. To: Japedo (#78)

There's really no argument to anything you've stated here sadly other then the fact that they died in vain.

I think if those who died could rise up from their graves and get a look at us today, they'd beg to differ with you. They would probably agree, however, that people who cheer the incarceration of the few who actively rebel against tyranny are too lazy and irresponsible to deserve freedom.

And, of course, if you read the anti federalist papers you'll see that there were people way back then who predicted that a central government would result in our downfall.

RidinShotgun  posted on  2007-10-08 10:31:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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