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Title: Are Ed and Elaine Brown Dead?
Source: Keene Free Press
URL Source: http://www.keenefreepress.com/mambo ... ent&task=view&id=630&Itemid=36
Published: Oct 6, 2007
Author: Kat Kanning
Post Date: 2007-10-07 12:39:01 by JiminyC
Keywords: None
Views: 3067
Comments: 258

Are Ed and Elaine Brown dead? We don't know - the government won't tell where they are, so we cannot verify their condition. If Ed and Elaine had been hurt during their arrest, it would be in the government's interest to withhold this information, since they obviously fear a violent reaction to the arrest from Brown supporters. Until the government chooses to divulge information on the Brown's whereabouts, we will be unable to verify their condition and will have to assume the worst.

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You and I deal in the reality of America today, not what we wish it would be.

If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

RidinShotgun  posted on  2007-10-08   15:09:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If I had my choice of myths, I'd surely put lawyers in that catagory and make Santa real.

That's because you don't know the difference between your fantasies and reality.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-10-08   15:09:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That's because you don't know the difference between your fantasies and reality.

Unfortunately I do. That's why I said IF I had a choice.

RidinShotgun  posted on  2007-10-08   15:14:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

blah blah blah blah

The law is only for those who don't have a lawyer to buy their way out of it. The application of "law" is morally bankrupt and corrupt.

The law isn't there to Cherry pick, as stated you have the right to challenge it thru legal recourse. Some believe like the Browns that if you don't like the law you aren't required to follow it. They place themselves above the law by also stating the only law they follow is that of the bible.

The Browns willfully hid money to evade the tax on that money. They also aggravated their situation further by refusing to take part in their own defense. To further thumb their nose and see themselves above the law they made blatant open threats against peoples lives. They have been criminals throughout this entire case, nothing they have done is for righteous causes.

A dumb or stupid law should be repealed and confronted. Breaking the law only makes you a criminal and wins you little if any support.

Japedo  posted on  2007-10-08   15:16:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I do not expect to change the opinion of anyone who feels strongly that the income tax is illegal. I don't even want to address that issue, because it is well settled by the courts that they will enforce the Code.

I do expect to have some impact on readers here who might not think solely in terms of their personal beliefs.

If someone does the things the Browns did, they make their battle personal, and they bring out all the worst of those in government. I do not defend those excesses, but I recognize them. People who wouldn't dream of taunting a pit bull will taunt the government, and the government is a lot more dangerous.

I hope that people who read this will understand that if they are cross ways with the IRS, their best path is not tax protest. That will only subject them to carpet bombing. Negotiate. Get professionals who do this for a living.

People who would never dream of trying to take out their own spleen will try to be their own adviser for tax matters. A guy who will spend 10k on a waverunner won't spend 2k getting good advice on tax matters. It's foolhardy thinking, often with bad results.

Once you piss them off, you're not going to be treated well. The goal is to get out of the trap, not change the IRS.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-10-08   15:28:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Good post and good advice. I agree with you 100%.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-10-08   15:29:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Outstanding post, I couldn't agree more. I wish people would use less emotion and more reason when getting behind causes.

Japedo  posted on  2007-10-08   15:37:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Good post and good advice. I agree with you 100%.

Thanks.

It's unfortunate that for many in online communities, there is no appreciation of the difference between knowing the law and liking it. I hate much of the law, hate much of the judicial system, and know better than anyone how often it leads not to justice, but to injustice. No one knows better than me that money talks and bullshit walks in the law.

If the law is on one side and the money is on the other, bet on the money, not the law. Sad, but true.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-10-08   15:45:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

This is probably a good time to change the thread title to "Tax Lawyers Unite".

RidinShotgun  posted on  2007-10-08   15:49:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Outstanding post, I couldn't agree more. I wish people would use less emotion and more reason when getting behind causes.

Our tax laws need major overhaul, and that means gaining popular support for an idea. We will never change it by having tax protestors fall on their swords, and really, no good is accomplished by their sacrificing themselves on the altar of big government.

A constitutional amendment is one way I think the people could replace the income tax with a fairer tax system. I will always favor the legitimate paths of resistance, however lengthy and laborious they may be.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-10-08   15:50:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

This is probably a good time to change the thread title to "Tax Lawyers Unite".

You've gotten a thousand dollars worth of tax advice.

Free.

You won't take it, though, will you?

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-10-08   15:56:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

RS,

That's an unfair assessment. I have stated as did Paul Revere that we don't necessarily agree with all the laws. We agree to different methods other then what the browns advocate is all. Just because we advocate staying within the realm of the law to change things we don't like about it, doesn't mean we are defending bad laws.

I have stated more then once, that the Browns have done a disservice to real tax protest. They have harmed the cause more then helped it. Being a realist and stating the obvious doesn't make me a defender of tyranny.

Japedo  posted on  2007-10-08   16:00:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thanks. In a year you can send me a bill saying "this bill is one year old" and I'll send you a birthday card.

And since you're an expert on tax code, it shouldn't have been all that difficult for you to pull up the clause where it states "who must file". You didn't do that, though, did you? But I should take your advice?

RidinShotgun  posted on  2007-10-08   16:04:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You argue like a teenager, so I treat you like one.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-10-08   16:05:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Okay, I'll accept that. So what method would you suggest? And please don't say "call your representative".

When the rules are crooked (which they are) and the dice are loaded (which they are), playing the game will bankrupt you. Of course NOT playing the game will bankrupt you, too, so either way you're about to get screwed.

RidinShotgun  posted on  2007-10-08   16:11:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You argue like a teenager, so I treat you like one.

Argue? Me? You said your advice was worth a thousand dollars and I want you to earn it. Show us the code ... who must file?

RidinShotgun  posted on  2007-10-08   16:13:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I suggest a well organized movement staying within the confines of the law and a non-violent approach. This country needs someone to inspire them to overcome the dark cloud of the government. This country as a whole lacks direction and lacks courage. When the people have to much to risk, very few will gamble when they know the cards are stacked against them.

I'm waiting for someone to inspire me.. so far I've seen very little. Lots of good ideas of how things should be, but very little direction in accomplishing that.

I don't know an easy fix for this, that's not to say I'm not open minded to one if someone presents it.

Japedo  posted on  2007-10-08   16:40:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Picking on Ed Brown whilst BushCheneyInc are murdering and stealing in the name of your country?

Hehehe.........you are one funny dude. Have you tried out for the latest commedian reality show or sumthin?

Whatever would possess you to think I have any like or respect for the two dumb sonsabitches whom you think are Murder, Inc., or whatever? What planet do you live on? I was against the bushes and cheneys before you were ever born, sonny.

With that said, I call a spade a spade........a jerk is a jerk, a lyin sonofabitch is a lying sonofabitch....I don't care about party, nor tax status.

Anything else ya wanna complain, or should I say, whine about? Or tack a label on or call a name? Have at it.....

If you think you have a reason to doubt me, check with chrissie-- she's known me for quite a few years now, as has loddy.

rowdee  posted on  2007-10-08   16:40:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

check with chrissie-- she's known me for quite a few years now, as has loddy

Quibblin' over the Browns and their well-intentioned misadventures is a sideshow to the more important emerging fascist state. I just don't agree with Ed Brown being a jerk. Hell He's going to prison while the pricks are having parties and planning their retirement in Paraguay. He at least did something. Naive, too-trusting, not saavy enough, OK. A jerk? I can't in good conscience allow someone who at least did something to be called a jerk unopposed.

angle  posted on  2007-10-08   17:10:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

They have harmed the cause more then helped it.

No. They've brought it to the attention of some. That's a helluva lot more than what most are doing.

angle  posted on  2007-10-08   17:14:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I suggest a well organized movement staying within the confines of the law and a non-violent approach.

Do you have any idea how fast a serious (lawful) movement to alter the status quo is infiltrated and blown apart from within? I've seen that first hand on more than one occasion. Infiltraters join the group, they work to become everybody's best buddy and then little by little they begin to gnaw away on the integrity of the mission and the cohesiveness of the members. Whenever possible, they try to get the leaders to incriminate themselves.

RidinShotgun  posted on  2007-10-08   17:22:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Did some big bad lawyer spank your behind some time?

Get your jollies on with your boyfriend, weirdo. As to my lawyer experience, I know enough to have a well-connected one. And I've seen blatant disregard for the law in many a courtroom with more than a few corrupt judges. Lawyers ain't all that respectable, in my experience.

angle  posted on  2007-10-08   17:27:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Join the Ron Paul Revolution

Lod  posted on  2007-10-08   17:28:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Infiltraters join the group, they work to become everybody's best buddy and then little by little they begin to gnaw away on the integrity of the mission and the cohesiveness of the members.

Sounds a bit like this thread.

angle  posted on  2007-10-08   17:28:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Infiltraters join the group, they work to become everybody's best buddy and then little by little they begin to gnaw away on the integrity of the mission and the cohesiveness of the members.

Sounds a bit like this thread.

Sleeper agents, they're here, they're everywhere.

Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today!

robin  posted on  2007-10-08   17:34:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Sounds a bit like this thread.

Internet forums are a prime target for infiltrators to create hate and discontent among liberty lovers. They'll agree with you on every single thing except the really important stuff. FreeRepublic is a prime example of how good they are at it.

RidinShotgun  posted on  2007-10-08   17:35:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Actually, I think most are really ham-handed and very obvious. But a few are good, the ones you're never quite sure about.

Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today!

robin  posted on  2007-10-08   17:36:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yeah, and I forgot to mention Liberty Forum.

RidinShotgun  posted on  2007-10-08   17:38:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Everyone take a deep breath, or two, and try and remember why most of us are here.

For me, it's to read the breaking news of the world, the weird, and interesting information that other members post.

Let's try to be civil to one another, but if that's not possible, there is a Bozo Filter, and an Ignore Thread filter at our disposal.

We have enough known enemies of freedom, without making enemies of those who should be our friends and allies.

imo

Peace all.

Join the Ron Paul Revolution

Lod  posted on  2007-10-08   17:42:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

No matter how good they are at it, most eventually out themselves, especially when they become moderators. But I think the goal is more about continually interrupting good threads than anything sinister. At least I hope that's correct.

RidinShotgun  posted on  2007-10-08   17:42:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thanks Lodwick.

I'll vote for him in the primary (in NH), I honestly don't see much of another choice. To be honest, I'm a bit disheartened with the state of this nation. There was a time I considered myself a 'broken glass republican' today I'm a Capital L libertarian, although the party itself is in dire need of major direction. It needs to learn the art of winning people to their side and being focused.

Japedo  posted on  2007-10-08   17:48:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I think where disruptive trolls are not allowed, it becomes more sly.

Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today!

robin  posted on  2007-10-08   17:52:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I think where disruptive trolls are not allowed, it becomes more sly.

I guess it all depends on who determines who is being a disruptive troll. Personally I detest banning, even of those who probably richly deserve it.

RidinShotgun  posted on  2007-10-08   17:55:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

angle, we could banter back and forth all day about it....and get nowhere. You are more impressed that the fella did 'something'--anything, it seems--while I'm not impressed at all that he would be willing to give up all he's worked for all his life INCLUDING his family and family life. Ed's not a spring chicken, nor is Elaine, and to think of coming out of prison and trying to start life anew at that late time isn't something most people would think was very smart.

I could have called him a whole lot worse--in fact, I typed several different words, before I erased again and settled on just plain and simple 'jerk'.

He isn't dumb in the sense of lack of intelligence. He is dumb in the sense of throwing it all away rather than realizing he can't fight the system and then compounding it with the stupid statements made on a radio program or in news outlets or whatever. He doesn't have enough $$$$$$$$ to wait out the gubmint, nor enough lawyers to make any sort of convincing case in a court of law.

Perhaps you're right........and I should have just called the old boy a gambler. AFter all, he gambled that he could do it and get away with it; he gambled he could win in court; he gambled that he could outlast them hole up in his 'hilltop fortress/compound/whatever'; he gambled that he and Elaine could just finish life all hunky dory.

About the only thing I could possibly concede in that last scenario is that all of this is a sham; that they wound up getting secret accounts overseas somewhere; and that once they serve their time in prison, they can just take off and go live there and laugh at the system on the million or two that they stuffed away.

On all other parts of the scenario, he gambled and he LOST.

rowdee  posted on  2007-10-08   18:04:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Oh, Jim.......there's no problem......I only meant that you and Chrissie are both people who can attest to how much I *puke* 'love' the bastard in chief. Hell, I've even banned myself for language used as it regards him.

It just struck me funny that angle would even bring up the liar in chief and vice liar in chief as though I have in any life said anything good or positive about those two...as though somehow I was for 'them' and again the Browns.

rowdee  posted on  2007-10-08   18:08:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

My god, so was Paul freakin Revere's.

.. his ride was prior to the battles of Concord and Lexington.. and the colonists were ready to fight.. so.. quite a bit different

Zipporah  posted on  2007-10-08   18:30:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I think it's easily apparent that Ed Brown was, for all intents and purposes, advocating a violent revolution, and that revolutions are either construed as valiant or stupid, depending solely on whether they're successful or not.

Since it's apparent that Ed Brown will not succeed (some political figures have risen again after prison), he'll get the stupid label regardless of whether he was brave or not.

Wars are hell and always have been.

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Pinguinite  posted on  2007-10-08   18:56:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The law isn't there to Cherry pick

Then what are the volumes upon volumes of revised statutes doing in all the law libraries? I'd say cherry picking the law is somebody's favorite passtime. And then there's precedent setting, which knows no cherry picking bounds.

RidinShotgun  posted on  2007-10-08   19:00:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I think it's easily apparent that Ed Brown was, for all intents and purposes, advocating a violent revolution,

That's possible, but he isn't in jail for advocating revolution. Well, at least not yet. He's there for refusing to pay the piper.

The only political figure I can think of who took on the IRS was Rep. George Hanson and believe me, he barely survived their loving attention, much less rose again. Oh, and then there's Traficant, still languishing behind bars for telling it like it is. So who rose from the ashes?

RidinShotgun  posted on  2007-10-08   19:08:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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