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Title: Are Ed and Elaine Brown Dead?
Source: Keene Free Press
URL Source: http://www.keenefreepress.com/mambo ... ent&task=view&id=630&Itemid=36
Published: Oct 6, 2007
Author: Kat Kanning
Post Date: 2007-10-07 12:39:01 by JiminyC
Keywords: None
Views: 3224
Comments: 258

Are Ed and Elaine Brown dead? We don't know - the government won't tell where they are, so we cannot verify their condition. If Ed and Elaine had been hurt during their arrest, it would be in the government's interest to withhold this information, since they obviously fear a violent reaction to the arrest from Brown supporters. Until the government chooses to divulge information on the Brown's whereabouts, we will be unable to verify their condition and will have to assume the worst.

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The longer this continues, the more I worry about Mr.Brown's well-being.

Join the Ron Paul Revolution

Lod  posted on  2007-10-09   14:13:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

noone222, Pinguinite and the rest

On the "To" line, a comma is needed after the last name if you ping like that or system assumes "Pinguinite and the rest ..." is one big name. It didn't register for me. Just fyi...

Thanks for the update.

Pinguinite.com EcuadorTreasures.ec

Pinguinite  posted on  2007-10-09   14:20:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Who are the Browns?

exdem2000  posted on  2007-10-09   14:43:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Who are the Browns?

Exactly. With the suspension of habeas corpus, "don't ask, don't tell" applies to citizens who are disappeared by the government.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-10-09   15:03:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thanks. Please keep me pinged.

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JiminyC  posted on  2007-10-09   15:15:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Who are the Browns?

The exact question I was asked by a "progressive" acquaintance when I mentioned them today.

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JiminyC  posted on  2007-10-09   15:16:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

here's the closet thing to Jesus in recent times

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Paul Revere  posted on  2007-10-09   15:38:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't have video...coming from you, it's probably blasphemous anyway.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-10-09   16:54:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

www.prisonplanet.com/arti...007/091007_armed_feds.htm

Armed Feds Question Bloggers In Brown Case

Manhunt ensues as Marshals search for alleged "hit list"

EXCERPT Hampton questioned the Feds on why they chose to visit the home of a blogger who has never advocated violence in light of a new report criticizing marshals for their failure to protect federal judges and investigate genuine threats of violence against them. END

angle  posted on  2007-10-09   21:02:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

ladyliberty.wordpress.com...ited-guests-from-the-gov/

Blog author receives uninvited guests from the gov

EXCERPT: "Satire became reality Friday afternoon when half a dozen armed federal agents wearing body armor showed up at this author’s home and detained everyone in the house for nearly 90 minutes to determine who might pose a threat to the government." END

angle  posted on  2007-10-09   21:11:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Atheism is the religion of the spiritually blind. Don't be too harsh, Paul's Handicapped !!!!!

"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins

noone222  posted on  2007-10-09   21:15:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hampton questioned the Feds on why they chose to visit the home of a blogger who has never advocated violence in light of a new report criticizing marshals for their failure to protect federal judges and investigate genuine threats of violence against them.

this is NUTS and sure does not bode well for Ed.

christine  posted on  2007-10-09   22:01:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He laid it on the line though, didn't he? Maybe Ed wasn't too bright about the reality of a possible revolution. Nonetheless, he made a stand. More than 99.99% of the rest of the Umercun peepl.

.. as I said.. I think he was foolish .. and I still do.. if he believed that his 'stand' was going to do anything other than cause him a world of trouble .. if he believed it would do otherwise for he and his family..he was sorely mistaken obviously.

Zipporah  posted on  2007-10-09   22:16:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I think he was foolish .. and I still do.. if he believed that his 'stand' was going to do anything other than cause him a world of trouble .. if he believed it would do otherwise for he and his family

Well then, perhaps we should all just sit on our asses while having this country stolen out from underneath those same asses rather than risk being foolish. I'm saying the guy deserves some credit for making a stand against tyranny, more than most here can claim.

If Paul Revere was shot to death before he put out the word, perhaps you would consider him foolish as well.

angle  posted on  2007-10-10   7:58:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Atheism is the religion of the spiritually blind. Don't be too harsh, Paul's Handicapped !!!!!

No, Sparky. You and your blind buddy are the guys spoken of in the Bible - the blind who lead the blind and they both fall in the ditch.

You are very typical, however, of your brand of "Christian." You're all about your ancient stories and transformed pagan rituals. You worship your own ignorance and idiocy, and call it God's will. You're really no different than the Taliban and the retards who follow them.

You're everything Jesus preached against, the antithesis of his views and teachings.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-10-10   8:40:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Imagine there's no heaven ....

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-10-10   8:41:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

...for you :)

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-10-10   22:04:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thank you...I didn't see this yesterday.

It has been rumored that some militant supporters of the Browns have threatened revenge attacks. We would like to remind those people that their actions are completely abhorrent and will only bring untold misery to legitimate peaceful supporters of the Browns who are highlighting the case as part of a process of educating the public about the IRS and the illegal income tax.

I wouldn't be surprised if federal agents provocateur are planning to do just that....bring untold misery...

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-10-10   22:14:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I wouldn't be terribly surprised if the threats of revenge attacks were MADE by agents provocateur.

RidinShotgun  posted on  2007-10-10   22:18:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

good point.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-10-10   22:24:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

http://ladyliberty.wordpress.com...ited-guests-from-the-gov/

Blog author receives uninvited guests from the gov

I'm reading this one now. Did you catch this comment???

"...I am not too surprised that your friend received that visit from the D.O.P. I have never been visited, but when I still blogged over at Daily Kos, My diaries were shut down for sedition by the Government. They were in no way close to seditious. They just spoke out about the corrupt Bush administration, and called to bring it down......

americanbadass607 said this on October 9, 2007 at 6:18 am"

Now I REALLY wonder where BTP Holdings is....what with him being very vocal about needing more rope for the fascist creeps.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-10-10   22:32:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

.. as I said.. I think he was foolish .. and I still do.. if he believed that his 'stand' was going to do anything other than cause him a world of trouble .. if he believed it would do otherwise for he and his family..he was sorely mistaken obviously.

Hindsight is usually 20/20 ...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montan a_Freemen

There are worse things than prison or even death. Once we become convinced that cowering to dictatorial authority is tolerable we are slaves, our lives have little value, and men become pussies kissing the asses of jailor retards and political thugs. [As for me, give me liberty or give me death ... Patrick Henry] If not for a few men unable to live on their knees, we wouldn't have enjoyed the temporary luxury of freedom we today see disintegrating rapidly.

It's understandable that a woman might feel like you do Zip, but not a man.

"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins

noone222  posted on  2007-10-11   5:11:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

No, Sparky. You and your blind buddy are the guys spoken of in the Bible - the blind who lead the blind and they both fall in the ditch.

You're everything Jesus preached against, the antithesis of his views and teachings.

Up to this point I have refrained from religious or scriptural rebuttal to your irrational atheistic ranting in an effort to keep the discourse more secular, where you might stand a chance. I'm "not" a lawyer. (And you probably aren't either).

Since you introduced the statement above I'll address it.

Luke 11:46 ... And he said, Woe unto you also, [ye] lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers

Luke 11:52 ... Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

Luke 7:30 ... But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves,

Whether one actually believes the verses quoted above isn't the relevant point, the relevant point is that you (if you are actually a lawyer) are the antithesis of the teachings of Jesus.

Frankly, your statement prevents me from believing that anyone capable of making such a ridiculous outburst could be a lawyer unless the standards of bar exams have been dramatically reduced in an attempt to allow the mentally impaired a law degree. This could very well explain the horrible condition of the judicial system and the reason todays lawyers simply do what the judge tells them to do. Most of the lawyers I've met should be greeters at Wal-Mart if placed where their talents suit the occupation.

For your edification Mr.(self)Revered:

Seven Woes: [Specific to lawyers].

Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.

"Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long; they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them 'Rabbi.'

"But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. Nor are you to be called 'teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ. The greatest among you will be your servant. For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.

"Woe to you, blind guides! You say, 'If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.' You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? You also say, 'If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.'

You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self- indulgence. Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. And you say, 'If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.' So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!

"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.

Some might question the divinity of Christ ... few would question his accuracy in appraising lawyers.

"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins

noone222  posted on  2007-10-11   6:14:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You are completely clueless. Jesus preached against YOU. YOU'RE the guy he was talking about, but you're too stupid to realize it. YOU'RE the guy who thinks he's following THE LAW and preaching THE LAW. Jesus was not talking of civil or criminal Law. He was talking about Religious Law. The quotes you lifted are where Jesus was referring to guys LIKE YOU who worship their own devotion to religious ritual. He wasn't talking about lawyers. They didn't have lawyers. They had religious nuts like you who thought they were getting their signals from God.

Your post is a TESTAMENT to your complete lack of understanding of anything that Jesus said. You're full of phony righteousness and don't have a clue what Jesus was saying. If Jesus comes back, you'll be one of the first to get a beating from him, because you claim to represent him and you are nothing like the person he applauded. You have none of the qualities Jesus held or admired, not a single one. You're a petty, ignorant, unintelligent, knee-jerk religious person who doesn't have a spiritual bone in his whole body, unless it's the one connected to the priest or preacher who last bent you over.

You ARE the Pharisee, dumbass.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-10-11   8:33:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You are completely clueless. Jesus preached against YOU. YOU'RE the guy he was talking about, but you're too stupid to realize it. YOU'RE the guy who thinks he's following THE LAW and preaching THE LAW, as Jesus spoke of it. He was referring to guys like you who worship their own devotion to religious ritual, not lawyers.

Your post is a TESTAMENT to your complete lack of understanding of anything that Jesus said. You're full of phony righteousness and don't have a clue what Jesus was saying. If Jesus comes back, you'll be one of the first to get a beating from him, because you claim to represent him and you are nothing like the person he applauded. You have none of the qualities Jesus held or admired, not a single one. You're a petty, ignorant, unintelligent, knee-jerk religion person who doesn't have spiritual bone in his whole body, unless it's the one connected to the priest or preacher who last bent you over.

You ARE the Pharisee, dumbass.

Calm yourself, you're appearing frazzled.

"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins

noone222  posted on  2007-10-11   8:40:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm appearing frazzled, Church Lady? You're the guy pulling verses out of his ass, verses you don't even understand.

You'd better pray for forgiveness, and ask me to forgive you for your sins. If you die in your current sinful state, it's straight to hell for you.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-10-11   8:42:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It's understandable that a woman might feel like you do Zip, but not a man.

Wrong. Only a man who has never had be a man could agree with your lame notions of manhood. Have you ever served in the military? I'm guessing not. You strike me as a lifelong coward, like Bush, and equally devoted to religiosity and false pride.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-10-11   8:48:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Only a man who has never had be a man could agree with your lame notions of manhood. Have you ever served in the military? I'm guessing not. You strike me as a lifelong coward, like Bush, and equally devoted to religiosity and false pride.

You really have your panties in a wad this morning. Try to relax, snookums. I served in Vietnam, 37ARRS [Air Rescue and Recovery Squadron - Da Nang].

You can't seem to get anything right, for such an intellectual.

"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins

noone222  posted on  2007-10-11   11:28:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Sure you did. I don't believe you. You strike me as a guy who lies a lot, and you strike me as a coward.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-10-11   11:36:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You strike me as a guy who lies a lot, and you strike me as a coward.

Coming from someone claiming to be a lawyer, I must object to this latest knee jerk comment, not because you wouldn't recognize a liar, but as you most assuredly know ... it takes one to know one ... and you're a professional liar by your own admission ... ugh, if you weren't telling another lie.

"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins

noone222  posted on  2007-10-11   11:43:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'll pray for you, that your heart and mind will open, and that you will understand the error of your ways, and confess your sins, and repent before it is too late.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-10-13   8:51:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'll pray for you, that your heart and mind will open, and that you will understand the error of your ways, and confess your sins, and repent before it is too late.

OK, you win. I repent that I improperly referred to you as a lawyer ... I should have been more accurate and used the proper terminology ... PETTIFOGGER better describes you. And I am truly sorry for that !

pet·ti·fog·ger (pt'-fOg'Yr, -fô'gYr) Pronunciation Key n. A petty, quibbling, unscrupulous lawyer. One who quibbles over trivia.

"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins

noone222  posted on  2007-10-13   10:16:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You'd better pray for forgiveness, and ask me to forgive you for your sins.

Gee Paul you are a bit high-minded aren't you. Now you think you are God.

And that coming from someone that earlier in the thread stated "I don't believe the Bible is anything more than a collection of stories, legends, half truths, and dogma." Of course, that sentence was immediately followed by "Christianity and what it has "accomplished" through group think is more vile than the income tax." And further down the thread you stated "Jesus was a myth. Sorry."

Why is it that so many assume and automatically classify anyone that studies Scripture as a Christian? Having said that, I would agree (at least to some extent - and it should probably be furthered by stating ALL "organized religions") with you concerning the "vileness" of organized religion. (Tough call - the "income tax" and especially the "enforcers" of it are pretty damned vile.) Has the thought ever crossed your mind that there might be people out there that study and believe Scripture that aren't part of some "organized religion"?

Actually, I don't understand why you or anyone would think Jesus was a "myth" or that the Bible is nothing but a collection of stories, legends, half truths, and dogma. What discredits any of the authors of any books of the Bible to the point of labeling them inaccurate (at best)? In fact, there are MANY instances of prophesies (or predictions if you prefer) which came to pass later on - in some cases hundreds of years later - and can be proven historically. Just for one example, Isaiah prophesied about Cyrus (even correctly naming him) and events which would happen under his rule some 150 years prior to the birth of Cyrus the Great, the King of Persia. Coincidence??? There have been numerous archaeological finds which support many things spoken of in Scripture. And in fact, for the scrupulous, you can see these prophesies playing out STILL TODAY - over 2000 years after they were written. I honestly can't say I have ever heard of many other "authors" which can make such a claim (Nostradamus is the only one that comes to mind at all that may qualify).

In your eyes they may have been nothing but a bunch of "goatherders" whose writings were mere fables, and you're certainly entitled to that opinion - but remember, it's just that - an opinion. There's no sense in bashing somebody for not sharing that opinion. If it was an issue brought before a court you could not advance any evidence which would back up that opinion. Any lawyer worth a grain of salt would know that too.

99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name.
Steven Wright

innieway  posted on  2007-10-13   23:33:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The courts recognize the fact that no taxpayer is obliged to arrange his/her affairs so as to maximize the tax the government receives. Individuals and businesses are entitled to take all lawful steps to minimize their taxes.

A taxpayer may lawfully arrange his/her affairs to minimize taxes by such steps as deferring income from one year to the next.

For the most part this assessment is correct. But there are 2 issues which should be addressed.

(1) Where do NONtaxpayers fit in? You ARE aware that there is a LEGAL status of NONtaxpayer aren't you? They are not tax evaders, nor tax protesters, just NONtaxpayers that are under no legal obligation to file or pay.

(2) While it may be said that individuals are entitled to take all lawful steps to minimize their taxes (and they certainly can), individuals are something which aren't recognized by the tax code. A person is... For some informative reading on the subject see this. Chances are, you are NOT an "individual", at least not according to the supreme court ruling in Hale vs Henkel...

99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name.
Steven Wright

innieway  posted on  2007-10-13   23:52:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Forgive him, Father. He knows not what he says.

More Biblical nonsense from another person who takes their direction from myths and fables. You might as well build religion around the story of Chicken Little, since THE SKY IS FALLING is the major building block of your spiritual beliefs.

I believe in God. I just don't believe the ridiculous stories people like you hover over, as if they were true. Wake up and smell the fiction.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-10-14   8:59:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I believe in God.

So does Satan.

I just don't believe the ridiculous stories people like you hover over, as if they were true.

What ridiculous story was that? Cyrus? Cyrus certainly existed, he was the King of Persia - that's easy enough to verify. That Isaiah had written of Cyrus 150 years PRIOR to Cyrus' birth? That is also easy enough to verify.

More Biblical nonsense from another person who takes their direction from myths and fables.

Again, I believe I stated that I'm NOT a member of any organized religion, and agreed with you concerning what they are good for. And again, I ask you to provide EVIDENCE that Scripture is but "myths and fables".

You also said to others further up the thread " You don't have the intelligence or knowledge for a decent conversation. Also, you lack reading comprehension." And I'm talking to people who understand words and sentences when they read them."
Apparently, you don't have the intelligence or knowledge for a decent conversation. Also, you lack reading comprehension. I like talking to people who understand words and sentences when they read them.

99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name.
Steven Wright

innieway  posted on  2007-10-14   9:42:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

All dumb conclusions on your part. Arguing with a person like you is a waste of my time. I have nothing to prove to you, and given your lack of comprehension skills, it would be a monumental waste of my time to attempt to prove anything to you.

I post to give my opinion, not to satisfy your need to feel like you could have been a lawyer if only you'd had the time, inclination, brains, reading skills, and dedication.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-10-14   10:51:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

All dumb conclusions on your part.

Conclusions? That history shows Cyrus the Great was King of Persia is a "dumb conclusion"? That he was named in Scripture in the book of Isaiah is a "dumb conclusion"?

I have nothing to prove to you

No, you certainly don't. And on the topic for which I asked for evidence supporting your opinions, you CAN'T prove anything.

I post to give my opinion, not to satisfy your need to feel like you could have been a lawyer if only you'd had the time, inclination, brains, reading skills, and dedication.

What makes you think I would WANT or "feel a need" to prove that I could have been a lawyer? That's a dumb conclusion on your part.

99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name.
Steven Wright

innieway  posted on  2007-10-14   14:25:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Awwwwwww. Won't the big bad lawyer give you any respect, shorty?

I don't get drawn into silly discussions with people who think they know how to argue, but don't. Now go chase your tail some more, like a good little 5 pound dog, barking loudly the whole time.

Here's a prophecy for you. You'll continue thinking you get direction from the Old Testament, and you'll continue spouting such nonsense because you don't know the difference between your imagination and history.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-10-14   17:43:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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