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Title: Inappropriate Civility
Source: email
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Published: Oct 9, 2007
Author: Larken Rose
Post Date: 2007-10-09 10:06:47 by christine
Keywords: None
Views: 159
Comments: 7

Dear Subscriber,

People often lament the lack of "civil discourse" when it comes to political matters, and suggest that we should all just "agree to disagree," and respect each other's opinions.

For most topics of discussion, I would whole-heartedly agree. For example, people ought to be able to disagree on who the best NFL quarterback is without getting into fist-fights, or debate the zoological classification of the panda bear without having a shootout.

However, there are actually times when "civility" is a BAD thing. For example, if someone said to you, "In my humble opinion, your family should be murdered," would you merely "agree to disagree"? Perhaps, if he was only opining what he thought SHOULD happen, you could just politely ignore him. But if he actually advocated your family's extermination, and set about trying to make it happen, should you deal with him "civilly"? Hell, no. When he decided to advocate the initiation of violence, HE ended any hope of civility.

And so it is with almost ALL modern political discussions. For example, almost everyone in the country advocates that I be forcibly robbed to pay for things THEY want. (The Democrats and Republicans differ somewhat on WHICH things they want my stolen money to fund, but they are completely in agreement that I should be coerced into funding things that I don't want to fund.) While that's not as bad as advocating the murder of my family, it's still pretty darn bad. To treat their "opinion" civilly is to give it a level of respect that it doesn't deserve, which is an indirect way of CONDONING the evil they suggest.

Their "opinion" is not equally valid. It doesn't deserve respect. Their "opinion" is the advocacy of VIOLENCE, and to treat it as anything else is an affront to justice. I'm constantly amazed how many people suggest that I should be robbed, controlled, extorted, harassed, insulted, and possibly imprisoned or killed, only to then get offended when I call them NAMES (like "fascist"). So I'll make this offer to everyone: if you don't advocate the initiation of violence against me (and against lots of other people), I won't call you a fascist, or a statist, or a collectivist, or a Nazi. (In other words, if you stop BEING those things, I'll stop CALLING you those things.)

Amazingly, people treat "political" opinions as if they are of no more consequence than a personal preference: whether you prefer chocolate or vanilla, or whether you prefer classic music to rock. But a "political" opinion, by definition, is about what VIOLENCE you believe "government" should use against everyone, including me. Don't advocate my enslavement or oppression, and then get offended if I call you names as a result.

Again, it would be an insult to justice NOT to react with condemnation and castigation to those who advocate unjustified violence. (Would you tell a Nazi who is advocating mass murder, "Well, your opinion is equally valid"?) I have no intention of letting anyone feel like it's OKAY for him to hold the "opinion" that innocent people should be terrorized, robbed and harassed. But since pro-tyranny, anti-freedom sentiments are so popular these days, people get shocked when I verbally "attack" them for holding such views.

Well, get used to it. I believe that anyone who actually values freedom OUGHT to condemn evil, no matter how popular or mainstream the evil may be. The only other option is to treat anti-human, unjust, pro-violence, statist tripe as if it's an okay view to hold. It's not.

So before you whine about the lack of civility in my messages, check to see if the ones I'm being "uncivil" to are advocating my forced enslavement. If so, I couldn't care less if I offend them.

Sincerely,

Larken Rose http://www.larkenrose.com

(P.S. Just for fun, I did a web search for "inappropriate civility," and sure enough, it appears nowhere. I'm proud to be the first.)

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#1. To: christine (#0)

I believe that anyone who actually values freedom OUGHT to condemn evil, no matter how popular or mainstream the evil may be.

Absolutely!

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robin  posted on  2007-10-09   10:10:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: christine (#0)

i am of the opinion that free speech cannot include protection for the speech of those who seek to destroy it.

Gypsy woman said to me, one thing you must bear in your mind:
You are young and you are free, but damned if youre deceased in your own lifetime.

The Core, Eric Clapton

gengis gandhi  posted on  2007-10-09   10:13:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: christine (#0)

"inappropriate civility,"

I disagree.

I post here often the words of Winston Churchill concerning civility, " It costs me nothing to be civil to a man, even tho I intend to hang him the next day".

Joining the legions of vulgarians means only, "A vulgarian I am also".

Cynicom  posted on  2007-10-09   10:18:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Cynicom (#3)

Christ was not polite to the money changers in the temple.

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robin  posted on  2007-10-09   10:23:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Cynicom (#3)

Joining the legions of vulgarians means only, "A vulgarian I am also".

that's a good point.

i don't think Larken is speaking of vulgarity. to me, his definition of inappropriate civility more closely matches Van Dyke's 'Righteous Wrath'.

Henry Van Dyke (1852-1933)
                            Righteous Wrath

There are many kinds of hatred, as many kinds of fire; And some are fierce and fatal with murderous desire; And some are mean and craven, revengeful, sullen, slow, They hurt the man that holds them more than they hurt his foe.

And yet there is a hatred that purifies the heart: The anger of the better against the baser part, Against the false and wicked, against the tyrant's sword, Against the enemies of love, and all that hate the Lord.

O cleansing indignation, O flame of righteous wrath, Give me a soul to feel thee and follow in thy path! Save me from selfish virtue, arm me for fearless fight, And give me strength to carry on, a soldier of the Right!

christine  posted on  2007-10-09   10:30:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: christine, robin (#5)

i don't think Larken is speaking of vulgarity.

Definition of vulgarian when used as a noun...

Noun 1. vulgarian.... a disagreeable person, unpleasant person - a person who is not pleasant or agreeable

Cynicom  posted on  2007-10-09   19:31:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Cynicom (#6)

Definition of vulgarian when used as a noun...

So nice to have our professor back. Am looking forward to much more knowledge from you, though.

Phant2000  posted on  2007-10-09   22:31:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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