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Title: Sliming Graeme Frost (PAUL KRUGMAN)
Source: New York Times
URL Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/12/o ... 2194988-GSI7/QzB8NsCoV1X4paBsQ
Published: Oct 12, 2007
Author: PAUL KRUGMAN
Post Date: 2007-10-12 09:21:56 by aristeides
Keywords: None
Views: 933
Comments: 38

Sliming Graeme Frost

By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: October 12, 2007

Two weeks ago, the Democratic response to President Bush’s weekly radio address was delivered by a 12-year-old, Graeme Frost. Graeme, who along with his sister received severe brain injuries in a 2004 car crash and continues to need physical therapy, is a beneficiary of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program. Mr. Bush has vetoed a bipartisan bill that would have expanded that program to cover millions of children who would otherwise have been uninsured.

What followed should serve as a teaching moment.

First, some background. The Frosts and their four children are exactly the kind of people S-chip was intended to help: working Americans who can’t afford private health insurance.

The parents have a combined income of about $45,000, and don’t receive health insurance from employers. When they looked into buying insurance on their own before the accident, they found that it would cost $1,200 a month — a prohibitive sum given their income. After the accident, when their children needed expensive care, they couldn’t get insurance at any price.

Fortunately, they received help from Maryland’s S-chip program. The state has relatively restrictive rules for eligibility: children must come from a family with an income under 200 percent of the poverty line. For families with four children that’s $55,220, so the Frosts clearly qualified.

Graeme Frost, then, is exactly the kind of child the program is intended to help. But that didn’t stop the right from mounting an all-out smear campaign against him and his family.

Soon after the radio address, right-wing bloggers began insisting that the Frosts must be affluent because Graeme and his sister attend private schools (they’re on scholarship), because they have a house in a neighborhood where some houses are now expensive (the Frosts bought their house for $55,000 in 1990 when the neighborhood was rundown and considered dangerous) and because Mr. Frost owns a business (it was dissolved in 1999).

You might be tempted to say that bloggers make unfounded accusations all the time. But we’re not talking about some obscure fringe. The charge was led by Michelle Malkin, who according to Technorati has the most-trafficked right-wing blog on the Internet, and in addition to blogging has a nationally syndicated column, writes for National Review and is a frequent guest on Fox News.

The attack on Graeme’s family was also quickly picked up by Rush Limbaugh, who is so important a player in the right-wing universe that he has had multiple exclusive interviews with Vice President Dick Cheney.

And G.O.P. politicians were eager to join in the smear. The New York Times reported that Republicans in Congress “were gearing up to use Graeme as evidence that Democrats have overexpanded the health program to include families wealthy enough to afford private insurance” but had “backed off” as the case fell apart.

In fact, however, Republicans had already made their first move: an e-mail message from the office of Mitch McConnell, the Senate minority leader, sent to reporters and obtained by the Web site Think Progress, repeated the smears against the Frosts and asked: “Could the Dems really have done that bad of a job vetting this family?”

And the attempt to spin the media worked, to some extent: despite reporting that has thoroughly debunked the smears, a CNN report yesterday suggested that the Democrats had made “a tactical error in holding up Graeme as their poster child,” and closely echoed the language of the e-mail from Mr. McConnell’s office.

All in all, the Graeme Frost case is a perfect illustration of the modern right-wing political machine at work, and in particular its routine reliance on character assassination in place of honest debate. If service members oppose a Republican war, they’re “phony soldiers”; if Michael J. Fox opposes Bush policy on stem cells, he’s faking his Parkinson’s symptoms; if an injured 12-year-old child makes the case for a government health insurance program, he’s a fraud.

Meanwhile, leading conservative politicians, far from trying to distance themselves from these smears, rush to embrace them. And some people in the news media are still willing to be used as patsies.

Politics aside, the Graeme Frost case demonstrates the true depth of the health care crisis: every other advanced country has universal health insurance, but in America, insurance is now out of reach for many hard-working families, even if they have incomes some might call middle-class.

And there’s one more point that should not be forgotten: ultimately, this isn’t about the Frost parents. It’s about Graeme Frost and his sister.

I don’t know about you, but I think American children who need medical care should get it, period. Even if you think adults have made bad choices — a baseless smear in the case of the Frosts, but put that on one side — only a truly vicious political movement would respond by punishing their injured children.

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#1. To: All (#0)

In fact, however, Republicans had already made their first move: an e-mail message from the office of Mitch McConnell, the Senate minority leader, sent to reporters and obtained by the Web site Think Progress, repeated the smears against the Frosts and asked: “Could the Dems really have done that bad of a job vetting this family?”

Could the Republicans have done a worse job of vetting the story they sent out to the media?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-10-12   9:22:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: aristeides (#0)

I think American children who need medical care should get it, period

Instead of all of our countrymen getting quality healthcare, this government is debasing our currency and giving it to the corporations, especially defense and oil. War is the pretext for this transfer of wealth.

angle  posted on  2007-10-12   9:26:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: aristeides (#1)

How many of them are going to read Paul Krugman and agree that they have been deceived?

Very few.

They all still believe Dan Rather made up a bunch of stuff in 2004 about the Chimp's cowardice and dereliction of duty even to the "Champagne Squadron" of the Texas Air National Guard during Vietnam, even though it was and is ALL true. The only thing ever questioned was the authenticity of some documents.

We have around one-third of the U.S. population who live in an alternate reality and there is really no way to reach them with facts.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2007-10-12   9:28:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: aristeides (#0)

every other advanced country has universal health insurance, but in America, insurance is now out of reach for many hard-working families, even if they have incomes some might call middle-class.

Government programs have to be based on NEED not "entitled".

At the top medicare is breaking this country financially. Paying for the flu shots for those with assets of millions is beyond reason and is just a fraction of giveaways. Having earned, paid for and entitled to becomes meaningless when this country is wallowing in ten trillion dollar debt.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-10-12   9:35:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Cynicom (#4)

The merits of the issue no doubt can be debated.

But it's the trashing of the Frost family that outrages me.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-10-12   9:36:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Cynicom (#4)

However, given how much cheaper government-run and financed medical systems are in Canada and Europe than our own, I'm not sure we can't afford socialized medicine.

I'm not sure that the truth is not that we cannot afford our private system of medicine any longer.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-10-12   9:38:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: aristeides, scrapper2 (#0)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-10-12   9:38:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: aristeides (#6)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-10-12   9:40:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: aristeides (#5)

But it's the trashing of the Frost family that outrages me.

We all know full well that politics is a dirty business..

In this case a family was "used" by one group and "misused" by another. NEITHER group gives one good damn about the child or the family as they are "nobodies" that will be cast aside and forgotten next week.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-10-12   9:44:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Cynicom (#9)

ONE group slimed a child and his family.

Please remind me of the last time the Democrats did that. Frankly, I can't remember an instance.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-10-12   9:47:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: aristeides (#6)

I'm not sure that the truth is not that we cannot afford our private system of medicine any longer.

We need to look at what will be the final destination of health care.

As in every facet of human life, health care will be two tiered, one for the haves, one for the have nots. How good the care for the have nots is the only factor that is in doubt, whether good, bad or indifferent is the unknown.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-10-12   9:53:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: aristeides (#10)

ONE group slimed a child and his family.

BOTH groups are using the family. Neither give a damn.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-10-12   9:54:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Cynicom (#11) (Edited)

The health care in France is said to be the best in the world. Average French people seem satisfied with it.

We've had a poster from Canada post here that the same is true of Canada, and a spokesman for GM Canada issued a statement that confirms this.

I lived in England for two years. I had no complaints about the medical service I got from National Health while I was there.

All these countries have longer life expectancies than ours, and their systems cost considerably less.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-10-12   9:56:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Cynicom (#12)

Please remind me of the last time the Democrats have slimed a child and his family like this.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-10-12   9:57:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: aristeides (#14)

Please remind me of the last time the Democrats have slimed a child and his family like this.

Party has NOTHING to do with this issue, it is "politics".

Attempting to portray any party as being morally superior when politics is the game is totally meaningless.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-10-12   10:01:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: aristeides (#0)

In fact, however, Republicans had already made their first move: an e-mail message from the office of Mitch McConnell, the Senate minority leader, sent to reporters and obtained by the Web site Think Progress

EXCLUSIVE: E-mail Reveals That McConnell Staffer Propagated Smear Campaign Against Graeme Frost
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robin  posted on  2007-10-12   10:03:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Cynicom (#15)

Are you admitting that you too can't think of a time when the Democrats did this?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-10-12   10:03:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: ghostdogtxn, All (#7)

In this piece Krugman seems to be doing the old treading in water routine, madly trying to keep his head up so he doesn't go under...glub, glub...too many juicy examples of back tracking and coveringhisass and I don't want to bore aristeides [my new marching orders] but here are a few items of under statement/double entendre that had me chuckle or wince:

"Even if you think adults have made bad choices —"[ riggghhht- like not buying catastrophic health insurance for your family in 2003 and not including a health benefit rider in your auto insurance plan and pushing your kid into the lime light to be used as a Dem Party pawn...do you mean those bad choices, Paul??]

"Politics aside, the Graeme Frost case demonstrates the true depth of the health care crisis" [ no kidding...middle class parents grifting $ from a fund meant for poor children, how bad is that?...]

"And there’s one more point that should not be forgotten: ultimately, this isn’t about the Frost parents. It’s about Graeme Frost and his sister." [ what nonsense - it is about the parents as well as the kids - these kids should have been properly protected against catastrophic events by the 2 adults in the family who had the means to do so and chose not to because they had other "priorities" - these parents were negligent - why should ordinary taxpayers suddenly be drafted into being the Mommys and Daddys of America's children? Is that what Krugman is suggesting? Bull crap! I don't know about the rest of you but I have enough on my plate and pay enough taxes to care for the elderly the poor the poor's children without taking on the cost of providing health care to children of middle class and upper class parents who can damn well afford to look after their own children. If Krugman wants to play Mother Theresa to everybody's offspring, then he should do so, but I don't want that mission in life. America is not a kibbutz,Paul,or at least not yet.]

scrapper2  posted on  2007-10-12   11:34:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: aristeides, Cynicom (#17)

Are you admitting that you too can't think of a time when the Democrats did this?

Uh, does slimey behavior towards children mean using a child as a pawn to promote a political message?

scrapper2  posted on  2007-10-12   11:36:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: scrapper2 (#19)

Paul Krugman has a terrific column--reinforcing Karen's Swamp outrage the past few days--about the Republican propaganda campaign to discredit a child. Krugman's larger point is that this is business as usual for the latter-day Republican Party and also for much of the mainstream media. (Did CNN really buy the GOP disinformation? If so, shame on them.) My hope is that the stakes are high enough, and public interest will be intense enough in 2008 to undermine the effectiveness of slime campaigns. In the past--Willie Horton, impeachment, Bush's anti-McCain slime in 2000, the Swift Boats in 2004--I've tried to respond rapidly to this sort of stuff. I've got to say, though, the Graeme Frost campaign is about the lowest and skuzziest I've seen so far.

Even as mainstream a writer as Joe Klein agrees with me, not you.

I wonder when you'll see that you've lost, and give it up.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-10-12   11:42:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: aristeides, ghostdogtxn, Cynicom (#13)

We've had a poster from Canada post here that the same is true of Canada, and a spokesman for GM Canada issued a statement that confirms this.

I lived in England for two years. I had no complaints about the medical service I got from National Health while I was there.

a. Canadians' satisfaction with socialized medical care services...hmm..evidently wudditz's single opinion to which you refer is not the final word on the matter:

www.thestar.com/News/O ntario/article/253664

"Patients suing province over wait times" 09/06/07

Some cut and paste:

Two Ontario patients who had brain tumours removed in the United States because they say they couldn't get quick treatment here are suing the provincial government over what they claim are unjustly long wait times for medical care.

Lindsay McCreith, 66, of Newmarket and Shona Holmes, 43, of Waterdown filed a joint statement of claim yesterday against the province of Ontario. Both say their health suffered because they are denied the right to access care outside of Ontario's "government-run monopolistic" health-care system. They want to be able to buy private health insurance.

Ontario's "monopoly" over essential health services and its delay in providing the services have left both patients to "endure significant financial, emotional and physical hardship to access such services in the United States," states the claim .

2. As for your satisfaction with the UK's system when you lived there for 2 years how many years ago and how often did you use the UK system while you were there - for anything more than a broken toe and flu shots?

I'd suggest to you that the UK's system is in great financial difficulty and can't even serve children properly, a group you seem to have taken a great interest in as of late:

news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1287911,00.html

"Britain's Baby Units 'On Brink Of Collapse'" 10/11/07

Some cut and paste:

Special care baby units in Britain are "near breaking point", with some babies being turned away because they cannot ensure adequate care, a charity has warned. Bliss said a lack of funding had also left some units struggling to meet minimum staffing levels.

A spokesman said: "All the evidence points to a neonatal service that is on the brink of collapse."

The report found many neonatal units were forced to refuse new admissions for considerable periods of time because of staff shortages.

Mothers and babies may be forced to travel long distances in search of a unit with the appropriate facilities to care for them, the charity said.

Bliss's new study - Too Little Too Late - Are We Ensuring The Best Start For Babies Born Too Soon? - was based on surveys of 195 neonatal units across the UK...

3. As for France's great national health care plan and its happy customers:

www.investors.co m/editorial/editorialcontent.asp? secid=1502&status=article&id=270338135202343

"A Canadian Doctor Describes How Socialized Medicine Doesn't Work"

In France, the supply of doctors is so limited that during an August 2003 heat wave — when many doctors were on vacation and hospitals were stretched beyond capacity — 15,000 elderly citizens died.

AND

www.nydailynews.com/blogs...n_health_care_moore_got.h tml

"Canadian Health Care: Moore Got it Wrong "

Some cut and paste:

In two types of cancers:

Among women who are diagnosed with breast cancer, only one-fifth die in the United States, compared to one-third in France and Germany and almost half in the United Kingdom and New Zealand. -Health Economist Dr. John Goodman

Among men who are diagnosed with prostate cancer, less than one-fifth die in the United States, compared to one-fourth in Canada, almost half in France, and more than half in the United Kingdom." -Health Economist Dr. John Goodman

scrapper2  posted on  2007-10-12   11:56:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: aristeides (#20)

Even as mainstream a writer as Joe Klein agrees with me, not you.

I wonder when you'll see that you've lost, and give it up.

Oh my I feel wounded to the core - Joe Klein, a joynalist, agrees with you and not me. That's a shock! I'm reeling.

lalalalala

I will continue to challenge your partisan pronouncements about the Frost case as long as you promote your elitist one sided pre-packaged revisionist version of the Frosts' misadventure in the course of deciding they wanted their 15 minutes of fame.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-10-12   12:03:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: all, Sam Houston (#3)

How many of them are going to read Paul Krugman and agree that they have been deceived?

Our local radio station, WJR's Frank Beckman was spouting the 'party lies' that the Graeme Frost family had all this great wealth.

I confronted him via email and here is how the exchange went:

My first email:

I listened to your characterization of the Graeme Frost families wealth status on this mornings show and then came across this article by Karen Tumulty of Time magazine. You ought to take the time and read it and perhaps correct yourself on tomorrow show. Link to artcle: http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/ 0,8599,1670210,00.html Title: The Swift-Boating of Graeme Frost

His reply:

Thanks for the email....The Time piece misses some very important points....This family was exploited to lobby for the new SCHIP bill which would go far beyond taking care of families like the Frosts......The new bill would cover "children" up to 26 years of age in families earning up to 83,000 dollars......It would also remove coverage for some seniors, impose new taxes, and provide health coverage for illegal aliens in states like Michigan where applicants need only to show a valid drivers license and where they would be "fast laned" into the program with a minimum of validation of need.......That's the problem here, proponents of socialized medicine trying to take the next step and covering their true agenda behind the face of an unfortunate 12 year old......The question is why Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid didn't stand up and explain why they want to vastly expand a program in such a way.

Thanks

My response:

So, even if they were 'exploited' as you describe it, is it still ok to distort that facts and situation regarding this families status?

His reply:

The family chose not to buy health insurance....They allowed themselves to be exploited.....


So obviously it is pointless to discuss this anymore with this dolt. There was a time when WJR was a decent family oriented radiostation but now they strictly follow the 'hate radio' line (except on the weekends when they still have on some good handyman type callin shows).

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2007-10-12   12:04:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: scrapper2 (#22)

your elitist one sided pre-packaged revisionist version

I'm the elitist, unlike the guys supporting the Republicans' policies that divert all the wealth to the superrich?

You got that one straight out of Karl Rove's book of tricks, didn't you?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-10-12   12:07:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: aristeides (#0)

Two weeks ago, the Democratic response to President Bush’s weekly radio address was delivered by a 12-year-old, Graeme Frost. Graeme, who along with his sister received severe brain injuries in a 2004 car crash and continues to need physical therapy, is a beneficiary of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program. Mr. Bush has vetoed a bipartisan bill that would have expanded that program to cover millions of children who would otherwise have been uninsured.

Why wouldn't anyone who places America and Americans first have compassion for this kid and extend him medical benefits - at the tax payers expense. I can't think of a better collective use of money.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-10-12   12:08:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: aristeides, All (#24)

I'm the elitist, unlike the guys supporting the Republicans' policies that divert all the wealth to the superrich?

You got that one straight out of Karl Rove's book of tricks, didn't you?

Good huffing and puffing there but now you need to clean off the spittle you got on your lower lip.

And please stop with your slander that I'm a student of Karl Rove. I've been one of the most consistently vociforous critics of the GOP bought out sold out political punks as well of the doofusinchief.

It's obvious why you and robin and Mekons4 are showering me with such bile and vitriol. You are clearly miffed that I'm an independent thinker and have bucked falling into line like a good soldier and marching in your universal health care parade.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-10-12   12:17:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: scrapper2 (#18)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-10-12   12:27:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Jethro Tull (#25)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-10-12   12:28:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Brian S (#23)

According to this the FReepers think the famils isn't entitled b/c of their income, yet their applications for the program must prove their income levels through Social Security numbers or tax returns. So, who to believe? FReepers or the family?

Frost Family Draws Ire of Conservatives

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The Baltimore Sun, Maryland

Date:
October 10, 2007

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Oct. 10--When Halsey and Bonnie Frost agreed to go public with how the State Children's Health Insurance Program helped them after a car crash left two of their children comatose, the Baltimore couple expected to hear from critics of government- funded health care.

But while the Frosts were helping a bipartisan majority in Congress sell a plan to expand the program, they were not prepared for comments such as this one, posted over the weekend on the conservative Web site Redstate:

"If federal funds were required [they] could die for all I care. Let the parents get second jobs, let their state foot the bill or let them seek help from private charities. ... I would hire a team of PIs and find out exactly how much their parents made and where they spent every nickel. Then I'd do everything possible to destroy their lives with that info."

So has begun the education of the Frosts, the young family of six who volunteered to advocate for the program for moderate- income families -- the expansion has been approved by Congress but vetoed by President Bush -- and now find themselves the focus of a nasty national debate.

The onslaught began over the weekend, a week after 12-year- old Graeme Frost delivered the Democrats' weekly radio address with a plea to Bush to sign the bill. A contributor to the conservative Web site Free Republic noted Graeme's enrollment in the private Park School and the sale of a smaller rowhouse on the Frosts' block for $485,000 this year and questioned whether the family should be taking advantage of the state program.

That post was picked up by the National Review Online and other Web sites. By Monday, Rush Limbaugh was discussing the family's earnings and assets on the air, and the blogger Michelle Malkin was writing about her visit to Halsey Frost's East Baltimore warehouse and her drive past the family's Butchers Hill rowhouse. Liberal bloggers, meanwhile, were complaining that the Frosts were being "swift-boated."

"It's really frustrating," said Bonnie Frost, 41, who stated she is upset by the angry Internet posts, e-mails and telephone calls targeting the family. "The whole point of it for me was that this program helped my family, and I wanted it to help others. That's the message, and I can't believe the way the spotlight has been taken off of that."

"It's a distractive technique," said Halsey Frost, also 41. Speaking from their cluttered front room yesterday, the Frosts said they would continue to advocate for government-funded health care.

The Sun, which published articles about the Frosts when House Speaker Nancy Pelosi introduced Bonnie and 9-year-old Gemma at a news conference last month and again when Graeme delivered the radio address, also has drawn criticism from posters on conservative Web sites for not reporting the details of the family's financial circumstances more fully.

At issue is the proposal to expand the State Children's Health Insurance Program -- also known as SCHIP -- which provides coverage for 6.6 million children from families not poor enough to qualify for Medicaid. Democrats, joined by some Republicans, voted last month to expand coverage to 4 million more children at a cost of $35 billion over five years. Bush has vetoed the bill.

While the president has called for negotiations on the measure, Democrats and their allies have launched a campaign to pressure Republicans into helping to override the veto. The attempt is scheduled for next week.

The Frosts joined the debate through family acquaintance Vinnie DeMarco, the president of the Maryland Citizens' Health Initiative. DeMarco introduced them to the pro-SCHIP organization Families USA, which put them in touch with Pelosi's office.

Bonnie Frost was driving children Zeke, Graeme and Gemma in Baltimore County in December 2004 when the family SUV hit a patch of black ice and slammed into a tree. Graeme sustained a brain stem injury; Gemma suffered a cranial fracture.

The family relied on SCHIP during the more than five months that the children were hospitalized. Graeme had to learn again to walk and talk, his parents say; he remains weak on his left side and speaks with a lisp. Gemma is blind in her left eye; she has difficulty with memory, learning and speech, and sees a behavioral psychologist to help her deal with her frustration.

"Her personality has changed," Bonnie Frost said yesterday. "She's not the same girl."

Bonnie and Gemma Frost joined Pelosi at the Capitol Hill news conference before the SCHIP vote. Then Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid asked Graeme to record the radio address.

It was the news coverage of that broadcast that set off the blogo- sphere. A pseudonymous contributor to Free Republic cataloged the $20,000 cost of tuition at the Park School, the $160,000 Halsey Frost paid for his warehouse in 1999 and the $485,000 for which a neighbor sold his home in March. Links were provided to photos of the Park School's 44,000-square- foot Wyman Arts Center and the Frosts' 1992 wedding announcement in The New York Times.

Soon strangers were posting accusatory messages describing Halsey Frost as a business owner who lived on a street of half-million-dollar homes, worked out of his own commercial property and paid to send his children to private school, yet still took advantage of government-funded health care.

"Bad things happen to good people, and they cause financial problems and tough choices," Mark Steyn wrote on the National Review Online. "But, if this is the face of the 'needy' in America, then no-one is not needy."

The Redstate contributor was less civil.

"Hang 'em. Publically," the contributor wrote. "Let 'em twist in the wind and be eaten by ravens. Then maybe the bunch of socialist patsies will think twice."

The Frosts say the description of their family's circumstances now circulating is misleading. Halsey, they say, is a self-employed woodworker -- he has no employees -- while Bonnie works part time for a medical publishing firm. Together, they say, they earn between $45,000 and $50,000 a year.

That would make the Frosts eligible for Maryland's Children's Health Program, which is open to families that earn no more than 300 percent of the federal poverty level, or $82,830 a year for a family of six.

The Frosts declined to show The Sun their 2006 income tax returns, and the state Department of Health and Mental Hygiene would not confirm their enrollment in the program. But John G. Folkemer, the deputy secretary for health care financing, said yesterday that applicants must prove their income levels through Social Security numbers or tax returns to be accepted for coverage.

Folkemer said a family's assets are not considered in determining eligibility. Halsey Frost purchased the family home for $55,000 in 1990, according to city records, and refinanced in 2005, he says, to make improvements to accommodate the return of Graeme and Gemma from the hospital. The 1936 brick rowhouse, on a side street near Patterson Park, has an assessed value of $263,140.

Halsey Frost purchased a 1920 warehouse in East Baltimore for $160,000 in 1999, according to city records. It is assessed at $160,500. Frost says he is still paying off the mortgages on both properties.

The four Frost children depend on financial aid to attend private school, the Frosts say. In addition, they say, Gemma receives money from the city for special education made necessary by her injuries.

Halsey and Bonnie Frost say they still have no health insurance. Bonnie Frost said she priced coverage recently at $1,200 a month.

Malkin wrote that the Democrats' use of Graeme Frost to deliver the radio address was "poster child abuse"; Limbaugh told listeners that Democrats had "filled this kid's head with lies."

Pelosi fired back yesterday.

"I think that the attack on this family is just breaking new ground and stooping to new lows in terms of what happens in Washington, D.C.," she told reporters. "I think it's a sad statement about how bankrupt some of these people are in their arguments against SCHIP that they attack a 12-year-old."

The Frosts say they stand by their support of the State Children's Health Insurance Program.

"I'm just trying to understand this moment of nastiness," Bonnie Frost said. "The nastiness caught me by surprise."

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-10-12   12:30:18 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: ghostdogtxn (#28) (Edited)

We need the money to blow up kids in Iraq.

Yes, spending to expand the empire has no bounds, but a kids medical bills are a step too far. Just gag me.....

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-10-12   12:31:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Jethro Tull (#29)

Jethro...

The family is being used by both sides for petty partisan politics. That is a shame.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-10-12   12:33:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Cynicom (#31)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-10-12   12:43:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Cynicom (#31)

Not a new strategy Cyni as you well know, but I really would like to see a basic HC package to all Americans, regardless of income. If you can afford more one should be free to purchase whatever they like (they can't in Canada), but again, a basic package is the very least a compassionate govt. can do for it's citizens.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-10-12   12:48:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Jethro Tull, ghostdogtxn (#25)

Why wouldn't anyone who places America and Americans first have compassion for this kid and extend him medical benefits - at the tax payers expense. I can't think of a better collective use of money.

exactly

If our tax dollars are good enough to blow up and destroy millions of Iraqi families, it can sure help families like the Frosts.

Would the Republican hate machine prefer the Frosts put their injured children in govt care completely? That would cost a hell of a lot more.

Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today!

robin  posted on  2007-10-12   13:26:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: angle (#2)

Instead of all of our countrymen getting quality healthcare, this government is debasing our currency and giving it to the corporations, especially defense and oil. War is the pretext for this transfer of wealth.

Exactly.

Honi soit qui mal y pense

Mekons4  posted on  2007-10-12   17:19:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Jethro Tull (#33)

but I really would like to see a basic HC package to all Americans, regardless of income.

Jethro...

People have to divorce partisan politics from such issues.

Mud slinging, vulgar language and name calling is a turnoff and I will not debate or discuss with such people. For anyone to openly project any party view is ludicrous.

I have full confidence that the child WILL be taken care of in some fashion, whether by the parents, or State, it will be taken care of. A month from now, no one will recognize the family name. The child will have been used for partisan politics and cast aside by professional politicians.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-10-13   7:58:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Cynicom (#36)

I agree that these examples of personal tragedy are used for political purpose. IIRC, Reagan began the current examples at one of his State of the Union addresses. He ID someone in attendance to advance some political point. I know forget both the point he was trying to make and the person he used as a prop.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-10-13   8:54:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Jethro Tull (#37)

Jethro..

I speak from experience.

In the 1930s I was a crippled child. There was no such thing as insurance nor State aid, nothing. My way was paid for by a charity organization over a four year period. Thus I have some knowledge of what this family and child are enduring.

To involve the ugly face of politics into such is indeed sad.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-10-13   9:13:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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