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Title: Giuliani Names 3 More Jews As Advisers
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Jewish Telegraphic Agency
URL Source: http://www.jta.org:80/cgi-bin/iowa/breaking/104618.html
Published: Oct 12, 2007
Author: Jewish Telegraphic Agency
Post Date: 2007-10-12 14:08:11 by Brian S
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Rudy Giuliani named three more Jews to his foreign policy adviser team. Ruth Wedgwood, Michael Rubin and David Frum were among seven additional advisers named Thursday by the former New York mayor's campaign for the Republican presidential candidacy. Wedgwood, like Giuliani a former federal prosecutor, is a terrorism expert at Johns Hopkins University. Rubin, now an Iran-Iraq specialist the American Enterprise Institute, was employed at the Pentagon at the outset of the Iraq war. Frum is a former speechwriter for President Bush who helped coin the phrase "Axis of Evil." They join a staunchly neo-conservative team that includes Martin Kramer, an Israeli-American Shi'ism expert who wrote a book several years ago faulting the U.S. Middle East academic community for failing to anticipate the rise of al-Qaeda; Norman Podhoretz, a founder of the neo-conservative movement, who counsels a military strike to stop Iran from developing a nuclear program; Stephen Rosen, a Harvard University national security professor, and Peter Berkowitz, a law professor at George Mason University in Virginia.
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#1. To: Brian S, *US is Proxy State For Israel* (#0)
Wow, that's the original title.
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Ruth Wedgwood taught me international law at Yale Law School. She at least used to be a Democrat. I was shocked when she came out in support of the torture, detentions, and military commissions after 9/11. I understand she was one of Rumsfeld's advisers when he was Secretary of Defense.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Rudy Giuliani has just announced a new raft of foreign policy advisors. And I guess the premise of the campaign is now that the Bush administration wasn't sufficiently riddled by neoconservative whackjobs. Topping the list: Michael Rubin as Senior Iran and Turkey Advisor and Middle East Advisory Board Member. I really don't know how to describe Rubin for those who aren't familiar with him. He worked at Doug Feith's Office of Special Plans. But that hardly does the matter justice -- rather like saying Dick Cheney was a supporter of the Iraq War. On the TPM Scale of Pure Neoconism (TM) Rubin gets well over 99%. Like the most interesting and frightening neos, Michael is that perfect mix of extreme factual knowledge and extreme lack of judgment, prone to wild-eyed theories and fantasies of various sorts but all in the end leading inexorably toward catastrophic policy moves for the United States. You really might as well put Ahmed Chalabi as your top Mideast or Iran advisor. I posted yesterday Josh Marshall's comment on hearing about the appointment of Rubin. (Marshall is a Jew, but a liberal one.)
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Excerpt: Bernard Kerik's legal nightmare is about to get worse, with federal prosecutors expected to file charges against the former police commissioner that will likely include allegations of bribery, tax fraud and obstruction of justice, the Daily News has learned. The indictment, expected next month, could prove to be an embarrassing obstacle for Kerik's former mentor Rudy Giuliani, who is cruising at the top of the polls heading into the presidential primary gauntlet. End
EXCERPT: Rudy Giuliani, the Republican front-runner in the presidential race, is receiving policy advice and money from a billionaire investor in “vulture funds”, the activities of which have been condemned as “nothing short of scandalous” by Gordon Brown. In an early sign of the attacks that will be made against the former New York Mayor if he wins the 2008 Republican presidential nomination, Democrats are highlighting the role being played in his campaign by Paul Singer, the chairman and founder of Elliott Associates - which is worth around $8 billion. The Democratic National Committee is citing reports describing Mr Singer’s firm as operating the world’s biggest “vulture funds”, so-called because they feed on weakened economies, including those of developing countries. Mr Brown, shortly before becoming Prime Minister this year, urged rich nations including the US to stop such funds undermining his own efforts to eradicate Third World debt. “I deplore the activities of so-called vulture funds that seek to profit from debts owed by the poorest countries in the world.” END
And the difference between a democrat and a republican is????
Democrats at least pretend to pay some attention to international law. Ruth Wedgwood acted as if she did, at least when she taught that course. International law happens to prohibit torture.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
International law happens to prohibit torture. Sounds like she's back in touch with her heritage. This dual-loyalty thing has got to STOP.
Looks like he's trying to corner the market on neocons.
Honi soit qui mal y pense
You can work for the StateInc with top secret white house clearance when holding passport as citizen of another country...A. Only if you're a Jew.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition Ever get the impression that Giuliani is just the Christian front man, another George Bush????
That's exactly what he is.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition How long before they run a straight up Zionist?
Cynicom:And the difference between a democrat and a republican is???? aristeides:Democrats at least pretend to pay some attention to international law. So, ari, you're basically saying that the difference between a Demcat and a GOPer is that a Demcat is a better pretender ( dissembler???) than a GOPer when it comes to observing "some" ( ???) parts of international law? thesaurus.reference.com/b rowse/pretender Synonyms for pretender
My parents pretended to believe in Santa till I figured it out, then the game was over. Torture is real, Santa isn't. It is nice when the USPO goes along with 'letters to Santa' though. Just to keep the game going for the children.
The handbasket has landed.
That does it, from here on out I'm swearing I'll try really hard not to vote for GuiBoyArDee should he get the nomination.
" Junk is the ideal product... the ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy." - William S Burroughs
For a pretense to have a point, it has to be kept up at least some of the time. We now know the CIA tortured people throughout the Cold War. But it was not open, official policy. That kept it within limits. Also, the American people didn't know about it. So they were not complicit.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
You may be interested in this Wall Street Journal essay, from June 28, 2004, in which Dr. Wedgwood publicly condemned any use of torture or cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment by the U.S. government. She has taken consistent positions condemning any physical abuse by any government in her work on the U.N. Human Rights Committee. Her position on the detention of al Qaeda and Taliban combatants has been based on the law of armed conflict, which she taught at the U.S. Naval War College as the Stockton Professor of International Law. As for her lineage, I believe she is descended from Peter Hamer, who fought in the American Revolution. The tone of this blog in regard to Americans who have any Jewish ancestors is scurrilous and unworthy of people who claim to love freedom. Law and Torture By RUTH WEDGWOOD and R. JAMES WOOLSEY June 28, 2004; Page A10 In the wake of the Abu Ghraib scandal, it is clear that maintaining humanitarian standards for those we take prisoner is central to the good name of the United States. Interrogation methods for combatants and detainees must be framed in light of the applicable law, even in the war against al Qaeda, and a president needs to know where the red lines are. In a democratic country bounded by religious faith, there is no room for unbounded power over any human being. Yet the recently released memos delivered by the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel to the White House in January and August 2002 -- titled "Application of Treaties and Laws to al Qaeda and Taliban Detainees" and "Standards of Conduct for Interrogation" -- do not give an adequate account of the law. One cannot dismiss them as mere academic musings, for they served as the starting point for other government deliberations on appropriate standards for detention and interrogation. To be sure, there were solid and persuasive reasons to conclude that al Qaeda and the Taliban were not lawful combatants under the standards of war and were thus not entitled to the entire range of privileges under the Geneva Conventions of 1949, fitted to international wars between states. This was the decision taken by the president in February 2002. So what then is amiss? * * The answer lies in the memos' inadequate consideration of the ground-level standards that apply whenever combatants or criminals are captured, regardless of their personal legal status. We do not live in the 14th century, when an outlaw was treated like a wild beast. The president's need for wise counsel is not well served by arguments that bend and twist to avoid any legal restrictions. Most troubling is the narrow account of the ban on torture. The United States ratified the Convention Against Torture in 1994, and passed a criminal statute to bar Americans from participating in official torture anywhere in the world. The torture treaty applies even under "a state of war or a threat of war," by the plain language of its Article 2, and the United States did not object to this point. Torture is defined by this treaty as the intentional infliction of "severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental . . . on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession." Shooting someone on the battlefield in order to stop his advance is legitimate. But attacking someone with a knife during interrogation would be torture, even if the objective is solely to obtain information. Curiously, the OLC opinion bends over backwards to limit the definition of "severe pain or suffering" in a way that only Savoranola could love. In a non-Hippocratic application of hospital emergency medicine rules, the OLC explains that only "death, organ failure, or serious impairment of body functions" should serve as the measure of "severe pain." This diminished definition of the crime of torture will be quoted back at the United States for the next several decades. It could be misused by al Qaeda defendants in the military commission trials and by Saddam's henchmen. It does not serve America's interest in a world in which dictators so commonly abuse their people and quash their political opponents. The OLC memos also brush past Article 16 of the Torture Convention, which requires each state to prevent the lesser acts of "cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment" within its jurisdiction. It is true that this part of the treaty was not translated into federal criminal law. But it is still a legal commitment to which we willingly have acceded. The United States noted in a treaty reservation that this safeguard is to be measured by the Constitution's ban on cruel or unusual punishment, and extrajudicial abuse that "shocks the conscience." This is a standard we can live with, even in the war against catastrophic terrorism. We are not legally free to choose cruel techniques just because they fall short of torture. The memos also dismiss common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions -- a rock- bottom standard designed for armed conflicts "not of an international character" that occur "in the territory of one of the High Contracting Parties." This is a catch-all provision, designed for unlawful combatants who do not qualify as prisoners of war. It was a standard designed for asymmetric warfare. Insurgents do not have a protected right to make war. They do not sign humanitarian treaties. And more often than not, they fail to give quarter, killing prisoners summarily. Yet even for such blackguards, "at any time and in any place whatsoever," all are entitled to protection against "outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment," as well as "mutilation, cruel treatment and torture." These are grave breaches of the treaty and are classified as war crimes. Spurning the case law of the American-backed International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia, the Justice Department lawyers assert that Article 3 could only have been intended for the Spanish or Chinese civil wars, not a struggle for control of Afghanistan. This is a captious conclusion. and in any event, common Article 3 is taken by most law of war experts to restate the minimum standards of the customary law traditionally applicable to armed conflicts of any kind. Separation of powers was also given short shrift in the lawyers' memos. In the perennial debates between Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson over the nature of executive power, many of us do think that Hamilton gave the better account of the necessary link between foreign affairs and the Executive's capacity for quick action. The president is the commander-in-chief, and this is a broad power. But the Congress also enjoys enumerated and coordinate powers under the U.S. Constitution. Article I, Section 8 allocates to Congress the power to "make rules concerning captures on land and water" and the power "to make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces" -- as well as the crucial power to "define and punish . . . offences against the law of nations." It is thus peculiar to say that a criminal statute prohibiting acts "under the color of law" must have silently intended to exempt every executive branch employee, even for the crime of torture. Indeed, the torture treaty ratified by the United States covers only official acts -- "inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity." and it is imprudent, at the least, to suppose that Congress's intent is irrelevant -- that the president's power to conduct war is absolute, even as to war crimes. A president, to be sure, always retains the pardon power under the Constitution. He retains the power of prosecutorial discretion. But he does not have, and would not wish, the power to dismantle the law. * * * Last week, it should be noted, the Justice Department took the unprecedented step of rescinding the August 2002 foundational OLC opinion "Standards of Conduct for Interrogation." and it has pledged to review other OLC opinions dealing with the treatment and interrogation of captured combatants. This is to the good. In its review, Justice may wish to broaden the process of consultation -- adapting, if you will, Goldwater-Nichols principles to the challenge of lawyering in wartime. On issues so crucial to America's moral stature, as well as American safety, it is important that a president be informed of variant views from other responsible quarters of the State Department, the Defense Department, including the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the CIA. It is important that the president know when other countries will disagree with our views. One might even consult quietly with committees of the Congress. This is not the kind of law that is done by pure deduction from the Federalist Papers. The Office of Legal Counsel has traditionally claimed the last word, at least on constitutional law, within the Executive Branch. But even the most capable lawyers cannot countermand the president's solemn promise of humane treatment for all persons captured in war. Nor can they override the president's proclamation of June 26, 2003. President Bush declared that "the United States is committed to the world-wide elimination of torture" and called for all governments to join with America to prohibit "all acts of torture" and "prevent other cruel and unusual punishment." The words of a president should not be lightly dismissed. Ms. Wedgwood is the Edward B. Burling Professor of International Law and Diplomacy at Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies. Mr. Woolsey, director of Central Intelligence from 1993-95 and former Washington attorney, is vice president of Booz Allen Hamilton.
You're at the wrong website. Free Republic is that way. ------> Actually, it's not my place to chill your welcome here. But this is not a good start for you.
If you were just driving by, you took the wrong turn, Freakville is much more amenable to your efforts. Take the next left turn into the gutter for Freakville, have a good day.
Wedgwood and Woolsey may pay lip service to the idea that torture is bad. So does Bush, in case you haven't noticed. It doesn't seem to have stopped them from continuing to support the Bush administration and its detention policies. I'm not sure why you addressed your comment about Wedgwood's ancestry to me. Did I say anything about it?
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
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#3. To: aristeides (#2)
#4. To: Brian S (#0)
In Tehran by Summer
#5. To: Brian S, aristeides, robin, ghostdgtxn (#0)
www.nydailynews.com/news/...o_file_charges_aga-1.html
Prosecutors expected to file charges against Bernard Kerik
#6. To: All (#5)
Rudy Giuliani campaign funded by vulture funds, Democrats say
#7. To: aristeides (#2)
She at least used to be a Democrat.
#8. To: Cynicom (#7)
#9. To: aristeides (#8)
Ruth Wedgwood acted as if she did, at least when she taught that course.
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#11. To: lodwick, eoghan (#9)
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
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#13. To: Cynicom (#12)
Ever get the impression that Giuliani is just the Christian front man, another George Bush????
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#14. To: IndieTX, Cynicom, Eoghan, all (#13)
#15. To: aristeides (#8)
aristeides: She at least used to be a Democrat.
#16. To: aristeides (#8)
Democrats at least pretend to pay some attention to international law.
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#20. To: sorel, christine, Jethro Tull (#19)
#21. To: sorel (#19)
The tone of this blog in regard to Americans who have any Jewish ancestors is scurrilous and unworthy of people who claim to love freedom.
#22. To: sorel (#19)
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